Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? I echo others in that there is not yet a common consensus. I have started putting together my own framework as just a common directory structure and code repository from projects that I have worked on. I prefer my own code because I have this bit of OCD about using code that I did not write if I do not fully understand every aspect of it, unless I fully trust the source. I trust PEAR and often use some code from there. Anyway, you asked about frameworks. I have been spending some cycles looking at TYPO3 (http://typo3.com/) and so far it is pretty impressive. I have heard from others that it is quite robust and almost a CMS in itself. However I have not fully explored all of it so I will hold my opinion on it until then. I also hear the learning curve for TYPO3 is very steep but well worth the climb. Jonathan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
What about CakePHP and Code Igniter? I know working with Code Igniter easier than CakePHP, but CakePHP is more capable than Code Igniter. On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 04:15 +0200, rich gray wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: [chop] An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) Cheers, Rob. I think Rob is being unduly modest - correct me if I am wrong but he is the core developer of the InterJinn php framework - http://interjinn.com - it's been out there for a while now (read: robust, fully featured) and the ZF is still in beta I think... *lol* Thanks for the props. I don't really promote InterJinn anymore. I actively develop it as my needs arise for my customers (which is failry often) but the documentation is out of date and I haven't found time lately to improve upon that. It fulfills all my own needs (and when it doesn't I just add new stuff :) But as someone said frameworks never meet all your needs and eventually it comes down to taste and community. At any rate, there are probably hundreds of frameworks out there now, and voting for myself seems self gratifying *heheh*. BTW I posted under a different email address earlier because I just recently upgraded my email client from evolution 1.4 to 2.6.1 and it seems to be having issues with my default account setting :/ Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
Hidayet Dogan schreef: What about CakePHP and Code Igniter? I know working with Code Igniter easier than CakePHP, but CakePHP is more capable than Code Igniter. Hi, Lately frameworks have become a real *hype*. Currently, there are more than 40 frameworks out there, and new ones are being released daily. This gives us a wide variety of frameworks to choose from, and pick the one that fits to most of our needs. This comparison chart gives you an overview of the functionality each framework offers: http://www.phpit.net/demo/framework%20comparison/chart.php Personally, I think that the community at the Zend Framework is doing a pretty good job. Everything is coded very well, with a lot of possibilities to extend things to your personal needs (if nessecary). Regards, Andries Seutens Belgium http://andries.systray.be -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
--=neXtPaRt_1154507404 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I think that the community at the Zend Framework is doing a pretty good job. Everything is coded very well, with a lot of possibilities to extend things to your personal needs (if nessecary). The ZF is OK, its really immature though, but the advantage being that it is coded in a similar way, as well as similar thinking as our framework - chisimba (http://5ive.uwc.ac.za/ ) In fact we have used some of the components from ZF in it already. --Paul --=neXtPaRt_1154507404 Content-Type: text/plain; All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/uwc2006/content/mail_disclaimer/index.htm --=neXtPaRt_1154507404-- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
This one time, at band camp, Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. If you want something solid and mature, you cant go past ezPublish and ezComponents http://www.ez.no Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. OK, from my side, we have 2 frameworks, one more mature than the other. Both are pretty much the same architecture (MVC everything abstracted, multilingual etc) but one is specifically geared for php4 and the other php5.1.2 and above. Both are GPL licenced and make heavy use of pear objects. You can download the KEWL.NextGen application, built on the PHP4 framework, KINKY (Yes its a recursive acronym), or go for the less mature, but much more fun PHP5 framework (Chisimba - A Chechewu word for the wooden pole framework used to build a traditional African house). Both are products of Africa, made in Africa as part of a collaborative network of over 16 African Universities and 60 developers all over the continent. If you contribute to this project, you are not only sharing code, but building skills in Africa! :) Both projects can be downloaded from http://avoir.uwc.ac.za (CMS module on KINKY) and the PHP5 stuff can be accessed at http://5ive.uwc.ac.za/app/ . We will be making a first public pre-release of this in the next couple of days... Both projects have very active developer and user mailing lists. Let me know if you need some more information! --Paul All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/uwc2006/content/mail_disclaimer/index.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
