Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On 22 Oct 2014 18:08, "Alessio Treglia"  wrote:
>
> Team,
>
> I guess you've noticed the announcement in d-d-a, and I want to thank you
all for the great effort.
>
> Keep up the amazing work

\o/ thanks for pushing this!
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Bálint Réczey]

2014-10-23 10:36 GMT+02:00 Alessio Treglia :
> Hi,
>
> Yep, I've planned to publish it to Planet Debian around lunchtime today
> (London time)
Thanks, and also thank you for putting it together.

Cheers,
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Hi,

Yep, I've planned to publish it to Planet Debian around lunchtime today
(London time)

Cheers!

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Fabian Greffrath]

Am Mittwoch, den 22.10.2014, 22:08 +0100 schrieb Alessio Treglia:
> I guess you've noticed the announcement in d-d-a, and I want to thank
> you all for the great effort.

Alessio, thank you very much for taking care of that!

- Fabian



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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Bálint Réczey]

Hi Alessio,

On Oct 22, 2014 11:09 PM, "Alessio Treglia"  wrote:
>
> Team,
>
> I guess you've noticed the announcement in d-d-a, and I want to thank you
all for the great effort.
>
> Keep up the amazing work!
Do you plan posting it on your blog to let it appear on planet.debian.org?

Cheers,
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Team,

I guess you've noticed the announcement in d-d-a, and I want to thank you
all for the great effort.

Keep up the amazing work!

  :)
 Alessio

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2014-10-22 11:38 GMT+02:00 Alessio Treglia :

> Yes, please add them.
>

Done!
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Jaromír Mikeš (2014-10-22 10:17:24)
> 2014-10-21 15:11 GMT+02:00 Felipe Sateler <[1]fsate...@debian.org>:
> 
>  On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Alessio Treglia <[2]ales...@debian.org>
>  wrote:
>  > Gentlemen,
>  >
>  > It looks pretty good to me, anyone wants to give another proofreading?
> 
>  Looks good to me too. I just changed plans -> news (after all, we are
>  almost at the freeze so work not done will not be in jessie), and
>  programs should be neutral: it, not he.
> 
>Still time to add qtractor and hydrogen to updated apps?

Don't ask, just do it!

Worst thing that can happen is it gets released in parallel to your edit 
and your work then is wasted.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Yes, please add them.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2014-10-21 15:11 GMT+02:00 Felipe Sateler :

> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Alessio Treglia 
> wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > It looks pretty good to me, anyone wants to give another proofreading?
>
> Looks good to me too. I just changed plans -> news (after all, we are
> almost at the freeze so work not done will not be in jessie), and
> programs should be neutral: it, not he.
>

Still time to add qtractor and hydrogen to updated apps?

mira
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Alessio Treglia  wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> It looks pretty good to me, anyone wants to give another proofreading?

Looks good to me too. I just changed plans -> news (after all, we are
almost at the freeze so work not done will not be in jessie), and
programs should be neutral: it, not he.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Gentlemen,

It looks pretty good to me, anyone wants to give another proofreading?



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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Fabian Greffrath  wrote:
> gstreamer1.0-libav package is installed. Should this get noted there or
> is this just a technical detail that nobody else cares about?

Yes, although it could be redundant to some, for sure it wouldn't do
any harm to explicitly remind users about that.
So please could you add a note about it?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Fabian Greffrath]

Am Samstag, den 18.10.2014, 16:40 +0100 schrieb Alessio Treglia: 
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom

Just a nitpick, but in the very first paragraph we claim that libavcodec
is used by totem, among others. However, this is only true if the
gstreamer1.0-libav package is installed. Should this get noted there or
is this just a technical detail that nobody else cares about?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Alessio Treglia (2014-10-19 19:40:19)
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
>> I added flowblade, but that package has since been moved out ot the 
>> Debian Multimedia team due to lack of multiple maintainers.
>>
>> If someone in the team is interested in co-maintaining Flowblade then 
>> great!
>
> I'm interested in both so please add me to the Uploaders list [1].

Great!  I will do that, and move those back to our team git!

Perhaps you are then also interested in co-maintaining Shotcut with me? 
- it is written by the author of MLT: http://www.shotcutapp.com/


> [1] Although I bet you use CDBS to maintain them, don't you? But well,
> I can live with it [2]
> [2] I'm just joking! Please do add me :)

Pffft. :-)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
> I added flowblade, but that package has since been moved out ot the
> Debian Multimedia team due to lack of multiple maintainers.
>
> If someone in the team is interested in co-maintaining Flowblade then
> great!

I'm interested in both so please add me to the Uploaders list [1].

[1] Although I bet you use CDBS to maintain them, don't you? But well,
I can live with it [2]
[2] I'm just joking! Please do add me :)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Matteo F. Vescovi]

Ciao!

On Oct 19, 2014 10:29 AM, "Alessio Treglia"  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Matteo F. Vescovi 
wrote:
> > probably it's quite safe to bump it to 2.72a.
>
> Please do fix it.

Done.

Cheers.

mfv
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Matteo F. Vescovi  wrote:
> probably it's quite safe to bump it to 2.72a.

Please do fix it.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Matteo F. Vescovi]

Ciao!

On Oct 18, 2014 5:40 PM, "Alessio Treglia"  wrote:
>
> The draft is ready:
>
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom

Blender upstream released 2.72a (bugfix) version yesterday.
I guess I shouldn't face huge issues in updating to this fresh new stuff.
So probably it's quite safe to bump it to 2.72a.

Good night.

Cheers.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Alessio Treglia (2014-10-18 17:40:12)
> The draft is ready:
> 
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom

I realized one issue:

I added flowblade, but that package has since been moved out ot the 
Debian Multimedia team due to lack of multiple maintainers.

If someone in the team is interested in co-maintaining Flowblade then 
great!  Else I will leave it up to you guys if unfair that it gets 
promoted via this newsletter (noone commented on my suggestion to invite 
others outside the team, so I guess I would be the only one).

In a related note: Morituri would also love co-maintainers.  There might 
be other packages as well - tell me if interested and I will look it up.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessandro Ghedini]

On sab, ott 18, 2014 at 04:40:12 +0100, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> The draft is ready:
> 
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom

After a quick read, it looks good to me. I fixed a couple of typos in the
mplayer removal section (see [0]).

Cheers

[0] 
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom?action=diff&rev2=138&rev1=137


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

The draft is ready:

   https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom


Cheers!


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessandro Ghedini]

On dom, ott 12, 2014 at 02:18:42 -0400, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Alessio Treglia  wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Reinhard Tartler  
> > wrote:
> >> FWIW, I personally think we should not mention any of "lame",
> >> "xvidcore", "x264" or "mplayer2". All of these packages are already in
> >> stable, so the text as current is not exactly news.
> >
> > Sounds absolutely sensible.
> 
> Dropped in Revision 131. Feel free to revert if you disagree.

