Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
Remember that this is a 1949 formula! Actually, it rings a bell in my mind. When I was a kid in the late 1950s, I learned all about photography from reading books (sometimes quite old) and magazines at the local public library. I seem to remember that I tried this formula or something similar back then. This was a time when there was only fiber-based paper... So don't even think of trying that with RC paper. It won't work. Cheers, -:)) Guy b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/27/01 9:17:00 PM, pen...@rogers.com writes: Mezcla 8 cm3 de aceite de alcanfor, 4 cm3 de alcohol, añade 1 cm3 de parafina. Gentilmente aplica esa mezcla al reves del papel usando una almohadita de algodon LOL :-) mix together 8 ml of camphorated oil, 4 ml alcohol, add 1 ml of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting aha...that's what I was looking for. I hope it works. Thank you, Guillermo. leezy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
In a message dated 11/27/01 9:17:00 PM, pen...@rogers.com writes: Mezcla 8 cm3 de aceite de alcanfor, 4 cm3 de alcohol, añade 1 cm3 de parafina. Gentilmente aplica esa mezcla al reves del papel usando una almohadita de algodon LOL :-) mix together 8 ml of camphorated oil, 4 ml alcohol, add 1 ml of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting aha...that's what I was looking for. I hope it works. Thank you, Guillermo. leezy
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
now was that an English bat or an American one? andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of G.Penate Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:17 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper - Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com mix together 8 cm3 of camphorated oil, 4 cm3 alcohol, add 1 cm3 of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting. Can someone please translate this for me? leezy Mezcla 8 cm3 de aceite de alcanfor, 4 cm3 de alcohol, añade 1 cm3 de parafina. Gentilmente aplica esa mezcla al reves del papel usando una almohadita de algodon was it Spanish you wanted? ;-) BTW: cm3 stands for: CC and that is cubic centimeter. One CC or cubic centimeter is equal to one milliliter. It'd probably make sense for you if it reads: mix together 8 ml of camphorated oil, 4 ml alcohol, add 1 ml of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
- Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com mix together 8 cm3 of camphorated oil, 4 cm3 alcohol, add 1 cm3 of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting. Can someone please translate this for me? leezy Mezcla 8 cm3 de aceite de alcanfor, 4 cm3 de alcohol, añade 1 cm3 de parafina. Gentilmente aplica esa mezcla al reves del papel usando una almohadita de algodon was it Spanish you wanted? ;-) BTW: cm3 stands for: CC and that is cubic centimeter. One CC or cubic centimeter is equal to one milliliter. It'd probably make sense for you if it reads: mix together 8 ml of camphorated oil, 4 ml alcohol, add 1 ml of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
In a message dated 11/27/01 3:15:54 PM, asve...@skynet.be writes: mix together 8 cm3 of camphorated oil, 4 cm3 alcohol, add 1 cm3 of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting. Can someone please translate this for me? leezy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
I have an old Gevaert (1949) Photographic manual saying: you can render paper transparent by using the following formula: mix together 8 cm3 of camphorated oil, 4 cm3 alcohol, add 1 cm3 of paraffin. Gently apply that mixture on the back of the paper using a batting. The coating will dry quickly and the texture of the paper disappear. If you have all these ingredients, maybe it worth trying... Hugues -- Atelier de Photographie Hugues Mertens http://users.skynet.be/asveyou
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
- Original Message - From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film back right? No...and you can enlarge them in a 4 x 5 enlarger...and in color too. leezy How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? I taught a pinhole workshop for a local camera club this past Thursday. One of the exposures I made was a paper negative 35mm format!! which I then proceeded to enlarge to 6x6 size (a center portion of the negative) . I had no problem doing so and IMO it held up OK, even when using satin finish BW paper, glossy paper would give better results I'd assume. BTW, focusing on the grain of the photo paper was absolutely not a problem, it was very much like focusing on film grain. Never enlarged paper before, it is definitely doable. Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
--- b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/11/01 8:38:47 AM, glsm...@yahoo.com writes: How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? Cut the paper negative 4 x 5 and place it in the negative carrier then in the negative stage of the enlarger, emulsion side down. Set you enlarger lens wide open and make a test print. The problem is focusing. You can use a film negative to do that and then substitute the paper neg...if you have trouble focusing. It works...with an extended exposure. You can dodge and burn and I maybe use filters. leezy Hmm, never heard of doing that. I'll give it a try the next time I get into the darkroom. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
I've done that quite a number of times in the past. The image is highly textured from the fiber of the paper. You can oil the paper-negative to make it more translucent, but you want to be careful not to get messy and oil up your negative carrier, lest you clean it throughly afterwards. Guy b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/11/01 8:38:47 AM, glsm...@yahoo.com writes: How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? Cut the paper negative 4 x 5 and place it in the negative carrier then in the negative stage of the enlarger, emulsion side down. Set you enlarger lens wide open and make a test print. The problem is focusing. You can use a film negative to do that and then substitute the paper neg...if you have trouble focusing. It works...with an extended exposure. You can dodge and burn and I maybe use filters. leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
In a message dated 11/11/01 8:38:47 AM, glsm...@yahoo.com writes: How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? Cut the paper negative 4 x 5 and place it in the negative carrier then in the negative stage of the enlarger, emulsion side down. Set you enlarger lens wide open and make a test print. The problem is focusing. You can use a film negative to do that and then substitute the paper neg...if you have trouble focusing. It works...with an extended exposure. You can dodge and burn and I maybe use filters. leezy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
--- b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/10/01 8:23:04 PM, ra...@rahji.com writes: There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film back right? No...and you can enlarge them in a 4 x 5 enlarger...and in color too. leezy How would you enlarge paper via your enlarger? Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
