[PHP] Re: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Well, this is useful. First I get a a message that the owner of the list is available at internals-ow...@lists.php.net and then I get another automated reply. On 12.10.12 13:48 , PHP Lists Owner wrote: This is an automated response to your message to internals-ow...@lists.php.net If you are trying to post to one of the PHP mailing lists, the correct address looks something like php-general@lists.php.net. If you are having problems unsubscribing, follow the directions located online at http://php.net/unsub Thanks! --- Your original email is below. Hello, Can you please explain to me how this can happen? My mail server only rejects mails which do not pass the clamav milter and I haven't seen any virus alerts in the mail log which would refer to the messages you have mentioned. Cheers, Helmut On 12.10.12 6:44 , internals-h...@lists.php.net wrote: Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the intern...@lists.php.net mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at internals-ow...@lists.php.net. Messages to you from the internals mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received. If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, I will remove your address from the internals mailing list, without further notice. I've kept a list of which messages from the internals mailing list have bounced from your address. Copies of these messages may be in the archive. To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request), send an empty message to: internals-get.123_...@lists.php.net To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages, send an empty message to: internals-in...@lists.php.net Here are the message numbers: 63243 63245 63244 63246 --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81005 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2012 14:49:47 - Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Sep 2012 14:49:47 - Return-Path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([local]) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with INTERNAL id 70/00-15389-30C58605 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:49:39 -0400 From: Mail Delivery System mailer-dae...@pb1.pair.com To: internals-return-63243-tessarek=evermeet...@lists.php.net Subject: Mail Delivery Failure Message-Id: 6E/e1-13052-744d6...@pb1.pair.com Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:49:39 -0400 This message was created automatically by the mail system (ecelerity). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: tessa...@evermeet.cx (while not connected): 554 5.4.7 [internal] exceeded max time without delivery -- This is a copy of the headers of the original message. -- Return-Path: internals-return-63243-tessarek=evermeet...@lists.php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 76.75.200.58 pb1.pair.com Received: from [76.75.200.58] ([76.75.200.58:4337] helo=lists.php.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6E/E1-13052-744D6605 for tessa...@evermeet.cx; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:58:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 1431 invoked by uid 1010); 29 Sep 2012 10:57:45 - Mailing-List: contact internals-h...@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: mailto:internals-h...@lists.php.net list-unsubscribe: mailto:internals-unsubscr...@lists.php.net list-post: mailto:intern...@lists.php.net List-Id: internals.lists.php.net Delivered-To: mailing list intern...@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1417 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2012 10:57:45 - Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyr...@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyr...@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyr...@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.42 mail-pb0-f42.google.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=prZm0cGKMFMCkD/fbiF1tCeiDSlTMznmUQpVEygTdy0=; b=TOSHdETdaKP7G5Ou1eBP7tZVyMRgBjAmfZTyGJWi4L3mNrHEVponyIOiJFE9Vl9Qpq k9Th+dyyG39Yqh6QinwAz0CEa2NptoMgeKofnF5MxHxXlq0aykkArjJSBUaHFZxFpaVg 3Pw8mm8Aw3a1FbsZTsbiEIRFPVcUiEJEWPzbATHgw0iS8WFXLH4qkcLYC2tUeGM13koQ rY926iqJEfnSsmegqWWs4GLYLiNOJQouvkyYDh+ZLUmHBTqSsubDdLXIB0TltnBJitvy B/4Jqbm6LmTXwWFqJEfx7HRMkFn90V71fxGYgvAC5VjWeyHLIOOgG7Vz2Nb1vlQ7DA3j GvEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: CAB+pmfMcBS9BP=dqktf2eisawqcvtljok+rhgjqjfmxhe4h...@mail.gmail.com References:
Re: [PHP] Re: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
What is it you're trying to achieve with the below, Helmut? On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Helmut Tessarek tessa...@evermeet.cx wrote: Well, this is useful. First I get a a message that the owner of the list is available at internals-ow...@lists.php.net and then I get another automated reply. On 12.10.12 13:48 , PHP Lists Owner wrote: This is an automated response to your message to internals-ow...@lists.php.net If you are trying to post to one of the PHP mailing lists, the correct address looks something like php-general@lists.php.net. If you are having problems unsubscribing, follow the directions located online at http://php.net/unsub Thanks! --- Your original email is below. Hello, Can you please explain to me how this can happen? My mail server only rejects mails which do not pass the clamav milter and I haven't seen any virus alerts in the mail log which would refer to the messages you have mentioned. Cheers, Helmut On 12.10.12 6:44 , internals-h...@lists.php.net wrote: Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the intern...@lists.php.net mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at internals-ow...@lists.php.net. Messages to you from the internals mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received. If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, I will remove your address from the internals mailing list, without further notice. I've kept a list of which messages from the internals mailing list have bounced from your address. Copies of these messages may be in the archive. To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request), send an empty message to: internals-get.123_...@lists.php.net To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages, send an empty message to: internals-in...@lists.php.net Here are the message numbers: 63243 63245 63244 63246 --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81005 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2012 14:49:47 - Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Sep 2012 14:49:47 - Return-Path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([local]) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with INTERNAL id 70/00-15389-30C58605 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:49:39 -0400 From: Mail Delivery System mailer-dae...@pb1.pair.com To: internals-return-63243-tessarek=evermeet...@lists.php.net Subject: Mail Delivery Failure Message-Id: 6E/e1-13052-744d6...@pb1.pair.com Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:49:39 -0400 This message was created automatically by the mail system (ecelerity). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: tessa...@evermeet.cx (while not connected): 554 5.4.7 [internal] exceeded max time without delivery -- This is a copy of the headers of the original message. -- Return-Path: internals-return-63243-tessarek=evermeet...@lists.php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 76.75.200.58 pb1.pair.com Received: from [76.75.200.58] ([76.75.200.58:4337] helo=lists.php.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6E/E1-13052-744D6605 for tessa...@evermeet.cx; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:58:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 1431 invoked by uid 1010); 29 Sep 2012 10:57:45 - Mailing-List: contact internals-h...@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: mailto:internals-h...@lists.php.net list-unsubscribe: mailto:internals-unsubscr...@lists.php.net list-post: mailto:intern...@lists.php.net List-Id: internals.lists.php.net Delivered-To: mailing list intern...@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1417 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2012 10:57:45 - Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyr...@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyr...@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyr...@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.42 mail-pb0-f42.google.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=prZm0cGKMFMCkD/fbiF1tCeiDSlTMznmUQpVEygTdy0=; b=TOSHdETdaKP7G5Ou1eBP7tZVyMRgBjAmfZTyGJWi4L3mNrHEVponyIOiJFE9Vl9Qpq k9Th+dyyG39Yqh6QinwAz0CEa2NptoMgeKofnF5MxHxXlq0aykkArjJSBUaHFZxFpaVg 3Pw8mm8Aw3a1FbsZTsbiEIRFPVcUiEJEWPzbATHgw0iS8WFXLH4qkcLYC2tUeGM13koQ rY926iqJEfnSsmegqWWs4GLYLiNOJQouvkyYDh+ZLUmHBTqSsubDdLXIB0TltnBJitvy B/4Jqbm6LmTXwWFqJEfx7HRMkFn90V71fxGYgvAC5VjWeyHLIOOgG7Vz2Nb1vlQ7DA3j GvEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:
Re: [PHP] Re: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Hello Daniel, I wanted to get an answer to my question (which you would have seen, if you actually had read the mail). I got a mail that messages bounced from my mail server. So I sent a reply to the list owner to get an explanation how this is possible, since my mail server only rejects mails which are flagged by the clamav milter (and this did not happen). But then, instead of an answer, I got an automated response, which basically means only one thing: I don't give a damn about your problems and buzz off. Mailing list owners are supposed to be real people, not bots. I'm sorry, I was really irritated by this automated respone. It is not very professional sending people to go in circles. Cheers, Helmut On 12.10.12 14:01 , Daniel Brown wrote: What is it you're trying to achieve with the below, Helmut? On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Helmut Tessarek tessa...@evermeet.cx wrote: Well, this is useful. First I get a a message that the owner of the list is available at internals-ow...@lists.php.net and then I get another automated reply. On 12.10.12 13:48 , PHP Lists Owner wrote: This is an automated response to your message to internals-ow...@lists.php.net If you are trying to post to one of the PHP mailing lists, the correct address looks something like php-general@lists.php.net. If you are having problems unsubscribing, follow the directions located online at http://php.net/unsub Thanks! --- Your original email is below. Hello, Can you please explain to me how this can happen? My mail server only rejects mails which do not pass the clamav milter and I haven't seen any virus alerts in the mail log which would refer to the messages you have mentioned. Cheers, Helmut On 12.10.12 6:44 , internals-h...@lists.php.net wrote: Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the intern...@lists.php.net mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at internals-ow...@lists.php.net. Messages to you from the internals mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received. If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, I will remove your address from the internals mailing list, without further notice. I've kept a list of which messages from the internals mailing list have bounced from your address. Copies of these messages may be in the archive. To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request), send an empty message to: internals-get.123_...@lists.php.net To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages, send an empty message to: internals-in...@lists.php.net Here are the message numbers: 63243 63245 63244 63246 --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81005 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2012 14:49:47 - Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Sep 2012 14:49:47 - Return-Path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([local]) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with INTERNAL id 70/00-15389-30C58605 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:49:39 -0400 From: Mail Delivery System mailer-dae...@pb1.pair.com To: internals-return-63243-tessarek=evermeet...@lists.php.net Subject: Mail Delivery Failure Message-Id: 6E/e1-13052-744d6...@pb1.pair.com Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:49:39 -0400 This message was created automatically by the mail system (ecelerity). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: tessa...@evermeet.cx (while not connected): 554 5.4.7 [internal] exceeded max time without delivery -- This is a copy of the headers of the original message. -- Return-Path: internals-return-63243-tessarek=evermeet...@lists.php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 76.75.200.58 pb1.pair.com Received: from [76.75.200.58] ([76.75.200.58:4337] helo=lists.php.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6E/E1-13052-744D6605 for tessa...@evermeet.cx; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:58:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 1431 invoked by uid 1010); 29 Sep 2012 10:57:45 - Mailing-List: contact internals-h...@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: mailto:internals-h...@lists.php.net list-unsubscribe: mailto:internals-unsubscr...@lists.php.net list-post: mailto:intern...@lists.php.net List-Id: internals.lists.php.net Delivered-To: mailing list intern...@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1417 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2012 10:57:45 - Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyr...@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyr...@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyr...@gmail.com