I removed mplayer2 as well. The note about mencoder is also present below where
the removal of mplayer is mentioned.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Ross Gammon  wrote:
>
> On 10/13/2014 06:16 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >
> > I certainly won't stop anyone that wants to do this. I can also help
> > in applying patches (and uploading, if you need sponsoring). But the
> > hard part, creating useful tasks in the first place, is what I failed
> > to do. Hopefully you can succeed where I didn't.
> >
> > I wonder if the tasks have any use as-is and maybe we should just
> > publicize them a bit more so that users can tell us what they miss.
> >
> >
>
> I have just brought the tasks page [1] up to the Multimedia Wiki front
> page [2] so it is only one click away instead of two.
>
> [1] http://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/index
> [2] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/
>
> I think you are right. The tasks look reasonable at first glance.
> Clicking on one of the tasks takes you to a page full of multimedia
> packages where users are able to contribute screenshots and debtags.
>
> There is also this text:
> "If you discover a project which looks like a good candidate for Debian
> Multimedia to you, or if you have prepared an unofficial Debian package,
> please do not hesitate to send a description of that project to the
> "
>
> We could advertise this a bit more.

OK I added a small paragraph for the multimedia tasks. Lets hope we
get some interest in this.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Ross Gammon]

On 10/13/2014 06:16 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

[...]

> 
> I certainly won't stop anyone that wants to do this. I can also help
> in applying patches (and uploading, if you need sponsoring). But the
> hard part, creating useful tasks in the first place, is what I failed
> to do. Hopefully you can succeed where I didn't.
> 
> I wonder if the tasks have any use as-is and maybe we should just
> publicize them a bit more so that users can tell us what they miss.
> 
> 

I have just brought the tasks page [1] up to the Multimedia Wiki front
page [2] so it is only one click away instead of two.

[1] http://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/index
[2] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/

I think you are right. The tasks look reasonable at first glance.
Clicking on one of the tasks takes you to a page full of multimedia
packages where users are able to contribute screenshots and debtags.

There is also this text:
"If you discover a project which looks like a good candidate for Debian
Multimedia to you, or if you have prepared an unofficial Debian package,
please do not hesitate to send a description of that project to the
"

We could advertise this a bit more.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Ross Gammon  wrote:
> On 10/13/2014 03:46 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Oct 2014 20:03, "Alessio Treglia" > > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> Felipe, could you share some info on it please?
>>>
>>
>> I have unfortunately let it alone for too long, but I don't think I have
>> the energy to move the task forward.
>>
>> Perhaps we should ask for removal.
>>
>
> Rather than removal, if you were interested in a volunteer going forward
> after the release, I might be willing to step forward.
>
> I do some packaging in the Debian Gis Team. And there it is just one or
> two guys that monitor the commits, and keep the tasks up to date
> (basically add new packages and tweak ones that change names like
> libraries etc.). Sometimes, some of the other packagers occasionally
> remember to send a patch :-)
>
> It is not that onerous once the tasks are clearly defined and up to date.

I certainly won't stop anyone that wants to do this. I can also help
in applying patches (and uploading, if you need sponsoring). But the
hard part, creating useful tasks in the first place, is what I failed
to do. Hopefully you can succeed where I didn't.

I wonder if the tasks have any use as-is and maybe we should just
publicize them a bit more so that users can tell us what they miss.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Ross Gammon]

On 10/13/2014 03:46 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> 
> On 12 Oct 2014 20:03, "Alessio Treglia"  > wrote:

[...]

>> Felipe, could you share some info on it please?
>>
> 
> I have unfortunately let it alone for too long, but I don't think I have
> the energy to move the task forward.
> 
> Perhaps we should ask for removal.
> 

Rather than removal, if you were interested in a volunteer going forward
after the release, I might be willing to step forward.

I do some packaging in the Debian Gis Team. And there it is just one or
two guys that monitor the commits, and keep the tasks up to date
(basically add new packages and tweak ones that change names like
libraries etc.). Sometimes, some of the other packagers occasionally
remember to send a patch :-)

It is not that onerous once the tasks are clearly defined and up to date.

Ross
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On 12 Oct 2014 20:03, "Alessio Treglia"  wrote:
>
>
> On 12 Oct 2014 19:18, "Reinhard Tartler"  wrote:
> > Dropped in Revision 131. Feel free to revert if you disagree.
>
> Looks absolutely good, thanks!
>
> > I would think that it is worth clarifying the scope and intention of
> > the task. Unfortunately, those are not really clear to me. I'm not
> > sure who is currently pushing that task.
>
> The signature of package's latest version is Felipe's, so let's ask him.
>
> Felipe, could you share some info on it please?
>

I have unfortunately let it alone for too long, but I don't think I have
the energy to move the task forward.

Perhaps we should ask for removal.
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On 12 Oct 2014 19:18, "Reinhard Tartler"  wrote:
> Dropped in Revision 131. Feel free to revert if you disagree.

Looks absolutely good, thanks!

> I would think that it is worth clarifying the scope and intention of
> the task. Unfortunately, those are not really clear to me. I'm not
> sure who is currently pushing that task.

The signature of package's latest version is Felipe's, so let's ask him.

Felipe, could you share some info on it please?

Cheers!

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Reinhard Tartler]

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Alessio Treglia  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Reinhard Tartler  wrote:
>> FWIW, I personally think we should not mention any of "lame",
>> "xvidcore", "x264" or "mplayer2". All of these packages are already in
>> stable, so the text as current is not exactly news.
>
> Sounds absolutely sensible.

Dropped in Revision 131. Feel free to revert if you disagree.
>
> What about the debian-multimedia task? [1]
> Do you think it's worth mentioning?

I would think that it is worth clarifying the scope and intention of
the task. Unfortunately, those are not really clear to me. I'm not
sure who is currently pushing that task.

Best,
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Reinhard Tartler  wrote:
> FWIW, I personally think we should not mention any of "lame",
> "xvidcore", "x264" or "mplayer2". All of these packages are already in
> stable, so the text as current is not exactly news.

Sounds absolutely sensible.

What about the debian-multimedia task? [1]
Do you think it's worth mentioning?


[1] https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debian-multimedia.html

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Reinhard Tartler]

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Alessandro Ghedini  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 07:01:09PM +0100, Alessio Treglia wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> If you want to add some last bits, please do it by tomorrow morning,
>
> I updated the mplayer2 section and added mplayer to the dropped section (I 
> also
> slightly edited the mpv description). They all probably need some 
> proof-reading
> though.

Thanks for the update. I do have a comment about the last two sentences:


> Note that while mplayer2 adds a few new features, others (such as mencoder) 
> have been dropped as well. Also note that mplayer2 is not maintained upstream 
> anymore (differently from e.g. mpv).

I'm not sure if it makes sense to mention its upstream support status,
because you might ask the question "well, why do you keep it then in
the first place?". Fact is that Debian is going to support the package
for wheezy, and the statement as written is rather confusing.

>
> Also, I noticed that a lot of the changes mentioned are mostly relevant to
> wheezy (e.g. lame, x264, libav, xvidcore, ...), so maybe the fact that the
> changes presented are not only relevant to jessie should be mentioned (the 
> first
> paragraph kinda does this, but IMO it's not very clear).

