Re: [pinhole-discussion] Request for comments
The Ventura 66 deluxe is a pretty good 6x9( or 6x6? The one I have is 6x9) folder. It would make a great pinhole camera if you wanted to sacrifice the lens and bellows. Attach the shutter with pinhole to the folded door or a plate across the front for a wide angle. I'm not sure if the ansco is a solid body or a folder. Probably cheaper and less a loss than the Ventura. Forget the 127. Film is not generally available. Richard Heather Temi wrote: With which of the following cameras would I be more likely to have success in converting it to a pinhole camera. 120 format - Ventura 66 Deluxe (made in Germany) 127 format - Brownie Reflex - Synchro Model (made by Eastman Kodak Co., N.Y.) 120 format - Ansco Viking (made by Agfa Camera Werk, Munchen, U.S.Zone, Germany) Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Temi ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6x6 Zero Pinhole camera
Right, Colin. That URL is: http://www.p at ???/diary/articles/Zero2000_01_2000.php At 07:29 PM 12/30/00 -0800, you wrote: In response to your question about the new 6X6 Zero Image camera, Joe, you might start by looking at my original review of the first Zero Image model, the Zero 2000, which is in the list archives. I just received my new one yesterday. I am putting it through its paces and plan to write a full review of this model as well, as so many people on the list seem to be interested in these cameras (with good reason). Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ???
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6x6 Zero Pinhole camera
In response to your question about the new 6X6 Zero Image camera, Joe, you might start by looking at my original review of the first Zero Image model, the Zero 2000, which is in the list archives. I just received my new one yesterday. I am putting it through its paces and plan to write a full review of this model as well, as so many people on the list seem to be interested in these cameras (with good reason). Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Request for comments
Either of the 120 format cameras will work fine. Much more difficult to get film for 127 format. I have converted an Ansco Viking 6x9 to pinhole by removing the bellows and fold-out front and gluing a plate over the front of the camera. Very wide-angle -- 29mm focal length. Shutter is made of a hinged, flat refrigerator magnet. I just recently converted an Agfa B2 Speedex Jr. Simple TIME/INST shutter. Easy to remove lens elements. By retaining the fold-out front and bellows, it is a 90mm focal length camera. My favorite conversion is a Ferrania Eura, also with a hinged magnet shutter. Kind of an upscale Holga camera. Quite light weight. Not easy to find, and I've seen people pay ridiculous prices ($65-125). I found one with a scratched lens for $7, so I did not feel bad converting it. Tom With which of the following cameras would I be more likely to have success in converting it to a pinhole camera. 120 format - Ventura 66 Deluxe (made in Germany) 127 format - Brownie Reflex - Synchro Model (made by Eastman Kodak Co., N.Y.) 120 format - Ansco Viking (made by Agfa Camera Werk, Munchen, U.S.Zone, Germany) Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Temi ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Request for comments
I'd stay away from the Brownie if you're planning on shooting on film. As far as I know, the only current maker of 127 film is Efke in Eastern Europe. As a collector of old folding cameras, I'd say the Viking. The Ventura 66 Deluxe should have a Solinar lens that is a very good performer (assuming the camera is in working condition). The Viking most likely has an Agnar that is only so-so and not much of a loss to hack off. On either camera, make sure the bellows are light tight before making any images. The weak points of any Agfa or Ansco camera from the 1950s are the bellows having pinholes (not the good kind) and the grease in the focus having frozen solid (although this is easily fixable). The other consideration would be whether you have the ability to print from a 6x9 negative, which is what I believe the Viking would give you. The Ventura will give a 6x6 negative that may be easier for you to print. Good Luck! Benno Jones Temi wrote: With which of the following cameras would I be more likely to have success in converting it to a pinhole camera. 120 format - Ventura 66 Deluxe (made in Germany) 127 format - Brownie Reflex - Synchro Model (made by Eastman Kodak Co., N.Y.) 120 format - Ansco Viking (made by Agfa Camera Werk, Munchen, U.S.Zone, Germany) Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Temi ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
[pinhole-discussion] Request for comments
With which of the following cameras would I be more likely to have success in converting it to a pinhole camera. 120 format - Ventura 66 Deluxe (made in Germany) 127 format - Brownie Reflex - Synchro Model (made by Eastman Kodak Co., N.Y.) 120 format - Ansco Viking (made by Agfa Camera Werk, Munchen, U.S.Zone, Germany) Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Temi