Re: [PHP] Re: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Helmut Tessarek tessa...@evermeet.cx wrote: Hello Daniel, I wanted to get an answer to my question (which you would have seen, if you actually had read the mail). I briefly glanced, and no more, because anyone with any idea of Internet etiquette knows not to forward an entire bunch of junk to a public and wholly-unrelated mailing list. Had you considered the appropriate options, such as reading about how to contact us, you'd have gotten a response. Note that the tone of your reply here has already changed the tenor of this entire discussion now. I got a mail that messages bounced from my mail server. So I sent a reply to the list owner to get an explanation how this is possible, since my mail server only rejects mails which are flagged by the clamav milter (and this did not happen). But then, instead of an answer, I got an automated response, which basically means only one thing: I don't give a damn about your problems and buzz off. Mailing list owners are supposed to be real people, not bots. And, for the most part, we are (save for a few sentient androids). However, go to news.php.net and look at those bounce messages. Note it's all consecutive, within a relatively small window of time. Then, using your own suggestion about reading the email, look at the bounce response: the messages were undeliverable up to a time threshold, when the server gave up. Sounds like there was an issue connecting to your SMTP system during that window. If you have the appropriate access, you might want to review your mail logs during this window. I'm sorry, I was really irritated by this automated respone. It is not very professional sending people to go in circles. Well, as the adage goes, you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. And considering this is the very first message I've ever seen from you, it sounds like either (a) you didn't follow the proper protocol, or (b) there's something in the process we need to review. If you think the issue lies on our end, you can submit a bug at https://bugs.php.net/ and detail the steps to reproduce the issue. If it is indeed something we need to correct, believe me, we will. We don't deliberately attempt to mislead or frustrate people, despite how it might have seemed. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Helmut Tessarek tessa...@evermeet.cx wrote: Hello Daniel, I wanted to get an answer to my question (which you would have seen, if you actually had read the mail). I briefly glanced, and no more, because anyone with any idea of Internet etiquette knows not to forward an entire bunch of junk to a public and wholly-unrelated mailing list. Had you considered the appropriate options, such as reading about how to contact us, you'd have gotten a response. Note that the tone of your reply here has already changed the tenor of this entire discussion now. I got a mail that messages bounced from my mail server. So I sent a reply to the list owner to get an explanation how this is possible, since my mail server only rejects mails which are flagged by the clamav milter (and this did not happen). But then, instead of an answer, I got an automated response, which basically means only one thing: I don't give a damn about your problems and buzz off. Mailing list owners are supposed to be real people, not bots. And, for the most part, we are (save for a few sentient androids). However, go to news.php.net and look at those bounce messages. Note it's all consecutive, within a relatively small window of time. Then, using your own suggestion about reading the email, look at the bounce response: the messages were undeliverable up to a time threshold, when the server gave up. Sounds like there was an issue connecting to your SMTP system during that window. If you have the appropriate access, you might want to review your mail logs during this window. I'm sorry, I was really irritated by this automated respone. It is not very professional sending people to go in circles. Well, as the adage goes, you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. And considering this is the very first message I've ever seen from you, it sounds like either (a) you didn't follow the proper protocol, or (b) there's something in the process we need to review. If you think the issue lies on our end, you can submit a bug at https://bugs.php.net/ and detail the steps to reproduce the issue. If it is indeed something we need to correct, believe me, we will. We don't deliberately attempt to mislead or frustrate people, despite how it might have seemed. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ Did you really need to use that many words? The answer is pretty simple, he's using a crappy mail server.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Hello Daniel, I briefly glanced, and no more, because anyone with any idea of Internet etiquette knows not to forward an entire bunch of junk to a public and wholly-unrelated mailing list. Had you considered the appropriate options, such as reading about how to contact us, you'd have gotten a response. Note that the tone of your reply here has already changed the tenor of this entire discussion now. Hmm, that's funny. I sent the mail to the addresses which were listed in the replies I got. The first mail suggested to use the ml owner, which I did. Then I got another reply which said the following: --- This is an automated response to your message to internals-ow...@lists.php.net If you are trying to post to one of the PHP mailing lists, the correct address looks something like php-general@lists.php.net. If you are having problems unsubscribing, follow the directions located online at http://php.net/unsub --- So the only address that actually seemed to be working was php-general@lists.php.net How do you expect me to investigate how to contact the mailing list owners other than reading the mails I get from the mailing list. You wrote that 'anyone with any idea of Internet etiquette knows not to forward an entire bunch of junk to a public and wholly-unrelated mailing list'. You know, you could also say the following: Anyone with any idea of Internet etiquette knows that if you send an automated reply, you also include a correct address to which you can reply to. Using only addresses that return additional canned responses is against the Internet etiquette. It is not my fault that the only address that worked was a totally unrelated public mailing list. And, for the most part, we are (save for a few sentient androids). However, go to news.php.net and look at those bounce messages. Note it's all consecutive, within a relatively small window of time. Then, using your own suggestion about reading the email, look at the bounce response: the messages were undeliverable up to a time threshold, when the server gave up. Sounds like there was an issue connecting to your SMTP system during that window. If you have the appropriate access, you might want to review your mail logs during this window. Ok. This makes sense since the mail server was down for several days due to a HW problem. But this is something which can happen and I find it rather concerning getting an email which states that I might be removed w/o further notice. If the system knows that mails were undeliverable during a certain period, then there is no reason for sending me a warning. If this happens for 14 consecutive days, then it makes sense to send an email. Well, as the adage goes, you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. And considering this is the very first message I've ever seen from you, it sounds like either (a) you didn't follow the proper protocol, or (b) there's something in the process we need to review. If you think the issue lies on our end, you can submit a bug at https://bugs.php.net/ and detail the steps to reproduce the issue. If it is indeed something we need to correct, believe me, we will. We don't deliberately attempt to mislead or frustrate people, despite how it might have seemed. I was one of the original developers of the native ibm_db2 driver for PHP. I also subscribed to the internal mailing list at that time, because I wanted to work on PHP itself. Unfortunately most developers started to be quite condescending in this list and thus I never really posted anything to that list. -- regards Helmut K. C. Tessarek lookup http://sks.pkqs.net for KeyID 0xC11F128D /* Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer for chaos and madness await thee at its end. */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Hi Daniel, Do you see what I mean by condescending? On 12.10.12 14:45 , Matijn Woudt wrote: Did you really need to use that many words? The answer is pretty simple, he's using a crappy mail server.. -- regards Helmut K. C. Tessarek lookup http://sks.pkqs.net for KeyID 0xC11F128D /* Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer for chaos and madness await thee at its end. */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Hi!! I Joined the PHP Mailing List
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[PHP] Re: Hi!! I Joined the PHP Mailing List
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Re: [PHP] Re: Hi!! I Joined the PHP Mailing List
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[PHP] Re: Hi!! I Joined the PHP Mailing List
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Re: [PHP] Re: Hi!! I Joined the PHP Mailing List
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Re: [PHP] Hi!! I Joined the PHP Mailing List
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Picu Priya iniad...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, I have just joined the PHP Community.. I hope, I will spend good time here.. I am already a PHP programmer, and Love to learn a lot of new php tricks while helping others, as best of my knowledge. :) Hello, and welcome! Just a little FYI--the mailing list archives are at http://marc.info/?l=php-general ... lots of useful information in there, and you may find the solution to your problem before you even need to ask a question! Happy programming, and again, welcome to the list. -- // Todd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Hi!! I Joined the PHP Mailing List
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[PHP] Mailing list rules?
Hello, Is it okay for me to post a message looking for programmers willing to help out with a php project? Thanks, dK
Re: [PHP] Mailing list rules?
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 17:52, Daniel Kolbo kolb0...@umn.edu wrote: Hello, Is it okay for me to post a message looking for programmers willing to help out with a php project? Absolutely, Dan, go right ahead. As long as you don't bump the thread or post strictly to advertise any kind of product or service, you'll have no problems posting it to PHP General. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Mailing List fun
Subject:OT: Mail service Restored Who'd have thunk that a person who messes up a Time Warner account and WORKS in Time Warner can disable your email accounts. Not only that, but when they finally figure out what happened (3 phone calls, over an hour on the phone with them), they are unable to restore the email accounts until you drive home, reboot the router, call and WAIT ON HOLD for their customer service reps and then another 10 minutes later get the email accounts restored. Sorry for the bounces everyone. Wolf Of course, after I sent that, I got an immediate failure message = This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Your message was not delivered because the destination computer refused to accept it (the error message is reproduced below). This type of error is usually due to a mis-configured account or mail delivery system on the destination computer; however, it could be caused by your message since some mail systems refuse messages with invalid header information, or if they are too large. Your message was rejected by pair1.php.net for the following reason: Apparent off-topic email rejected. The following recipients did not receive this message: php-general@lists.php.net The following websites may contain more information to assist you: http://help.rr.com/HMSLogic/rrmail.aspx http://security.rr.com/help.htm http://security.rr.com/contact.htm Please do not reply to this message, as it will go to an unread mailbox Open Attachment 2 Open --- Forwarded Message --- Date: [Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:35:23 -0400] From: Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general php-general@lists.php.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
-Original Message- From: Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---8--- snip! Yeah... if you put OT anywhere in the topic, it rejects it automagically. I wondered why people were using zero-T (0T) instead; now I know. :) Seems kind of strange that going through the effort of flagging your own message as OT so that people can skip it rather than complain is rewarded with a bounce... Se la vi. Todd Boyd Web Programmer
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 11:50 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: -Original Message- From: Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---8--- snip! Yeah... if you put OT anywhere in the topic, it rejects it automagically. I wondered why people were using zero-T (0T) instead; now I know. :) Seems kind of strange that going through the effort of flagging your own message as OT so that people can skip it rather than complain is rewarded with a bounce... Se la vi. I'm sure you mean C'est la vie! here, unless that isn't French :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
-Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:57 AM To: Boyd, Todd M. Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 11:50 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: -Original Message- From: Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---8--- snip! Yeah... if you put OT anywhere in the topic, it rejects it automagically. I wondered why people were using zero-T (0T) instead; now I know. :) Seems kind of strange that going through the effort of flagging your own message as OT so that people can skip it rather than complain is rewarded with a bounce... Se la vi. I'm sure you mean C'est la vie! here, unless that isn't French :) Spanish... but maybe I spelled something wrong. 5 years of Japanese and 26 years of bad English is all I've got under my belt. :) (Though, I at least know that the e in Se needs an accent... but I'm not going to go through my Character Map to find it.) Also--follow-up to what you had posted earlier: there are .png compression algorithms? I must get a hold of one and try to use it in a side project of mine (that relies on .png for transparency, since .gif has a limited palette and .jpg is not lossless). Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Se la vi. I'm sure you mean C'est la vie! here, unless that isn't French :) He was referring to the editor, Vi. In a language known as Peachpese, it is directly-translated as see the editor. And, in the context of editing his email, you'll see that it makes perfect sense. -- /Daniel P. Brown More full-root dedicated server packages: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Intel 2.4GHz/320/GB/1GB/3TB $74.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 12:00 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: -Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:57 AM To: Boyd, Todd M. Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 11:50 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: -Original Message- From: Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---8--- snip! Yeah... if you put OT anywhere in the topic, it rejects it automagically. I wondered why people were using zero-T (0T) instead; now I know. :) Seems kind of strange that going through the effort of flagging your own message as OT so that people can skip it rather than complain is rewarded with a bounce... Se la vi. I'm sure you mean C'est la vie! here, unless that isn't French :) Spanish... but maybe I spelled something wrong. 5 years of Japanese and 26 years of bad English is all I've got under my belt. :) (Though, I at least know that the e in Se needs an accent... but I'm not going to go through my Character Map to find it.) Ah Spanish... :) Also--follow-up to what you had posted earlier: there are .png compression algorithms? I must get a hold of one and try to use it in a side project of mine (that relies on .png for transparency, since .gif has a limited palette and .jpg is not lossless). I believe jpg is lossless if you choose 100% quality. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:12 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: I believe jpg is lossless if you choose 100% quality. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy, even at 100% quality. The nature of the algorithm is such that there is always loss involved, which is why it's best to work on photos that are not in JPEG format, as each save and re-open creates more and more distortion (although not much that will be noticed in a photo!) Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy, even at 100% quality. The nature of the algorithm is such that there is always loss involved, which is why it's best to work on photos that are not in JPEG format, as each save and re-open creates more and more distortion (although not much that will be noticed in a photo!) Hey, you kids get this off-topic discussion off my lawn! How many times do I have to remind you that this is a *PHP* list? Don't I do well enough leading by example by never posting non-PHP stuff to this list? Good God -- /Daniel P. Brown More full-root dedicated server packages: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Intel 2.4GHz/320/GB/1GB/3TB $74.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun 0T?