FWIW, I personally think we should not mention any of "lame",
"xvidcore", "x264" or "mplayer2". All of these packages are already in
stable, so the text as current is not exactly news.

Also, I'm a bit weary with advertising that Debian now ships with
fancy modern decoders, because I fear of trolls that ask questions
about legality, patents, etc. I've therefore avoided references
regarding that in my proposed text for libavcodec/libav.

>
> Also^2, the libav section IMO should be more about what version are we going 
> to
> release and what new changes it brings since wheezy. This can be compiled from
> libav release notes [0] [1] [2], though I'll leave that to the libav 
> maintainer
> judgment. The fact that we switched from ffmpeg is, I think, pretty clear to
> everyone already.

Exactly. I've just updated the section.

BTW, the maintainer of libav is (currently) the pkg-multimedia team ;-)





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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

> Will you send a draft to this list before that?

Sure I will.

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alessandro Ghedini  wrote:
> Also, I noticed that a lot of the changes mentioned are mostly relevant to
> wheezy (e.g. lame, x264, libav, xvidcore, ...), so maybe the fact that the
> changes presented are not only relevant to jessie should be mentioned (the 
> first
> paragraph kinda does this, but IMO it's not very clear).

I agree, we'd better to postpone the announcement until those sections
are clarified.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Alessio Treglia (2014-10-10 20:01:09)
> If you want to add some last bits, please do it by tomorrow morning, 
> I'd intend to mail it in the early afternoon.

I added Flowblade - I sure hope my edit didn't mess up with your later 
commit, Allesio (your lock had expired when I did it).

Great text!

One detail that I find relevant for us to mention is that recent Calf no 
longer provide LADSPA plugins.  That is not a "dropped package" nor is 
it a "broken functionality".  Main reason I find it important for us to 
mention is that MLT is poorly documented, and upstream web pages lists 
Calf plugins as possible filters, which easily causes confusion (it did 
for me, several times!).

I suggest either adding a subsection for dropped LADSPA plugins, or 
(better, I think) rename to the more generic "LADSPA plugins" and "LV2 
plugins".


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessandro Ghedini]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 07:01:09PM +0100, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> If you want to add some last bits, please do it by tomorrow morning,

I updated the mplayer2 section and added mplayer to the dropped section (I also
slightly edited the mpv description). They all probably need some proof-reading
though.

Also, I noticed that a lot of the changes mentioned are mostly relevant to
wheezy (e.g. lame, x264, libav, xvidcore, ...), so maybe the fact that the
changes presented are not only relevant to jessie should be mentioned (the first
paragraph kinda does this, but IMO it's not very clear).

Also^2, the libav section IMO should be more about what version are we going to
release and what new changes it brings since wheezy. This can be compiled from
libav release notes [0] [1] [2], though I'll leave that to the libav maintainer
judgment. The fact that we switched from ffmpeg is, I think, pretty clear to
everyone already.

> I'd intend to mail it in the early afternoon.

Will you send a draft to this list before that?

Cheers

[0] http://libav.org/releases/libav-9.17.release
[1] http://libav.org/releases/libav-10.5.release
[2] http://libav.org/releases/libav-11.release


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Folks,

If you want to add some last bits, please do it by tomorrow morning, I'd
intend to mail it in the early afternoon.

Cheers.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> I think we should also note that rtkit will be broken in the default
> install (pulseaudio seems to be the only user). See bug #747568 for
> more details. If someone has any idea on how to work around this
> problem we should probably fix it.


I have added a stub section for this issue. Hopefully someone will
know how to fix this.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2014-10-07 12:29 GMT+02:00 "IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)" <
umlae...@debian.org>:

>
> i've updated the wiki to separate "new" and merely "updated" applications.
>

Good idea!
I did the same for plugins.

regards

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM, "IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)"
 wrote:
> i've updated the wiki to separate "new" and merely "updated" applications.

Good point.

> i've also had a go and sorted them alphabetically, as this seems the
> only reasonable sorting criteria i can come up with.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)]

On 10/07/2014 12:06 PM, Fabian Greffrath wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2014, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Jaromír Mikeš: 
>> even if done after so long time and mean that project has been
>> revived?
> 
> IMHO Yes. With packaging the new release, we -- as Debian -- have merely
> done what is expected from us. By mentioning even the smallest details
> and selling them as news, we take relevance from the really important
> changes and steal their spotlight.

i agree.

i've updated the wiki to separate "new" and merely "updated" applications.

i've also had a go and sorted them alphabetically, as this seems the
only reasonable sorting criteria i can come up with.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Fabian Greffrath]

Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2014, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Jaromír Mikeš: 
> even if done after so long time and mean that project has been
> revived?

IMHO Yes. With packaging the new release, we -- as Debian -- have merely
done what is expected from us. By mentioning even the smallest details
and selling them as news, we take relevance from the really important
changes and steal their spotlight.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2014-10-07 11:35 GMT+02:00 Fabian Greffrath :

> Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2014, 10:03 +0200 schrieb Jaromír Mikeš:
> > flac
>
> I don't think a new upstream release is really worth mentioning.


even if done after so long time and mean that project has been revived?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Fabian Greffrath]

Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2014, 10:03 +0200 schrieb Jaromír Mikeš: 
> flac

I don't think a new upstream release is really worth mentioning.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2014-10-04 12:06 GMT+02:00 Alessio Treglia :

> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Jaromír Mikeš 
> wrote:
> > But what do you think about "my list" ... are these worth to mention?
>
> Absolutely they are!
>

I also added eq10q calf and xjadeo

There are some more package which should be mentioned IMHO
But probably somebody more familiar with their status should add entry.

audacity
qtractor
hydrogen
rosegarden
flac
harvid
rtkit
rtirq
setbfree

best regards

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Fwd: Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[forum : : für : : umläute]

Resending with the list included.
Unrelated: can somebody suggest a mua for android that has reply-to-list?


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Gesendet: 07. Oktober 2014 06:57:06 MESZ
An: Alessio Treglia , Debian Multimedia Maintainers 

Betreff: Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]



Am 07. Oktober 2014 00:28:42 MESZ, schrieb Alessio Treglia :
>On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:44 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig
> wrote:
>> On 10/04/2014 04:26 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
>>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jaromír Mikeš 
>wrote:
>>>> What about dropped packages? Should we mention them?
>>>> If yes can you start paragraph for them please?
>>>
>>>
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom#What.27s_not_going_to_be_in
>>>
>>
>> while we have not abandoned "flumotion" officially yet, i think this
>is
>> probably the time to do it.
>>
>> afaik, no progress has been made to fix it's build-dependencies,
>which
>> means that this package has not migrated to testing for ages.
>
>Regarding Flumotion 0.10.1 (which appears newer than ours), upstream
>webpage [1] says:
>
>Features of this release
>* Added twisted 12 compatibility
>
>I don't know much about the full story here though,

iirc, i have packaged and prepared a flumotion-0.10.1 upgrade a (longer) while 
ago, but it ftbs even in my machine.
The problem is not twisted (which was easy enough to fix), but gstreamer-1.0 
which is explicitely not supported upstream, resp. ffmpeg for which there are 
only gst-0.10 packages.
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[forum : : für : : umläute]

