Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:23:15 +0100, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. [/snip] Please NO PHP.NET === ACCCKKK The .NET compiler for PHP exists for many years. It was created by students of the Charles University in Prague. Martin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. [/snip] Please NO PHP.NET === ACCCKKK The .NET compiler for PHP exists for many years. It is created and managed by students of the Charles University in Prague. Martin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On 11/6/06, Martin Cetkovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. [/snip] Please NO PHP.NET === ACCCKKK The .NET compiler for PHP exists for many years. It is created and managed by students of the Charles University in Prague. There are already two such compilers, phlanger, and php4mono. You could probably also user quercus, and ikvm if you wanted to. I can imagine playing around with php4mono, or quercus at some stage, but I can't see myself going near Phalanger. This is mainly due to its dirty licence: A few extracts: You may not modify the Software., You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation., and Your rights under the License end automatically if you breach it in any way. combined with The Software includes libraries in its distribution package (directory Extensions) that are part of the PHP software I therefore have a negative viewpoint on the developers, given their failure to distribute phlanger under an apahe-style licence similar to that used by the real PHP.
RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
I'd say to just use the Zend Core for Windows. If you want to use Visual Studio to edit PHP files, I have seen some information about how to do it that doesn't involve any PHP compilers. As Zend and MS work together Zend Core for Windows will only get more and more stable. I'm pretty sure that Zend Core can be freely downloaded as well. http://www.zend.com/products/zend_core/windows_preview Ray PS. Sorry about the top-post, but I recently moved to Outlook, and I haven't bothered to configure it for bottom-posting yet. -Original Message- From: Rory Browne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:50 PM To: Martin Cetkovsky Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend On 11/6/06, Martin Cetkovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. [/snip] Please NO PHP.NET === ACCCKKK The .NET compiler for PHP exists for many years. It is created and managed by students of the Charles University in Prague. There are already two such compilers, phlanger, and php4mono. You could probably also user quercus, and ikvm if you wanted to. I can imagine playing around with php4mono, or quercus at some stage, but I can't see myself going near Phalanger. This is mainly due to its dirty licence: A few extracts: You may not modify the Software., You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation., and Your rights under the License end automatically if you breach it in any way. combined with The Software includes libraries in its distribution package (directory Extensions) that are part of the PHP software I therefore have a negative viewpoint on the developers, given their failure to distribute phlanger under an apahe-style licence similar to that used by the real PHP. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
A bit out of topic perhaps, but is this the time to see Steve Balmer and his developers dance all over again? ;) H On 11/3/06, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, November 3, 2006 12:36 pm, Curt Zirzow wrote: Here is the actual demo given: http://blogs.iis.net/bills/archive/2006/10/31/PHP-on-IIS.aspx As seen my numbers were off a little bit from memory. I'm not sure exactly what the kernel cache is, it is some thing the file http.sys thing does and handles requests before IIS even sees them, I'm thinking it probably is like a thttpd type of server. My reading of that URL makes it sound like a Squid cache, with configurable GET args being seen as relevant. But, heh, 100 to 6000 improvement is definitely good for Windows users. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
Here is the actual demo given: http://blogs.iis.net/bills/archive/2006/10/31/PHP-on-IIS.aspx As seen my numbers were off a little bit from memory. I'm not sure exactly what the kernel cache is, it is some thing the file http.sys thing does and handles requests before IIS even sees them, I'm thinking it probably is like a thttpd type of server. Curt. On 11/2/06, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, November 1, 2006 5:53 pm, Curt Zirzow wrote: On 11/1/06, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. MS added a FastCGI module to IIS. Thats the big thing. They demo'd it at the zend conference with IIS7 on vista (installed on a macbook pro), there is also a bunch of work zend has done to improve speed.. the non improved php5 version benched like 30 requests/sec, the zend patched version did over 100 requests/sec. Then they demo'd the kernel cache; 6500 requests/sec. (and no i didn't typo and add an extra zero). Could you expand the term kernel cache to a formal name so I know if that's an MS technology I don't care about, or a general Zend technology that might apply to LAMP, which I'd be interested in reading more about? Thanks. Cuz, frankly, 6500 per sec is nice, but not at the expense of Windows and its inherent out-of-the-box instability versus the years of l'arnin' I'd have to do to get a stable Win box. I don't even host my own sites -- I'd much rather pay some other guy $20/mo per site to let them have the 4am pager and reading every security bulletin to figure out what matters. And that's on LAMP! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 10:36 -0800, Curt Zirzow wrote: Here is the actual demo given: http://blogs.iis.net/bills/archive/2006/10/31/PHP-on-IIS.aspx As seen my numbers were off a little bit from memory. I'm not sure exactly what the kernel cache is, it is some thing the file http.sys thing does and handles requests before IIS even sees them, I'm thinking it probably is like a thttpd type of server. Looks to me like a static cache. Once PHP produces the content based on the URL parameters, subsequent requests just return the previously created content. Nothing special to see here. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Fri, November 3, 2006 12:36 pm, Curt Zirzow wrote: Here is the actual demo given: http://blogs.iis.net/bills/archive/2006/10/31/PHP-on-IIS.aspx As seen my numbers were off a little bit from memory. I'm not sure exactly what the kernel cache is, it is some thing the file http.sys thing does and handles requests before IIS even sees them, I'm thinking it probably is like a thttpd type of server. My reading of that URL makes it sound like a Squid cache, with configurable GET args being seen as relevant. But, heh, 100 to 6000 improvement is definitely good for Windows users. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
That test was very basic though. It's easy for the kernel to cache the same response, but it does at least show that it can/does improve performance. I think it would be silly to expect those kinds of numbers for every application. You also have to remember that the stability is based on the Windows server, which its track record isn't exactly as good as Linux/BSD systems. Ray Original Message Subject: Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend From: Curt Zirzow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, November 01, 2006 4:53 pm To: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED], php-general@lists.php.net On 11/1/06, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. MS added a FastCGI module to IIS. Thats the big thing. They demo'd it at the zend conference with IIS7 on vista (installed on a macbook pro), there is also a bunch of work zend has done to improve speed.. the non improved php5 version benched like 30 requests/sec, the zend patched version did over 100 requests/sec. Then they demo'd the kernel cache; 6500 requests/sec. (and no i didn't typo and add an extra zero). Curt. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Wed, November 1, 2006 5:53 pm, Curt Zirzow wrote: On 11/1/06, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. MS added a FastCGI module to IIS. Thats the big thing. They demo'd it at the zend conference with IIS7 on vista (installed on a macbook pro), there is also a bunch of work zend has done to improve speed.. the non improved php5 version benched like 30 requests/sec, the zend patched version did over 100 requests/sec. Then they demo'd the kernel cache; 6500 requests/sec. (and no i didn't typo and add an extra zero). Could you expand the term kernel cache to a formal name so I know if that's an MS technology I don't care about, or a general Zend technology that might apply to LAMP, which I'd be interested in reading more about? Thanks. Cuz, frankly, 6500 per sec is nice, but not at the expense of Windows and its inherent out-of-the-box instability versus the years of l'arnin' I'd have to do to get a stable Win box. I don't even host my own sites -- I'd much rather pay some other guy $20/mo per site to let them have the 4am pager and reading every security bulletin to figure out what matters. And that's on LAMP! -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
Original Message Could you expand the term kernel cache to a formal name so I know if that's an MS technology I don't care about, or a general Zend technology that might apply to LAMP, which I'd be interested in reading more about? Yeah, the kernel caching is through Microsoft's FastCGI implementation, not something from Zend. There might have been something in IIS 7 that deals with this, but I'm not completely sure on that. If people were interested MS said that the FastCGI stuff was available on the IIS website. Ray -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
No comments? http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/31/2047209.shtml Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. But everyone has a price, and you through enough money at something and you can make things happen (as M$ knows all to well). I also would NEVER (by choice) use M$ for a web server, not due to any anti-M$ sentiment (I use XP as my desktop), but just b/c I feel LAMP is just so integrated and works so well for this task, why fix what isn't broken. So personally I could give a shit if PHP works well on IIS. ÐÆ5ÏÐ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 11:37 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote: No comments? http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/31/2047209.shtml Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. I'm not worried, you can't kill open source with that tactic. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