-Original Message- From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Robert Cummings; Boyd, Todd M.; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy, even at 100% quality. The nature of the algorithm is such that there is always loss involved, which is why it's best to work on photos that are not in JPEG format, as each save and re-open creates more and more distortion (although not much that will be noticed in a photo!) Hey, you kids get this off-topic discussion off my lawn! How many times do I have to remind you that this is a *PHP* list? Don't I do well enough leading by example by never posting non-PHP stuff to this list? Good God Everybody run! It's Old Man Brown! Man... now we'll never get our baseball back. :( Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 19:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:12 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: I believe jpg is lossless if you choose 100% quality. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy I've never heard the term web-safe applied to images. What do you mean by that? Lack of browser support? Breaks the web-safe 216 colour palette? Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:53 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy, even at 100% quality. The nature of the algorithm is such that there is always loss involved, which is why it's best to work on photos that are not in JPEG format, as each save and re-open creates more and more distortion (although not much that will be noticed in a photo!) Hey, you kids get this off-topic discussion off my lawn! Due to the recent trends in sub-prime mortgages... your lawn is now MY lawn. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 19:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:12 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: I believe jpg is lossless if you choose 100% quality. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy I've never heard the term web-safe applied to images. What do you mean by that? Lack of browser support? Breaks the web-safe 216 colour palette? Cheers, Rob. I'd guess it means the filesize is ridiculously huge. Jay -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:53 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy, even at 100% quality. The nature of the algorithm is such that there is always loss involved, which is why it's best to work on photos that are not in JPEG format, as each save and re-open creates more and more distortion (although not much that will be noticed in a photo!) Hey, you kids get this off-topic discussion off my lawn! How many times do I have to remind you that this is a *PHP* list? Don't I do well enough leading by example by never posting non-PHP stuff to this list? Good God BTW, to point out the obvious hypocrisy... you write this after starting that huge off-topic discussion yesterday about some guy named Robert Cummings and his new baby. Sheesh!! Get off my world! ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 15:54 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 19:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:12 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: I believe jpg is lossless if you choose 100% quality. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy I've never heard the term web-safe applied to images. What do you mean by that? Lack of browser support? Breaks the web-safe 216 colour palette? Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP There are two types of JPEG, the normal ones, and the new 2000 format. JPEG 2000 I believe supports CMYK and lossless compression, but the images do not display on any browser I know of. This has caused a lot of problems with CMS's that I've put together, as the images aren't recognised by GD either, so I couldn't even change them. And a lot of clients didn't even realise they were using the wrong type, as they were just using the same images they use for print. Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 21:11 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: There are two types of JPEG, the normal ones, and the new 2000 format. JPEG 2000 I believe supports CMYK and lossless compression, but the images do not display on any browser I know of. This has caused a lot of problems with CMS's that I've put together, as the images aren't recognised by GD either, so I couldn't even change them. And a lot of clients didn't even realise they were using the wrong type, as they were just using the same images they use for print. Cool. Thanks for the lesson :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List fun
At 3:54 PM -0400 10/1/08, Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 19:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:12 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: I believe jpg is lossless if you choose 100% quality. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP Unless it's a JPEG 2000 (which isn't web-safe) then it's lossy I've never heard the term web-safe applied to images. What do you mean by that? Lack of browser support? Breaks the web-safe 216 colour palette? Cheers, Rob. The term web-safe when applied to images was a misnomer -- there was no such thing. It originally pertained to certain colors that were consider staples of browsers, such as red, white, blue, cornflowerblue, and so. I think there was 256 of them -- but I may be wrong. In any event, of those considered web-safe there were very few of those that were actually the same color when viewed across different browsers. So, truly web-safe colors were just a handful. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:33 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The term web-safe when applied to images was a misnomer -- there was no such thing. It originally pertained to certain colors that were consider staples of browsers, such as red, white, blue, cornflowerblue, and so. I think there was 256 of them -- but I may be wrong. What's wrong with everyone? No one has yet thrown out a Wikipedia link. I know damn well that some of you looked it up! -- /Daniel P. Brown More full-root dedicated server packages: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Intel 2.4GHz/320/GB/1GB/3TB $74.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
At 4:36 PM -0400 10/1/08, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:33 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The term web-safe when applied to images was a misnomer -- there was no such thing. It originally pertained to certain colors that were consider staples of browsers, such as red, white, blue, cornflowerblue, and so. I think there was 256 of them -- but I may be wrong. What's wrong with everyone? No one has yet thrown out a Wikipedia link. I know damn well that some of you looked it up! Here's a link that explains what people used to think. http://www.permadi.com/tutorial/websafecolor/ But that's not the way it actually is. There has been a more exhaustive study of those colors and it was discovered that very few of those colors were web-safe (i.e., no differences in color) across different browsers. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Oct 1, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:33 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The term web-safe when applied to images was a misnomer -- there was no such thing. It originally pertained to certain colors that were consider staples of browsers, such as red, white, blue, cornflowerblue, and so. I think there was 256 of them -- but I may be wrong. What's wrong with everyone? No one has yet thrown out a Wikipedia link. I know damn well that some of you looked it up! We are waiting for you to get off your lazy ass and do some work for us! :P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List fun
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:52 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: On Oct 1, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:33 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The term web-safe when applied to images was a misnomer -- there was no such thing. It originally pertained to certain colors that were consider staples of browsers, such as red, white, blue, cornflowerblue, and so. I think there was 256 of them -- but I may be wrong. What's wrong with everyone? No one has yet thrown out a Wikipedia link. I know damn well that some of you looked it up! We are waiting for you to get off your lazy ass and do some work for us! :P When I said web-safe images, I didn't mean images that were in web-safe colours. You all know that browsers can only be relied upon to display jpeg, gif and png images. Well, jpeg has 2 formats, one that browsers can display (web-safe) and one that browsers can't (jpeg 2000 not web-safe). I hope this clears things up? Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Thanks, Alan - I probably should admit to being totally complacent! I haven't gone back to validate those pages for years (they 'appear' to work) and am chagrined to find so many errors! I have my work cut out for me - and honestly appreciate the time you've taken to provide feedback. Thank you VERY much! Also, thanks to everyone who responded to share php header/footer include' logic with me. I believe the answer to my 'speed' issue is php caching, and I'm a happy camper now. I think. :-) John B. Moss -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Milnes Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:52 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners I am VERY computer literate, and VERY message-oriented ILLITERATE. I have coded HTML for years, and although not a fancy programmer I think my pages are OK. Could be better, but OK. (http://www.miscelpage.com, http://www.boundarycountyfire.com, http://www.curleycreek.com, http://www.theonlinewriter.com, etc. etc., etc) One thing to watch - it's not strictly a PHP problem but it may influence the speed of your pages - is that your pages aren't valid html, see the results from the validator below:- http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boundarycountyfire.comch arset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miscelpage.comcharset=%2 8detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theonlinewriter.com%2Fch arset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0 Best to get these fixed before you go much further. Cheers Alan My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
I have no idea what I am doing - and I hate to think this message is actually going to be read by everyone in a general mailing list. But - since the attempt to reach a human 'owner' didn't work and the general-help doesn't yield results I may just have to conclude that this won't work, either. If the message does reach a 'live' audience, I apologize for my stupidity and hope that someone can see where I've gone astray. I don't have many options beyond taking instructions literally... John B. Moss -Original Message- From: PHP Lists Owner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners This is an automated response to your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are trying to post to one of the PHP mailing lists, the correct address looks something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are having problems unsubscribing, follow the directions located online at http://php.net/unsub Thanks! --- Your original email is below. Received: (qmail 32461 invoked by uid 1010); 31 Oct 2007 13:45:08 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 32446 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2007 13:45:08 - Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Oct 2007 13:45:08 - Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain addr1.com from 69.41.130.97 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Host-Fingerprint: 69.41.130.97 mail.meadowcrk.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [69.41.130.97] ([69.41.130.97:2877] helo=mail.meadowcrk.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 80/32-20788-2E688274 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:45:07 -0500 Received: from JBMMachine [66.45.174.21] by mail.meadowcrk.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.21) id A6DD051C; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:45:01 -0700 From: John Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ezmlm response Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:44:45 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0057_01C81B89.87E12D50 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgbwB3w3bfuOEYOQrmO4WAs/tT4XgAAHTKg In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0057_01C81B89.87E12D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ~ I feel so stupid! I am trying to learn php, so am attempting to get involved with a php-related mailing list. The problem: I have no familiarity - none - with mailing list protocols. So - it seems simple - get on a mailing list, ask for help in getting through what I need to know, then participate as my need to know directs me. I find a mailing list related to php - I think. Seems right - lists.php.net. I 'subscribe' (I think) to a 'General user list' which suggests This is a really high volume general list for PHP users. I think this is what I want - but I have no idea what subscribing to it means, other than to suppose that I will get some emails from the group. I chose to get the 'Digest', as opposed to the 'Normal', list since I interpret this to mean I get 1 (or 2) mailings a day with many messages embedded, as opposed to many many messages all day long, all the time. Since I have no idea (and doubt) that I am interested in all of these, and since I want to pick and choose what I read, I'm guessing the 'Digest' suits my purpose. Problem: how to see what's actually involved, once I receive my subscription confirmation? It seems to me that a 'help' function is the answer, but - look below - when I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I receive this message in response! Repeating the request means getting this response each time! Apart from feeling that this is insane, where do I turn? How do I find out what is on the list, begin receiving messages, and determine the protocol for participating? For folks who have been on mailing lists since the beginning of the web, this all seems foolish I'm sure. But if I can't take the suggestion for accessing help literally (why not?) it seems there should be a logical substitution argument that would apply. To explain: if in the example I am to replace 'lists.php.net' with something else, in order to get general help, what might that something else be? Where do I deduce the name/replacement value? Why don't the instructions for doing this exist? Why isn't there 'Help' for getting 'help'? I can read as well as the next person: This is a generic help message. The message I received wasn't sent to any of my command addresses. What is meant
