RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Michael Keller
Was deleting older mail from another list, and found this, thought I'd post
it here:

New Postal Service Equipment May Destroy Film

Responding to the threat of additional anthrax attacks, the United States
Postal Service has announced that it is installing irradiation equipment to
sterilize mail. This security measure, which is reasonable in light of the
current situation, has prompted questions from several members regarding the
possibility of film being damaged or destroyed in the mail.

The Postal Service has cited security concerns and is refusing to give
specific details about the equipment. However, the Postal Service has said
that the irradiation equipment will be similar to that used for food
sterilization. Such food sterilization equipment either uses gamma rays or
electrons, generated by the radioactive isotope Cobalt-60 and electricity
respectively, to destroy bacteria. According to a NASA study obtained by
PPA, these types of so-called "soft radiation," are also very efficient in
transferring energy to photographic film. (NASA Contractor Report 188427,
Sept. 1995)

While the potential for film damage and fogging will likely depend on the
settings and types of equipment used, Professional Photographers of America
is urging caution on the part of all members who use the United States
Postal Service to ship film.




Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper

2001-11-11 Thread George L Smyth
--- b2myo...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 11/11/01 8:38:47 AM, glsm...@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> << How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? >>
> 
> Cut the paper negative 4" x 5" and place it in the negative carrier then in 
> the negative stage of the enlarger, emulsion side down. Set you enlarger lens
> 
> wide open and make a test print. The problem is focusing. You can use a film 
> negative to do that and then substitute the paper neg...if you have trouble 
> focusing. It works...with an extended exposure. You can dodge and burn and I 
> maybe use filters.
> 
> leezy

Hmm, never heard of doing that.  I'll give it a try the next time I get into
the darkroom.

Cheers -

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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Grafmatic holders

2001-11-11 Thread Eric S. Theise
Guy Glorieux writes:
> Have you had any problems with bent septums?  I understand that you have to be
> quite careful with them or your Grafmatic gets stuck very quickly (and you get
> pretty mad at it and throw it in the dust bin...).

I haven't had any problems with mine, either.  I wish I'd had that webpage
I posted the other day when I got my first one, but cycling through the
septums in daylight, getting the rhythm of which switch turns what when
was excellent and worthwhile practice.

If it ever feels like I'm forcing something, I assume I am, take a
deep breath, and reconsider what I'm doing wrong.  They're wonderfully
engineered and pretty foolproof, eg, they lock after you've exposed all
six sheets.

All of you with Grafmatics in your dustbins, you just send 'em my way.
I have two of each size at this point, and someday when I'm prepared to
shoot color, I'll be able to head out confidently with one pack of 
b & w and one of color.

--Eric



Re: [pinhole-discussion] Grafmatic holders

2001-11-11 Thread DAlfrey
In a message dated 11/11/01 3:40:51 PM Central Standard Time, 
guy.glori...@sympatico.ca writes:

<< Have you had any problems with bent septums?  I understand that you have 
to be
 quite careful with them or your Grafmatic gets stuck very quickly (and you 
get
 pretty mad at it and throw it in the dust bin...).
 Guy
  >>
No, Guy, I havent had any problems (keeping my fingers crossed  for luck 
here) and I have been using them quite a while. For me, I just take my time 
loading ,and work with delicate fingering /handling of the holders that go 
into the back, if there is ANY sign of resistance in loading I stop , back 
track , wait a  minute or two so I might my focus/composure and become 
patient again, but then I again, I am slow to load regular film holders(4X5) 
or even my Hasselblad backs . I figure the extra time it might take to load 
something I feel comfortable with , will pay off in the end , And, of course 
that is not to say I dont scratch the films occasionally/rarely, but that is 
all part of the loading responsibility  I accept. Bottom line, for me, it 
just requires intense concentration, probably more  than for  most people 
 

dalf...@aol.com



[pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives

2001-11-11 Thread ethereal art
They wrote:
There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film
back right?
No...and you can enlarge them in a 4" x 5" enlarger...and in color too.
leezy


Actually, I think leezy meant film for the color part. But for your
knowledge, I have put a 4x5 paper negatives into a 4x5 enlarger and made
prints. You have to put the lens on wide-open and stare at the image for a
while before it registers because it is quite dim. But it is worth doing.
The pictures come out kind of soft looking like older photographs.
Rosanne




Re: [pinhole-discussion] new pinhole images 6x9

2001-11-11 Thread Erich
New easy-for-travel camera:

Greetings!

While I am still "licking my wounds" from carrying around that
8x10 Toyo ... I finally found a convient "travel camera for older men
like me " (grin). 