Am 07. Oktober 2014 00:28:42 MESZ, schrieb Alessio Treglia :
>On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:44 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig
> wrote:
>> On 10/04/2014 04:26 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
>>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jaromír Mikeš 
>wrote:
 What about dropped packages? Should we mention them?
 If yes can you start paragraph for them please?
>>>
>>>
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom#What.27s_not_going_to_be_in
>>>
>>
>> while we have not abandoned "flumotion" officially yet, i think this
>is
>> probably the time to do it.
>>
>> afaik, no progress has been made to fix it's build-dependencies,
>which
>> means that this package has not migrated to testing for ages.
>
>Regarding Flumotion 0.10.1 (which appears newer than ours), upstream
>webpage [1] says:
>
>Features of this release
>* Added twisted 12 compatibility
>
>I don't know much about the full story here though,

iirc, i have packaged and prepared a flumotion-0.10.1 upgrade a (longer) while 
ago, but it ftbs even in my machine.
The problem is not twisted (which was easy enough to fix), but gstreamer-1.0 
which is explicitely not supported upstream, resp. ffmpeg for which there are 
only gst-0.10 packages.
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:44 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig
 wrote:
> On 10/04/2014 04:26 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
>>> What about dropped packages? Should we mention them?
>>> If yes can you start paragraph for them please?
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom#What.27s_not_going_to_be_in
>>
>
> while we have not abandoned "flumotion" officially yet, i think this is
> probably the time to do it.
>
> afaik, no progress has been made to fix it's build-dependencies, which
> means that this package has not migrated to testing for ages.

Regarding Flumotion 0.10.1 (which appears newer than ours), upstream
webpage [1] says:

Features of this release
* Added twisted 12 compatibility

I don't know much about the full story here though, so nevermind if
I'm doing confusion.

[1] http://www.flumotion.net/releases/flumotion/0.10.1.html

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 10/06/2014 10:40 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> On 10/03/2014 09:54 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
>> Bump.
>>
>> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
>> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
>> Jessie.
>>
> 
> thanks for taking the initiative.
> 
> 
> i'm having a bit of trouble on the wiki with the section "JACK, LADI,
> LV2, and audio plugins".

well, since it's a wiki i changed it to what i think is a better
structure :-)

the lash->ladish change should probably (still) go into "Frameworks and
Libraries".

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 10/03/2014 09:54 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> Bump.
> 
> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
> Jessie.
> 

thanks for taking the initiative.


i'm having a bit of trouble on the wiki with the section "JACK, LADI,
LV2, and audio plugins".
is there any specific reason why the two groups (audio plugins vs jack)
are bundled together?
i would rather have a section "plugins", that covers audio plugins (lv2,
ladspa,...) and probably also video plugins (frei0r, which is a bit
lonely on its own but has seen a noteable upgrade for jessie)


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 10/04/2014 04:26 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
>> What about dropped packages? Should we mention them?
>> If yes can you start paragraph for them please?
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom#What.27s_not_going_to_be_in
> 

while we have not abandoned "flumotion" officially yet, i think this is
probably the time to do it.

afaik, no progress has been made to fix it's build-dependencies, which
means that this package has not migrated to testing for ages.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[forum : : für : : umläute]

On 04. Oktober 2014 17:54:12 MESZ, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>
>Also, PD-land has not made any updates yet. IOhannes, Hans-Cristoph?

I'll try to add something tonight when i have a real computer again...
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Alessio Treglia (2014-10-03 21:54:30)
> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great 
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find 
> on Jessie.
>
> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various 
> libs and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
> 
>- Jack (Adrian?)
>- Libav (Reinhard?)
>- XBMC (Balínt?)
>- MPV (Alessandro?)
>- Mediatomb (Hector?)
>- VLC (Benjamin?)
>- Handbrake (Sebastian?)

I suggest we invite the maintainers of MLT, GStreamer, Phonon and Xine 
to write briefly what has changed in those frameworks since release of 
Wheezy.  They are not in the Debian Multimedia Maintainers team (or at 
least I don't think so) but changes there greatly affect multimedia for 
our users, and I can only see such invitation as a friendly vibe :-)


Would be great with a section on progress in ways to fetch online videos 
- i.e. youtube-dl, quvi and clive → cclive.  Again I think that's mostly 
outside of our team but used in e.g. mpv.  I guess VLC also has such 
features embedded.


I see an entry about x264 having entered Debian.  Probably relevant to 
mention also VP9, de265 and Opus codecs (and Celt codec been dropped?).


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Sebastian Ramacher]

Hi Allessio

On 2014-10-03 20:54:30, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
> Jessie.
> 
> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
> and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
> 
> - Jack (Adrian?)
> - Libav (Reinhard?)
> - XBMC (Balínt?)
> - MPV (Alessandro?)
> - Mediatomb (Hector?)
> - VLC (Benjamin?)
> - Handbrake (Sebastian?)

I have added some bits on VLC, HandBrake and libva and will extend them
next week.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Andrew Kelley]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Felipe Sateler  wrote:

> > Groove Basin is on track to be uploaded before the freeze. I'm hoping
> this
> > is something users could be excited about.
>
> It has just been uploaded. Lets hope ftp-master can review it before the
> freeze.
>

Let us hope. Meanwhile I added it to the wiki. Feel free to edit if it's
too long.
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Bálint Réczey  wrote:
> I think this situation is complex enough to not fit bits, maybe kBytes
> from the Multimedia Team.
>
> I have added a short paragraph about XBMC, making it as neutral as I could.

Fair enough, thanks.

And please, do keep up the great work with XBMC!

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Bálint Réczey]

2014-10-04 16:20 GMT+02:00 Alessio Treglia :
> Hi again,
>
> (replying here to both Reinhard and Bálint)
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Reinhard Tartler  wrote:
>> What I currently read on the wiki page about FFmpeg -> Libav was
>> probably appropriate back then, but now two years later, I don't think
>> its really appropriate.
>
> This is exactly what I was trying to communicate, apparently I haven't
> been clear enough. Sorry about that.
>
> Bálint,
>
>> I think the "Libav or FFmpeg in Jessie" choice is artificial and I don't 
>> want to
>> legitimize it by writing about XBMC in a context where it is shown as valid.
>
>> IMO both Libav and FFmpeg should be let to enter Jessie and package
>> maintainers should have the choice of using either of them.
>
> We want neither to talk shit about FFmpeg nor praise Libav, most of us
> simply think that is not appropriate to replace Libav with FFmpeg at
> this stage.
>
> Personally I don't care whether FFmpeg will go down its own path to
> Debian Jessie succesfully or not.
> We (many of us) just answered a question about which one among ffmpeg
> and libav should be the provider for libav* libraries.
> It is a non-binding, non-political opinion on the subject, and likely
> no particular consequences will follow as it's mostly business of the
> security team.
I extended my answer in the original thread.

