Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:57 -04:00, andr...@itship.ch wrote: > On 28.04.20 22:53, Guido Stepken wrote: > > > > (Blathering removed.) > > You generalize too broadly in one sentence and then contradict > yourself the next. ^^ This. ^^ -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!
"gcc -fanalyzer" will fundamentally change safety of C programs, such as Linux, GNOME, DQlite (distributed SQLite), Cython, Python, Crystal, Ruby, NIM, ZIG, Vala/Genie ... but also the C compiled version of PicoLisp ... https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/03/26/static-analysis-in-gcc-10/ Plenty of proactive security patches are coming out now minutely, which vastly improve complete Linux environment. Sadly, Microsoft does _not profit_ from the magic abilities of that new flow analyzer in GCC. Windows, Office ... all written in C++! :-D Have fun! Am Dienstag, 28. April 2020 schrieb Edgaras Šeputis : > Here is the thing, in consumer space, but not even there in a way "nobody > cares about security". Not in that nobody cares, but there are more > important things than security, like some particular ability, and for now > it USA stuff or severe hits in performance, or even nothing at all. Which > in such cases people will rightfully so take some security concerns over > not being able to do anything, or things that competitors are doing. For > now penetration of those technologies are super low, and it remains to be > seen where they will go. I also have hopes that someone will unseat if not > crush at least one company - Intel, but more for all the underhanded shit > they done to win "top dog" position in market. Also Linus makes some very > pragmatical valid points about security too: > https://www.cio.com/article/2434264/torvalds-calls-openbsd-group--masturbating-monkeys-.html , > which applies here full well. You can pipe all you want a bout this > insecure or that with backdoor no one will care until you deliver > competitive features, not with attitude like you shown sometimes. You go > this is shit that will be most amazing and thus don't use this. Well seems > people can not use 'that', so in a mean time they will keep using 'this'. > And 'that' will have to compete, and dropping potential allies cause today > they use 'this' is just stupid. Unless you think stuff can not be ported > later on. > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:44 PM Guido Stepken wrote: > >> I think, it's decided now, that China is going to remove US hardware, US >> software and US protocols. >> >> In fact, US software stacks, especially those Open Source by Apache, Linux, >> .. "Foundations" have become a *huge pile of shit*: >> >> *Billions lines of code, millions of bugs, thousands of NSA backdoors, >> hundreds of intentionally slowed down algorithms, sponsored mainly by >> Intel* >> >> Security Reviews? Impossible! Removing NSA contributed code, e.g. SELinux, >> backdoors even deeply sticking in Linux TCP/IP stack? Impossible! >> >> Removing Intel IME Spy Firmware Processor (MINIX) from all 2008 later >> motherboards (even in notebooks) - Impossible! >> >> To give you an idea, what's all running in parallel to your "Booted OS" of >> choice: >> >> >> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/security-advisory/documents/cve-2019-0090-whitepaper.pdf >> >> In fact, UEFI is an Operating System, that is running parallel to your own >> OS. You're booting Windows, Linux on a kind of Hypervisor, the underlying, >> hidden Minix OS (a tiny UNIX Clone living in North Bridge), has *full >> access* to. Means: Disk, memory, keyboard, network ... >> >> NSA can access all of your passwords, certificates, ... any time. Even when >> main processor is switched off, the Cortex-A15 core can activate power for >> e.g. SSD, network on its own, even when Intel main CPU is deactivated. >> >> And i fear, the little "US problem" with surveillance, spying on other >> countries industries to gain strategic advantage and control over forein >> industries, politicians, CEOs ... is much bigger than anybody can imagine
Re: PilCon 2020
Hi Alex, > I always used the Jitsi Meet app on Android for audio and video, and sometimes > additionally Firefox on a Debian PC to demonstrate things on a shared > screen. firefox sounds good Yesterday I tried to watch the Lisp conference but streaming kept stopping so I had to give up. Not sure if it was server side issue with twitch.tv or because of poor internet in Berlin. If you do a trial run in advance I should try joining in. Tomas -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Digging into Symbols
On 4/28/20 2:18 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: E.g Python dqueue doesn't show any performance loss here The performance of a particular python data structure has no bearing on the fact that your original statement: In most Lisp languages, you only can "append" to a list, never "prepend" ..is incorrect on its face, since the cons based linked list is the fundamental data structure of Lisp and _prefers_ prepend over append. -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Digging into Symbols
It’s hard to predict cache behavior without an actual workload, so i would recommend using cachegrind with a real program (not a benchmark) to evaluate the cost of doing things one way or the other. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:24 Guido Stepken wrote: > Certainly. But how is it *implemented* internally? Mostly you suffer > massive performance loss when prepending, because complete linked list gets > moved to a new place in memory. If internal representaion ist a double > cell, one value, pointer to next, then you quickly suffer CPU cache misses. > Wild jumps across memory with upto 18 CPU waitstates for random access. > Means: Your proud 4 GHz machine gets slower than a 250 MHz embedded ESP32 > ARM CPU. E.g Python dqueue doesn't show any performance loss here. > > Have fun! > > Am Dienstag, 28. April 2020 schrieb Wilhelm Fitzpatrick : > > On 4/27/20 2:42 PM, Guido Stepken wrote: > > > >> In most Lisp languages, you only can "append" to a list, never > "prepend".: > > > > "Prepend", aka "add to the beginning" seems the natural (and > non-destructive) operation of Lisp, e.g. > > > > (cons 9 (1 2 3)) -> (9 1 2 3) > > > > ..perhaps that is what you meant? > > > > -wilhelm > > > > > > -- > > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-labde > ?subject=Unsubscribe > > -- John Duncan
回复：Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!