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 06:53 -0700, John Moss wrote: I have no idea what I am doing - and I hate to think this message is actually going to be read by everyone in a general mailing list. But - since the attempt to reach a human 'owner' didn't work and the general-help doesn't yield results I may just have to conclude that this won't work, either. If the message does reach a 'live' audience, I apologize for my stupidity and hope that someone can see where I've gone astray. I don't have many options beyond taking instructions literally... We all started someplace. What's your problem... the list is listening :) Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 06:53 -0700, John Moss wrote: I find a mailing list related to php - I think. Seems right - lists.php.net. I 'subscribe' (I think) to a 'General user list' which suggests This is a really high volume general list for PHP users. I think this is what I want - but I have no idea what subscribing to it means, other than to suppose that I will get some emails from the group. I chose to get the 'Digest', as opposed to the 'Normal', list since I interpret this to mean I get 1 (or 2) mailings a day with many messages embedded, as opposed to many many messages all day long, all the time. Since I have no idea (and doubt) that I am interested in all of these, and since I want to pick and choose what I read, I'm guessing the 'Digest' suits my purpose. I wouldn't use the digest option... not in this day and age when you can sort incoming messages to specific directories. Using the digest makes it difficult for you to receive immediate feedback and also to properly respond to any feedback sent to you since you won't have a separate message header for each response. The traffic here isn't overwhelming, maybe 10 to 50 emails a day. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 06:53 -0700, John Moss wrote: I have no idea what I am doing - and I hate to think this message is actually going to be read by everyone in a general mailing list. But - since the attempt to reach a human 'owner' didn't work and the general-help doesn't yield results I may just have to conclude that this won't work, either. If the message does reach a 'live' audience, I apologize for my stupidity and hope that someone can see where I've gone astray. I don't have many options beyond taking instructions literally... We all started someplace. What's your problem... the list is listening :) Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php John, Here's a page that may help you. Also note the links to the ezmlm commands at the bottom of the page: http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php Secondly, I see this in the headers: Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Oct 2007 13:45:08 - Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain addr1.com from 69.41.130.97 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are definitely subscribed and confirmed with that address, correct? -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Then you'll find out he was allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traffic here isn't overwhelming, maybe 10 to 50 emails a day. With the exception of the occasional rant. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Then you'll find out he was allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On 10/31/07, John Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your recent email. My inbox is protected by ChoiceMail One, the leader in anti-spam technology. ChoiceMail is holding the message you sent because your email address is not on my list of approved senders. Please click on the link below. This will take you to a sender verification page. Sender verification is a one-time process which takes only a few seconds. This will let me add you to my list of approved senders and receive your original email. ChoiceMail sender verification: Verify your identity here Please be aware that if you do not complete sender verification within 4 days, ChoiceMail will automatically delete your original message. To find out how ChoiceMail can make you spam free, please visit http://www.digiportal.com John, This could be another reason. You may want to set up a different address completely, and use it strictly for the PHP list, as Reply-All messages will require anyone trying to help you out to verify their identity --- and a lot will choose not to do so. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Then you'll find out he was allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 07:29 -0700, John Moss wrote: Thank you, Daniel Brown, Richard Buskirk, Robert Cummings, David Giragosian ~ and anyone else who may have jumped in to my message within the last minute or two, trying to help me. Below is the message I was writing to ask someone (who I didn't know) just how to participate in a mailing list. I've never done this - but it seems all I had to do was send a message to this address. Strange. For me, strange indeed. But - I am appreciative of the concept and a little bewildered by the options that seem to be available... OK - stupidity aside - I have a real question and don't know how to find an answer. I write html, have for years. I have many web sites, and lately have run aground trying to determine how my competition is able to load pages exceedingly fast. It appears the site uses php, and crosslinks to pages within the site load blindingly fast. There does not appear to be frames involved, but the tables that contain the web page bracket a display area in the center of each page that makes the site appear to be frame oriented. My question: how is php able to load this page so quickly? I realize that I might not be permitted to show a page (provide a URL) as an illustration of my point - I am certainly not advertising anything. The site in question belongs to a volunteer fire department, and I am donating my time trying to create a comparable page for my own volunteer fire department. I just can't seem to figure out what this php is all about and how it might help load a page so fast. PHP is merely an interpreter. The speed of any page to load in a browser depends on a number of factors. Four of the most important factors are the following: 1. what is being loaded? How much programming is necessary to achieve the outcome. 2. How fast is the server hardware that handles the processing. 3. How good is the connection to the remote server. This includes both bandwidth and latency (latency being the round trip time to make a request of any kind for the server). 4. How well did the programmer implement the functionality needed. It's one thing to have a heavy load of processing, it's another to use bad algorthms that bog down the server. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Thank you, Daniel Brown, Richard Buskirk, Robert Cummings, David Giragosian ~ and anyone else who may have jumped in to my message within the last minute or two, trying to help me. Below is the message I was writing to ask someone (who I didn't know) just how to participate in a mailing list. I've never done this - but it seems all I had to do was send a message to this address. Strange. For me, strange indeed. But - I am appreciative of the concept and a little bewildered by the options that seem to be available... OK - stupidity aside - I have a real question and don't know how to find an answer. I write html, have for years. I have many web sites, and lately have run aground trying to determine how my competition is able to load pages exceedingly fast. It appears the site uses php, and crosslinks to pages within the site load blindingly fast. There does not appear to be frames involved, but the tables that contain the web page bracket a display area in the center of each page that makes the site appear to be frame oriented. My question: how is php able to load this page so quickly? I realize that I might not be permitted to show a page (provide a URL) as an illustration of my point - I am certainly not advertising anything. The site in question belongs to a volunteer fire department, and I am donating my time trying to create a comparable page for my own volunteer fire department. I just can't seem to figure out what this php is all about and how it might help load a page so fast. Below is from that original behemoth of a message that you all laughed at... Thank you for your time! John B. Moss I feel so stupid! I am trying to learn php, so am attempting to get involved with a php-related mailing list. The problem: I have no familiarity - none - with mailing list protocols. So - it seems simple - get on a mailing list, ask for help in getting through what I need to know, then participate as my need to know directs me. I find a mailing list related to php - I think. Seems right - lists.php.net. I 'subscribe' (I think) to a 'General user list' which suggests This is a really high volume general list for PHP users. I think this is what I want - but I have no idea what subscribing to it means, other than to suppose that I will get some emails from the group. I chose to get the 'Digest', as opposed to the 'Normal', list since I interpret this to mean I get 1 (or 2) mailings a day with many messages embedded, as opposed to many many messages all day long, all the time. Since I have no idea (and doubt) that I am interested in all of these, and since I want to pick and choose what I read, I'm guessing the 'Digest' suits my purpose. Problem: how to see what's actually involved, once I receive my subscription confirmation? It seems to me that a 'help' function is the answer, but - look below - when I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I receive this message in response! Repeating the request means getting this response each time! Apart from feeling that this is insane, where do I turn? How do I find out what is on the list, begin receiving messages, and determine the protocol for participating? For folks who have been on mailing lists since the beginning of the web, this all seems foolish I'm sure. But if I can't take the suggestion for accessing help literally (why not?) it seems there should be a logical substitution argument that would apply. To explain: if in the example I am to replace 'lists.php.net' with something else, in order to get general help, what might that something else be? Where do I deduce the name/replacement value? Why don't the instructions for doing this exist? Why isn't there 'Help' for getting 'help'? I can read as well as the next person: This is a generic help message. The message I received wasn't sent to any of my command addresses. What is meant by the term 'my command addresses'? I sent the message as explicitly directed. If the 'command address' is something which replaces 'lists.php.net' how am I to understand that, if directed to get help and a description of available commands from that address? I am attempting to send this message directly, but if this fails I will attempt the 'Forward:' technique, as explained also below. John B. Moss My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 07:29 -0700, John Moss wrote: Thank you, Daniel Brown, Richard Buskirk, Robert Cummings, David Giragosian ~ and anyone else who may have jumped in to my message within the last minute or two, trying to help me. No problem! I realize that I might not be permitted to show a page (provide a URL) as an illustration of my point - I am certainly not advertising anything. The site in question belongs to a volunteer fire department, and I am donating my time trying to create a comparable page for my own volunteer fire department. You're not only allowed to post links, but you're encouraged to do so, especially if there's a problem or error message that we should be able to see to help you to debug the issue. So feel free to post links to examples, so long as it's not SPAM'ing the hell out of the list for penis pills and the like. I'm sure you'll find more than one (myself included) volunteer firefighters, EMTs, and rescuers on here, in fact. PHP is merely an interpreter. The speed of any page to load in a browser depends on a number of factors. Four of the most important factors are the following: 1. what is being loaded? How much programming is necessary to achieve the outcome. 2. How fast is the server hardware that handles the processing. 3. How good is the connection to the remote server. This includes both bandwidth and latency (latency being the round trip time to make a request of any kind for the server). 4. How well did the programmer implement the functionality needed. It's one thing to have a heavy load of processing, it's another to use bad algorthms that bog down the server. Adding to Rob's points, it should be expanded on Point #3 that traffic will also be a major factor in the available bandwidth and latency. And to further the latency point, the round-trip time will usually take longer, logically, if your server is across the country than, say, in your home county. So the site you'd like to mimic may be hosted nearer to you than the physical machine hosting your department's current website. Keep in mind that, for locally-oriented websites, it's best to host as local as possible, since that's from where the vast majority of your traffic will originate. Finally on that point, browser processing speeds (due to local CPU/RAM/other constraints) may have either a positive or negative impact on the experience. Expanding Point #1, keep in mind that graphic- and media-intensive websites (including Flash) will no doubt take longer to fully load. Lastly, expanding on Point #4, not only does it depend on how well the underlying code was written, but also how much pre-processing is required of PHP (or whatever server-side dynamic language is being used) for each time the page is requested. If there is caching in place, or functions and routines are only called when absolutely necessary. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Then you'll find out he was allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On 10/31/07, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traffic here isn't overwhelming, maybe 10 to 50 emails a day. With the exception of the occasional rant. ;-P We have rants? We should get some RAID and take care of them, or at least report the bugs to the owners I hear they have a nice site setup for reporting such bugs :) Reporting the bugs is probably your best bet, because getting RAID for the rants crawling around on the list would require several terabytes of 0+1 striping, I'm sure. And I haven't seen a can large enough to spray that on the shelves of my local Wal-Mart yet. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Then you'll find out he was allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traffic here isn't overwhelming, maybe 10 to 50 emails a day. With the exception of the occasional rant. ;-P We have rants? We should get some RAID and take care of them, or at least report the bugs to the owners I hear they have a nice site setup for reporting such bugs :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 11:19 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traffic here isn't overwhelming, maybe 10 to 50 emails a day. With the exception of the occasional rant. ;-P We have rants? We should get some RAID and take care of them, or at least report the bugs to the owners I hear they have a nice site setup for reporting such bugs :) Reporting the bugs is probably your best bet, because getting RAID for the rants crawling around on the list would require several terabytes of 0+1 striping, I'm sure. And I haven't seen a can large enough to spray that on the shelves of my local Wal-Mart yet. I've got rants in my pants. They itch a lot. Can you send me a small can of RAID? Though I'm not sure I want any striping in my undies :/ Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 11:19 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traffic here isn't overwhelming, maybe 10 to 50 emails a day. With the exception of the occasional rant. ;-P We have rants? We should get some RAID and take care of them, or at least report the bugs to the owners I hear they have a nice site setup for reporting such bugs :) Reporting the bugs is probably your best bet, because getting RAID for the rants crawling around on the list would require several terabytes of 0+1 striping, I'm sure. And I haven't seen a can large enough to spray that on the shelves of my local Wal-Mart yet. I've got rants in my pants. They itch a lot. Can you send me a small can of RAID? Though I'm not sure I want any striping in my undies :/ Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... You may be able to get away with RAID/5 for your personal debugging, Rob. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Then you'll find out he was allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Hi ~ is there a 'best way' to address a list, like 'Hi everyone'? As said in a previous message I have many web sites, and lately have run aground trying to determine how php is able to load related site pages so quickly? Is it OK to provide a URL as an illustration of my point - I am certainly not advertising anything. The site in question belongs to a volunteer fire department (http://www.mhfd32.com/index.php), and I am donating my time trying to create a comparable page for my own volunteer fire department. What I'm trying to accomplish for myself is the speed which is evident in loading the centerpieces as you click on the bulleted items, left center. A list-related question: I signed up for getting my messages all together once a day - how do I change this request? I run afoul of the mail protocols and had a deuce of a time just getting this far? If you are replying to me in the list - sigh - I cannot see it yet. If ever :-( John B. Moss My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
On 10/31/07, John Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi ~ is there a 'best way' to address a list, like 'Hi everyone'?
