Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
I find the best way to learn PHP (and maybe anything) by doing it. Pick up a project and do it. Consult www.php.net for any problem. If you can't find it there, then you have earn a legitimate reason to send something in this list. At 10:15 AM 8/6/2001 +0200, B. van Ouwerkerk wrote: >At 22:54 5-8-01 -0700, Kyle Smith wrote: >>ok, umm... you got that in pence cause im english just kiddin so >>what resources did you use to learn php? > >I think people already told you how and where to obtain the information >you want. www.php.net and www.devshed.com would be a good start.. > >Bye, > > > >B. > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ezra Nugroho Web/Database Application Specialist Goshen College ITS Phone: (219) 535-7706 "Don't be humble, you're not that great." -- Golda Meir -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
At 22:54 5-8-01 -0700, Kyle Smith wrote: >ok, umm... you got that in pence cause im english just kiddin so >what resources did you use to learn php? I think people already told you how and where to obtain the information you want. www.php.net and www.devshed.com would be a good start.. Bye, B. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
ok, umm... you got that in pence cause im english just kiddin so what resources did you use to learn php? -lk6- http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com Home of the burning lego man! ICQ: 115852509 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: legokiller666 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? > Hokay, my 2p... > > I'm a (former) ASP programmer who just made the leap from ASP to PHP about 2 > weeks ago. A week ago I got my entire web-portal recoded to use PHP, a move > that experience tells me can't be done as quickly and easily with ASP. All > religious arguments aside, one must admit that (1) PHP is well documented > and VBScript isn't (period); (2) PHP has many more USEFUL functions built-in > that are already debugged and working; (3) the examples one finds on > php.net, phpbuilder.net, or any other knowledge base actually WORK and are > usually pretty clear; (4) there is absolutely no question that PHP's notion > of security is truly secure, 100% in diametric opposition to IIS/ASP. I've > tested that to destruction and am confident enough in it to release PHP as > an alternative language for my web-hosting customers. > > I cannot repose the same confidence in ASP--even less confidence when Front > Page extensions are wrapped around it. Note that I have never released ASP > as an alternative language for my customers and given its documentation and > security shortcomings, it's not likely to happen. > > Mind, I've used ASP for several years and am (unfortunately) intimately > familiar with its shortcomings. Many of the string-manipulation functions > inherent in PHP must be provided by third parties (like Vantage Point > PowerStrings http://www.vpsoft.com) in order to do some tricky URL or > input-cleaning routines. I challenge anyone to use M$'s mail objects with > the same degree of security and reliability. Try and find real docs on > VBScript -- there aren't any with any substance. M$'s site is useless as > are the examples they give (which, by the way, NEVER work as demonstrated). > M$ should be taking notes from php.net on how to present and maintain > documentation. > > Now, if a paying customer insists that I do work for them using ASP, of > course that's what I'll use. But I strongly advise against it now, given > the points above. With only a couple of weeks of PHP under my belt, I'm > still confident enough in the language itself and the documentation around > it that I will be able to do any web job that comes along. I might have to > have the manual at my side a bit longer, but as time goes on I find I refer > to it less and less. All in all, a very natural succession of events. > > Guess that was more than two cents...keep the change :-) > > Bill > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Loff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > > I much prefer PHP, obviously... But posting to a PHP list isn't going to > get you a very objective answer. I find PHP more versatile and easy to > use, but an ASP programmer may tell you the same thing about ASP. > > Also-- try looking stuff up for yourself sometimes... I realize you're > new to PHP, but at last count, you've sent 46 e-mails to this list in > the past 10 days... 99% of your questions could be answered by going to > the PHP manual, www.phpbuilder.net, or any of the FAQs that have been > posted to this list in the past few days. > > > -Original Message- > From: Kyle Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > Well which is easier to program? > > > -lk6- > http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com > Home of the burning lego man! > > ICQ: 115852509 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AIM: legokiller666 > > > - Original Message - > From: "scott [gts]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "php" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:45 AM > Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > ASP is basically like PHP, only it uses a VB-based > > language instead of perl/c-based one. > > > > which means it sucks - vb is evil. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Jon Yaggie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > > > isnt this fact a good enough reason to believe it worthless??? > > > > > > &
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
I think the response to this will probably be equally informative and hilarious. - k - Original Message - From: "Kyle Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [PHP] Spot the difference? Whats the difference between ASP and PHP cause ASP has gotta have something good about it cause microsoft uses it! -lk6- http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com Home of the burning lego man! ICQ: 115852509 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: legokiller666 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Spot the difference?
