Re: [pinhole-discussion] ZP image

2000-12-10 Thread Colin Talcroft
--- Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca wrote:

 P.S.  I wonder how many people on the list do ZP
 together with PH.  Is there
 a ZP Vision group?The two are both very close
 and yet very distant apart
 from an esthetic perspective, at least in my humble
 opinion.

Guy,

I think this is a very intereting subject. I've been
pinholing since I was a teenager in the early 1970s,
but had never even heard of a zone plate until I
joined this list about a year ago. I thought zone
plate a very misleading term. I kept imagining
something hard and rigid--a plate. I think ZP is much
less well-known and suffers from the difficulty of
creating a zone plate relative to creaitng a pinhole
(we all know that even a ragged pin prick in aluminum
foil will produce a pinhole image). I have found ZP
frustrating in both color and black and white, but
(generally speaking) I have so far liked the color
images I have seen by other people better than the BW
images. Although Tina has been kind enough to praise
some of my BW ZP experiments
(http://www2.gol.com/users/talcroft/PinholeSite/zoneplate.html).
Maybe a poll is in order to get some idea how many on
the list know about and have tried ZP photography?--or
maybe it doesn't matter at all. Anyway, I think both
are interesting and continue  to believe it's the
result that counts.

Colin

How about zone lens instead of zone plate?




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Re: [pinhole-discussion] ZP image

2000-12-10 Thread Guy Glorieux

Joao Ribeiro wrote:

 Hi Guillermo,

 This one is even more interesting!
 I was yet to see a zp bw photo that I really liked.
 I think zp works better with color.

Interesting!  I'm a clor person and I've tried ZP in color but never managed
to get anything really interesting while my color PH works terrific.  As if
the blending/overlaps of colors in ZP never really quite matched
esthetically for me.
By contrast, my spouse is a BW person and she has turned into a ZP addict,
producing effects quite similar to infra-red.  Which naturally led her to
test IR film with ZP.  But then the combination of the two was too
contrasty, so she's doing either ZP or IR.


 I don't usually dislike bw zp, but I
 think it looses much of its power. But this one is really great.


Powerful shot indeed!

Guy Glorieux
Montreal, Canada

P.S.  I wonder how many people on the list do ZP together with PH.  Is there
a ZP Vision group?The two are both very close and yet very distant apart
from an esthetic perspective, at least in my humble opinion.




Re: [pinhole-discussion] ZP image

2000-12-10 Thread Joao Ribeiro
Hi Guillermo,

This one is even more interesting!
I was yet to see a zp bw photo that I really liked.
I think zp works better with color. I don't usually dislike bw zp, but I
think it looses much of its power. But this one is really great.

Joao


 Here is another zoneplate image taken with the same camera:
 http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/sirwinston.jpg

 Guillermo