It's all personal preference, really. Although you may wish to
refrain from Yo, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@#%
I am certainly not advertising anything. The site in question belongs to a
volunteer fire department (http://www.mhfd32.com/index.php), and I am
donating my time trying to create a comparable page for my own volunteer
fire department. What I'm trying to accomplish for myself is the speed
which is evident in loading the centerpieces as you click on the bulleted
items, left center.
I didn't happen to notice the bulleted items you mentioned. However,
if you check http://www.mhfd32.com/header.php you'll see that they're
using a single header, which the browser caches, and allows for a
quicker page load, if that's what you were curious about. That's done
just by designing the header like they've done, and then just doing an
? include('header.php'); ? - or whatever your header file is named -
prior to displaying the rest of the page.
A list-related question: I signed up for getting my messages all together
once a day - how do I change this request? I run afoul of the mail protocols
and had a deuce of a time just getting this far? If you are replying to me
in the list - sigh - I cannot see it yet. If ever :-(
If you're unable to simply modify your preferences, you could
unsubscribe and re-subscribe at the
http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php link I sent you earlier, with
Normal selected instead of Digest when you re-subscribe. And also
be sure to hit Reply All instead of simply Reply when sending
messages to the list.
--
Daniel P. Brown
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[mobile] (570-) 766-8107
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allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished
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Re: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Let's fix this issue first so that you can start a regular list thread on here and we can keep things in order on the list and in the archives for future web searchers as well. On 10/31/07, John Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel ~ I got your message, and wonder how to 'modify my preferences'? I know you suggested I could unsubscribe and re-subscribe at the http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php link - is there a faster (better) way? Thank you. There should be a better way, yes, in using [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, my wonder is if the messages that PHP's ezmlm attempted to send you are stuck in your SPAM trap, since the ezmlm robot can't confirm itself and type in the CAPTCHA code required. Check in there first and see if there's anything you need to confirm, and also be sure to allow all messages from all addresses you expect to reply to yours to be allowed to do so without question. Again, you may want to set up a separate email account just for the list. I can send you over a Gmail invite if you'd like one and you can even use it as another POP3/IMAP account, if that's how you currently get your mail. I'm not sure if Gmail invites are necessary anymore (I know there was an SMS alternative a while back), but I still have a bunch left. So that offer stands for anyone else who may want a Gmail account and hasn't yet been able to get one. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Then you'll find out he was allergic and is hospitalized. See? No good deed goes unpunished -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] FW: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
[snip] On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 11:19 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traffic here isn't overwhelming, maybe 10 to 50 emails a day. With the exception of the occasional rant. ;-P We have rants? We should get some RAID and take care of them, or at least report the bugs to the owners I hear they have a nice site setup for reporting such bugs :) Reporting the bugs is probably your best bet, because getting RAID for the rants crawling around on the list would require several terabytes of 0+1 striping, I'm sure. And I haven't seen a can large enough to spray that on the shelves of my local Wal-Mart yet. I've got rants in my pants. They itch a lot. Can you send me a small can of RAID? Though I'm not sure I want any striping in my undies :/ Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... You may be able to get away with RAID/5 for your personal debugging, Rob. [/snip] And if the personal debugging does not work certain parts are hot-swappable. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Thanks, Daniel, Robert and David ~ I'm struggling to maintain protocol here and I appreciate some of you mailing me privately. I would prefer to respond and use the list - but I'm still signed up for once-a-day delivery and have no idea how to change this option - yet. :-) I am VERY computer literate, and VERY message-oriented ILLITERATE. I have coded HTML for years, and although not a fancy programmer I think my pages are OK. Could be better, but OK. (http://www.miscelpage.com, http://www.boundarycountyfire.com, http://www.curleycreek.com, http://www.theonlinewriter.com, etc. etc., etc) PHP is new to me, and this page - http://www.mhfd32.com/index.php - seems to fly when loading fresh pages. For example, select 'Apparatus' from the Menu Options and watch how fast the center of the page loads... I know about bandwidth and server speed and latency and hardware/connectivity considerations. I suspect the programmer implementation of php functionality is the answer to my perceptions. Hence my dire need to understand how php can help me... :-) Like - what is a 'header'? Everything prior to the body statement? I don't think that's what is meant... John B. Moss Daniel ~ I got your message, and wonder how to 'modify my preferences'? I know you suggested I could unsubscribe and re-subscribe at the http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php link - is there a faster (better) way? Thank you. -Original Message- From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:16 AM To: Robert Cummings Cc: John Moss; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners On 10/31/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 07:29 -0700, John Moss wrote: Thank you, Daniel Brown, Richard Buskirk, Robert Cummings, David Giragosian ~ and anyone else who may have jumped in to my message within the last minute or two, trying to help me. No problem! I realize that I might not be permitted to show a page (provide a URL) as an illustration of my point - I am certainly not advertising anything. The site in question belongs to a volunteer fire department, and I am donating my time trying to create a comparable page for my own volunteer fire department. You're not only allowed to post links, but you're encouraged to do so, especially if there's a problem or error message that we should be able to see to help you to debug the issue. So feel free to post links to examples, so long as it's not SPAM'ing the hell out of the list for penis pills and the like. I'm sure you'll find more than one (myself included) volunteer firefighters, EMTs, and rescuers on here, in fact. PHP is merely an interpreter. The speed of any page to load in a browser depends on a number of factors. Four of the most important factors are the following: 1. what is being loaded? How much programming is necessary to achieve the outcome. 2. How fast is the server hardware that handles the processing. 3. How good is the connection to the remote server. This includes both bandwidth and latency (latency being the round trip time to make a request of any kind for the server). 4. How well did the programmer implement the functionality needed. It's one thing to have a heavy load of processing, it's another to use bad algorthms that bog down the server. Adding to Rob's points, it should be expanded on Point #3 that traffic will also be a major factor in the available bandwidth and latency. And to further the latency point, the round-trip time will usually take longer, logically, if your server is across the country than, say, in your home county. So the site you'd like to mimic may be hosted nearer to you than the physical machine hosting your department's current website. Keep in mind that, for locally-oriented websites, it's best to host as local as possible, since that's from where the vast majority of your traffic will originate. Finally on that point, browser processing speeds (due to local CPU/RAM/other constraints) may have either a positive or negative impact on the experience. Expanding Point #1, keep in mind that graphic- and media-intensive websites (including Flash) will no doubt take longer to fully load. Lastly, expanding on Point #4, not only does it depend on how well the underlying code was written, but also how much pre-processing is required of PHP (or whatever server-side dynamic language is being used) for each time the page is requested. If there is caching in place, or functions and routines are only called when absolutely necessary. My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Give a man a fish, he'll eat
RE: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
[snip] Hi ~ is there a 'best way' to address a list, like 'Hi everyone'? [/snip] 'Your royal highnesses' or 'Gurus and Gurettes' [snip] As said in a previous message I have many web sites, and lately have run aground trying to determine how php is able to load related site pages so quickly? Is it OK to provide a URL as an illustration of my point - I am certainly not advertising anything. The site in question belongs to a volunteer fire department (http://www.mhfd32.com/index.php), and I am donating my time trying to create a comparable page for my own volunteer fire department. What I'm trying to accomplish for myself is the speed which is evident in loading the centerpieces as you click on the bulleted items, left center. [/snip] Looks like they are using a basic template with a header, footer and body. Since the header and footer are cached thy load much more quickly. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
[snip] Like - what is a 'header'? Everything prior to the body statement? I don't think that's what is meant... [/snip] A header/footer is a separate HTML/PHP page that is included with the page call; ?php include(header.html); do stuff in the body include(footer.html); ? All you have to do is create the header and/or footer and include them with each page. Since the content is typically static in these included files they are cached and therefore loaded from cache each time they are called making things very quick. This is your very first step in creating reusable components for your web applications. You can see that this will become a very powerful tool/technique. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
Thanks Jay, I'll try it. I know how to include, but haven't seen any php code yet except what you've illustrated. Now I have the concept and will do some testing. I appreciate this list being available to ask specific php questions - and I thank you for your time and help. Much appreciated - ~ John PS. I unsubscribed and resubscribed so as to get individual responses. Am now definitely getting more mail than I know what to do with - :-) -Original Message- From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:12 AM To: John Moss; Daniel Brown; Robert Cummings Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners [snip] Like - what is a 'header'? Everything prior to the body statement? I don't think that's what is meant... [/snip] A header/footer is a separate HTML/PHP page that is included with the page call; ?php include(header.html); do stuff in the body include(footer.html); ? All you have to do is create the header and/or footer and include them with each page. Since the content is typically static in these included files they are cached and therefore loaded from cache each time they are called making things very quick. This is your very first step in creating reusable components for your web applications. You can see that this will become a very powerful tool/technique. My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Reaching the PHP mailing list owners
I am VERY computer literate, and VERY message-oriented ILLITERATE. I have coded HTML for years, and although not a fancy programmer I think my pages are OK. Could be better, but OK. (http://www.miscelpage.com, http://www.boundarycountyfire.com, http://www.curleycreek.com, http://www.theonlinewriter.com, etc. etc., etc) One thing to watch - it's not strictly a PHP problem but it may influence the speed of your pages - is that your pages aren't valid html, see the results from the validator below:- http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boundarycountyfire.comcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miscelpage.comcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theonlinewriter.com%2Fcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0 Best to get these fixed before you go much further. Cheers Alan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing list combined with PHP based forum