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Zero camera, 6x6
Joe, I just went to see your web site! What a jewel your pictures are. Can't decide between Meditation, Belazaire, Shrimp boats and The Devil's toothpick which I like best... Whaooo! Pinhole and bromoil... You're going to make a killing. -:)) Best, Guy Glorieux joebe...@aol.com wrote: Thanks again for all of the great comments. I have an old Oatmeal box camera which made great paper negs in years past and just received a Bender 4x5 pinhole camera kit for Christmas, which I just finished building and cannot wait to try it out. Came across the Zero website by accident and was really intrigued by it. Wish I would have gotten the Zero 6x6 camera first. I believe I will still order one with the pinhole to try out. Cheaper to use the 120 film than 4x5 Polaroid or sheet film for that matter. I can do soft focus manipulations in the darkroom to give me zone plate similiarity I guess. This is a great list and I am glad I joined. I hope to be sharing my own ideas with you people in the near future. Cannot wait to do pinhole photographs to use in my Bromoil process. Happy New Year to all, Joe Besse http://members.aol.com/sixbysixcm/JB.html Bromoil ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] RE: crazy pinhole stories
I passed along the airport story to my friend that does Cirkut pictures. (these are the large, rotating camera panoramics, each shot is a 10x6' sheet of film) He once took his camera to Central America and experienced airport difficulties, since the films are rolled in tubes that look like dynamite.g This was his reply: I would love to know where he was when he had the problem. Small airports with clueless bored security people seem to be the worst. My worst problems were in Charleston (WV) and Rapid City SD. In Managua they know just what a gun looks like, what a bomb looks like and what to do about them. They don't hassle the rest of us. This is not always the case of course. I have a recollection that Abbas Shirmohammadi was all set up to do a Cirkut shot of Clinton's last Inauguration and the security bozos made him take the cirkut cameras down. He shot with a Noblex but the pic was kinda crummy.
[pinhole-discussion] Zero camera, 6x6
Thanks again for all of the great comments. I have an old Oatmeal box camera which made great paper negs in years past and just received a Bender 4x5 pinhole camera kit for Christmas, which I just finished building and cannot wait to try it out. Came across the Zero website by accident and was really intrigued by it. Wish I would have gotten the Zero 6x6 camera first. I believe I will still order one with the pinhole to try out. Cheaper to use the 120 film than 4x5 Polaroid or sheet film for that matter. I can do soft focus manipulations in the darkroom to give me zone plate similiarity I guess. This is a great list and I am glad I joined. I hope to be sharing my own ideas with you people in the near future. Cannot wait to do pinhole photographs to use in my Bromoil process. Happy New Year to all, Joe Besse http://members.aol.com/sixbysixcm/JB.html Bromoil
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #126 - 12 msgs
--- joebe...@aol.com wrote: Dear George and Gregg: Thanks a lot for your insight on the 6x6 Zero camera. Will have to rethink wehat model I want. Also, do you prefer the zone plate over the pinhole or vice-versa? Seems to me the zone plate is rather soft focus and would be better suited for pictorials. I got the Zone Plate version. I have shot much more Pinhole than Zone Plate, so I wanted to explore more in this area. The two are quite different, so it's a matter of deciding which direction you personally want to take. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6x6 Zero Pinhole camera
As far as zone plate or pinhole, that's a preference call for you. I only have the pinhole. But I did want to comment further that the Zero pinholes are very accurate and produce very sharp images. You'll get a sharp image each time (discounting hand-held or other factors). While I really like the Zero camera (mostly for travel), I prefer making my own cameras out of various materials, cans or boxes - and my own pinholes. This allows me to control how sharp or fuzzy I want an image. If you want to learn about photography in general and specifically pinhole photography, nothing will teach you faster than making a camera out of a box or can, making a pinhole, and then exposing, processing, and contact printing photographic paper. But, if you want to own a well crafted pinhole camera and not interested in the learning part, you can't beat the Zero cameras. And, of course, you can do both at the same time. (my 2 cents), Gregg At 10:08 AM 12/30/00 -0500, you wrote: Dear George and Gregg: Thanks a lot for your insight on the 6x6 Zero camera. Will have to rethink wehat model I want. Also, do you prefer the zone plate over the pinhole or vice-versa? Seems to me the zone plate is rather soft focus and would be better suited for pictorials. Joe Besse ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ???