Sure, you could use paper too. Of course, your final results would be limited to 4X5, as you could only contactprint the negative, but if that was what you wanted, then that should work okay. Cheers - george --- R Duarte ra...@rahji.com wrote: There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film back right? From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca ... George L Smyth wrote: I use 4X5 and 8X10 all the time. The advantage is that you can use film holders to swap the film out, so shooting is not a one shot deal. Hi George, I'm not sure I understood that one. What do you mean by swapping the film out, so that shooting is not a one shot deal? ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
In a message dated 11/10/01 11:39:29 PM Central Standard Time, mat...@cyberwerks.com writes: Yes, you're talking about the Grafmatic. It comes in 4 x 5 and 2-1/4 x 3-1/4 sizes, and each holds six sheets. I love them, and there's a page about them at: http://www.graflex.org/speed-graphic/grafmatic/ --Eric I have 2 of the old Grafmatic holders, they are nice , convenient and real space savers . a bit tricky learning to load them , but once you learn, is simple really . I wouldnt advise it, but I suppose it could be done, you could load different types of film in, and keep track of what type of film is what number, via, No.2,No 4, and No 6 are one type , with No 1, No 3 , and No 5 being another type, I picked up my Grafmatics at a used camera store, for about 60-65$ each. the other nice thing is, lets just say you are doing pinhole work, but also have along a 4X5 lensed camera, you can use the Grafmatic there too, at least I can on mine, .plus I can use a Polaroid back on either
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
George L Smyth writes: there is a Grafloc holder that can do this. It holds half a dozen or so sheets. I don't have one, but always thought that it would be more convenient than carrying a handful of holders that carry two each. Yes, you're talking about the Grafmatic. It comes in 4 x 5 and 2-1/4 x 3-1/4 sizes, and each holds six sheets. I love them, and there's a page about them at: http://www.graflex.org/speed-graphic/grafmatic/ --Eric
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
In a message dated 11/10/01 8:23:04 PM, ra...@rahji.com writes: There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film back right? No...and you can enlarge them in a 4 x 5 enlarger...and in color too. leezy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film back right? From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca ... George L Smyth wrote: I use 4X5 and 8X10 all the time. The advantage is that you can use film holders to swap the film out, so shooting is not a one shot deal. Hi George, I'm not sure I understood that one. What do you mean by swapping the film out, so that shooting is not a one shot deal?
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
--- Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca wrote: Andy Schmitt wrote: Being able to build a back that accepts film holders instead of having to reload in the darkroom or changing bag after each exposure.. andy OK. I thought that there was some other magic technique which would allow you do use the same film-holder several times without going into the darkroom... Actually, there is a Grafloc holder that can do this. It holds half a dozen or so sheets. I don't have one, but always thought that it would be more convenient than carrying a handful of holders that carry two each. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
--- Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca wrote: George L Smyth wrote: I use 4X5 and 8X10 all the time. The advantage is that you can use film holders to swap the film out, so shooting is not a one shot deal. Hi George, I'm not sure I understood that one. What do you mean by swapping the film out, so that shooting is not a one shot deal? With most of my pinhole cameras, I put the film in, take a picture, then that's it. When the film is in holders, you can simply remove the film after exposure, pop in another film holder, pull the dark slide, and take another picture. I've got a number of 4X5 and 8X10 holders that can be swapped in and out of the camera, so that taking pictures is not a one-shot deal. I also use 10X12 half-tone film and develop with dilute Dektol. The pictures Jimmy at http://members.home.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Images/PinholeImages.htm and We Are Glad you Are Here at http://members.home.net/hmpi/AltProcess/Images/AltImages.htm were made this way. The advantage of this film is that it is so cheap (something like 50 cents per sheet of 10X12). It's been a while since I saw these pictures. Very nice. I also particularly like the Tug Boat. What Alt. printing process did you use? These were done with the Van Dyke process. The Tug Boat is from a Velvia slide, from which I created a negative with halftone film. I then used it to contact the print. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
In a message dated 11/9/01 12:34:21 PM, guy.glori...@sympatico.ca writes: He would remove the blindfold and process as usual. He could never figure out why his films were totally fogged...-:)) LOL thanks leezy
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
Being able to build a back that accepts film holders instead of having to reload in the darkroom or changing bag after each exposure.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Guy Glorieux Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:11 AM To: Pinhole List Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper George L Smyth wrote: I use 4X5 and 8X10 all the time. The advantage is that you can use film holders to swap the film out, so shooting is not a one shot deal. Hi George, I'm not sure I understood that one. What do you mean by swapping the film out, so that shooting is not a one shot deal? I also use 10X12 half-tone film and develop with dilute Dektol. The pictures Jimmy at http://members.home.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Images/PinholeImages.htm and We Are Glad you Are Here at http://members.home.net/hmpi/AltProcess/Images/AltImages.htm were made this way. The advantage of this film is that it is so cheap (something like 50 cents per sheet of 10X12). It's been a while since I saw these pictures. Very nice. I also particularly like the Tug Boat. What Alt. printing process did you use? Guy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Re: sheet film instead of photo paper
George L Smyth wrote: I use 4X5 and 8X10 all the time. The advantage is that you can use film holders to swap the film out, so shooting is not a one shot deal. Hi George, I'm not sure I understood that one. What do you mean by swapping the film out, so that shooting is not a one shot deal? I also use 10X12 half-tone film and develop with dilute Dektol. The pictures Jimmy at http://members.home.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Images/PinholeImages.htm and We Are Glad you Are Here at http://members.home.net/hmpi/AltProcess/Images/AltImages.htm were made this way. The advantage of this film is that it is so cheap (something like 50 cents per sheet of 10X12). It's been a while since I saw these pictures. Very nice. I also particularly like the Tug Boat. What Alt. printing process did you use? Guy