Where can we get safe hardwares? Zhang Enwei发自我的华为手机 原始邮件 发件人： Guido Stepken 日期： 2020年4月28日周二 傍晚6:50收件人： picolisp@software-lab.de主题： Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!I think, it's decided now, that China is going to remove US hardware, USsoftware and US protocols.In fact, US software stacks, especially those Open Source by Apache, Linux,.. "Foundations" have become a *huge pile of shit*:*Billions lines of code, millions of bugs, thousands of NSA backdoors,hundreds of intentionally slowed down algorithms, sponsored mainly by Intel*Security Reviews? Impossible! Removing NSA contributed code, e.g. SELinux,backdoors even deeply sticking in Linux TCP/IP stack? Impossible!Removing Intel IME Spy Firmware Processor (MINIX) from all 2008 latermotherboards (even in notebooks) - Impossible!To give you an idea, what's all running in parallel to your "Booted OS" ofchoice:https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/security-advisory/documents/cve-2019-0090-whitepaper.pdfIn fact, UEFI is an Operating System, that is running parallel to your ownOS. You're booting Windows, Linux on a kind of Hypervisor, the underlying,hidden Minix OS (a tiny UNIX Clone living in North Bridge), has *fullaccess* to. Means: Disk, memory, keyboard, network ...NSA can access all of your passwords, certificates, ... any time. Even whenmain processor is switched off, the Cortex-A15 core can activate power fore.g. SSD, network on its own, even when Intel main CPU is deactivated.And i fear, the little "US problem" with surveillance, spying on othercountries industries to gain strategic advantage and control over foreinindustries, politicians, CEOs ... is much bigger than anybody can imagine.In Europe, we now have Exokernels (similar to Hypervisors, Microkernels)running on safe hardware (e.g. ARM Cortex-A53/55 (no Spectre/Melissavulnerability, like Odroid N4, RPi 3, ...) with *"UNIX as library"* runningon top, programmed in an old, rock solid funtional, compiled language named*OCaml*. Also see ReasonML. 10x faster, 100x lesser memory footprint forsame (web, database, GUI) functionality.New upcoming European "Gaia-X" Cloud will be built with that stuffexclusively (security reviews ongoing), leaving US companies and theirtechnologies in the dust. China, India, South America are going similarways.Also see "Shakti RISC-V" Project: https://shakti.org.in/RISC-V foundation recently has been moved to Switzerland. Finished with USinfluence. We're taking them out of business now. With "we" i mean wholeworld with 7 billion people outside the US.Have fun!P.S.: I neither smoke nor am i taking drugs!Am Dienstag, 28. April 2020 schrieb Edgaras Šeputis :> Now you seriously smoking something. China's bullshit new IP was notaccepted by anyone, no one wants their authoritarian extensions, and saywhatever you want about US (and one can say a lot of shit about them and bequite correct), US is still millions of miles better than China and if youare running from US, you should run even faster from China> I'll just point that for some time now you are acting like some kind ofweird troll, making some seemingly interesting pionts, even whiledisplaying crappy attitude, then spouting complete bullshit about Chinabeing better than US.>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Guido Stepken wrote: Seems, you haven't the slightest idea, what's going on in world: China is changing gears, decoupling from TCP/IP protocol. Means: USAbecoming isolated. It's a 320 million people state, making just 5% ofglobal population.https://cntechpost.com/2020/03/30/huawei-aims-to-reshape-internet-with-protocol-called-new-ip/ China, in fact, is double as big as Europe and the US together. Apartfrom that, not only half of USA is bankrupt, with Corona now it's ⅔
Re: PilCon 2020
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 18:20, Jean-Christophe Helary > wrote: > > > >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 17:09, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to >> compile 75 for myself. > > There is an account on the way the FSF moved LibrePlanet online and that > involved non-exclusively Jitsi, but also voice only (Mumble ?) IRC, etc. You may have already read the report: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/how-to-livestream-a-conference-in-just-under-a-week Jean-Christophe Helary --- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!
