[pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives
> Hi, just wondered if people ever put paper negatives in the enlarger. If > so, are there any problems with it? > > --shannon Absolutely, positively, Sharon. I have enlarged many paper negatives, b+w and color. No problem, it just takes a lot longer for the light to burn through and onto the paper so you'll have longer exposure times. Strap that paper negative in the negative holder just as if it were a regular negative and have at it. Oh, I almost forgot, if you're working with b+w, open the lense all the way open and use 0 contrast, that will help cut down exposure times. Lot's of people shoot paper negatives in lensed cameras to get a soft focus feel similar to pinhole work. A good friend of mine, probably the most accomplished photographic artist I've worked with, used to make her own strips of color paper negatives and wind them into a Yashica Mat 120 twin lense reflex and use it like a normal camera, she didn't get 12 shots a roll because of the difference in thickness, but I know she got several. Really impressive results because she could gain the same control of depth of field as a regular negative, but have that same soft feel of the paper negative. Sorry to ramble like that. By all means, enlarge paper negatives for larger prints. Jim Roy, Washington
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- Original Message - From: "Shannon Stoney" > Hi, just wondered if people ever put paper negatives in the enlarger. If > so, are there any problems with it? If the question were: is it doable? my answer is yes and I have done it once, mainly out of curiosity. I loaded a 35mm disposable camera with a piece of MGIV and then enlarged the resulting paper negative to 6"x6" size. You can see the result here: http://members.rogers.com/penate/doll6x6.jpg , BTW, the inset negative doesn't have the same proportions of the 6x6 print. I personal don't see a reason to enlarge paper negatives (any size) regularly, I'd rather shoot paper the size of the intended final print and contact print them after. Guillermo
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Shannon, I recall doing this many years ago. I used a 4x5 enlarger (anything smaller will probably lead to too much grain relative to the surface being enlarged) and got very grainy and contrasty images. You can repeat the process a couple of time and the image will almost disappear. Some interesting images can result if you play with this process long enough. Good luck, Guy - Original Message - From: "Shannon Stoney" To: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives > Hi, just wondered if people ever put paper negatives in the enlarger. If > so, are there any problems with it? > > --shannon > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
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You will need to remove the backing to the paper to reduce the exposure time to something reasonable. I've never done it, as I use halftone film when shooting larger than 8X10. Cheers - george - http://GLSmyth.com http://DRiPInvesting.org --- On Sat 05/03, Shannon Stoney < shannonsto...@earthlink.net > wrote: From: Shannon Stoney [mailto: shannonsto...@earthlink.net] To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:02:22 -0700 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives Hi, just wondered if people ever put paper negatives in the enlarger. If so, are there any problems with it?--shannon___Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing listPinhole-Discussion@p at ???unsubscribe or change your account athttp://www.???/discussion/ ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
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I would increase your exposure time over that which you use with film negatives... :) On Saturday 03 May 2003 10:02 pm, Shannon Stoney wrote: > Hi, just wondered if people ever put paper negatives in the enlarger. If > so, are there any problems with it? > > --shannon > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives
Hi, just wondered if people ever put paper negatives in the enlarger. If so, are there any problems with it? --shannon
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Katharine Thayer wrote: > Reading the rest of the thread I see the rest of you are talking about > color paper; I was talking about black and white paper. Sorry about the > misreading... Katharine, You did'nt misread! The discussion strated with using 4X5 black and white paper negatives in the enlarger and somehow shifted to color paper negatives... Your question related to fiber-based paper. In my own case, I've used both paper negatives from RC and from fiber-based paper with success. This was some years ago and I was not concerned about how fine the image would look. Rather, I was experimenting to see how far the image could be taken when going through a process of repeated duplications with paper negatives onto positives onto negatives... I got some rather interesting abstract results but I have no idea where I've put them. Cheers, Guy
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Students of mine have bought this through our local camera store. Kodak lists it in 8x10 in 50 sheet boxes cat. # 813-3522. Kodak's list price is $104.35 but their catalog is usually 40% higher then local prices, at least here in Baltimore. b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/12/01 1:16:35 PM, pere...@gl.umbc.edu writes: << Has anyone tried Kodak Duraclear in their camera. Duraclear is a display material that can be sent through a processor. It is color paper emulsion on a clear base. >> That sounds like a fantastic idea. Where is it available...do you happen to know? leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/
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In a message dated 11/12/01 3:13:23 PM, ktha...@pacifier.com writes: << Reading the rest of the thread I see the rest of you are talking about color paper; I was talking about black and white paper. Sorry about the misreading... >> Both leezy
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In a message dated 11/12/01 3:08:54 PM, ktha...@pacifier.com writes: << You're talking regular weight fiber-based paper? >> Single weight, double weight, FB or RC. leezy
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In a message dated 11/12/01 1:16:35 PM, pere...@gl.umbc.edu writes: << Has anyone tried Kodak Duraclear in their camera. Duraclear is a display material that can be sent through a processor. It is color paper emulsion on a clear base. >> That sounds like a fantastic idea. Where is it available...do you happen to know? leezy
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Reading the rest of the thread I see the rest of you are talking about color paper; I was talking about black and white paper. Sorry about the misreading... Katharine Thayer wrote: > > This is interesting to me because I tried this once some years ago and > decided it couldn't be done. Even by oiling the paper, I couldn't get an > image I could see on the easel. Seeing that others have done it makes me > want to try again. You're talking regular weight fiber-based paper? > Katharine > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
