Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 11:58, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Andi Gutmans wrote: I just realized that 4.2.0 is planned for the 22nd of April. ... which happens to be my birthday. Derick and I recently had a (not so serious) discussion about introducing codenames for our releases. PHP 4.1.0 was released on Derick's birthday, so it should've been ''Codename Derick'', ... :-) Codenames are cool, but using our own names is no-so-cool. We should pick a theme though, but please not Australian wildlife (we're already using that for the alltheweb.com frontend ;-). What about the cities and towns developers live in? - Stig -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
Andi Gutmans wrote: I think if I improve the ZEND_CHANGES document that should be enough documentation to get people to test drive things. What improvements are necessary? I'd like to help here. It's probably best to base this version on the 4.2.0 branch as the 4.3.0 will probably take some time to be stable due to the huge amount of streams changes. Why not make two tarballs when PHP 4.2.0 gets released? One with the Zend Engine 1, and the other with the ZendEngine2 branch of /php4 and Zend Engine 2? -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://wishlist.sebastian-bergmann.de/ -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
At 11:48 23/03/2002 +0100, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Andi Gutmans wrote: I think if I improve the ZEND_CHANGES document that should be enough documentation to get people to test drive things. What improvements are necessary? I'd like to help here. I will read over it again and get back to you. It's probably best to base this version on the 4.2.0 branch as the 4.3.0 will probably take some time to be stable due to the huge amount of streams changes. Why not make two tarballs when PHP 4.2.0 gets released? One with the Zend Engine 1, and the other with the ZendEngine2 branch of /php4 and Zend Engine 2? Good idea. Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
At 11:48 23/03/2002 +0100, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: It's probably best to base this version on the 4.2.0 branch as the 4.3.0 will probably take some time to be stable due to the huge amount of streams changes. Why not make two tarballs when PHP 4.2.0 gets released? One with the Zend Engine 1, and the other with the ZendEngine2 branch of /php4 and Zend Engine 2? I just realized that 4.2.0 is planned for the 22nd of April. I was hoping to get out something earlier. I think the 4.2.0 branch is good enough. In any case there will be a thousands disclaimers that this is just a preview version to toy with and not to use it for actual production work. Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
Why not make two tarballs when PHP 4.2.0 gets released? One with the Zend Engine 1, and the other with the ZendEngine2 branch of /php4 and Zend Engine 2? Good idea. Please make sure to mark one with ZE2 experimental, not to be used in production, etc. Imagine the confusion if the two got mixed up somehow. Edin -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
At 11:56 23/03/2002 +0100, Edin Kadribasic wrote: Why not make two tarballs when PHP 4.2.0 gets released? One with the Zend Engine 1, and the other with the ZendEngine2 branch of /php4 and Zend Engine 2? Good idea. Please make sure to mark one with ZE2 experimental, not to be used in production, etc. Imagine the confusion if the two got mixed up somehow. Of course! I agree 100%. Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
Andi Gutmans wrote: I just realized that 4.2.0 is planned for the 22nd of April. ... which happens to be my birthday. Derick and I recently had a (not so serious) discussion about introducing codenames for our releases. PHP 4.1.0 was released on Derick's birthday, so it should've been ''Codename Derick'', ... :-) -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://wishlist.sebastian-bergmann.de/ -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: It's probably best to base this version on the 4.2.0 branch as the 4.3.0 will probably take some time to be stable due to the huge amount of streams changes. I will try and get something packaged in the next couple of weeks (I still want to do some testing of my own). I would very appreciate it to wait until RC3 is reached for the PHP_4_2_0 release, otherwise all attention will go to ZE2/PHP, and the attention for the release process/ testing will be drastically reduced. Derick --- PHP: Scripting the Web - [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your branches are belong to me! SRM: Script Running Machine - www.vl-srm.net --- -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