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Multiple Zone Plates Per Image
Magnifico! Guy Larry Fratkin wrote: I have added some fields to my zone plate calculator to allow multiple zone plates per image. Larry
[pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #126 - 12 msgs
Dear George and Gregg: Thanks a lot for your insight on the 6x6 Zero camera. Will have to rethink wehat model I want. Also, do you prefer the zone plate over the pinhole or vice-versa? Seems to me the zone plate is rather soft focus and would be better suited for pictorials. Joe Besse
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole anecdotes
Hi Jim and All, Using tape as an exposure marker is a good idea. When I load tin can and cigar box cameras, I put a blank strip of 3/4 or 1 masking tape on them. Then as I make exposures, I'll either take the tape off, or write the date, subject, exposure time and anything else that fits, literally, on it. At home, the tape can be placed on a piece of paper as a permanent record of the excursion - or transcribed for legibility, if preferred. For an anecdote... One of the first pinhole cameras I made was fabricated from the fabled oatmeal box. One winter day, I went to the top floor of a parking ramp to make a mid-level skyline photo of downtown Minneapolis. The top floor was slippery and a sheet of ice near the edge, so I was on hands and knees as I placed the camera at the edge to make the exposure. In mid-exposure, a gust of wind slid the camera off into an eight story drop to the sidewalk below. The box lid popped slightly at the seam, and the light streaks actually enhanced the image. I still use the camera occasionally, which now has one extra piece of electrician's tape on it. The incident also got me in the habit of carrying a small brick to put on top of the box to stabilize it during exposure. (If I would have purchased the scanner mentioned in a recent email, I'd post the skyline photo... probably will when I do buy one.) Parking ramps are a great place to photograph cities. You're above street level, which prevents some of the distortion that happens photographing buildings from street level. You can take an elevator to the top without passing building guards and can photograph reasonably high up without having to shoot through window glass. Tom - Original Message - From: Kosinski Family To: Pinhole Discussion List Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole anecdotes Hello everyone, Here are a couple of things that happened to me on recent pinhole excursions... you have a lot of fun when you carry a paintcan camera around. I was sitting in a courtyard cafe with the camera on the table and the couple at the next table turned around and asked me Hey, what color do you have? I told them I have all the colors of the rainbow in there! Then I showed them how it worked and we ended up having a very nice chat about pinhole photography. Another day I was walking down Main St. in Cooperstown carrying 2 cameras and the driver of the rural transportation bus (Gus the Bus) pulled over and opened the door. I bet you're goin' to do some paintin' today! he yelled out the door (this is a very rural area and we can be a friendly folk). Heck no, this is a camera and I'm takin' pictures I responded. He drove off scratching his head. I don't think making dumb mistakes is all that crazy, but it's amazing to me to see how smart we can be after all that schooling and experience. Like this week, I figured out how to take a lot of cameras out and cover up their number with black tape after I made the exposure in order to tell which ones had been used. I forgot to cover a few up and they became double exposed and way too dark to print. Must still be high on the learning curve... I'd like to collect more interesting anecdotes if you have any... Wishing you all a very Happy New Year! Jim Kosinski www.paintcancamera.com
[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole anecdotes
Hello everyone, Here are a couple of things that happened to me on recent pinhole excursions... you have a lot of fun when you carry a paintcan camera around. I was sitting in a courtyard cafe with the camera on the table and the couple at the next table turned around and asked me Hey, what color do you have? I told them I have all the colors of the rainbow in there! Then I showed them how it worked and we ended up having a very nice chat about pinhole photography. Another day I was walking down Main St. in Cooperstown carrying 2 cameras and the driver of the rural transportation bus (Gus the Bus) pulled over and opened the door. I bet you're goin' to do some paintin' today! he yelled out the door (this is a very rural area and we can be a friendly folk). Heck no, this is a camera and I'm takin' pictures I responded. He drove off scratching his head. I don't think making dumb mistakes is all that crazy, but it's amazing to me to see how smart we can be after all that schooling and experience. Like this week, I figured out how to take a lot of cameras out and cover up their number with black tape after I made the exposure in order to tell which ones had been used. I forgot to cover a few up and they became double exposed and way too dark to print. Must still be high on the learning curve... I'd like to collect more interesting anecdotes if you have any... Wishing you all a very Happy New Year! Jim Kosinski www.paintcancamera.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6x6 Zero Pinhole camera