It's great to see Microsoft be so supportive of PHP. Go Andi! :) Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. But everyone has a price, and you through enough money at something and you can make things happen (as M$ knows all to well). I also would NEVER (by choice) use M$ for a web server, not due to any anti-M$ sentiment (I use XP as my desktop), but just b/c I feel LAMP is just so integrated and works so well for this task, why fix what isn't broken. So personally I could give a shit if PHP works well on IIS. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Wed, November 1, 2006 1:37 pm, Daevid Vincent wrote: http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/31/2047209.shtml I think MS and PHP Devs have met before, in the hopes of getting better integration and performance. I'm sure this is a boon and a feather in their cap for Zend, but, ultimately, I don't see it making a huge difference in PHP, other than improving it a tiny bit for Windows users. Hopefully this boils down to somebody at Zend getting a crack at Longhorn/Vista/Whatever source to find optimizations. And maybe submit a patch or ten back to MS to fix some long-standing Windows issues. Perhaps even to tailor the Windows builds with even more #ifdef to get better performance/stability. But, again, with the millions of non-Windows users as the big install base, I don't changing much. Some Windows users will leave the dark side once they realize they can. Some Linux users may migrate back to Windows to keep tighter integration with other software, if Windows was actually finally stable. I'm predicting a tie in this race from that perspective :-) -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
ps... I wonder if .NET will ever support PHP *GRIN* On Nov 1, 2006, at 11:59 AM, Ed Lazor wrote: It's great to see Microsoft be so supportive of PHP. Go Andi! :) Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. But everyone has a price, and you through enough money at something and you can make things happen (as M$ knows all to well). I also would NEVER (by choice) use M$ for a web server, not due to any anti-M$ sentiment (I use XP as my desktop), but just b/c I feel LAMP is just so integrated and works so well for this task, why fix what isn't broken. So personally I could give a shit if PHP works well on IIS. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:37, Daevid Vincent wrote: No comments? http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/31/2047209.shtml Well once upon a time one of great M$ exec say We can write better software than OSS). After more than 3 or 4 years we still waiting better Browser, Web Server etc. I do not expect from M$ learn someting from ZEND and put into ASP.NET or someting like that. Php was already opensourced. If M$ wants to steal someting, code already there. In worst scenario, because of windows user base and windows based income ZEND may degraded Linux support or we may see new options or performance enhancements for windows only. so We will see that... Don't be afraid, GPL licence was uber protection for us. And thats why M$ execs calls it 'cancer'. Theri EEE tactics does not work aginst GPL. And writing windows native applications with php under Visual Studio may be interesting... Regards Sancar -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 23:08 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: On Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:37, Daevid Vincent wrote: No comments? http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/31/2047209.shtml Well once upon a time one of great M$ exec say We can write better software than OSS). After more than 3 or 4 years we still waiting better Browser, Web Server etc. I do not expect from M$ learn someting from ZEND and put into ASP.NET or someting like that. Php was already opensourced. If M$ wants to steal someting, code already there. In worst scenario, because of windows user base and windows based income ZEND may degraded Linux support or we may see new options or performance enhancements for windows only. so We will see that... Don't be afraid, GPL licence was uber protection for us. And thats why M$ execs calls it 'cancer'. Theri EEE tactics does not work aginst GPL. And writing windows native applications with php under Visual Studio may be interesting... PHP isn't GPL, it's free without the viral aspect. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
And writing windows native applications with php under Visual Studio may be interesting... I use RealBasic a lot for cross-platform development... it would be cool if PHP were the base language, instead of Basic *grin* -Ed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
This one time, at band camp, Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps... I wonder if .NET will ever support PHP *GRIN* or perhaps something to counter php-gtk... win32php that would would be interesting Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
http://www.winbinder.com much better than GTK if you work on Windows platforms and want standalone PHP apps :) And I can't find it now, but a few years ago when I was dipping my toe into the ASP.NET world to try to be compliant with Existing standards in a company I worked for (before abandoning it and just forcing them to allow me to use PHP :) I swear I saw something about PHP for .NET. -TG = = = Original message = = = This one time, at band camp, Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps... I wonder if .NET will ever support PHP *GRIN* or perhaps something to counter php-gtk... win32php that would would be interesting Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
-Original Message- From: Ed Lazor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:05 PM Cc: Daevid Vincent; PHP General Subject: Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend ps... I wonder if .NET will ever support PHP *GRIN* I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. DÆVID -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
[snip] I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. [/snip] Please NO PHP.NET === ACCCKKK -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