>
> Presumably we are not going to maintain FFmpeg either way, so if the
> release team is OK with having FFmpeg in Jessie, then it's fine for me
> too.
>
>> I think the current state of XBMC does not show the team in a good light
>> thus I'm not sure if it is a good idea to talk about in Bits.
>
> Could you please elaborate?
I would love to ship XBMC giving the same pleasant experience as
upstream's packages, but the closest thing I can provide in Debian is
stuck in experimental because ffmpeg can't enter testing. Libav works
fine in most cases, but VDPAU acceleration does not work with Libav
10+ and this bug have been reported against XBMC several times.
The next version of XBMC (now Kodi) dropped Libav compatibility code
completely which I don't agree with but it means more work on the
Debian packages if I want to make them work with Libav.

I strongly agree with some of Libav's goals like redesigning the API
to make it safer and cleaning the code, but keeping important features
such as VDPAU acceleration broken for a long time makes the fork less
appealing.

I think this situation is complex enough to not fit bits, maybe kBytes
from the Multimedia Team.

I have added a short paragraph about XBMC, making it as neutral as I could.

Cheers,
Balint

>
>> Given the current FFmpeg/Libav packaging tension, I'm having a hard
>> time to come up with a summary of the current state of affairs. One
>> option would be to say anything, which I would consider better than
>> the current text on the wiki that is two years late.
>
> Sure.
>
>> However, Ideally we would say something about the new
>> features in Libav10 and Libav11.
>
> That would be amazing!
>
>> What's the timeline for sending out the announcement? Alessio, I take
>> it that you are driving this effort. Maybe you can set a tentative
>> deadline when you want to have it sent out?
>
> I'm planning to release it in, say, ~1 week, next Saturday or Sunday.
>

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Andrew Kelley  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Alessio Treglia  wrote:
>>
>> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
>> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
>> Jessie.

Thanks for bringing this up! We should really do this.

>>
>> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
>> and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
>>
>> - Jack (Adrian?)
>> - Libav (Reinhard?)
>> - XBMC (Balínt?)
>> - MPV (Alessandro?)
>> - Mediatomb (Hector?)
>> - VLC (Benjamin?)
>> - Handbrake (Sebastian?)
>>
>> Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)

I have updated the csound and supercollider sections.

I think we should also note that rtkit will be broken in the default
install (pulseaudio seems to be the only user). See bug #747568 for
more details. If someone has any idea on how to work around this
problem we should probably fix it.


Also, PD-land has not made any updates yet. IOhannes, Hans-Cristoph?

>
> Groove Basin is on track to be uploaded before the freeze. I'm hoping this
> is something users could be excited about.

It has just been uploaded. Lets hope ftp-master can review it before the freeze.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
> What about dropped packages? Should we mention them?
> If yes can you start paragraph for them please?

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom#What.27s_not_going_to_be_in

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Hi again,

(replying here to both Reinhard and Bálint)

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Reinhard Tartler  wrote:
> What I currently read on the wiki page about FFmpeg -> Libav was
> probably appropriate back then, but now two years later, I don't think
> its really appropriate.

This is exactly what I was trying to communicate, apparently I haven't
been clear enough. Sorry about that.

Bálint,

> I think the "Libav or FFmpeg in Jessie" choice is artificial and I don't want 
> to
> legitimize it by writing about XBMC in a context where it is shown as valid.

> IMO both Libav and FFmpeg should be let to enter Jessie and package
> maintainers should have the choice of using either of them.

We want neither to talk shit about FFmpeg nor praise Libav, most of us
simply think that is not appropriate to replace Libav with FFmpeg at
this stage.

Personally I don't care whether FFmpeg will go down its own path to
Debian Jessie succesfully or not.
We (many of us) just answered a question about which one among ffmpeg
and libav should be the provider for libav* libraries.
It is a non-binding, non-political opinion on the subject, and likely
no particular consequences will follow as it's mostly business of the
security team.

Presumably we are not going to maintain FFmpeg either way, so if the
release team is OK with having FFmpeg in Jessie, then it's fine for me
too.

> I think the current state of XBMC does not show the team in a good light
> thus I'm not sure if it is a good idea to talk about in Bits.

Could you please elaborate?

> Given the current FFmpeg/Libav packaging tension, I'm having a hard
> time to come up with a summary of the current state of affairs. One
> option would be to say anything, which I would consider better than
> the current text on the wiki that is two years late.

Sure.

> However, Ideally we would say something about the new
> features in Libav10 and Libav11.

That would be amazing!

> What's the timeline for sending out the announcement? Alessio, I take
> it that you are driving this effort. Maybe you can set a tentative
> deadline when you want to have it sent out?

I'm planning to release it in, say, ~1 week, next Saturday or Sunday.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Alessandro Ghedini  wrote:
> The mpv package description has a short list of changes from mplayer2, but I
> haven't touched it in a while so it may be a little outdated. If needed I can
> prepare a better list of improvements vs mplayer/mplayer2.

Yes, please, it would be much appreciated.

> Also, worth mentioning maybe is that a) mpv's command-line options are not
> compatible with the mplayer ones and that b) since mpv dropped some old 
> mplayer
> code in favor of libav/ffmpeg features, there may be some incompatibilities
> there as well (also, considering that Debian uses libav instead of ffmpeg, 
> some
> mpv features work better with ffmpeg or don't work at all with libav).

Please leave a note on this too.

> It may also be worth mentioning that MPlayer has been dropped, and that 
> mplayer2
> is essentially dead upstream.

+1

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessandro Ghedini]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:54:30PM +0100, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> Bump.
> 
> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
> Jessie.
> 
> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
> and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
> 
> - Jack (Adrian?)
> - Libav (Reinhard?)
> - XBMC (Balínt?)
> - MPV (Alessandro?)
> - Mediatomb (Hector?)
> - VLC (Benjamin?)
> - Handbrake (Sebastian?)
> 
> Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)

It may also be worth mentioning that MPlayer has been dropped, and that mplayer2
is essentially dead upstream.

Anyway, I filled the mpv section with some info now.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessandro Ghedini]

On ven, ott 03, 2014 at 08:54:30 +0100, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> Bump.
> 
> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
> Jessie.
> 
> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
> and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
> 
> - Jack (Adrian?)
> - Libav (Reinhard?)
> - XBMC (Balínt?)
> - MPV (Alessandro?)

Not sure what kind of information would be useful here. mpv v0.6.0 has just been
released and that's pretty much what will get in jessie (there are going to be
a couple of bugfix releases before the freeze though).

The mpv package description has a short list of changes from mplayer2, but I
haven't touched it in a while so it may be a little outdated. If needed I can
prepare a better list of improvements vs mplayer/mplayer2.

Also, worth mentioning maybe is that a) mpv's command-line options are not
compatible with the mplayer ones and that b) since mpv dropped some old mplayer
code in favor of libav/ffmpeg features, there may be some incompatibilities
there as well (also, considering that Debian uses libav instead of ffmpeg, some
mpv features work better with ffmpeg or don't work at all with libav).