On Tuesday 16 January 2007 03:27, Dave M G wrote: PHP Users, I'm creating a PHP based forum, and what I'd like to do is have it work so that people can view and read the information via email, just like a mailing list The mailing part just need some kind of user list... with particulary an email address as part of the information information. Thereafter you just need to make php send mail to all the users on the list with an option to choose not to send to ignorant users ;) Yahoo! Groups does this, so I know this sort of thing is possible in principle. Somewhere down here I get confused do you, as you said with the top statement, just want to read and view? OR do you want the whole package? But so far as I can tell, open source PHP based forums, like phpBB and Simple Machines, don't commonly have this feature. Perhaps it's not possible with PHP? Anyway... here is what we did to get the commodities to let a mail be included on a webpage: It is very possible, me and a friend, built a plugin system for Second Life; Send information to a webpage with mail, of people loggin in on the webpage or the game... we never got around to do the chat part cuz jabber server did the job for us, witch integrated both the web and game cross chatting. We did get the mail messaging working and recognizing ppl from game to the webpage, all information was written to a user database. We had no intentions of building a forum since live chat for 3g mobile phones was our goal, but a forum sounds quite easy in comparison, at a first glance that is... I would imagine this is accomplished with a Cron job that checks an email account and passes the messages to the PHP system for parsing into the forum. Could be, rather I think some engine like the jabber server would be to prefer... Check out the 2.x branch. Can anyone start me off with some tips as to how, and if, this might be possible? A cron would maby be easier to both work and not so tought on the hardware; it would't be instant thou... Thanks for any advice or informaiton. -- Dave M G Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Kernel 2.6.17.7 Pentium D Dual Core Processor PHP 5, MySQL 5, Apache 2 -- --- Børge Kennel Arivene http://www.arivene.net --- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Mailing list combined with PHP based forum
PHP Users, I'm creating a PHP based forum, and what I'd like to do is have it work so that people can view and read the information via email, just like a mailing list. Yahoo! Groups does this, so I know this sort of thing is possible in principle. But so far as I can tell, open source PHP based forums, like phpBB and Simple Machines, don't commonly have this feature. Perhaps it's not possible with PHP? I would imagine this is accomplished with a Cron job that checks an email account and passes the messages to the PHP system for parsing into the forum. Can anyone start me off with some tips as to how, and if, this might be possible? Thanks for any advice or informaiton. -- Dave M G Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Kernel 2.6.17.7 Pentium D Dual Core Processor PHP 5, MySQL 5, Apache 2 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing list combined with PHP based forum
The closest I know of to that would be to use Drupal[1] with the Organic Groups[2] module and the og2list[3] module. You also need an MTA, of course. Disclaimer: I've not actually set up such a system. I've just seen it discussed as a reasonable facsimile. See the Drupal Groups[4] site for Organic Groups in action. [1] http://drupal.org/ [2] http://drupal.org/project/og [3] http://drupal.org/project/og2list [4] http://groups.drupal.org/ On Monday 15 January 2007 8:27 pm, Dave M G wrote: PHP Users, I'm creating a PHP based forum, and what I'd like to do is have it work so that people can view and read the information via email, just like a mailing list. Yahoo! Groups does this, so I know this sort of thing is possible in principle. But so far as I can tell, open source PHP based forums, like phpBB and Simple Machines, don't commonly have this feature. Perhaps it's not possible with PHP? I would imagine this is accomplished with a Cron job that checks an email account and passes the messages to the PHP system for parsing into the forum. Can anyone start me off with some tips as to how, and if, this might be possible? Thanks for any advice or informaiton. -- Dave M G Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Kernel 2.6.17.7 Pentium D Dual Core Processor PHP 5, MySQL 5, Apache 2 -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] php mailing list/email app
hey, can anyone tell me if there's a good/serious email/newsletter list manager app for php similar to 'python/mailman' thanks bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php mailing list/email app
try hotscripts.com On 9/6/05, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, can anyone tell me if there's a good/serious email/newsletter list manager app for php similar to 'python/mailman' thanks bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Mailing list delays
We found a problem caused by a recent disk failure that wiped out a named pipe qmail needed. I am hoping the mailing list delays should be fixed now. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing list delays
Thanks. *test* Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We found a problem caused by a recent disk failure that wiped out a named pipe qmail needed. I am hoping the mailing list delays should be fixed now. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing list delays
wow, got that in 20 seconds.. can we go for a record? ;) Sebastian wrote: Thanks. *test* Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We found a problem caused by a recent disk failure that wiped out a named pipe qmail needed. I am hoping the mailing list delays should be fixed now. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing list delays
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 17:15 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We found a problem caused by a recent disk failure that wiped out a named pipe qmail needed. I am hoping the mailing list delays should be fixed now. -Rasmus test signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [PHP] Mailing List
A form with a rich text box and a submit button. I've got not idea what a rich text box is, so you're on your own for that part. Then someone suggested urlencode however that encoded the entire message, so they got Click%20the%20link%20below.. You want to use urlencode, but *only* on the filename part. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HELP TO GET OUT OF PHP MAILING LIST
I did not subscribe to it in the first place There goes that nefarious PHP-General again, randomly subscribing unsuspecting innocents as part of its evil master plan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Mailing List
Hi I have two pages 1) A form with a rich text box and a submit button. 2) A page which receives the value from the rich text box and emails out to addresses in a column in a table For the rich text box its default value is a message saying: Click the link below to download the latest newsletter and a link which get the file path from a table in the db. Users can then add a message above the link to the newsletter. Now this all works fine except for the link, (and any other links I make using the rich text box), firstly when the form is posted a \ is placed before the , ie a href\url.com.au\Link/a which renders the link useless. Someone suggested stripslashes, which I put on the second page where it receives the variable; $_POST['msg'], this did remove the slashes however I then had a problem with spaces in the file path for the newsletter, ie; url.com/testfile.pdf would be sent instead of url.com/test file.pdf which it should be. Then someone suggested urlencode however that encoded the entire message, so they got Click%20the%20link%20below.. If anyone could help I would be most grateful, I want to be able to send these default links from the rich text box as well as allow users to add links in the rich text box. Cheers, Simon
[PHP] HELP TO GET OUT OF PHP MAILING LIST
Hello everyone, I just need your assistance on how to unsubscribe from PHP mail list. I have tried all the automated approach but no luck. The system keeps rejecting my unsubscribe request. I get more than 200 unsolicited mailS on PHP daily that do not mean anything to me because I did not subscribe to it in the first place - not a computer guru. Any help to lead me to effectively unsubscribe will be well appreciated. My mail box has been overtaken completely by this service which is of no value to me. Regards, Biodun stg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am having a small issue with posting from forms; It goes like such: I have a form in which a user can type in a message and in a hidden text field a link is sent, then in the page the form goes to it sends and email to a mailing list with the message and a link underneath bottom. However when I submit a hyperlink in a form like [input] href=http://localhost/knewsl/; It is received in the next page with a \ before everyfor example: Click here to view newsletter - Which obviously doesn't work. I would be most grateful if anyone could help. Cheers, Simon - Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
Re: [PHP] Mailing List Tool
this list runs on emlzm i do believe...and that is a tool you could use... On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:11:21 -0500, GH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does someone know of a mailing list tool that runs via PHP that can check periodically (ie via a scheduled task) an email account for a message and then send it out to an entire list of addresses? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now you have my $0.02. Or .01 Pounds, .014 Euros, or $0.025 CAN. I'm world-wide BABY! PHP rocks! Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. Go to school, become evil Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. However, I must say that the ENTIRE contents of this message are subject to other's criticism, corrections, and speculations. This message is Certified Virus Free -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List Tool
GH wrote: Does someone know of a mailing list tool that runs via PHP that can check periodically (ie via a scheduled task) an email account for a message and then send it out to an entire list of addresses? http://php.net/imap http://php.net/mail I think all the code you need is in the User Contributed notes on these two pages. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Mailing List Tool
Does someone know of a mailing list tool that runs via PHP that can check periodically (ie via a scheduled task) an email account for a message and then send it out to an entire list of addresses? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] mailing list spam protection?
regarding spamcease, what i had suspected appears to be the case. it appears that this is an app of some sort, looking for emails, or it's just a badly written/f*ed up app... i got a msg stating that i had signed up, using my email address, stating that i should enter my information, etc... i've never signed up... as i stated before... if you get the msgs.. just delete and keep going... peace... given that spamcease appears to be popping up regarding various lists... the app might actually be trawling for email/user information... i've recieved the email from this list, as well as the mysql list.. search google and you'll find the same message from other lists... i'm pretty certain that the give lists haven't signed up to the service... i'd simply delete the msgs, and keep going..!! -Original Message- From: Brian Krausz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] mailing list spam protection? While I'm trying not to be paranoid of spam, I received 3 copies of this message, and it seemed suspicious. Is this a legit email? (I didn't know who else to ask besides the actual mailing list users) I included all the relevant headers... From - Tue Jul 20 10:49:01 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 663 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: from softdnserror (HELO tgpnexus.com) (66.17.150.83) by techfu.org with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by tgpnexus.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K79I127056; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IMPORTANT: Please Verify Your Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-verify: request Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] is currently protecting themselves from receiving junk mail using Spamcease Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails. You won't have to do this again. http://www.tgpwizards.com/spamcease2/verify.php?id=346542 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] mailing list spam protection?
Quoting bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i got a msg stating that i had signed up, using my email address, stating that i should enter my information, etc... i've never signed up... as i stated before... if you get the msgs.. just delete and keep going... To me it seems like a company making anti-spam apps tries to promote their product through... spam. And they tried to make it elaborate by aledgedly speaking on behalf of well known communities. Nice way of making themselves popular (not) within those very communities... -- Romanian Web Developers - http://ROWD.ORG -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] mailing list spam protection?