While some are waiting for those new Ibiza images (yes they are about
to emerge from the darkroom soon), I started playing with my NEW TOY:
A "new" Agfa Synchro Box 

A small number of images are now on display here: Click that Updates
Button
http://www.fotair.de

Erich



[pinhole-discussion] Grafmatic holders

2001-11-11 Thread Guy Glorieux

dalf...@aol.com wrote:

> I have 2 of the old Grafmatic holders, they are nice , convenient and real
> space savers . a bit tricky learning to load them , but once you learn, is
> simple really .

Have you had any problems with bent septums?  I understand that you have to be
quite careful with them or your Grafmatic gets stuck very quickly (and you get
pretty mad at it and throw it in the dust bin...).
Guy




Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper

2001-11-11 Thread Guy Glorieux
I've done that quite a number of times in the past.  The image is highly 
textured
from the fiber of the paper.  You can oil the paper-negative to make it more
translucent, but you want to be careful not to get messy and oil up your 
negative
carrier, lest you clean it throughly afterwards.
Guy

b2myo...@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/11/01 8:38:47 AM, glsm...@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? >>
>
> Cut the paper negative 4" x 5" and place it in the negative carrier then in
> the negative stage of the enlarger, emulsion side down. Set you enlarger lens
> wide open and make a test print. The problem is focusing. You can use a film
> negative to do that and then substitute the paper neg...if you have trouble
> focusing. It works...with an extended exposure. You can dodge and burn and I
> maybe use filters.
>
> leezy
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] FYI - Ebay - Vintage? Plate Camera? BELLOWS 23 x 18 inch

2001-11-11 Thread Guy Glorieux
Perfect for anyone who wants to build a 16x20 pinhole camera!
Guy

Andy Schmitt wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294416357
>
>


Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper

2001-11-11 Thread B2MYOUNG
In a message dated 11/11/01 8:38:47 AM, glsm...@yahoo.com writes:

<< How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? >>

Cut the paper negative 4" x 5" and place it in the negative carrier then in 
the negative stage of the enlarger, emulsion side down. Set you enlarger lens 
wide open and make a test print. The problem is focusing. You can use a film 
negative to do that and then substitute the paper neg...if you have trouble 
focusing. It works...with an extended exposure. You can dodge and burn and I 
maybe use filters.

leezy



[pinhole-discussion] FYI - Ebay - Vintage? Plate Camera? BELLOWS 23 x 18 inch

2001-11-11 Thread Andy Schmitt
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RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Michael Keller
I've never had a problem with getting a hand check of roll film in a US
airport. I put the film (either in clear cans or NO cans) in a Ziplock bag
in my camera bag, then remove the film and hand it to the security guy while
sending my camera bag and junk through the scanner. In a flight three weeks
ago, where all I carried was my Horizon in a little bag (I was flying to DC
to buy a car and drive it back, no luggage), I let that go through, but for
the first time they all sent all the junk from my pocket through the scanner
(keys, change etc) rather than just handing it through the other side of the
the people scanner. Also, the security folks were checking EVERYthing they
didn't understand, including looking in my fanny pack for my Palm III. In
the past I've had em look in my camera bag, I guess they're not used to
seeing camera bodies and lenses separately.





RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Michael Keller
>From http://www.luminous-landscape.com/mail.htm:

The following is a recent (Oct 26) Alert by the PPA (Professional
Photographers of America).

According to Post Office materials, the USPS is conducting research "to
ensure that technology used for sanitizing equipment does not cause other
problems by damaging sensitive material such as videotapes." However, PPA
has not received any concrete assurances from the Post Office that the new
equipment will not harm photographic film.

When asked if Airborne Express was intent on purchasing irradiation
equipment to sanitize parcels, a spokesman for the company stated that he is
not specifically aware of the additional equipment that may or may not be
purchased, and promised to notify PPA of any developments. He also provided
PPA with a copy of a letter sent October 18 to Airborne clients, which notes
that since their shipments are traceable to the originating shipper,
Airborne Express as well as most cargo carriers would not be a popular
target for bioterrorist activity.

Federal Express and United Parcel Service have not yet responded to PPA
inquiries regarding the use of irradiation equipment. When that information
is provided, PPA will notify its members.

Several members have asked about the possibility of damage to CDs.
According to data from manufacturers, compact discs should be immune to
damage from radiation.




Re: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Erich
Tom,

  > Per Kodak: "When traveling internationally, therefore, always ask
  > for hand-inspection of your film and single-use cameras."  In my
  > infrequent travels in Europe, airport security always steadfastly
  > (although politely) refuses to hand-inspect film, sending it all
  > through the X-ray machine anyway.

I can only tell by my own experiences at Frankfurt/Main Internatl.
Airport: I had 2 boxes of sheetfilm in my handbag and requested 
"individualized" inspection. For years they have in use a screening
machine that can dectect Semtex explosives. The device first works 
similar to a vacuum cleaner. Then the "dust" sucked off the filmboxes
is analyzed and within 5 minutes clearance was given. A security staff
member then accompanied me with my filmboxes into the waiting room to
make sure nothing else was put into the filmbox after inspection.