I think, it's decided now, that China is going to remove US hardware, US software and US protocols. In fact, US software stacks, especially those Open Source by Apache, Linux, .. "Foundations" have become a *huge pile of shit*: *Billions lines of code, millions of bugs, thousands of NSA backdoors, hundreds of intentionally slowed down algorithms, sponsored mainly by Intel* Security Reviews? Impossible! Removing NSA contributed code, e.g. SELinux, backdoors even deeply sticking in Linux TCP/IP stack? Impossible! Removing Intel IME Spy Firmware Processor (MINIX) from all 2008 later motherboards (even in notebooks) - Impossible! To give you an idea, what's all running in parallel to your "Booted OS" of choice: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/security-advisory/documents/cve-2019-0090-whitepaper.pdf In fact, UEFI is an Operating System, that is running parallel to your own OS. You're booting Windows, Linux on a kind of Hypervisor, the underlying, hidden Minix OS (a tiny UNIX Clone living in North Bridge), has *full access* to. Means: Disk, memory, keyboard, network ... NSA can access all of your passwords, certificates, ... any time. Even when main processor is switched off, the Cortex-A15 core can activate power for e.g. SSD, network on its own, even when Intel main CPU is deactivated. And i fear, the little "US problem" with surveillance, spying on other countries industries to gain strategic advantage and control over forein industries, politicians, CEOs ... is much bigger than anybody can imagine. In Europe, we now have Exokernels (similar to Hypervisors, Microkernels) running on safe hardware (e.g. ARM Cortex-A53/55 (no Spectre/Melissa vulnerability, like Odroid N4, RPi 3, ...) with *"UNIX as library"* running on top, programmed in an old, rock solid funtional, compiled language named *OCaml*. Also see ReasonML. 10x faster, 100x lesser memory footprint for same (web, database, GUI) functionality. New upcoming European "Gaia-X" Cloud will be built with that stuff exclusively (security reviews ongoing), leaving US companies and their technologies in the dust. China, India, South America are going similar ways. Also see "Shakti RISC-V" Project: https://shakti.org.in/ RISC-V foundation recently has been moved to Switzerland. Finished with US influence. We're taking them out of business now. With "we" i mean whole world with 7 billion people outside the US. Have fun! P.S.: I neither smoke nor am i taking drugs! Am Dienstag, 28. April 2020 schrieb Edgaras Šeputis : > Now you seriously smoking something. China's bullshit new IP was not accepted by anyone, no one wants their authoritarian extensions, and say whatever you want about US (and one can say a lot of shit about them and be quite correct), US is still millions of miles better than China and if you are running from US, you should run even faster from China > I'll just point that for some time now you are acting like some kind of weird troll, making some seemingly interesting pionts, even while displaying crappy attitude, then spouting complete bullshit about China being better than US. > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Guido Stepken wrote: >> >> Seems, you haven't the slightest idea, what's going on in world: >> >> China is changing gears, decoupling from TCP/IP protocol. Means: USA becoming isolated. It's a 320 million people state, making just 5% of global population. >> >> https://cntechpost.com/2020/03/30/huawei-aims-to-reshape-internet-with-protocol-called-new-ip/ >> >> China, in fact, is double as big as Europe and the US together. Apart from that, not only half of USA is bankrupt, with Corona now it's ⅔
Re: PilCon 2020
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 17:09, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) > wrote: > > Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to > compile 75 for myself. There is an account on the way the FSF moved LibrePlanet online and that involved non-exclusively Jitsi, but also voice only (Mumble ?) IRC, etc. > And what should I do in the (unlikely) case that I would want to ask a > question or even (The spectre of John McCarthy forbid) hold a presentation > myself? Well, there is the possibility that you record the presentation in advance, or that you use slides that somebody would push for you. I'm sure there are plenty of options. That's something that should be explored based on the presenter's constraints I guess. Jean-Christophe Helary --- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Digging into Symbols