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Bálint Réczey]

Hi Alessio,

2014-10-04 13:14 GMT+02:00 Alessio Treglia :
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Bálint Réczey  wrote:
>> I have checked the wiki page and since the Libav/FFmpeg part feels too
>> biased towards Libav. I will make a separate blog post for XBMC trying
>> to be more balanced.
>
> That part needs update anyway.
> I don't feel like populating our "bits" with allegations on the
> matter, and I guess others like me don't too. No more polemic, we
> have, already, had enough of it.
> Though having said that, and seen what the majority of us has publicly
> expressed recently, I would like to state the rationale behind our
> position against the proposal to replace libav with FFmpeg instead,
> which could be AFAICT fundamentally summaried as "it's too late for
> Jessie".
>
> What do you think about it?
I think the "Libav or FFmpeg in Jessie" choice is artificial and I don't want to
legitimize it by writing about XBMC in a context where it is shown as valid.
IMO both Libav and FFmpeg should be let to enter Jessie and package
maintainers should have the choice of using either of them.
Technically it is now possible and I see arguments against letting FFmpeg into
Jessie weak.

>
>> I already blog about XBMC's state in Debian regularly [1] and it gets
>> aggregated to planet.d.o thus most of our users are probably aware of
>> the revived packages.
>> There is one post in the works about latest updates but I wanted to
>> give a few days to Libav to fix the VDPAU bug [1] hurting many users.
>
> Please add some of such interesting information to the page, I believe
> users will appreciate it.
I think the current state of XBMC does not show the team in a good light
thus I'm not sure if it is a good idea to talk about in Bits.

Cheers,
Balint

>
>> I have added a note about forked-daapd, which I think would be
>> interesting for users.
>
> That's great, thanks.
>
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Bálint Réczey  wrote:
> I have checked the wiki page and since the Libav/FFmpeg part feels too
> biased towards Libav. I will make a separate blog post for XBMC trying
> to be more balanced.

That part needs update anyway.
I don't feel like populating our "bits" with allegations on the
matter, and I guess others like me don't too. No more polemic, we
have, already, had enough of it.
Though having said that, and seen what the majority of us has publicly
expressed recently, I would like to state the rationale behind our
position against the proposal to replace libav with FFmpeg instead,
which could be AFAICT fundamentally summaried as "it's too late for
Jessie".

What do you think about it?

> I already blog about XBMC's state in Debian regularly [1] and it gets
> aggregated to planet.d.o thus most of our users are probably aware of
> the revived packages.
> There is one post in the works about latest updates but I wanted to
> give a few days to Libav to fix the VDPAU bug [1] hurting many users.

Please add some of such interesting information to the page, I believe
users will appreciate it.

> I have added a note about forked-daapd, which I think would be
> interesting for users.

That's great, thanks.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Bálint Réczey]

2014-10-04 9:35 GMT+02:00 Alessio Treglia :
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
>> Here are my candidates:
>
> Sorry buddy but... no please, let's not start writing down our
> personal lists of "candidates" here. Let's write to the document what
> we consider important enough instead.
>
> So please, edit the wiki page yourself :)
I have checked the wiki page and since the Libav/FFmpeg part feels too
biased towards Libav. I will make a separate blog post for XBMC trying
to be more balanced.
I already blog about XBMC's state in Debian regularly [1] and it gets
aggregated to planet.d.o thus most of our users are probably aware of
the revived packages.
There is one post in the works about latest updates but I wanted to
give a few days to Libav to fix the VDPAU bug [1] hurting many users.

I have added a note about forked-daapd, which I think would be
interesting for users.

Cheers,
Balint

[1] http://balintreczey.hu/blog/tag/xbmc/
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745060

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
> Here are my candidates:

Sorry buddy but... no please, let's not start writing down our
personal lists of "candidates" here. Let's write to the document what
we consider important enough instead.

So please, edit the wiki page yourself :)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
> When was our last news?

Nearly 4 years ago! We are not that good at marketing our work, aren't we? :)

> I guess my last exciting action here was adding
> Flowblade.  It entered testing more than a year ago, but I don't think
> it has been promoted much.

I didn't even notice it, looks amazing. Yeah, definitely worth a mention!

> Not "mine" but probably worth mentioning that a slew of LADSPA stuff has
> been dropped: jackrack (and some other hosts I believe - just cannot
> remember which) - seems the only independent host for LADSPA now is
> jalv+naspro.  Also Calf has dropped support for LADSPA.  Reason I care
> about LADSPA is that MLT framework has support for that but not LV2.

Agreed, the LADSPA thing is a pretty important one.

> Should we also think about stuff relevant to include in release notes,
> then there is definitely the introduction of VP9 and Opus codecs.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2014-10-03 21:54 GMT+02:00 Alessio Treglia :

> Bump.
>
> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
> Jessie.
>
> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
> and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
>
> - Jack (Adrian?)
> - Libav (Reinhard?)
> - XBMC (Balínt?)
> - MPV (Alessandro?)
> - Mediatomb (Hector?)
> - VLC (Benjamin?)
> - Handbrake (Sebastian?)
>
> Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)
>
Hi,

Here are my candidates:

Ardour3 is worth of mention

New LV2 instruments kit "vee one suite"
samplv1
drumkv1
synthv1

New LV2 plugins bundles:
zam-plugins
x42-plugins

New stereo LADSPA plugins
ste-plugins

We maintain new timecode library
libltc

We have new midiclock utility:
jack-midi-clock

We unfortunately had to drop few upstream unmaintained packages:
specimen ... we have good replacement in petri-foo
phat
lv2fil
zynjacku

New packages from Fon's zita series:
zita-bls1
zita-mu1
zita-njbridge

We have finally:
sonic-visualiser

best regards

mira
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Mateusz Łukasik]

On 03.10.2014 21:54, Alessio Treglia wrote:

Bump.

I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
Jessie.

I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
and programs), I would also love to see updates on:

- Jack (Adrian?)
- Libav (Reinhard?)
- XBMC (Balínt?)
- MPV (Alessandro?)
- Mediatomb (Hector?)
- VLC (Benjamin?)
- Handbrake (Sebastian?)

Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Alessio Treglia (2014-10-03 21:54:30)
> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great 
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find 
> on Jessie.
>
> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various 
> libs and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
>
> - Jack (Adrian?)
> - Libav (Reinhard?)
> - XBMC (Balínt?)
> - MPV (Alessandro?)
> - Mediatomb (Hector?)
> - VLC (Benjamin?)
> - Handbrake (Sebastian?)
>
> Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)

When was our last news?  I guess my last exciting action here was adding 
Flowblade.  It entered testing more than a year ago, but I don't think 
it has been promoted much.

(...and I really should upgrade it to newest upstream release...)

Not "mine" but probably worth mentioning that a slew of LADSPA stuff has 
been dropped: jackrack (and some other hosts I believe - just cannot 
remember which) - seems the only independent host for LADSPA now is 
jalv+naspro.  Also Calf has dropped support for LADSPA.  Reason I care 
about LADSPA is that MLT framework has support for that but not LV2.