While I'm trying not to be paranoid of spam, I received 3 copies of this message, and it seemed suspicious. Is this a legit email? (I didn't know who else to ask besides the actual mailing list users) I included all the relevant headers... From - Tue Jul 20 10:49:01 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 663 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: from softdnserror (HELO tgpnexus.com) (66.17.150.83) by techfu.org with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by tgpnexus.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K79I127056; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IMPORTANT: Please Verify Your Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-verify: request Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] is currently protecting themselves from receiving junk mail using Spamcease Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails. You won't have to do this again. http://www.tgpwizards.com/spamcease2/verify.php?id=346542 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] mailing list spam protection?
[snip] While I'm trying not to be paranoid of spam, I received 3 copies of this message, and it seemed suspicious. Is this a legit email? (I didn't know who else to ask besides the actual mailing list users) I included all the relevant headers... [/snip] There has been extensive discussion about this for the past two days. A subscibed user of the list is having all of his e-mail screened for spam. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mailing list spam protection?
Brian Krausz wrote: While I'm trying not to be paranoid of spam, I received 3 copies of this message, and it seemed suspicious. Is this a legit email? (I didn't know who else to ask besides the actual mailing list users) I included all the relevant headers... It's probably and end user who uses this crap on an email address that they sign up to a mailing list with. If you message came thru without clicking on anything, it's not for this mailing list. -- John C. Nichel KegWorks.com 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] mailing list spam protection?
given that spamcease appears to be popping up regarding various lists... the app might actually be trawling for email/user information... i've recieved the email from this list, as well as the mysql list.. search google and you'll find the same message from other lists... i'm pretty certain that the give lists haven't signed up to the service... i'd simply delete the msgs, and keep going..!! -Original Message- From: Brian Krausz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] mailing list spam protection? While I'm trying not to be paranoid of spam, I received 3 copies of this message, and it seemed suspicious. Is this a legit email? (I didn't know who else to ask besides the actual mailing list users) I included all the relevant headers... From - Tue Jul 20 10:49:01 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 663 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: from softdnserror (HELO tgpnexus.com) (66.17.150.83) by techfu.org with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by tgpnexus.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K79I127056; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IMPORTANT: Please Verify Your Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-verify: request Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] is currently protecting themselves from receiving junk mail using Spamcease Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails. You won't have to do this again. http://www.tgpwizards.com/spamcease2/verify.php?id=346542 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mailing list spam protection?
PLEASE read the previous threads about this. NO, it is not the list. YES, it is legit. A *list user* signed up for it. On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:52:40 -0700, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: given that spamcease appears to be popping up regarding various lists... the app might actually be trawling for email/user information... i've recieved the email from this list, as well as the mysql list.. search google and you'll find the same message from other lists... i'm pretty certain that the give lists haven't signed up to the service... i'd simply delete the msgs, and keep going..!! -Original Message- From: Brian Krausz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] mailing list spam protection? While I'm trying not to be paranoid of spam, I received 3 copies of this message, and it seemed suspicious. Is this a legit email? (I didn't know who else to ask besides the actual mailing list users) I included all the relevant headers... From - Tue Jul 20 10:49:01 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 663 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: from softdnserror (HELO tgpnexus.com) (66.17.150.83) by techfu.org with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 07:13:21 - Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by tgpnexus.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i6K79I127056; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IMPORTANT: Please Verify Your Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-verify: request Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] is currently protecting themselves from receiving junk mail using Spamcease Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails. You won't have to do this again. http://www.tgpwizards.com/spamcease2/verify.php?id=346542 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php !DSPAM:40fd5b80164973700921275! -- DB_DataObject_FormBuilder - The database at your fingertips http://pear.php.net/package/DB_DataObject_FormBuilder paperCrane --Justin Patrin-- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Advanced PHP Mailing List?
Hi, Don't mind if I ask this, but are there any other large PHP mailing lists out there that target the mid to high range of PHP development? This list is great, and incredible for beginners, but a large portion of it is stuff like what's broken with this code (simple typo) and how do I write SQL and discussing plain weird problems, often due to pretty simple user error. Really, this is very important to the community for this kind of zero-prerequisite list to exist. But I'm wondering if there are more complex lists where I might at least start just listening and see what's going on. I would like to hear about very complex, high-end PHP coding and techniques and perhaps interact a little too. Anyone got suggestions? Anyone else have the same interest? Feel free to reply off-list if you don't think this is on-topic. -Galen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Advanced PHP Mailing List?
I use 12All from Active campaign... Great site, GREAT support... and the code was not beyond me in most places... Galen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/2004 08:58 To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject [PHP] Advanced PHP Mailing List? Hi, Don't mind if I ask this, but are there any other large PHP mailing lists out there that target the mid to high range of PHP development? This list is great, and incredible for beginners, but a large portion of it is stuff like what's broken with this code (simple typo) and how do I write SQL and discussing plain weird problems, often due to pretty simple user error. Really, this is very important to the community for this kind of zero-prerequisite list to exist. But I'm wondering if there are more complex lists where I might at least start just listening and see what's going on. I would like to hear about very complex, high-end PHP coding and techniques and perhaps interact a little too. Anyone got suggestions? Anyone else have the same interest? Feel free to reply off-list if you don't think this is on-topic. -Galen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php * The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. *** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Advanced PHP Mailing List?
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Re: [PHP] Advanced PHP Mailing List?
Hello Galen, Friday, March 5, 2004, 8:58:50 AM, you wrote: G But I'm wondering if there are more complex lists where I might at G least start just listening and see what's going on. I would like to G hear about very complex, high-end PHP coding and techniques and G perhaps interact a little too. G Anyone got suggestions? Anyone else have the same interest? I'm not aware of any list like this yet - but I am aware of the need for one. Keep an eye on the phpcommunity.org website - it is something we can offer when launched. That is a good few months away yet, but things are progressing well. -- Best regards, Richard Davey http://www.phpcommunity.org/wiki/296.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List
I would like to setup a mailing list for my company. I have a database containing email address of my clients along with other details. How can I send them mails ? If i write a script containing the mail function and loop the address, I think that might generate a script timeout error. I feel increasing the script timeout is not a good solution. I would like to know how you manage such situations. I feel this is a common problem but i didnt find any solution on the net. Do I need to use any sw or are there any already available scripts. I built a queuing system to email to a large list. The general approach is to add a database table that stores the email message and tracks progress through the list. A PHP script called by a crontab checks the database to see if a mailing is in progress. If so, it selects a certain number of addresses and sends the message. By controlling the number of addresses selected and how often the crontab calls the script, the email rate is controlled. And using a crontab makes it a background process. The email message is created and list progress monitored through a content management system. -- Lowell Allen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mailing List
PHPLover -- ...and then PHPLover said... % % Dear All, % % I would like to setup a mailing list for my company. Then set up a mailing list. % I have a database containing email address of my clients along with other % details. That's good. % How can I send them mails ? I would highly recommend ezmlm for mailing list software. It does a fantastic job. Now if you actually mean to send customized letters you'll have to inject each one singly, which really gets time-consuming. In either case, I would avoid having php do your actual mailing; use the web interface for selecting recipients, creating your message body, and whatnot, but then hand off the actual mailing work to a separate process (and don't expect to wait until it finishes). % If i write a script containing the mail function and loop the address, I % think that might generate a script timeout error. I feel increasing the % script timeout is not a good solution. I would like to know how you manage We run a fan / marketing site for various clients (bands, video game companies, whatnot) which offer content for those interested, a vanity email address, and regular newsletters offsite to the base addresses. Through moderate but not insane tuning I've managed to get our mail processing down to about 120ms per message; that gives me in excess of 25k messages queued per hour, which is near our target of 60k emails within two hours (and of course some of those take longer because of timeouts and retries and such). Even so, there's obviously no way that a web browser would wait around for that kind of delay. We follow a model similar to that of another poster; our subscribers are in a database along with the massmail info and a cron job checks for queued jobs and processes them. It would be a lot easier if we could send out a general letter, but fans like it when you address them by name and so on :-/ % such situations. I feel this is a common problem but i didnt find any % solution on the net. Do I need to use any sw or are there any already % available scripts. I agree that it's a common problem. The reason you didn't find your answers was because you looked for the wrong ones :-) % % Thanks a Lot !! % Long Live PHP !! % % Thanks Regards, % ___ % PHPLover % Göd döësn't pläy dícë. % - Älbërt Ëínstëín Is there something wrong with your vowels? HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mary Baker Eddy, Science and Health http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[PHP] Mailing List
Dear All, I would like to setup a mailing list for my company. I have a database containing email address of my clients along with other details. How can I send them mails ? If i write a script containing the mail function and loop the address, I think that might generate a script timeout error. I feel increasing the script timeout is not a good solution. I would like to know how you manage such situations. I feel this is a common problem but i didnt find any solution on the net. Do I need to use any sw or are there any already available scripts. Thanks a Lot !! Long Live PHP !! Thanks Regards, ___ PHPLover Göd döësn't pläy dícë. - Älbërt Ëínstëín -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Mailing List
