Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
hi, late in the game, but a big +1 from me. Friedhelm Georg Richter wrote: Mehdi Achour schrieb: +1 for me! /Georg Fine with me. Mehdi On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Nuno Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm fine with this license change as well. But please include the full license text in the appendix, just in case.. Nuno Hola, I too am for an open yet fair license. Awhile ago I wrote the following (and it appears I never followed up on it there!): http://news.php.net/php.doc.license/176 It lists three possible candidates with the one Hannes posted here as one of them. I do like this CC license because it's common, understandable, short, and has a pretty website :) If we voted this second I'd vote for it. However, I'm unclear how our required "manner specified" for attribution would be. I guess a link, and a certain phrase kinda like "The Official PHP Manual" or fancier words... Regards, Philip
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
On 07.07.2008 23:04, Hannes Magnusson wrote: Hi all Does anyone have any objection to changing the license of the PHP documentation to Creative Commons Attribution (by)[1]? No objections from me. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
Fine with me. Mehdi On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Nuno Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm fine with this license change as well. But please include the full > license text in the appendix, just in case.. > > Nuno > > > > Hola, >> >> I too am for an open yet fair license. Awhile ago I wrote the following >> (and it appears I never followed up on it there!): >> >> http://news.php.net/php.doc.license/176 >> >> It lists three possible candidates with the one Hannes posted here as one >> of them. I do like this CC license because it's common, understandable, >> short, and has a pretty website :) If we voted this second I'd vote for it. >> However, I'm unclear how our required "manner specified" for attribution >> would be. I guess a link, and a certain phrase kinda like "The Official PHP >> Manual" or fancier words... >> >> Regards, >> Philip >> > >
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
I'm fine with this license change as well. But please include the full license text in the appendix, just in case.. Nuno Hola, I too am for an open yet fair license. Awhile ago I wrote the following (and it appears I never followed up on it there!): http://news.php.net/php.doc.license/176 It lists three possible candidates with the one Hannes posted here as one of them. I do like this CC license because it's common, understandable, short, and has a pretty website :) If we voted this second I'd vote for it. However, I'm unclear how our required "manner specified" for attribution would be. I guess a link, and a certain phrase kinda like "The Official PHP Manual" or fancier words... Regards, Philip
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
On 7 Jul 2008, at 16:10, M. Sokolewicz wrote: Lars Strojny wrote: Hi Hannes, Am Montag, den 07.07.2008, 21:04 +0200 schrieb Hannes Magnusson: [...] Does anyone have any objection to changing the license of the PHP documentation to Creative Commons Attribution (by)[1]? What about by-nc-sa? Would prohibit commercial use, which I consider a good thing for the documentation (so not to print it as an appendix in $var book) and would make sure that derived works are published under the same license. cu, Lars What's wrong with it being included as an appendix? I actually see that as a positive thing... Hell, it's not like anyone will be selling "PHP: the reference" for 29.95 with it being available for free at php.net in a(n) (much) easier-accessible form. - Tul P.S. I'm all _for_ the license change in case people were wondering Hola, I too am for an open yet fair license. Awhile ago I wrote the following (and it appears I never followed up on it there!): http://news.php.net/php.doc.license/176 It lists three possible candidates with the one Hannes posted here as one of them. I do like this CC license because it's common, understandable, short, and has a pretty website :) If we voted this second I'd vote for it. However, I'm unclear how our required "manner specified" for attribution would be. I guess a link, and a certain phrase kinda like "The Official PHP Manual" or fancier words... Regards, Philip
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
Lars Strojny wrote: Hi Hannes, Am Montag, den 07.07.2008, 21:04 +0200 schrieb Hannes Magnusson: [...] Does anyone have any objection to changing the license of the PHP documentation to Creative Commons Attribution (by)[1]? What about by-nc-sa? Would prohibit commercial use, which I consider a good thing for the documentation (so not to print it as an appendix in $var book) and would make sure that derived works are published under the same license. cu, Lars What's wrong with it being included as an appendix? I actually see that as a positive thing... Hell, it's not like anyone will be selling "PHP: the reference" for 29.95 with it being available for free at php.net in a(n) (much) easier-accessible form. - Tul P.S. I'm all _for_ the license change in case people were wondering
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 23:58, Lars Strojny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Hannes, > > Am Montag, den 07.07.2008, 21:04 +0200 schrieb Hannes Magnusson: > [...] >> Does anyone have any objection to changing the license of the PHP >> documentation to Creative Commons Attribution (by)[1]? > > What about by-nc-sa? Would prohibit commercial use, which I consider a > good thing for the documentation (so not to print it as an appendix in > $var book) and would make sure that derived works are published under > the same license. God no. I hate viruses. And there is a reason why the PHP license is flexible, we should stay on the same path. I take it as a compliment if people want to throw our docs into books as appendixes or bundle it with their enterprise IDE. -Hannes
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
Hi Hannes, Am Montag, den 07.07.2008, 21:04 +0200 schrieb Hannes Magnusson: [...] > Does anyone have any objection to changing the license of the PHP > documentation to Creative Commons Attribution (by)[1]? What about by-nc-sa? Would prohibit commercial use, which I consider a good thing for the documentation (so not to print it as an appendix in $var book) and would make sure that derived works are published under the same license. cu, Lars signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Hannes Magnusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone have any objection to changing the license of the PHP > documentation to Creative Commons Attribution (by)[1]? > The license we are currently using has been deprecated[2] for several > years now, and I think it adds unessicery restriction to > redistribution of the docs (and I don't think anyone has ever followed > them anyway, with the exception of couple of unanswered emails to > doc-license@). With all of the websites out there paraphrasing the official documentation (sometimes even bastardizing it a bit), as well as ink-and-paper publications which reference pages from the official docs, I've rarely seen any mention of credit --- especially to the degree as required by the OPL. I agree with Hannes regarding the use of a more lenient licensing scheme for the documentation. For example, from S:2a of the OPL: "You must cause the modified content to carry prominent notices stating that you changed it, the exact nature and content of the changes, and the date of any change." If a content publisher were to follow the license as they *should*, and if we hoped to enforce such, it would be a rather full-time job. And by not enforcing a portion of the license, because it doesn't otherwise explicitly say, it could be conveyed that the license as a whole is unenforceable. For example, note the lack of a direct statement to the effect of "if any portion hereof is found to be unenforceable, or if the PHP Group makes the determination, on a case-by-case basis, not to enforce any section(s) or action(s) listed herein, all other rights, rules, and obligations shall remain in effect." In addition, by loosening the license, we allow for more opportunity by those who actually DO pay attention to and abide by license agreements; quite possibly the kind of people we actually *want* to republish the work. Just my dos pesos, but I'm +1 for it. -- Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo.
[PHP-DOC] License change? Bye bye OPL, hello CC?
Hi all Does anyone have any objection to changing the license of the PHP documentation to Creative Commons Attribution (by)[1]? The license we are currently using has been deprecated[2] for several years now, and I think it adds unessicery restriction to redistribution of the docs (and I don't think anyone has ever followed them anyway, with the exception of couple of unanswered emails to doc-license@). I guess everyone listed as "Author" on http://php.net/manual/manual has to agree to the change so I'm CCing you all :) I think its time. Lets kill OPL! -Hannes [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ [2] http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/329