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b2myo...@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/11/01 6:38:32 PM, ethereal...@mindspring.com writes: > > << Actually, I think leezy meant film for the color part. >> > > I really meant paper too. > The whole business is tricky but lots of fun. > If anyone does it, please post the results. > thanks > leezy > This is interesting to me because I tried this once some years ago and decided it couldn't be done. Even by oiling the paper, I couldn't get an image I could see on the easel. Seeing that others have done it makes me want to try again. You're talking regular weight fiber-based paper? Katharine
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Has anyone tried Kodak Duraclear in their camera. Duraclear is a display material that can be sent through a processor. It is color paper emulsion on a clear base. b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/12/01 7:34:11 AM, font...@usa.net writes: << i did it at school where we had an auto paper processor. So i'd shoot w/ the pinhole go into the loading room and feed the paper into the machine. a few minutes later I had the dried color paper neg. This allowed me to tweek, and still have time to go out and shoot again. >> Great idea. We have one of those processers at school. As a matter of fact, we have two...one for regular color printing and one for Ilfochrome. Thank you, Mac. leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/
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In a message dated 11/12/01 7:34:11 AM, font...@usa.net writes: << i did it at school where we had an auto paper processor. So i'd shoot w/ the pinhole go into the loading room and feed the paper into the machine. a few minutes later I had the dried color paper neg. This allowed me to tweek, and still have time to go out and shoot again. >> Great idea. We have one of those processers at school. As a matter of fact, we have two...one for regular color printing and one for Ilfochrome. Thank you, Mac. leezy
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In a message dated 11/12/01 7:16:42 AM, guy.glori...@sympatico.ca writes: << Unfortunately, these threads then translate onto your positive and is not so attractive. I have not found a way to deal with that. >> Soak the paper and peel off the back. This may leave a texture which you do or do not like. Other than that, I don't know. <> I never did filtration while shooting. (WillieAnn Wright used filtration in making Ilfochromes, then Cibas). Without filtration in the negative-creation stage, the image comes out orange. When you try to make a contact print, the resulting image is cyan. If you include cyan in you filter packlots of cyan, you begin to see some realistic looking color. It's back and forth with numerous attempts in the filter pack (dialing) but with patience you'll get somewhere. It's never 100% realistic color. The real problem for me is when I try to take the color paper negative and make a DIGITAL positive from it. THAT has been very difficult. Anybody here have any suggestions or experience with that? I like this thread. Cheers to all my fellow pinholers. leezy
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Hi I tried color paper in a pinhole, then contact printed to make a color print. One additional problem other than filtering for the expected orange mask and light temp, Color paper is expecting a relatively low contrast image from a color neg. Even a soft pinhole camera in exterior sun lit scenes are way more contrasty than color paper can handle. Plus you are doubling the contrast because the negative paper is going high contrast, and then the second generation print. So i would suggest low contrast subjects. Now this is advice if you are trying to get realistic colr. If you don't mind artsy effects, it is fun. i did it at school where we had an auto paper processor. So i'd shoot w/ the pinhole go into the loading room and feed the paper into the machine. a few minutes later I had the dried color paper neg. This allowed me to tweek, and still have time to go out and shoot again. Good luck Mac >Leezy, > >I've made 8x10 color paper negatives with my 8x10 pinhole. > >One of the difficulty I've had with color paper as negative to turn into >positive is the fact that all paper companies (as far as I could tell) have >their name/logo in thread on the backside of their color paper. >Unfortunately, these threads then translate onto your positive and is not so >attractive. I have not found a way to deal with that. > >Another tricky issue to deal with is the color filtration at the >negative-creation stage, if you are to make a positive image. Color paper is >calibrated to tungsten light and you need to correct with a blue filter. But >then color negatives have an orange base and, since the filtration in the >enlarger is calibrated for that, you need to have a similar orange filter in >your negative carrier. > >Has anybody else played with color paper negatives? > >Cheers, > >Guy
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Leezy, I've made 8x10 color paper negatives with my 8x10 pinhole. One of the difficulty I've had with color paper as negative to turn into positive is the fact that all paper companies (as far as I could tell) have their name/logo in thread on the backside of their color paper. Unfortunately, these threads then translate onto your positive and is not so attractive. I have not found a way to deal with that. Another tricky issue to deal with is the color filtration at the negative-creation stage, if you are to make a positive image. Color paper is calibrated to tungsten light and you need to correct with a blue filter. But then color negatives have an orange base and, since the filtration in the enlarger is calibrated for that, you need to have a similar orange filter in your negative carrier. Has anybody else played with color paper negatives? Cheers, Guy b2myo...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/11/01 6:38:32 PM, ethereal...@mindspring.com writes: > > << Actually, I think leezy meant film for the color part. >> > > I really meant paper too. > The whole business is tricky but lots of fun. > If anyone does it, please post the results. > thanks > leezy > >
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In a message dated 11/11/01 6:38:32 PM, ethereal...@mindspring.com writes: << Actually, I think leezy meant film for the color part. >> I really meant paper too. The whole business is tricky but lots of fun. If anyone does it, please post the results. thanks leezy
[pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives
They wrote: There's nothing to stop you from using 4x5 sheets of paper with a 4x5 film back right? No...and you can enlarge them in a 4" x 5" enlarger...and in color too. leezy Actually, I think leezy meant film for the color part. But for your knowledge, I have put a 4x5 paper negatives into a 4x5 enlarger and made prints. You have to put the lens on wide-open and stare at the image for a while before it registers because it is quite dim. But it is worth doing. The pictures come out kind of soft looking like older photographs. Rosanne