Should we also think about stuff relevant to include in release notes, 
then there is definitely the introduction of VP9 and Opus codecs.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Matteo F. Vescovi]

Hi Alessio!

On Oct 3, 2014 9:54 PM, "Alessio Treglia"  wrote:
> [...]
> Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)

Today, Blender 2.72 has been released officially. I'll wait until monday to
import it in the git repository and start working on a new revision.

I really hope to find a fix to the long lasting issue of illegal
instruction on non-SSE2 CPUs, fixed on almost all cases but not all ;)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Andrew Kelley (2014-10-03 22:10:04)
> Groove Basin is on track to be uploaded before the freeze. I'm hoping 
> this is something users could be excited about.

It sure is!

Please pretty please do it as very soonest as possible!  You might 
already be too late by now if I understand it correctly that you need to 
introduce some new packages, which then need to wait for ftpmasters to 
have time to inspect it - and they might be _very_ busy this close to 
the freeze and most likely won't prioritize new packages.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Andrew Kelley]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Alessio Treglia  wrote:

> I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
> service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
> Jessie.
>
> I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
> and programs), I would also love to see updates on:
>
> - Jack (Adrian?)
> - Libav (Reinhard?)
> - XBMC (Balínt?)
> - MPV (Alessandro?)
> - Mediatomb (Hector?)
> - VLC (Benjamin?)
> - Handbrake (Sebastian?)
>
> Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)
>
Groove Basin  is on track to be
uploaded before the freeze. I'm hoping this is something users could be
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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Bump.

I know that it's a quite boring thing to do but IMHO we'd do a great
service to all our users by releasing an update on what they'll find on
Jessie.

I'll try to allocate some time tomorrow to do my bits (LV2, various libs
and programs), I would also love to see updates on:

- Jack (Adrian?)
- Libav (Reinhard?)
- XBMC (Balínt?)
- MPV (Alessandro?)
- Mediatomb (Hector?)
- VLC (Benjamin?)
- Handbrake (Sebastian?)

Jonas, Jaromír, Matteo, Stuart et al : anything to declare? :)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:52, Adrian Knoth  wrote:
> On 03/23/2012 02:38 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
> [LADISH]
>
>> We are still missing an explanation on the following sentence:
>>
>> Note that JACK needs to compile with a no-self-connect patch enabled
>> in order to prevent clients self-connect/disconnect their own ports to
>> ports of other JACK applications. The current jackd2 version available
>> in Debian Wheezy fully supports ladish and also cooperates fine with
>> it.
>>
>> What does this mean for jackd1? If it is enabled, is this worth
>> mentioning?
>
>
> jackd1 can't be used with ladish, since we don't provide jack1dbus.
> AFAIK, there's a patch somewhere, but it's simply not necessary, jackd2
> is just fine for that, so we leave jackd1 as is for the purists (no
> dependency on dbus and the like).
>
> IMHO, the paragraph about the no-self-connect patch can be removed
> entirely, since we already do the right thing(tm). ;)


OK, I've replaced the paragraph with this:

Note that ladish uses the D-Bus interface to the jack daemon. This
means that jackd1 does not support it. The current jackd2 version
available in Debian Wheezy fully supports ladish and also cooperates
fine with it.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Adrian Knoth]

On 03/23/2012 02:38 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

[LADISH]

We are still missing an explanation on the following sentence:

Note that JACK needs to compile with a no-self-connect patch enabled
in order to prevent clients self-connect/disconnect their own ports to
ports of other JACK applications. The current jackd2 version available
in Debian Wheezy fully supports ladish and also cooperates fine with
it.

What does this mean for jackd1? If it is enabled, is this worth mentioning?


jackd1 can't be used with ladish, since we don't provide jack1dbus.
AFAIK, there's a patch somewhere, but it's simply not necessary, jackd2
is just fine for that, so we leave jackd1 as is for the purists (no
dependency on dbus and the like).

IMHO, the paragraph about the no-self-connect patch can be removed
entirely, since we already do the right thing(tm). ;)


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:32, Reinhard Tartler  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:15, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>>> I've been reviewing the Bits, and have a comment:
>>>
>>> The lash->ladish change is confusing. The part about a patch being
>>> needed is unnecessary IMO. It should be replaced by a statement of
>>> wether jackd1 and jackd2 support ladish (do they? I'd change it myself
>>> but I don't know if both do).
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll edit this thing a bit now (mostly cosmetic changes).
>>
>> BTW, given the current discussion on debian-devel (where people stated
>> they still use d-m.o for codecs), we should send the message ASAP.
>
> I have added some additional bits regarding Libav/FFmpeg there.
>
> Who has time to finalize and send it out?

We are still missing an explanation on the following sentence:

Note that JACK needs to compile with a no-self-connect patch enabled
in order to prevent clients self-connect/disconnect their own ports to
ports of other JACK applications. The current jackd2 version available
in Debian Wheezy fully supports ladish and also cooperates fine with
it.

What does this mean for jackd1? If it is enabled, is this worth mentioning?


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Reinhard Tartler]

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:15, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
>> I've been reviewing the Bits, and have a comment:
>>
>> The lash->ladish change is confusing. The part about a patch being
>> needed is unnecessary IMO. It should be replaced by a statement of
>> wether jackd1 and jackd2 support ladish (do they? I'd change it myself
>> but I don't know if both do).
>>
>>
>> I'll edit this thing a bit now (mostly cosmetic changes).
>
> BTW, given the current discussion on debian-devel (where people stated
> they still use d-m.o for codecs), we should send the message ASAP.

I have added some additional bits regarding Libav/FFmpeg there.

Who has time to finalize and send it out?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:15, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> I've been reviewing the Bits, and have a comment:
>
> The lash->ladish change is confusing. The part about a patch being
> needed is unnecessary IMO. It should be replaced by a statement of
> wether jackd1 and jackd2 support ladish (do they? I'd change it myself
> but I don't know if both do).
>
>
> I'll edit this thing a bit now (mostly cosmetic changes).

BTW, given the current discussion on debian-devel (where people stated
they still use d-m.o for codecs), we should send the message ASAP.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Felipe Sateler]

I've been reviewing the Bits, and have a comment:

The lash->ladish change is confusing. The part about a patch being
needed is unnecessary IMO. It should be replaced by a statement of
wether jackd1 and jackd2 support ladish (do they? I'd change it myself
but I don't know if both do).


I'll edit this thing a bit now (mostly cosmetic changes).

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Benjamin Drung]

Am Freitag, den 24.02.2012, 09:44 +0100 schrieb Fabian Greffrath:
> Am 23.02.2012 23:01, schrieb Benjamin Drung:
> > Are VLC 2.0.0 and Audacity 2.0.0~rc4 (soon 2.0.0) worth mentioning?
> 
> Sure!

Can someone with time do this (or ping me in two weeks)?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Fabian Greffrath]

Am 24.02.2012 09:56, schrieb Reinhard Tartler:

Does anyone else feel that the part between Libav vs. FFmpeg needed
clarification?