Allowing scripts to run without some kind of time limit may not be prudent, but settling for the timelimit imposed on online web pages is not reasonable either. I would recommend you reset the time limit to something reasonable to perform your email tasks on the computer you have available. http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.set-time-limit.php As long as you don't have a run away program, I can't think of any reason not to allow it to have the time it needs to get the job done. Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PHPLover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] Mailing List Dear All, I would like to setup a mailing list for my company. I have a database containing email address of my clients along with other details. How can I send them mails ? If i write a script containing the mail function and loop the address, I think that might generate a script timeout error. I feel increasing the script timeout is not a good solution. I would like to know how you manage such situations. I feel this is a common problem but i didnt find any solution on the net. Do I need to use any sw or are there any already available scripts. Thanks a Lot !! Long Live PHP !! Thanks Regards, ___ PHPLover Göd döësn't pläy dícë. - Älbërt Ëínstëín -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: SESSIONMANAGEMENT -- gute php mailing list / gute leute
Christoph Lockingen wrote: Hallo ! Ich bin auf der Suche nach einer guten PHP Mailing-Liste, am besten in Deutsch...Falls ich hier falsch bin, bitte ich um Entschuldigung. Ist grundsätzlich eine internationale Mailinglist (daher Englisch) :). 1. Wieso kann ich nicht per $_GET['lid'] auf $_POST['lid']=lf_session_id(); zugreifen? (Danach ist ein Header(Location... drin - der überschreibt?) Per $_GET auf $_POST? Was genau willst Du erreichen? 2. Wie bekomme ich ein vernünftiges Sessionmanagement OHNE COOKIES hin? Eingesetzt wird PHP 4.2.2. Bei dieser PHP-Version funktioniert das nicht, wie beschrieben. Bug? (scheint so, schonmal nach gegoogled) session_start(); liefert immer neue werte... es wird keine session übernommen. PHP kann HTML Code automatisch so umschreiben, daß die SID enthalten ist. Bei PHP 4.2 muß man das beim Kompilieren aber manuell angeben mit --enable-trans-sid. Mehr Information dazu unter http://at2.php.net/manual/de/ref.session.php#session.idpassing Alexander -- PINO - The free Chatsystem! Available at http://www.pino.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] SESSIONMANAGEMENT -- gute php mailing list / gute leute
Wenn Sie nicht Plätzchen benutzen möchten, können Sie es in die Frage Zeichenkette mit einschließen... Das PHP Handbuch gibt Beispiele von diesem... zum Beispiel, PHPSESSID/SID etwas wie das. Ideal was Sie tun möchten, soll diese alle möglichen Formdaten oder -verbindungen in Ihrer Anwendung voranstellen Eingang type=hidden name=PHPSESSID Wert = oder ein href=page.php?PHPSESSID=$PHPSESSID oder etwas mögen das... On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 14:16, christoph lockingen wrote: Hallo ! Ich bin auf der Suche nach einer guten PHP Mailing-Liste, am besten in Deutsch...Falls ich hier falsch bin, bitte ich um Entschuldigung. Problem: SESSION-MANAGEMENT Achtung! !! session.use_cookies=0 !! (und sollen es auch bleiben) 1. Wieso kann ich nicht per $_GET['lid'] auf $_POST['lid']=lf_session_id(); zugreifen? (Danach ist ein Header(Location... drin - der überschreibt?) 2. Wie bekomme ich ein vernünftiges Sessionmanagement OHNE COOKIES hin? Eingesetzt wird PHP 4.2.2. Bei dieser PHP-Version funktioniert das nicht, wie beschrieben. Bug? (scheint so, schonmal nach gegoogled) session_start(); liefert immer neue werte... es wird keine session übernommen. 3. Probiert habe ich bereits auch eine CLASS zu schaffen, diese ist jedoch nicht global erreichbar (nach Redirect) Ich bin für jeden Tipp dankbar, der mich weniger verzweifeln läßt. Tausend Dank ! Christoph Lockingen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] SESSIONMANAGEMENT -- gute php mailing list / gute leute
Hallo ! Ich bin auf der Suche nach einer guten PHP Mailing-Liste, am besten in Deutsch...Falls ich hier falsch bin, bitte ich um Entschuldigung. Problem: SESSION-MANAGEMENT Achtung! !! session.use_cookies=0 !! (und sollen es auch bleiben) 1. Wieso kann ich nicht per $_GET['lid'] auf $_POST['lid']=lf_session_id(); zugreifen? (Danach ist ein Header(Location... drin - der überschreibt?) 2. Wie bekomme ich ein vernünftiges Sessionmanagement OHNE COOKIES hin? Eingesetzt wird PHP 4.2.2. Bei dieser PHP-Version funktioniert das nicht, wie beschrieben. Bug? (scheint so, schonmal nach gegoogled) session_start(); liefert immer neue werte... es wird keine session übernommen. 3. Probiert habe ich bereits auch eine CLASS zu schaffen, diese ist jedoch nicht global erreichbar (nach Redirect) Ich bin für jeden Tipp dankbar, der mich weniger verzweifeln läßt. Tausend Dank ! Christoph Lockingen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] SESSIONMANAGEMENT -- gute php mailing list / gute leute
Babelfish: I am on the search for a good PHP mailing list, best in German... case I here wrong am, please I around apology. Problem: SESSION MANAGEMENT Note! !! session.use_cookies=0!! (and it is to also remain) 1. Why I can not by $_get['lid ' ] on $_post['lid']=lf_session_id(); access? (afterwards is a Header(Location... in it - overwrites?) 2. How do I get a reasonable session management WITHOUT COOKIES? PHP 4.2.2 is used. With this PHP version that does not function, as described. Nose? (seems so, already times after gegoogled) session_start(); always new worth... it does not supply a session is taken over. 3. Tried I already also a CLASS to create, these am however not global attainable (after Redirect) I am for everyone tap gratefully, which lets me despair less. Thousand thanks! Christoph Lockingen It seems like he's trying to write the session ID to the $_POST array, which reminds me of a bad idea. I think his goal is to use sessions without using cookies. Anybody who speaks german care to answer? Or perhaps use babelfish? On Tuesday 28 October 2003 12:16 pm, christoph lockingen wrote: Hallo ! Ich bin auf der Suche nach einer guten PHP Mailing-Liste, am besten in Deutsch...Falls ich hier falsch bin, bitte ich um Entschuldigung. Problem: SESSION-MANAGEMENT Achtung! !! session.use_cookies=0 !! (und sollen es auch bleiben) 1. Wieso kann ich nicht per $_GET['lid'] auf $_POST['lid']=lf_session_id(); zugreifen? (Danach ist ein Header(Location... drin - der überschreibt?) 2. Wie bekomme ich ein vernünftiges Sessionmanagement OHNE COOKIES hin? Eingesetzt wird PHP 4.2.2. Bei dieser PHP-Version funktioniert das nicht, wie beschrieben. Bug? (scheint so, schonmal nach gegoogled) session_start(); liefert immer neue werte... es wird keine session übernommen. 3. Probiert habe ich bereits auch eine CLASS zu schaffen, diese ist jedoch nicht global erreichbar (nach Redirect) Ich bin für jeden Tipp dankbar, der mich weniger verzweifeln läßt. Tausend Dank ! Christoph Lockingen -- Evan Nemerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The greatest mistake is to imagine that the human being is an autonomous individual. The secret freedom which you can supposedly enjoy under a despotic government is nonsense, because your thoughts are never entirely your own. Philosophers, writers, artists, even scientists, not only need encouragement and an audience, they need constant stimulation from other people. It is almost impossible to think without talking. If Defoe had really lived on a desert island, he could not have written Robinson Crusoe, nor would he have wanted to. Take away freedom of speech, and the creative faculties dry up. -George Orwell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
Richard, et al -- ...and then Richard Baskett said... % % on 10/21/03 16:40, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % % % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with ... % % A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was % tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) % % It seems like it would be ok to have it sent to the person that asked the % question... And then if they did not want to receive those notices, then % they could opt out of that.. That sounds a lot like opt-out spam. Is it OK for me to send you lots of unsolicted, form-letter, machine-generated emails? :-) It wasn't pretty. % % Rick HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mary Baker Eddy, Science and Health http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
on 10/22/03 13:32, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, et al -- ...and then Richard Baskett said... % % on 10/21/03 16:40, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % % % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with ... % % A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was % tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) % % It seems like it would be ok to have it sent to the person that asked the % question... And then if they did not want to receive those notices, then % they could opt out of that.. That sounds a lot like opt-out spam. Is it OK for me to send you lots of unsolicted, form-letter, machine-generated emails? :-) It wasn't pretty. I understand what you are saying, but if it's part of the agreement when you sign up for the php-general mailing list.. then... And at any time you can opt in again if you wanted. Or if that is still too intrusive then have a little notice at the bottom of each php-general mailing along with the other footer stuff and let people opt in that way from the beginning... Rick Beauty of whatever kind, in its supreme development, invariably excites the sensitive soul to tears. - Edgar Allan Poe -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
Hello All-- I'd have to agree with Richard in that there doesn't seem to be a good way to make this idea fly--at the very least, it would be annoying (also because there really is no way to guarantee that the results would be entirely relevant to the contents of the message). I've sent an e-mail to the php.net webmaster asking their opinion on adding a link to the archives (maybe to all of them, although personally I think that would be confusing) to the signature that gets added to each message that goes through the list. We'll see what they think... any support we can muster from the list itself will certainly help ;-) Cheers Marco Richard Baskett wrote: on 10/22/03 13:32, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, et al -- ...and then Richard Baskett said... % % on 10/21/03 16:40, David T-G at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % ...and then Marco Tabini said... % % % % php.general for new messages and send back an e-mail to the list with ... % % A nice idea, but terribly difficult to implement practically. It was % tried on the mutt-users list and the manitainer was roundly flamed :-) % % It seems like it would be ok to have it sent to the person that asked the % question... And then if they did not want to receive those notices, then % they could opt out of that.. That sounds a lot like opt-out spam. Is it OK for me to send you lots of unsolicted, form-letter, machine-generated emails? :-) It wasn't pretty. I understand what you are saying, but if it's part of the agreement when you sign up for the php-general mailing list.. then... And at any time you can opt in again if you wanted. Or if that is still too intrusive then have a little notice at the bottom of each php-general mailing along with the other footer stuff and let people opt in that way from the beginning... Rick Beauty of whatever kind, in its supreme development, invariably excites the sensitive soul to tears. - Edgar Allan Poe -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
Hello Everyone-- I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. It's still a bit experimental, and some features don't work as best as they could. However, it should be fairly functional, and the full-text search engine can be helpful if you're looking for fast answers to problems that are often asked on the mailing lists. It's there for everyone to try, and please feel free to drop me a note if you think something doesn't quite work the way it should or if you have ideas about possible enhancement. At the present time, one of the things we're working on is filtering the messages trough SpamAssassin and allowing for the possibility to exclude messages marked as spam from the search results. We built our archive because we found it difficult to find a good search resource dedicated only to the PHP mailing lists. I hope it will help you, as well. Cheers, Marco Tabini php|architect -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
From: Marco Tabini [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. Everyone go check it out. The thread view and highlighting really make the search results useful. You can never have to many archives; now if we can just get people (new people) using them. ;) Ma Siva Kumar, Any chance you can add this to the [Newbie Guide] you regularly send out? Thanks, ---John Holmes... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] (ANNOUNCE) New PHP mailing list *searchable* archives
V. nice. All the more importnat ot NOT HIJAC threads. Miles At 10:07 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, Marco Tabini wrote: Hello Everyone-- I wanted to let you know about a new initiative that php|architect has launched: the Searchable PHP Mailing List Archive, which can be found at http://phparch.com/mailinglists. This is a fully searchable archive of the PHP mailing lists with an attempt to build proper threading, keyword highlight, automatic quoted text indentation and a few other features. It's still a bit experimental, and some features don't work as best as they could. However, it should be fairly functional, and the full-text search engine can be helpful if you're looking for fast answers to problems that are often asked on the mailing lists. It's there for everyone to try, and please feel free to drop me a note if you think something doesn't quite work the way it should or if you have ideas about possible enhancement. At the present time, one of the things we're working on is filtering the messages trough SpamAssassin and allowing for the possibility to exclude messages marked as spam from the search results. We built our archive because we found it difficult to find a good search resource dedicated only to the PHP mailing lists. I hope it will help you, as well. Cheers, Marco Tabini php|architect -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