ASP is basically like PHP, only it uses a VB-based language instead of perl/c-based one. which means it sucks - vb is evil. > -Original Message- > From: Jon Yaggie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > isnt this fact a good enough reason to believe it worthless??? > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
isnt this fact a good enough reason to believe it worthless??? - Original Message - From: "Kyle Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:34 AM Subject: [PHP] Spot the difference? Whats the difference between ASP and PHP cause ASP has gotta have something good about it cause microsoft uses it! -lk6- http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com Home of the burning lego man! ICQ: 115852509 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: legokiller666 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Spot the difference?
Hokay, my 2p... I'm a (former) ASP programmer who just made the leap from ASP to PHP about 2 weeks ago. A week ago I got my entire web-portal recoded to use PHP, a move that experience tells me can't be done as quickly and easily with ASP. All religious arguments aside, one must admit that (1) PHP is well documented and VBScript isn't (period); (2) PHP has many more USEFUL functions built-in that are already debugged and working; (3) the examples one finds on php.net, phpbuilder.net, or any other knowledge base actually WORK and are usually pretty clear; (4) there is absolutely no question that PHP's notion of security is truly secure, 100% in diametric opposition to IIS/ASP. I've tested that to destruction and am confident enough in it to release PHP as an alternative language for my web-hosting customers. I cannot repose the same confidence in ASP--even less confidence when Front Page extensions are wrapped around it. Note that I have never released ASP as an alternative language for my customers and given its documentation and security shortcomings, it's not likely to happen. Mind, I've used ASP for several years and am (unfortunately) intimately familiar with its shortcomings. Many of the string-manipulation functions inherent in PHP must be provided by third parties (like Vantage Point PowerStrings http://www.vpsoft.com) in order to do some tricky URL or input-cleaning routines. I challenge anyone to use M$'s mail objects with the same degree of security and reliability. Try and find real docs on VBScript -- there aren't any with any substance. M$'s site is useless as are the examples they give (which, by the way, NEVER work as demonstrated). M$ should be taking notes from php.net on how to present and maintain documentation. Now, if a paying customer insists that I do work for them using ASP, of course that's what I'll use. But I strongly advise against it now, given the points above. With only a couple of weeks of PHP under my belt, I'm still confident enough in the language itself and the documentation around it that I will be able to do any web job that comes along. I might have to have the manual at my side a bit longer, but as time goes on I find I refer to it less and less. All in all, a very natural succession of events. Guess that was more than two cents...keep the change :-) Bill -Original Message- From: Matthew Loff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? I much prefer PHP, obviously... But posting to a PHP list isn't going to get you a very objective answer. I find PHP more versatile and easy to use, but an ASP programmer may tell you the same thing about ASP. Also-- try looking stuff up for yourself sometimes... I realize you're new to PHP, but at last count, you've sent 46 e-mails to this list in the past 10 days... 99% of your questions could be answered by going to the PHP manual, www.phpbuilder.net, or any of the FAQs that have been posted to this list in the past few days. -Original Message- From: Kyle Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? Well which is easier to program? -lk6- http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com Home of the burning lego man! ICQ: 115852509 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: legokiller666 - Original Message - From: "scott [gts]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "php" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? > ASP is basically like PHP, only it uses a VB-based > language instead of perl/c-based one. > > which means it sucks - vb is evil. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Yaggie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > isnt this fact a good enough reason to believe it worthless??? > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To > contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
Well which is easier to program? -lk6- http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com Home of the burning lego man! ICQ: 115852509 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: legokiller666 - Original Message - From: "scott [gts]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "php" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? > ASP is basically like PHP, only it uses a VB-based > language instead of perl/c-based one. > > which means it sucks - vb is evil. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Yaggie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > isnt this fact a good enough reason to believe it worthless??? > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Spot the difference?