In a message dated 12/29/00 1:54:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, joebe...@aol.com writes: Can anyone tell me something about the camera made in Hong Kong, 6x6 Zero Pinhole Camera. I am relatively new to pinhole photography and I am considering the purchase of this camera. Thanks for your help. Joe Besse BUY IT :) Harry A HREF=http://www.figurefoto.com/;Figurefoto.com/A
Re: [pinhole-discussion] hello everyone
- Original Message - From: elenab...@aol.com So heres my idea, now dig. I want to do some long exposures, IM talking like 24 hour exposures. I wanted to make several small crude box pinhole cameras and tape them up all over the city, leave them overnight and go and collect them in the morning. unfortunately I dont know a thing about pinhole exposures and am about to do some experimenting. People have done similar stuff, exposures of 24 hours and more. You say you are about to do some experimenting, well that's is exactly what you have to do. When you get to exposures that long, experimenting (trial and error) is about the only way. I have a few questions about it. How far does the actual pinhole have to be from the film.? As far or as close as you want it. Pinhole lenses behave very similar to a glass lens. That distance is nothing but the focal length of your pinhole camera. So, the distance obeys to the angle of view you want and obviously the format size of your photo material. How long can I expose for.? It depends on the amount of light. Again, for long exposures, experiment. how big should the pinhole be? The so called optimum size is given by the following formula: Diameter in inches = 0.0073 * SQRT(Focal length in inches) If you want less sharp results increase the diameter. If you got answers, I got an ear. I recommend you to read Pinhole Photography: Rediscovering a Historic Technique by Eric Renner. thanks, Elena Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] hello everyone
Take a needle, any needle. punch holes in disposable pie tins. Tape the hole over a small hole in a cardboard box about 20 long. In a darkroom under darkroom light, tape photographic paper in the box opposite the pinhole.. Tape the box closed and put it into a black garbage bag. Tape the bag to the box so only the pinhole shows. Put tape over the pinhole. Put the box where you want it a little before sunset. Take the tape off the pinhole. Leave it until morning light is pretty bright and the sun is up (if you can see the sun). Develop the paper. Repeat the next night if necessary to correct exposure, putting it out earlier or leaving it out later depending on what you want more or less exposed. With exposures this long the exposure time is much less critical, but make at least 1-2 hour adjustments. You'll be surprised how good the images are. - Original Message - From: elenab...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:01 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] hello everyone Hello! Im Elena and have been experimenting with photography for just a bit now. I really had no connection with the fancy camera that I received for my birthday last year. its too tech-tastic. Its not for me. So my friend John introduced me to a lubitel. I fell in love with it and ive have been blowing my own mind with it. Its a very primitive way to record images. So I had an idea for trying some pinhole photos. So heres my idea, now dig. I want to do some long exposures, IM talking like 24 hour exposures. I wanted to make several small crude box pinhole cameras and tape them up all over the city, leave them overnight and go and collect them in the morning. unfortunately I dont know a thing about pinhole exposures and am about to do some experimenting. I have a few questions about it. How far does the actual pinhole have to be from the film.? How long can I expose for.? how big should the pinhole be? If you got answers, I got an ear. thanks, Elena
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6x6 Zero Pinhole camera
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:52:41 EST, joebe...@aol.com wrote: Can anyone tell me something about the camera made in Hong Kong, 6x6 Zero Pinhole Camera. I am relatively new to pinhole photography and I am considering the purchase of this camera. Joe, I second what Gregg and George already said. I own both cameras and they are worth the money. If you are going to buy one: take the cable release shutter, too. It makes the handling much more easier. I got one on my 6x9 and I'm going to add one to my Zero2000. Dieter -- Dieter's Lochkamera Seite: http://www.bingo-ev.de/~db106/index.htm Lochkamera-FAQ: http://www.bingo-ev.de/~db106/faq.htm Lochkamera-Mailing-Liste: http://www.bingo-ev.de/~db106/mail.htm