I don't think there's anything to worry about MS making any changes with PHP. I'm at the Zend conference righ t now, and they've had some talks about working with MS. Mostly they're trying to fix a lot of the segfaults and performance issues that PHP has on theh Win32 platform. You might see some changes in the future that pertain to Active Directory integration for single sign-on (other than ldap) and a few other Win32 based technologies. For Zend... you get more people using PHP, because now they can use PHP with confidence and ditch ASP if they need to ;) Ray Original Message Subject: RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend From: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, November 01, 2006 3:23 pm To: Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED], PHP General php-general@lists.php.net [snip] I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. [/snip] Please NO PHP.NET === ACCCKKK -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
I don't think there's anything to worry about MS making any changes with PHP. I'm at the Zend conference righ t now, and they've had some talks about working with MS. Mostly they're trying to fix a lot of the segfaults and performance issues that PHP has on theh Win32 platform. You might see some changes in the future that pertain to Active Directory integration for single sign-on (other than ldap) and a few other Win32 based technologies. For Zend... you get more people using PHP, because now they can use PHP with confidence and ditch ASP if they need to ;) Ray Original Message Subject: RE: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend From: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, November 01, 2006 3:23 pm To: Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED], PHP General php-general@lists.php.net [snip] I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. [/snip] Please NO PHP.NET === ACCCKKK -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 11/1/06, Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. MS added a FastCGI module to IIS. Thats the big thing. The real question is, why doesn't Apache have FastCGI as a core module? FastCGI does even compile with the general release of Apache anymore, without hacking the defines yourself. Little sites may be fine with php as cgi or as a module, but neither scales well like FastCGI. God help us all if FastCGI on Windows becomes the best (or only) supported way of doing FastCGI! -s -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 11/1/06, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm unsure. I would like to think that Zend is smart enough to realize M$ tactics of embrace/extend and will not allow that to happen. MS added a FastCGI module to IIS. Thats the big thing. They demo'd it at the zend conference with IIS7 on vista (installed on a macbook pro), there is also a bunch of work zend has done to improve speed.. the non improved php5 version benched like 30 requests/sec, the zend patched version did over 100 requests/sec. Then they demo'd the kernel cache; 6500 requests/sec. (and no i didn't typo and add an extra zero). Curt. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
Daevid Vincent wrote: -Original Message- From: Ed Lazor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:05 PM Cc: Daevid Vincent; PHP General Subject: Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend ps... I wonder if .NET will ever support PHP *GRIN* I guess that's sorta what I'm afraid of... PHP# (like the did to Java - J++ - C# ) Don't get me wrong. C# is a great language (probably one of the few things that M$ did right), and I'd LOVE to use a real IDE like Visual Studio to dev in... But I'm also terrified they'll pervert PHP. How? Microsoft's only weapon here is to make PHP work better on Windows. They can't in any way make it worse on non-Windows platforms. This is the sort of involvement we want from Microsoft. We want them to compete technologically as opposed to some of the crap we have seen from them over the years. And don't forget that press releases and partnerships mean very little to an open source project. They didn't partner with us, they partnered with Zend. That's not going to give them better access to commit code to PHP. The only slight negative as far as you are concerned could be that they may divert some Zend resources to work on Windows issues that aren't interesting to you. But consider that there are 1133 people with PHP cvs accounts. Only 11 work for Zend, and out of those 11 only 3 have committed anything substantial in the past year. Zend resources are already diverted to their various commercial projects. And some of that will most likely result in some contributions to PHP funneled through one of the 3 active people, so that might be a bit low, but still. The point is that PHP is a large open source project with broad support from a number of companies and even more stubborn open source developers. No one company can pervert PHP. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Microsoft Partners With Zend
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: The only slight negative as far as you are concerned could be that they may divert some Zend resources to work on Windows issues that aren't interesting to you. But consider that there are 1133 people with PHP cvs accounts. Only 11 work for Zend, and out of those 11 only 3 have committed anything substantial in the past year. Zend resources are already diverted to their various commercial projects. And some of that will most likely result in some contributions to PHP funneled through one of the 3 active people, so that might be a bit low, but still. Actually make that 5 active people in the past year. I did an actual cvs log check this time instead of just going from memory. Not that this was the point. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