Certainly. But how is it *implemented* internally? Mostly you suffer massive performance loss when prepending, because complete linked list gets moved to a new place in memory. If internal representaion ist a double cell, one value, pointer to next, then you quickly suffer CPU cache misses. Wild jumps across memory with upto 18 CPU waitstates for random access. Means: Your proud 4 GHz machine gets slower than a 250 MHz embedded ESP32 ARM CPU. E.g. Python dqueue doesn't show any performance loss here. Have fun! Am Dienstag, 28. April 2020 schrieb Wilhelm Fitzpatrick : > On 4/27/20 2:42 PM, Guido Stepken wrote: > >> In most Lisp languages, you only can "append" to a list, never "prepend".: > > "Prepend", aka "add to the beginning" seems the natural (and non-destructive) operation of Lisp, e.g. > > (cons 9 (1 2 3)) -> (9 1 2 3) > > ..perhaps that is what you meant? > > -wilhelm > > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe >
Re: PilCon 2020
Hi Guys, I agree with Christophe. It's best to organize a rehearsal way ahead of the actual event to give ourselves time to debug problems and investigate alternatives in case the proposed approach fails. And perhaps having pre-recorded presentations (if only as backups) would put us on the safe side. Regards, Wojtek On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:16 AM Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) < alexander.she...@web.de> wrote: > Hi Christophe, > > Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to > compile 75 for myself. > > And what should I do in the (unlikely) case that I would want to ask a > question or even (The spectre of John McCarthy forbid) hold a presentation > myself? > > Am 28. April 2020 08:42:58 MESZ schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary < > jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org>: >> >> >> >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:20, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an >>> online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently >>> this is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all necessary features of >>> WebRTC. >>> >> >> Try 75. Maybe it is better. >> >> I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app, but I don't know how to use an USB >> headset with either my phone or a tablet. Maybe an analog headphone and the >> device's microphone is the way to go. >>> >> >> An analog headphone should be sufficient. But if you mute your mike during >> the presentations, there is no real need for a headphone. >> >> >> Jean-Christophe Helary >> -- >> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune >> >> >> >> -- >> UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe >> >> > -- > You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it. > > Scott McNealy 1999 >
Re: EU Lisp online now
Yes, It started yesterday. The approach to streaming and scaling is based on pre-recorded talks by the speakers. Initially there was talk about making it fully interactive and live, but the organizers decided we don't really have the infrastructure to support that many people simultaneously. The first day of ELS (Monday) proved that, while there's nothing like meeting face-to-face, being able to meet *at all* is still cool and worthwhile. Regards, Wojtek On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM cilz wrote: > Hi guys, > > FYI EU Lisp 2020 is online now here: https://www.twitch.tv/elsconf > > This could gives us some ideas for our own PiLCon 2020. > > Best, > > Eric > > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe >
EU Lisp online now
Hi guys, FYI EU Lisp 2020 is online now here: https://www.twitch.tv/elsconf This could gives us some ideas for our own PiLCon 2020. Best, Eric -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: PilCon 2020
Hi Christophe, Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to compile 75 for myself. And what should I do in the (unlikely) case that I would want to ask a question or even (The spectre of John McCarthy forbid) hold a presentation myself? Am 28. April 2020 08:42:58 MESZ schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary : > > >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:20, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) > wrote: >> >> Dear List, >> >> My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend >an online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. >Apparently this is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all >necessary features of WebRTC. > >Try 75. Maybe it is better. > >> I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app, but I don't know how to use an >USB headset with either my phone or a tablet. Maybe an analog headphone >and the device's microphone is the way to go. > >An analog headphone should be sufficient. But if you mute your mike >during the presentations, there is no real need for a headphone. > > >Jean-Christophe Helary >--- >http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune > > > >-- >UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe -- You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it. Scott McNealy 1999
Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!
