Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday 13 May 2014, Andrew Lake wrote: * wallpapers: once they're ready I say put 'em here. We'll need to get them selected and a default chosen before the artwork freeze on May 29th (is that date still right?) yeah, makes sense Not in the Breeze project repo: * plasma theme - ready to ship (probably a few minor fixes before artwork freeze) is in the plasma-framework repo, shipped () * icons - with the actions complete pretty well fleshed out and everything else baselined on Flattr, I'm thinking we're closing in on something very much shippable. ok, ping us when they are ready, they'll end up there too probably If it's not already done, we still need to disable the oxygen background gradient since, far as I can tell, that's still our default window decoration and widget style for the first release. one thing is that in the first release most of the applications will be kde4 (probably even dolphin) so having a different oxygen theme in kde4 and kf5 apps won't help much i think -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday 13 May 2014 09:37:20 Marco Martin wrote: Not in the Breeze project repo: * plasma theme - ready to ship (probably a few minor fixes before artwork freeze) is in the plasma-framework repo, shipped () Shouldn't the plasma theme go into the breeze repo at some point, too, so everything artwork-related is in the same repo? * icons - with the actions complete pretty well fleshed out and everything else baselined on Flattr, I'm thinking we're closing in on something very much shippable. ok, ping us when they are ready, they'll end up there too probably If it's not already done, we still need to disable the oxygen background gradient since, far as I can tell, that's still our default window decoration and widget style for the first release. one thing is that in the first release most of the applications will be kde4 (probably even dolphin) so having a different oxygen theme in kde4 and kf5 apps won't help much i think As far as I know, the idea was to apply the Breeze color scheme and remove the gradient from the next release of Oxygen (or create a new widget style which is basically just Oxygen sans the gradient and choose that as default) so that applications using it (both generation 4 and 5) would fit into the overall design direction better. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday 13 May 2014, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On Tuesday 13 May 2014 09:37:20 Marco Martin wrote: Not in the Breeze project repo: * plasma theme - ready to ship (probably a few minor fixes before artwork freeze) is in the plasma-framework repo, shipped () Shouldn't the plasma theme go into the breeze repo at some point, too, so everything artwork-related is in the same repo? no, the framework repo needs at least one theme, the one with pluginname default since needs it in order to work and can't depend from an artwork repo for sure. one thing is that in the first release most of the applications will be kde4 (probably even dolphin) so having a different oxygen theme in kde4 and kf5 apps won't help much i think As far as I know, the idea was to apply the Breeze color scheme and remove the gradient from the next release of Oxygen (or create a new widget style which is basically just Oxygen sans the gradient and choose that as default) so that applications using it (both generation 4 and 5) would fit into the overall design direction better. if that's done also in the next 4.x release, that's fine -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday 13 May 2014 12:31:11 Marco Martin wrote: no, the framework repo needs at least one theme, the one with pluginname default since needs it in order to work and can't depend from an artwork repo for sure. Okay, now I got it, it's about the framework which can be used outside the workspace. one thing is that in the first release most of the applications will be kde4 (probably even dolphin) so having a different oxygen theme in kde4 and kf5 apps won't help much i think As far as I know, the idea was to apply the Breeze color scheme and remove the gradient from the next release of Oxygen (or create a new widget style which is basically just Oxygen sans the gradient and choose that as default) so that applications using it (both generation 4 and 5) would fit into the overall design direction better. if that's done also in the next 4.x release, that's fine Which part of the 4.x release exactly do you mean? Applications don't decide for themselves which widget theme they use, do they? So people who use 4.14 with Plasma Workspaces 4.11 can still use Oxygen with the gradient and the default Oxygen color theme, whereas people who use Plasma Next with 4.14 applications can use the Breeze color theme plus Oxygen sans gradient for the same applications, can't they? That way everything, including applications, would look new when run in Plasma Next compared to Plasma 4.11. Or am I missing some technological restriction here? ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday 13 May 2014, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Which part of the 4.x release exactly do you mean? Applications don't decide for themselves which widget theme they use, do they? So people who use 4.14 with Plasma Workspaces 4.11 can still use i mean updating oxygen for the next release to not use the gradient anymore and use the new colors -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday 13 May 2014 13:16:18 Marco Martin wrote: On Tuesday 13 May 2014, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Which part of the 4.x release exactly do you mean? Applications don't decide for themselves which widget theme they use, do they? So people who use 4.14 with Plasma Workspaces 4.11 can still use i mean updating oxygen for the next release to not use the gradient anymore and use the new colors Yes, we could either do that or fork Oxygen and ship the fork plus Breeze color scheme only with Plasma Next, right? Personally, I'd prefer the latter, because then we'd have more of a visual distinction between Plasma Next and Plasma 4.x, even though the applications are actually the same. I'd like to hear Jens' and Andrew's opinions on that, too though. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:25:57 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: As far as I know, the idea was to apply the Breeze color scheme and remove the gradient from the next release of Oxygen I tried that last week, and it looked really underwhelming. We *can* remove gradient and adjust color scheme, but at that point, it becomes clear that our artwork is half-assed, in Oxygen, the Breeze color scheme lacks depth and contrast. Try it for yourself. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
I tried that last week, and it looked really underwhelming. We *can* remove gradient and adjust color scheme, but at that point, it becomes clear that our artwork is half-assed, in Oxygen, the Breeze color scheme lacks depth and contrast. Try it for yourself. I have tried it and have to agree. The colour scheme does not suit oxygen at all. Cheers -- Make your code readable. Pretend the next person who looks at your code is a psychopath and they know where you live. -- Philip Wadler ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Tuesday 13 May 2014 13:44:12 Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:25:57 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: As far as I know, the idea was to apply the Breeze color scheme and remove the gradient from the next release of Oxygen I tried that last week, and it looked really underwhelming. We *can* remove gradient and adjust color scheme, but at that point, it becomes clear that our artwork is half-assed, in Oxygen, the Breeze color scheme lacks depth and contrast. Try it for yourself. The idea came from Andrew and tbh I haven't tried it yet. How does one remove the gradient? ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
* icons - with the actions complete pretty well fleshed out and everything else baselined on Flattr, I'm thinking we're closing in on something very much shippable. ok, ping us when they are ready, they'll end up there too probably I know I'll get slapped for this, but (regardless of the theme, and maybe a little bit off-topic) I wanted to raise a question regarding icon theme configurability. The thing that I've found quite problematic with oxygen are the toolbar (action) icons. I never had much problems with most application icons, devices and such. I was thinking of something like separate icon sets for toolbars and other parts - just like we have the plasma icons separate which was a little bit hackish. This would also help changing the action icons for the dark colour schemes without the need to change the main icon theme. Thoughts? ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On May 13, 2014 4:55 AM, Ivan Čukić wrote: I tried that last week, and it looked really underwhelming. We *can* remove gradient and adjust color scheme, but at that point, it becomes clear that our artwork is half-assed, in Oxygen, the Breeze color scheme lacks depth and contrast. Try it for yourself. I have tried it and have to agree. The colour scheme does not suit oxygen at all. Thanks, this is helpful. The main motivation was to make the application and the desktop portions look a little less like they're from different ends of the universe. It seems that specific color scheme didn't accomplish that. I think we can come up with a color scheme better suited to Oxygen (better depth and contrast) and that uses a similar palette to the plasma theme. If we think its worth it I'll do that today. Andrew ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
Sry for being quiet here - I'm fiddling with it (the Breeze-Oxygen color theme) this evening so expect something with screenshots. Also is it possible to our users a massive favour? Scrap the gradient AND the blue highlight (I know I know I've gotten attached to it too and it was actually pretty damn cool and ahead of its time but... well you know) - lets just replace it with something flat and a shadow and call it a day and combined with the new color scheme we can show that its a go between. ALSO just to be sure - we're shipping the Qtquick and Aurorae theme along with oxygen, right but not as defaults? Or are we leaving it to the user to install them themselves? I just want to make certain that they at least have a presence that is available. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Sunday 11 May 2014, Jens Reuterberg wrote: (ok third time trying to send this email - so I'm loosing confidence in my technical ability here) Ok so, via Andrew The Mythical Design Machine Lake - heres a screen shot of where Plasma Next is now. Yes - we in the VDG are the awesomeness and you can buy us candy now. http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/11/loving_it.png Ok, now I'm all wet :p so of all that, let's see what we have, what we don't and how we can make shippable * plasma theme: check * wallpaper: once is ready, where we do put it? * widget style: we have the qtcurve settings, i failed as well to contact the (supposedly new) maintainers * icons: those should also be imported somewhere * am i missing something? -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: so of all that, let's see what we have, what we don't and how we can make shippable * plasma theme: check * wallpaper: once is ready, where we do put it? * widget style: we have the qtcurve settings, i failed as well to contact the (supposedly new) maintainers * icons: those should also be imported somewhere * am i missing something? windeco - that's also done for aurorae, I'm unsure where though (breeze repo?) Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Monday 12 May 2014, Martin Klapetek wrote: (supposedly new) maintainers * icons: those should also be imported somewhere * am i missing something? windeco - that's also done for aurorae, I'm unsure where though (breeze repo?) breze repo (so already ok for release) contains: * cursors * aurorae windeco * qml style -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
There's an issue with the cursors though and that is that they only exist in one size right now which is causing merry hell for people with HDPI screens On Monday 12 May 2014 10.48.05 Marco Martin wrote: On Monday 12 May 2014, Martin Klapetek wrote: (supposedly new) maintainers * icons: those should also be imported somewhere * am i missing something? windeco - that's also done for aurorae, I'm unsure where though (breeze repo?) breze repo (so already ok for release) contains: * cursors * aurorae windeco * qml style ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Monday 12 May 2014, Jens Reuterberg wrote: There's an issue with the cursors though and that is that they only exist in one size right now which is causing merry hell for people with HDPI screens i'm looking to see if generating a double size version may be scriptable enoough -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Monday 12 May 2014, Jens Reuterberg wrote: There's an issue with the cursors though and that is that they only exist in one size right now which is causing merry hell for people with HDPI screens ok, now i automated the generation a bit and the cursors have also a doubled version. there is no version in between yet, because that i fear will have to be redrawn (the author may be happy even by just scaling i don't know -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Marco Martin wrote: so of all that, let's see what we have, what we don't and how we can make shippable * plasma theme: check * wallpaper: once is ready, where we do put it? * widget style: we have the qtcurve settings, i failed as well to contact the (supposedly new) maintainers * icons: those should also be imported somewhere * am i missing something? The full list in the Breeze project repo is: * colors - ready to ship (still need to set as default) * cursors - ready to ship as default (I assume this is being set as default) * widget styles: qtcurve settings - ready to ship (Also need to ship QtCurve as an included style like Fusion and MS Window 9x. Still need to figure out how to get QtCurve to use it by default since its settings UI is not yet in Qt5 port.) * widget styles: Qt Quick controls style - A few bug fixes remain but should be ready to ship * window decoration: Aurorae QML - ready to ship * window decoration: Aurorae svg - ready to ship * wallpapers: once they're ready I say put 'em here. We'll need to get them selected and a default chosen before the artwork freeze on May 29th (is that date still right?) Not in the Breeze project repo: * plasma theme - ready to ship (probably a few minor fixes before artwork freeze) * icons - with the actions complete pretty well fleshed out and everything else baselined on Flattr, I'm thinking we're closing in on something very much shippable. If it's not already done, we still need to disable the oxygen background gradient since, far as I can tell, that's still our default window decoration and widget style for the first release. Hope this helps! Andrew ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Where we are now... (VDG)
(ok third time trying to send this email - so I'm loosing confidence in my technical ability here) Ok so, via Andrew The Mythical Design Machine Lake - heres a screen shot of where Plasma Next is now. Yes - we in the VDG are the awesomeness and you can buy us candy now. http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/11/loving_it.png ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Where we are now... (VDG)
Ok so obviously first attempt worked its 2:30 at night here ... but chocolate is still preferred if you're gonna buy candy On Sunday 11 May 2014 02.11.48 Jens Reuterberg wrote: (ok third time trying to send this email - so I'm loosing confidence in my technical ability here) Ok so, via Andrew The Mythical Design Machine Lake - heres a screen shot of where Plasma Next is now. Yes - we in the VDG are the awesomeness and you can buy us candy now. http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/11/loving_it.png ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