Thanks for the info, I am a PHP developer who will have to maintain some outsourced (darned) ASP codes. For all ASP converts who are currently converting, look at http://asp2php.naken.cc/ At 04:18 PM 8/2/2001 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hokay, my 2p... > >I'm a (former) ASP programmer who just made the leap from ASP to PHP about 2 >weeks ago. A week ago I got my entire web-portal recoded to use PHP, a move >that experience tells me can't be done as quickly and easily with ASP. All >religious arguments aside, one must admit that (1) PHP is well documented >and VBScript isn't (period); (2) PHP has many more USEFUL functions built-in >that are already debugged and working; (3) the examples one finds on >php.net, phpbuilder.net, or any other knowledge base actually WORK and are >usually pretty clear; (4) there is absolutely no question that PHP's notion >of security is truly secure, 100% in diametric opposition to IIS/ASP. I've >tested that to destruction and am confident enough in it to release PHP as >an alternative language for my web-hosting customers. > >I cannot repose the same confidence in ASP--even less confidence when Front >Page extensions are wrapped around it. Note that I have never released ASP >as an alternative language for my customers and given its documentation and >security shortcomings, it's not likely to happen. > >Mind, I've used ASP for several years and am (unfortunately) intimately >familiar with its shortcomings. Many of the string-manipulation functions >inherent in PHP must be provided by third parties (like Vantage Point >PowerStrings http://www.vpsoft.com) in order to do some tricky URL or >input-cleaning routines. I challenge anyone to use M$'s mail objects with >the same degree of security and reliability. Try and find real docs on >VBScript -- there aren't any with any substance. M$'s site is useless as >are the examples they give (which, by the way, NEVER work as demonstrated). >M$ should be taking notes from php.net on how to present and maintain >documentation. > >Now, if a paying customer insists that I do work for them using ASP, of >course that's what I'll use. But I strongly advise against it now, given >the points above. With only a couple of weeks of PHP under my belt, I'm >still confident enough in the language itself and the documentation around >it that I will be able to do any web job that comes along. I might have to >have the manual at my side a bit longer, but as time goes on I find I refer >to it less and less. All in all, a very natural succession of events. > >Guess that was more than two cents...keep the change :-) > >Bill > >-Original Message- >From: Matthew Loff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:00 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > >I much prefer PHP, obviously... But posting to a PHP list isn't going to >get you a very objective answer. I find PHP more versatile and easy to >use, but an ASP programmer may tell you the same thing about ASP. > >Also-- try looking stuff up for yourself sometimes... I realize you're >new to PHP, but at last count, you've sent 46 e-mails to this list in >the past 10 days... 99% of your questions could be answered by going to >the PHP manual, www.phpbuilder.net, or any of the FAQs that have been >posted to this list in the past few days. > > >-Original Message- >From: Kyle Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:42 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > >Well which is easier to program? > > >-lk6- >http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com >Home of the burning lego man! > >ICQ: 115852509 >MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >AIM: legokiller666 > > >- Original Message - >From: "scott [gts]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "php" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:45 AM >Subject: RE: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > ASP is basically like PHP, only it uses a VB-based > > language instead of perl/c-based one. > > > > which means it sucks - vb is evil. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Jon Yaggie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Spot the difference? > > > > > > isnt this fact a good enough reason to believe it worthless??? > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To > > contact the list administrator
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
Yes, ASP is revenue generating to Misocroft. PHP is free, so it's no good for them. At 04:34 PM 8/2/2001 -0700, Kyle Smith wrote: >Whats the difference between ASP and PHP cause ASP has gotta have >something good about it cause microsoft uses it! > > >-lk6- >http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com >Home of the burning lego man! > >ICQ: 115852509 >MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >AIM: legokiller666 Ezra Nugroho Web/Database Application Specialist Goshen College ITS Phone: (219) 535-7706 "Don't be humble, you're not that great." -- Golda Meir -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
>...ASP has gotta have something good about it cause microsoft uses it! > Hmm...you can get in sooo much trouble with that statement. Microsoft, in any language, is not a synonym for 'quality'. Innovative? maybe. Quality? no. That statement should be your first reason why PHP is better. :-) > > -lk6- > http://www.StupeedStudios.f2s.com > Home of the burning lego man! > > ICQ: 115852509 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AIM: legokiller666 > > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Spot the difference?
A fairly detailed disucission, altho slightly out of date http://php.resourceindex.com/Documentation/Reviews_and_Analysis/PHP_vs._ASP/ and one on the dangers of advocacy http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2000/12/advocacy.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