Now you seriously smoking something. China's bullshit new IP was not accepted by anyone, no one wants their authoritarian extensions, and say whatever you want about US (and one can say a lot of shit about them and be quite correct), US is still millions of miles better than China and if you are running from US, you should run even faster from China. I'll just point that for some time now you are acting like some kind of weird troll, making some seemingly interesting pionts, even while displaying crappy attitude, then spouting complete bullshit about China being better than US. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Guido Stepken wrote: > Seems, you haven't the slightest idea, what's going on in world: > > China is changing gears, decoupling from TCP/IP protocol. Means: USA > becoming isolated. It's a 320 million people state, making just 5% of > global population. > > > https://cntechpost.com/2020/03/30/huawei-aims-to-reshape-internet-with-protocol-called-new-ip/ > > China, in fact, is double as big as Europe and the US together. Apart from > that, not only half of USA is bankrupt, with Corona now it's ⅔. > > Means: Germany also is saying 'goodbye' to USA, US technology, US > protocols, US standards ... > > 'Show me the code' ... what code? I don't publish on M$ owned Github or M$ > owned NPM and i will never do. Not a single US owned server will be allowed > to carry a singe bit of my code ... > > Do i want to get into jail for nothing like Meng Wanzhou? No evidence, no > proof. Or Assange, Guantanamo prisoners? See 'Military Commissions Act'. > > Means: Everything now gets isolated from US software/hardware > implementations. There are even NSA Backdoors implemented in hardware, e.g. > Broadcom Wifi silicon. All Open Source repositories (Github, NPM, Anaconda, > NuGet) now are poisined by NSA backdoors!!! > > Seems, most of you guys haven't yet understood, what USA is aiming at: > Total control of all software, hardware, communication on the world. > > Sorry, but simply don't care your little provocation. Either you agree > with US strategies or you do down under! > > I've already warned Alex not to use US software stacks (LLVM) for Picolisp > ... but he simply doesn't listen. > > Picolisp, for me, now is dead, burnt. I have to reimplement it now, > because plenty of my code uses Picolisp. As i've already mentioned: > Picolisp is a genius strike, carries plenty of pretty usable ideas in it. > > Well, using Picolisp, with mighty LLVM (420 Mbytes compressed bloat, > backdoor injections by NSA everywhere, no security review possible) will be > the last Picolisp for me. Pil21 is a NO-GO! Finished, for all times. > > You must know, how your friends are, Alex doesn't. > > Have fun! > > Am Montag, 27. April 2020 schrieb Danilo Kordic : > > Guido Stepken: > >> [...] > > > > ""Talk is cheap, show me the code."" -- Linus Torvalds > > > > -- > > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe > > > >
Re: PilCon 2020
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:48 AM Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > Definitely. Maybe the day before ? A short rehearsal for all the people who > have presentations to see if things work well ? I was thinking about having much more time before the event. Like at least a month or two but I don't have the scheduled dates handy. And we could have nice little chats! chri -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: PilCon 2020
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:20, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) > wrote: > > Dear List, > > My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an > online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently this > is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all necessary features of WebRTC. Try 75. Maybe it is better. > I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app, but I don't know how to use an USB > headset with either my phone or a tablet. Maybe an analog headphone and the > device's microphone is the way to go. An analog headphone should be sufficient. But if you mute your mike during the presentations, there is no real need for a headphone. Jean-Christophe Helary --- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: PilCon 2020
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:26, Christophe Gragnic > wrote: > > 2) We could organize a «warm up» as it is done in music festivals Definitely. Maybe the day before ? A short rehearsal for all the people who have presentations to see if things work well ? Jean-Christophe Helary --- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: PilCon 2020
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:44 AM Alexander Burger wrote: > We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5 members > so > far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I don't > know > how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize it. Hi, 1) I'm very excited to hear about this idea of virtual gathering. Sorry for those who could have been to a real gathering, but this will allow me to participate. 2) We could organize a «warm up» as it is done in music festivals
Re: PilCon 2020
Dear List,
My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an online
meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently this is
Firefox's fault though for not supporting all necessary features of WebRTC.
Unfortunately for me there is no alternative ATM. NetBSD has only FF in
packages (both on aarch64 and amd64). I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app,
but I don't know how to use an USB headset with either my phone or a tablet.
Maybe an analog headphone and the device's microphone is the way to go.
I don't feel up to compiling Chrom{e, ium} myself.
I would be grateful for any hints. TIA.
Love,
-- Alexander
Am 28. April 2020 07:38:06 MESZ schrieb Alexander Burger :
>Hi Tomas,
>
>> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are
>playing around
>> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>>
>> I tried Jitsi and it seems broken on NixOS (throwing some Java
>exception
>> about a DNS class not found).
>
>We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5
>members so
>far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I
>don't know
>how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize
>it.
>
>> Does Jitsi also work in Firefox?
>
>I always used the Jitsi Meet app on Android for audio and video, and
>sometimes
>additionally Firefox on a Debian PC to demonstrate things on a shared
>screen.
>
>☺/ A!ex
>
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