Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Monday, 2011-10-03, Kevin Krammer wrote: Hi workspace people, part of the 4.7 changes is email becoming available as a service instead of being bound to specific applications. The application previously the only master of sending and receiving mails, KMail, is obviously still equipped with the necessary facilties to do its job. However, since this is no longer a tight coupling the other way around, it would IMHO greatly improve our workspace experience if we could control and monitor email exchange through workspace components. I could try to implement something myself, but I am not very good at nice UI, yet alone fancy UI :) So I was wondering if any person(s) with Plasma UI skills would be available to work as a team, i.e. me writing whatever Akonadi interaction code, data engine, etc. would be needed and someone else doing the user facing stuff. I copied the code from my first attempt of a data engine from SVN to a git scratch repository: scratch/krake/akonadiagents-dataengine Or for those using kdesrc-build: module akonadiagents-dataengine repository g...@git.kde.org:scratch/krake/akonadiagents-dataengine.git end module Call for help on UI side still stands of course. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
Hi workspace people, part of the 4.7 changes is email becoming available as a service instead of being bound to specific applications. The application previously the only master of sending and receiving mails, KMail, is obviously still equipped with the necessary facilties to do its job. However, since this is no longer a tight coupling the other way around, it would IMHO greatly improve our workspace experience if we could control and monitor email exchange through workspace components. I could try to implement something myself, but I am not very good at nice UI, yet alone fancy UI :) So I was wondering if any person(s) with Plasma UI skills would be available to work as a team, i.e. me writing whatever Akonadi interaction code, data engine, etc. would be needed and someone else doing the user facing stuff. My, probably naive, idea is to do something similar to the device notifier applet, i.e. something that shows the mail related agents and their basic status in a popup, expanding on click and having actions like toggle offline/online available from there. If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Monday, October 3, 2011 18:34:19 Kevin Krammer wrote: idea is to do something similar to the device notifier applet, i.e. something that shows the mail related agents and their basic status in a popup, expanding on click and having actions like toggle offline/online available from there. cool :) i imagine there might be some conceptual overlap with Lion Mail which shows what emails are coming in and even lets you read them right from its interface, and that perhaps it could make sense to extend Lion Mail in this direction? i also wonder about the intersection of IM, social websites (facebook, twitter) and email, though that is probably going a bit too far too quickly. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Monday, 2011-10-03, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday, October 3, 2011 18:34:19 Kevin Krammer wrote: idea is to do something similar to the device notifier applet, i.e. something that shows the mail related agents and their basic status in a popup, expanding on click and having actions like toggle offline/online available from there. cool :) i imagine there might be some conceptual overlap with Lion Mail which shows what emails are coming in and even lets you read them right from its interface, and that perhaps it could make sense to extend Lion Mail in this direction? I think Lion Mail is more about mail content than resource monitoring and control. IMHO like folder view vs. device notifier. But I have to admit I didn't have a look at Lion's capabilties yet. Also see below. i also wonder about the intersection of IM, social websites (facebook, twitter) and email, though that is probably going a bit too far too quickly. I was addressing mail in particular because it is the one biggest need for good interaction points due to its requirements such as network bandwidth, not wanting to fetch POP3 mails from more than one computer at once, etc. Since mail is only but one data type handled by Akonadi this would also be useful for, e.g. stopping/starting connections to a calendar server or remote calendar file, but I making it work properly for mail has priority. I actually wrote a basic data engine about a year ago [1], but didn't have time to follow up on this myself. Cheers, Kevin [1] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/dataengines/akonadiagents/ [2] also blogged about it back then: http://blogs.kde.org/node/4283 -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Monday 03 October 2011, Kevin Krammer wrote: cool :) i imagine there might be some conceptual overlap with Lion Mail which shows what emails are coming in and even lets you read them right from its interface, and that perhaps it could make sense to extend Lion Mail in this direction? I think Lion Mail is more about mail content than resource monitoring and control. IMHO like folder view vs. device notifier. lion mail is exactly that, an icon that resides in the panel or in the systray that notifies when there are new unread mails and shows in its popup only those unread in a specific folder. its biggest problem atm is resource usage since the data from akonadi is all copied in memory by the dataengine, some kind of lazy loading should be used, but i guess that's for libplasma2... -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
Hi Kevin, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:34, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: Hi workspace people, [...snip...] If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. At our KDE-Telepathy sprint we were looking into the possibilities to include email communication in our new chat plasmoid (work-in-progress), something like if the user is offline, offer the ability to send an email instead or show a notification about received email with the ability to respond via IM etc. This is something that will obviously require Nepomuk. Even though these two plasmoids do not entirely overlap, do you think it would be worth joining forces with KDE-Telepathy on this one? :) -- Marty K. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: Hi Kevin, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:34, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: Hi workspace people, [...snip...] If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. At our KDE-Telepathy sprint we were looking into the possibilities to include email communication in our new chat plasmoid (work-in-progress), something like if the user is offline, offer the ability to send an email instead or show a notification about received email with the ability to respond via IM etc. This is something that will obviously require Nepomuk. Even though these two plasmoids do not entirely overlap, do you think it would be worth joining forces with KDE-Telepathy on this one? :) Hmm, sounds interesting, So this is the plasmoid where users can toggle IM accounts offline/online? Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:16, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: Hi Kevin, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:34, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: Hi workspace people, [...snip...] If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. At our KDE-Telepathy sprint we were looking into the possibilities to include email communication in our new chat plasmoid (work-in-progress), something like if the user is offline, offer the ability to send an email instead or show a notification about received email with the ability to respond via IM etc. This is something that will obviously require Nepomuk. Even though these two plasmoids do not entirely overlap, do you think it would be worth joining forces with KDE-Telepathy on this one? :) Hmm, sounds interesting, So this is the plasmoid where users can toggle IM accounts offline/online? Nope, we're working on a chat plasmoid, something that will enable you to chat directly from your plasma desktop (think facebook chat/g+ chat). The design is not really finished yet, but we're getting there. This will be another plasmoid from KDE-Telepathy land ;) -- Marty K. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:16, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: Hi Kevin, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:34, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: Hi workspace people, [...snip...] If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. At our KDE-Telepathy sprint we were looking into the possibilities to include email communication in our new chat plasmoid (work-in-progress), something like if the user is offline, offer the ability to send an email instead or show a notification about received email with the ability to respond via IM etc. This is something that will obviously require Nepomuk. Even though these two plasmoids do not entirely overlap, do you think it would be worth joining forces with KDE-Telepathy on this one? :) Hmm, sounds interesting, So this is the plasmoid where users can toggle IM accounts offline/online? Nope, we're working on a chat plasmoid, something that will enable you to chat directly from your plasma desktop (think facebook chat/g+ chat). The design is not really finished yet, but we're getting there. This will be another plasmoid from KDE-Telepathy land ;) I see. In this case it will be better to do this separate for now. My goal for now is to enable users to see and control what's going on in their Akonadi setup, with a focus on monitoring and control of email accounts and sending. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:29, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:16, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: Hi Kevin, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:34, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: Hi workspace people, [...snip...] If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. At our KDE-Telepathy sprint we were looking into the possibilities to include email communication in our new chat plasmoid (work-in-progress), something like if the user is offline, offer the ability to send an email instead or show a notification about received email with the ability to respond via IM etc. This is something that will obviously require Nepomuk. Even though these two plasmoids do not entirely overlap, do you think it would be worth joining forces with KDE-Telepathy on this one? :) Hmm, sounds interesting, So this is the plasmoid where users can toggle IM accounts offline/online? Nope, we're working on a chat plasmoid, something that will enable you to chat directly from your plasma desktop (think facebook chat/g+ chat). The design is not really finished yet, but we're getting there. This will be another plasmoid from KDE-Telepathy land ;) I see. In this case it will be better to do this separate for now. My goal for now is to enable users to see and control what's going on in their Akonadi setup, with a focus on monitoring and control of email accounts and sending. Ok, cool. But we're watching you ;) Cheers good luck! -- Marty K. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Monday, October 3, 2011 20:35:28 Martin Klapetek wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:29, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:16, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: Hi Kevin, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:34, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: Hi workspace people, [...snip...] If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. At our KDE-Telepathy sprint we were looking into the possibilities to include email communication in our new chat plasmoid (work-in-progress), something like if the user is offline, offer the ability to send an email instead or show a notification about received email with the ability to respond via IM etc. This is something that will obviously require Nepomuk. Even though these two plasmoids do not entirely overlap, do you think it would be worth joining forces with KDE-Telepathy on this one? :) Hmm, sounds interesting, So this is the plasmoid where users can toggle IM accounts offline/online? Nope, we're working on a chat plasmoid, something that will enable you to chat directly from your plasma desktop (think facebook chat/g+ chat). The design is not really finished yet, but we're getting there. This will be another plasmoid from KDE-Telepathy land ;) I see. In this case it will be better to do this separate for now. My goal for now is to enable users to see and control what's going on in their Akonadi setup, with a focus on monitoring and control of email accounts and sending. Ok, cool. But we're watching you ;) it would be ++great if eventually this was all harmonized into one plasmoid for controlling the status of all communication channels in one place. even if it uses telepathy for some and akonadi for others behind the scenes, to the user it should appear as one thing. Kevin's work can perhaps blaze a trail here and then the telepathy folks can contribute as they have time and infrastructure to support it in order. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Any Plasma UI experts available for some team work?
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:56, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Monday, October 3, 2011 20:35:28 Martin Klapetek wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:29, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 20:16, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: On Monday, 2011-10-03, Martin Klapetek wrote: Hi Kevin, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:34, Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at wrote: Hi workspace people, [...snip...] If anyone is interested, please let me know. I am subscribed here on plasma-devel or of course also via personal mail. At our KDE-Telepathy sprint we were looking into the possibilities to include email communication in our new chat plasmoid (work-in-progress), something like if the user is offline, offer the ability to send an email instead or show a notification about received email with the ability to respond via IM etc. This is something that will obviously require Nepomuk. Even though these two plasmoids do not entirely overlap, do you think it would be worth joining forces with KDE-Telepathy on this one? :) Hmm, sounds interesting, So this is the plasmoid where users can toggle IM accounts offline/online? Nope, we're working on a chat plasmoid, something that will enable you to chat directly from your plasma desktop (think facebook chat/g+ chat). The design is not really finished yet, but we're getting there. This will be another plasmoid from KDE-Telepathy land ;) I see. In this case it will be better to do this separate for now. My goal for now is to enable users to see and control what's going on in their Akonadi setup, with a focus on monitoring and control of email accounts and sending. Ok, cool. But we're watching you ;) it would be ++great if eventually this was all harmonized into one plasmoid for controlling the status of all communication channels in one place. even if it uses telepathy for some and akonadi for others behind the scenes, to the user it should appear as one thing. Kevin's work can perhaps blaze a trail here and then the telepathy folks can contribute as they have time and infrastructure to support it in order. Totally. That's our masterplan. Sort of. -- Marty K. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