Sounds pretty ok to me. Of course, this was BEFORE Sept. 11

Erich



Re: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Tom Miller
Per Kodak: "When traveling internationally, therefore, always ask for
hand-inspection of your film and single-use cameras."  In my
infrequent travels in Europe, airport security always steadfastly
(although politely) refuses to hand-inspect film, sending it all
through the X-ray machine anyway.  A friend who is a photographer,
laywer and frequent international traveler has told me that in the
United States airline passengers have to right to request a hand
inspection of carry-on bags, but this right does not exist abroad.
What are your experiences?  It would be interesting to hear from other
travelers, especially since this list is a global community.

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> FRom Kodak:
>
> http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/sanitize.shtml
> http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/xRayScanner.shtml
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RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Michael Keller
FRom Kodak:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/sanitize.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/xRayScanner.shtml





RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Michael Keller
I checked UPS' web site and saw nothing about the electron beaming. Got a
specific source?
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RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Michael Keller
Euuuwww, didn't know that.

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|Of course the UPS is now electron-beam scanning packages to try and kill 
|anthrax, and I don't know what effect those things have on films...
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper

2001-11-11 Thread George L Smyth
--- b2myo...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 11/10/01 8:23:04 PM, ra...@rahji.com writes:
> 
> << There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film
> back right? >>
> 
> No...and you can enlarge them in a 4" x 5" enlarger...and in color too.
> leezy

How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger?

Cheers -

george

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RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se

2001-11-11 Thread Derek Clarke
Of course the UPS is now electron-beam scanning packages to try and kill 
anthrax, and I don't know what effect those things have on films...

m.w.kel...@verizon.net (Michael Keller) wrote:

> Fuji has posted a warning (http://www.fujifilm.com/filmsafety/xray.pdf)
> about unprocessed film travelling through airports, I wouldn't buy any 
> film
> unless they agreed to ship UPS.
> 
> 
> |-Original Message-
> |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???
> |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Uptown 
> Gallery
> |Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 1:11 AM
> |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
> |Subject: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by
> |anyone for security now???
> |
> |
> |Hello:
> |
> |B4 I bid on any eBay film, does anyone know the possibility of
> |xray usage in
> |recent weeks to inspect mail/packages like airports?
> |
> |Thanks
> |
> |Murray
> |
> 



Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper

2001-11-11 Thread George L Smyth
Sure, you could use paper too.  Of course, your final results would be limited
to 4X5, as you could only contactprint the negative, but if that was what you
wanted, then that should work okay.

Cheers -

george



--- R Duarte  wrote:
> There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film
> back right?
> 
> 
> > From: Guy Glorieux 
> ...
> > 
> > George L Smyth wrote:
> > 
> >> I use 4X5 and 8X10 all the time.  The advantage is that you can use film
> >> holders to swap the film out, so shooting is not a one shot deal.
> > 
> > Hi George,
> > I'm not sure I understood that one.  What do you mean by "swapping the film
> > out",
> > so that shooting is not a one shot deal?
> 
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper

2001-11-11 Thread DAlfrey
In a message dated 11/10/01 11:39:29 PM Central Standard Time, 
mat...@cyberwerks.com writes:

<< Yes, you're talking about the Grafmatic.  It comes in 4 x 5 and 2-1/4
 x 3-1/4 sizes, and each holds six sheets.  I love them, and there's a
 page about them at:
 
 http://www.graflex.org/speed-graphic/grafmatic/
 
 --Eric
  >>
I have 2 of the old Grafmatic holders, they are nice , convenient and real 
space savers . a bit tricky learning to load them , but once you learn, is 
simple really . I wouldnt advise it, but I suppose it could be done, you 
could load different types of film in, and keep track of what type of film is 
what number, via, No.2,No 4, and No 6 are one type , with No 1, No 3 , and No 
5 being another type, I picked up my Grafmatics at a used camera store, for 
about 60-65$  each. the other nice thing is, lets just say you are doing 
pinhole work, but also have along a 4X5 lensed camera, you can use the 
Grafmatic there too, at least I can on mine, .plus I can use a 
Polaroid back on either 



Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper

2001-11-11 Thread Eric S. Theise
George L Smyth writes:

> there is a Grafloc holder that can do this.  It holds half a dozen or
> so sheets.  I don't have one, but always thought that it would be more
> convenient than carrying a handful of holders that carry two each.

Yes, you're talking about the Grafmatic.  It comes in 4 x 5 and 2-1/4
x 3-1/4 sizes, and each holds six sheets.  I love them, and there's a
page about them at:

http://www.graflex.org/speed-graphic/grafmatic/

--Eric