Indeed, reads a bit too biased maybe.

BTW, I have added a paragraph mentioning xvid and x264.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Reinhard Tartler]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Alessio Treglia  wrote:
> Bump :)

Does anyone else feel that the part between Libav vs. FFmpeg needed
clarification?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Fabian Greffrath]

Am 23.02.2012 23:01, schrieb Benjamin Drung:

Are VLC 2.0.0 and Audacity 2.0.0~rc4 (soon 2.0.0) worth mentioning?


Sure!

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Benjamin Drung]

Am Montag, den 20.02.2012, 13:28 +0100 schrieb Alessio Treglia:
> Bump :)

Are VLC 2.0.0 and Audacity 2.0.0~rc4 (soon 2.0.0) worth mentioning?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
> Problem is that saying "you no longer need dmo in Wheezy" implies "you
> need dmo in Squeeze" which is misleading.

Good catch, so we should emphasize that LAME as well as other exciting
stuff are provided by Squeeze backports.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

On 12-02-21 at 12:11am, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  
> wrote:
> > "New [ladish] packages are currently available in Debian unstable" - 
> > and also in testing now.  Should we adjust or perhaps better 
> > simplify to not mention explicitly migration status: Subject is 
> > "planned for Wheezy" which covers it.
> 
> I've made some adjustments, please review.
> 
> > "[LAME is...] in the main distribution, without having to resort to 
> > unofficial repositories." Seems unnecessary to mention unofficial 
> > repositories, as they are not "the main distribution".
> 
> Mmm.. no, I don't agree, I'd like to highlight the point: "Happy news 
> guys! LAME has joined Debian, hence as of now you don't need to rely 
> on dmo anymore!" :)

Yeah, I read the message between the lines ;-)

Problem is that saying "you no longer need dmo in Wheezy" implies "you 
need dmo in Squeeze" which is misleading.

I believe that we currently deal with dmo by treating it as non-existent 
and just close bugreports infected by it.  I'd prefer similar here.

...but as I wrote originally, it is a minor thing, so if important to 
you to keep it as-is, I'll rest my case :-)


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2012/2/21 Alessio Treglia :
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
>> I am not well oriented in video related packages,but what about gpac,
>> transcode maybe others gmerlin?
>> Are they worth to mention? They looks like crucial packages.
>
> Of course they are!

So I think this achievement should be mention! ;)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
> I am not well oriented in video related packages,but what about gpac,
> transcode maybe others gmerlin?
> Are they worth to mention? They looks like crucial packages.

Of course they are!

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2012/2/20 Alessio Treglia :
> Bump :)

I am not well oriented in video related packages,but what about gpac,
transcode maybe others gmerlin?
Are they worth to mention? They looks like crucial packages.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Jaromír Mikeš  wrote:
> Looks good to me.
> What's happened with dh_lv2config?

Not needed anymore, installation of extensions and related links is
handled by respective buildsystems.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jaromír Mikeš]

2011/4/26 Alessio Treglia :

> I've filled LV2 and ladish sections, reviewing is welcome!

Looks good to me.
What's happened with dh_lv2config?

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
> A few minor things I've noticed:
>
> BitsFrom says LV2 version whereas Policy/LV2 says version 3.

Squeeze supports LV2-rev3, Wheezy currently provides LV2-rev6, I've
fixed that sub-page.

> "New [ladish] packages are currently available in Debian unstable" - and
> also in testing now.  Should we adjust or perhaps better simplify to not
> mention explicitly migration status: Subject is "planned for Wheezy"
> which covers it.

I've made some adjustments, please review.

> "[LAME is...] in the main distribution, without having to resort to
> unofficial repositories." Seems unnecessary to mention unofficial
> repositories, as they are not "the main distribution".

Mmm.. no, I don't agree, I'd like to highlight the point: "Happy news
guys! LAME has joined Debian, hence as of now you don't need to rely
on dmo anymore!" :)

> How about a section on our team growing, perhaps explicitly mentioning
> major additions like Blender?

Why not? ACK from me!

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Reinhard Tartler  wrote:
> the LV2 and ladish section leaves me these questions unanswered:
>
>  - is jack1 expected to work with session handling?

No, ladish needs jack2.

>  - What does the user need to do to use the new session handling code?

Simply: run jackd2 and rely on laditools to access to a whole set of
options and nice GUI tools to handling sessions, connections and JACK
parameters.

>  - What are the bug numbers for the remaining work?

AFAIK, there is no TODO list of remaining points. But maybe I miss something.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Jonas Smedegaard]

On 12-02-20 at 01:51pm, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
>  - is jack1 expected to work with session handling?

As I recall, that was exactly a major selling point for JACK2 as opposed 
to JACK1 when JACK2 was introduced, and I haven't heard of major changes 
to JACK1 since then.


>  - What does the user need to do to use the new session handling code?

According to [upstream guide] you start laditray and from there gladish 
and/or other parts directly.

[upstream guide]: http://ladish.org/wiki/tutorial



A few minor things I've noticed:

BitsFrom says LV2 version whereas Policy/LV2 says version 3.

"New [ladish] packages are currently available in Debian unstable" - and 
also in testing now.  Should we adjust or perhaps better simplify to not 
mention explicitly migration status: Subject is "planned for Wheezy" 
which covers it.

"[LAME is...] in the main distribution, without having to resort to 
unofficial repositories." Seems unnecessary to mention unofficial 
repositories, as they are not "the main distribution".


How about a section on our team growing, perhaps explicitly mentioning 
major additions like Blender?


I hesitate editing those things myself, as I feel not the most 
knowledgeable at any of the areas affected.


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Fabian Greffrath]

Am 20.02.2012 13:51, schrieb Reinhard Tartler:

I've updated the mplayer2 parts now. I'm unsure if we should keep the
lame entry, I guess most people have noticed that we have it by now.
OTOH, I probably won't do harm either.


It won't harm, but could get extended to mention xvid and x264 as well.

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Reinhard Tartler]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Alessio Treglia  wrote:
> Bump :)

Thanks for the reminder. We really should get this update out RSN.

I've updated the mplayer2 parts now. I'm unsure if we should keep the
lame entry, I guess most people have noticed that we have it by now.
OTOH, I probably won't do harm either.

the LV2 and ladish section leaves me these questions unanswered:

 - is jack1 expected to work with session handling?
 - What does the user need to do to use the new session handling code?
 - What are the bug numbers for the remaining work?


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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Bump :)

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Alessio Treglia]

Hi again,

I've filled LV2 and ladish sections, reviewing is welcome!

Cheers,

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Re: Bits from the Debian Multimedia Team [RELOADED]

[Reinhard Tartler]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 18:15:11 (CEST), Felipe Sateler wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 17:40, Alessio Treglia  wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I've cleaned up this [1] and I've inserted a first summary of the contents.
>>
>> Please, help me filling it :)
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom
>
>
> I've added a brief introduction. I think we do not need the "Who are
> we?" section anymore.

I've added some notes regarding the Libav and mplayer2 situation.

We really need more news from the pro-audio experts. What is the news
over there?

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