Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
--- Andrew Amundsen a...@tcinternet.net wrote: Hi everyone, I am freshly inspired after this weekends pinhole forum, hosted by Tom Miller and Bill Erikson, at the pARTs gallery in Minneapolis. Very nice job, hope to see more like it. I'm interested in trying paper negative work with pinhole. So I have a couple quick questions for those with paper negative experience: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? 2) Does the Kodak name, from the back, show through on the final print when you print with that brand? or is it faint enough not to? In my experience, I have never seen the Kodak logo. 3) Which is best to use RC or fiber? You want something that is going to make good contact when contact printing. Glossy RC will go firmly in contact when it is time to print. 4) Any good starting exposures for brands of paper you might be familiar with? Ilford MGIV EI2 would be a good starting point. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
--- Katharine Thayer ktha...@pacifier.com wrote: Andrew Amundsen wrote: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? Kodak single-weight paper has no labeling on the back. Keep in mind that single weight paper is going to curl like mad. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
Hi Andrew, Thank you for the kind comments. There will be more forums (or fora, for purists). To tell the truth, I'm looking forward to seeing the answer to your questions on which paper to use. I still have a box or two of Ilford Multigrade III RC matt, which was single-weight with no markings on the back. Ilford discontinued making matt RC when they brought out Multigrade IV. A loss for pinholers. RC paper has the advantage of not curling. Also, I've read that the fiber texture in the paper can affect the print. Tom - Original Message - From: Andrew Amundsen a...@tcinternet.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions Hi everyone, I am freshly inspired after this weekends pinhole forum, hosted by Tom Miller and Bill Erikson, at the pARTs gallery in Minneapolis. Very nice job, hope to see more like it. I'm interested in trying paper negative work with pinhole. So I have a couple quick questions for those with paper negative experience: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? 2) Does the Kodak name, from the back, show through on the final print when you print with that brand? or is it faint enough not to? 3) Which is best to use RC or fiber? 4) Any good starting exposures for brands of paper you might be familiar with? Well that will give me a good start, thanks for any help you can pass on! Sincerly, Andrew Amundsen ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
Andrew Amundsen wrote: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? Kodak single-weight paper has no labeling on the back. Katharine Thayer
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
Thanks for the comment. I thought it was good too. Most folks like Ilford paper. No, the kodak printing doesn't always come through, but you never can tell. most folks use an ISo of 5 for starters. I've always used RC. - Original Message - From: Andrew Amundsen a...@tcinternet.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions Hi everyone, I am freshly inspired after this weekends pinhole forum, hosted by Tom Miller and Bill Erikson, at the pARTs gallery in Minneapolis. Very nice job, hope to see more like it. I'm interested in trying paper negative work with pinhole. So I have a couple quick questions for those with paper negative experience: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? 2) Does the Kodak name, from the back, show through on the final print when you print with that brand? or is it faint enough not to? 3) Which is best to use RC or fiber? 4) Any good starting exposures for brands of paper you might be familiar with? Well that will give me a good start, thanks for any help you can pass on! Sincerly, Andrew Amundsen ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Questions
Gary, Yes, it will turn out as a positive. But with some papers you can use this process apparently to reduce the tonal scale from an extremely contrasty negative. It's called the Emmerman Process. The process goes as follows: After pre-soaking the paper, expose under the enlarger for the shadows (exposure will be about 1/2 the time of the normal exposure for that print) and let the developper work for about 1.5 minutes. The shadows will develop first and will block the area from further exposure to light. In the second stage expose the paper for the highlights (about 1.5 times the normal time) and place the paper in the developper tray for 1.5-2 minutes. Stop, fix as usual. The resulting print will normally show much more details in the shadows than you would get otherwise, while the highlights and the midtones will be normal. I did some experiments with pre-soaking in developper several years ago while attending a workshop with Robert Mann and it gave me prints that had some partial solarisation effects into it. Check the reference pop-up on the Emmerman Process at Robert Mann's web site at http://parisdarkroom.com/ It's an interesting process that works with some images, but I have not pushed it very far. Guy - Original Message - From: Gary Nored gno...@centurytel.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Questions On 22 Jun 2002, at 0:49, Guy Glorieux wrote: If you want to be real fancy with paper negatives and darkroom other techniques, check the amazing article on the BostickSullivan web site The Mortensen Wet Paper Negative Method http://www.bostick-sullivan.com/Technical_papers/mortenso.htm Guy, I read this link with fascination. But I can't help wondering what the purpose was for using developer-soaked paper for the first positive. It still comes out positive, right? Any ideas? Gary Nored ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Questions
On 22 Jun 2002, at 0:49, Guy Glorieux wrote: If you want to be real fancy with paper negatives and darkroom other techniques, check the amazing article on the BostickSullivan web site The Mortensen Wet Paper Negative Method http://www.bostick-sullivan.com/Technical_papers/mortenso.htm Guy, I read this link with fascination. But I can't help wondering what the purpose was for using developer-soaked paper for the first positive. It still comes out positive, right? Any ideas? Gary Nored
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Questions
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Questions
Ilford multigrade is best. If you are going to use paper flat, then the surface doesn't matter. if you are going to curve the paper, as around the inside of a can, use the flattest surface you can get. I think peal is as dull as Iolford gets. The usual rule of thumb for any paper is ISo of 5 or 6. the other thing about paper negatives is that the results tend to be very contrasty. If you don't like that, use a yellow filter and double the exposure time. Is the new e-mail address the ofical one? - Original Message - From: David To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Questions Hi, I have a couple of questions concerning paper negatives: 1.What brand and type of paper makes the best paper negatives? I have heard that the Kodak logo on the back will show up in prints made from paper negatives. 2.What is the ISO rating of various papers? Any other comments or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David d...@ix.netcom.com
[pinhole-discussion] Paper Negative Questions
Hi, I have a couple of questions concerning paper negatives: 1.What brand and type of paper makes the best paper negatives? I have heard that the Kodak logo on the back will show up in prints made from paper negatives. 2.What is the ISO rating of various papers? Any other comments or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David d...@ix.netcom.com