I like what I've been seeing from Solar at solarphp.com. And Paul Jones, the maintainer, is extremely active on the project and the community seems to be very much in love with the framework. Community is a little small but going pretty strong. James Kilbride -Original Message- From: Gabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:36 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. Satyam - Original Message - From: Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:44:28 +0200 Satyam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I would be very skeptical of any suggestions because only someone who tried multiple frameworks would be in a position to say with any authority that one is better than another. And even then I would still be skeptical. Compounded by the fact that most fall into the almost what I need but not quite category (don't they all?) I see no other option but to try each. Also, reasoning that you will eventually need to modify it you might as well pick something that is relatively simple and extensible. Meaning, it doesn't need to be mature. It just needs to be clearly organized and well thought out. After looking at the source for a few it should become apparent what techniques are superior to others. Mike -- Michael B Allen PHP Extension for SSO w/ Windows Group Authorization http://www.ioplex.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? I use Zend Pro - it makes for very effective development, especially when developing in a team. It supports Subversion and CVS version control, has excellent predictive typing, PHPDoc support, syntax highlighting, ftp and sftp support, the list goes on... Also, for about $80 (off the top of my head), there is a great course run by PHP Architect on getting the most from it - it really is a powerful tool. Downside is it's more costly than others, but well worth it in my opinion. Just my thoughts... Cheers Steve -- Steve Turnbull Digital Content Developer YHGfL Foundation e [EMAIL PROTECTED] t 01724 275030 The YHGfL Foundation Disclaimer can be found at: http://www.yhgfl.net/foundation-services/yhgfl-email-disclaimer/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
Steve Turnbull wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? I use Zend Pro - it makes for very effective development, especially when developing in a team. It supports Subversion and CVS version control, has excellent predictive typing, PHPDoc support, syntax highlighting, ftp and sftp support, the list goes on... Also, for about $80 (off the top of my head), there is a great course run by PHP Architect on getting the most from it - it really is a powerful tool. Downside is it's more costly than others, but well worth it in my opinion. Just my thoughts... Cheers Steve Zend Studio Pro isn't a PHP framework. It's a PHP IDE. Zend has multiple products. Regards, Adam. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 23:40 +0100, Steve Turnbull wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? I use Zend Pro - it makes for very effective development, especially when developing in a team. It supports Subversion and CVS version control, has excellent predictive typing, PHPDoc support, syntax highlighting, ftp and sftp support, the list goes on... Also, for about $80 (off the top of my head), there is a great course run by PHP Architect on getting the most from it - it really is a powerful tool. Downside is it's more costly than others, but well worth it in my opinion. An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) Cheers, Rob. -- Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] InterJinn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
Robert Cummings wrote: [chop] An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) Cheers, Rob. I think Rob is being unduly modest - correct me if I am wrong but he is the core developer of the InterJinn php framework - http://interjinn.com - it's been out there for a while now (read: robust, fully featured) and the ZF is still in beta I think... cheers rich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 04:15 +0200, rich gray wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: [chop] An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) Cheers, Rob. I think Rob is being unduly modest - correct me if I am wrong but he is the core developer of the InterJinn php framework - http://interjinn.com - it's been out there for a while now (read: robust, fully featured) and the ZF is still in beta I think... *lol* Thanks for the props. I don't really promote InterJinn anymore. I actively develop it as my needs arise for my customers (which is failry often) but the documentation is out of date and I haven't found time lately to improve upon that. It fulfills all my own needs (and when it doesn't I just add new stuff :) But as someone said frameworks never meet all your needs and eventually it comes down to taste and community. At any rate, there are probably hundreds of frameworks out there now, and voting for myself seems self gratifying *heheh*. BTW I posted under a different email address earlier because I just recently upgraded my email client from evolution 1.4 to 2.6.1 and it seems to be having issues with my default account setting :/ Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