At 12:19 23/03/2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: It's probably best to base this version on the 4.2.0 branch as the 4.3.0 will probably take some time to be stable due to the huge amount of streams changes. I will try and get something packaged in the next couple of weeks (I still want to do some testing of my own). I would very appreciate it to wait until RC3 is reached for the PHP_4_2_0 release, otherwise all attention will go to ZE2/PHP, and the attention for the release process/ testing will be drastically reduced. Derick --- PHP: Scripting the Web - [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your branches are belong to me! SRM: Script Running Machine - www.vl-srm.net --- -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
At 12:19 23/03/2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: It's probably best to base this version on the 4.2.0 branch as the 4.3.0 will probably take some time to be stable due to the huge amount of streams changes. I will try and get something packaged in the next couple of weeks (I still want to do some testing of my own). I would very appreciate it to wait until RC3 is reached for the PHP_4_2_0 release, otherwise all attention will go to ZE2/PHP, and the attention for the release process/ testing will be drastically reduced. We're on RC 1 now. Do you have any idea when we'll be at RC3? What if we don't reach RC3? :) Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
Andi Gutmans wrote: At 11:48 23/03/2002 +0100, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Why not make two tarballs when PHP 4.2.0 gets released? One with the Zend Engine 1, and the other with the ZendEngine2 branch of /php4 and Zend Engine 2? Good idea. Some roadmap or plan for the future is needed. Are we going to maintain module compatibility for both ZE1 and ZE2? If yes, I would like to see function name, class name and constants name case sensitivness in PHP5 AFIAK, user should take a look at thier scripts carefully due to new name space and object handle, anyway. Most conversion form case insensitive name to case sensitive name can be done automatically. Sorry guys. This is the last time to ask for case sensitivity ;) This may be the last chance for PHP to be case sensitive. -- Yasuo Ohgaki -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
Yasuo, Please don't reopen this discussion. Please, pretty please. Zeev At 01:35 PM 3/23/2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: Andi Gutmans wrote: At 11:48 23/03/2002 +0100, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Why not make two tarballs when PHP 4.2.0 gets released? One with the Zend Engine 1, and the other with the ZendEngine2 branch of /php4 and Zend Engine 2? Good idea. Some roadmap or plan for the future is needed. Are we going to maintain module compatibility for both ZE1 and ZE2? If yes, I would like to see function name, class name and constants name case sensitivness in PHP5 AFIAK, user should take a look at thier scripts carefully due to new name space and object handle, anyway. Most conversion form case insensitive name to case sensitive name can be done automatically. Sorry guys. This is the last time to ask for case sensitivity ;) This may be the last chance for PHP to be case sensitive. -- Yasuo Ohgaki -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: At 12:19 23/03/2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: It's probably best to base this version on the 4.2.0 branch as the 4.3.0 will probably take some time to be stable due to the huge amount of streams changes. I will try and get something packaged in the next couple of weeks (I still want to do some testing of my own). I would very appreciate it to wait until RC3 is reached for the PHP_4_2_0 release, otherwise all attention will go to ZE2/PHP, and the attention for the release process/ testing will be drastically reduced. We're on RC 1 now. Do you have any idea when we'll be at RC3? What if we don't reach RC3? :) We will reach RC3, you can trust me on that :) If everything goes according plan, it will be April 12, 2002. regards, Derick Rethans - PHP: Scripting the Web - www.php.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your branches are belong to me! SRM: Script Running Machine - www.vl-srm.net - -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Preview version of Zend Engine 2 powered PHP
At 13:43 23/03/2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: At 13:21 23/03/2002 +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: We will reach RC3, you can trust me on that :) If everything goes according plan, it will be April 12, 2002. Okay but I don't quite understand why I should wait. There are tens of thousands of people who come to php.net. It's not like you won't have any testers for 4.2.0 especially as you are inviting a much larger community then in the past. (And we managed without their testing in the past too). We managed in the past because there were more than 4 active QA-ers. The effort is really degrading at this moment. Announcing it on php.net brought only 2 members so far :I Damn, that sucks. You should have lots of testers. Unfortunately that is not the case. I will make it clear that this is only something I want people to play with. Okay... I want to play with it too :) :) Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
