Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.comwrote: I run CentOS 5.3, I try to keep updated because it's CentOS and CentOS sadly is way behind as far as Linux distributions go. People who run CentOS want something that just plain works and they don't expect to reinstall their operating system every 6 months or sooner. Ubuntu seems to be the most popular Linux distribution for desktops and it seems to be more current, but I'm not sure I like Ubuntu. I don't like having to maintain 2 different Linux distributions. Games like Dirk Dashing Secret Agent noticeably don't work quite right on CentOS. The latest release of Dirk Dashing doesn't seem to work at all on CentOS, I am not sure why. Where is Linux going in the future? What is getting the most attention right now across the board in general? Wine and ReactOS still have a long ways to go. Dirk Dashing is a native Linux program, but it doesn't work equally well on all Linux distributions. Are the various Linux distributions, enterprise and desktop editions, going to get closer in time features wise? Is there going to be a 2.8.xyz kernel soon? The kernels that CentOS uses stock are quite old as far as the 2.6 branch goes. I am using 2.6.18 and the current kernel is like 2.6.27 or something. In CentOS, the mesa drivers seem to be ancient. Graphics support in CentOS seems to be weak even if you have updated as far as you can. I'm wondering when CentOS 6 is going to come out? Enterprise Linux Distributions are supposed to be for people who need a system that just works. But do these distributions have to be so far behind the bleeding edge? I'm surprised there aren't repositories for CentOS to make it more bleeding edge so that you don't have to maintain a whole entire different Linux distribution. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug You have to decide what you want your machine to do and what you value more. If you value something super stable and not bleeding edge then something like CentOS is a good bet. Slackware is the same in many respects although that project isn't beholden to an upstream distro for updates in the vein of CentOS. I really stayed away from the Ubuntu train only because when I first tried is many many releases ago it just wasn't my thing. I have run more recent releases to play with and I do find it has really matured and supports all the things that I want to run/do. I am currently running Fedora 11 though and have found it to be stable, easy to work with and prompt with updates. So you're at the cross roads. Move to something else or stick with something you're familiar with. Unfortunately with the way open source and it's dependency and code re-use goes (which I find to be a good thing) .. changes with games and such aren't going to work on a distro that doesn't release the latest and greatest graphics updates. Drew- ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Michael Robinsonplu...@robinson-west.com wrote: I run CentOS 5.3, I try to keep updated because it's CentOS and CentOS sadly is way behind as far as Linux distributions go. People who run CentOS want something that just plain works and they don't expect to reinstall their operating system every 6 months or sooner. Ubuntu seems to be the most popular Linux distribution for desktops and it seems to be more current, but I'm not sure I like Ubuntu. I don't like having to maintain 2 different Linux distributions. Well, You could always use the LTS version of both server and desktop. snipped from website Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop: Released April 2008 and maintained until April 2011 – ideal for large deployments. Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server: Released April 2008 and maintained until April 2013 – ideal for large deployments Games like Dirk Dashing Secret Agent noticeably don't work quite right on CentOS. The latest release of Dirk Dashing doesn't seem to work at all on CentOS, I am not sure why. Where is Linux going in the future? What is getting the most attention right now across the board in general? Wine and ReactOS still have a long ways to go. Dirk Dashing is a native Linux program, but it doesn't work equally well on all Linux distributions. Are the various Linux distributions, enterprise and desktop editions, going to get closer in time features wise? Is there going to be a 2.8.xyz kernel soon? The kernels that CentOS uses stock are quite old as far as the 2.6 branch goes. I am using 2.6.18 and the current kernel is like 2.6.27 or something. In CentOS, the mesa drivers seem to be ancient. Graphics support in CentOS seems to be weak even if you have updated as far as you can. I'm wondering when CentOS 6 is going to come out? Enterprise Linux Distributions are supposed to be for people who need a system that just works. But do these distributions have to be so far behind the bleeding edge? I'm surprised there aren't repositories for CentOS to make it more bleeding edge so that you don't have to maintain a whole entire different Linux distribution. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Setting OO.o Writer Default
John Jason Jordan wrote: Yet, in spite of the fact that there are no toolbars, the position of the text and objects in the document window jumps when I select a graphical object. It could be that OOo is respecting the position that the toolbar is supposed to go into if it was not turned off. So your theory may still be the basis of the problem. i also find (on a regular basis) that if i'm typing in the middle of a paragraph, the position wrapping of the text below the insertion point doesn't update properly until i scroll the window or move the inserstion point forward or down with the arrow keys. i'm not looking for a reason or fix, just shocked that so basic a function could be so broken. -- Joe Shisei Niski Portland, Oregon, USA ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Larry Brigman larry.brig...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Michael Robinsonplu...@robinson-west.com wrote: I run CentOS 5.3, I try to keep updated because it's CentOS and CentOS sadly is way behind as far as Linux distributions go. People who run CentOS want something that just plain works and they don't expect to reinstall their operating system every 6 months or sooner. Ubuntu seems to be the most popular Linux distribution for desktops and it seems to be more current, but I'm not sure I like Ubuntu. I don't like having to maintain 2 different Linux distributions. Well, You could always use the LTS version of both server and desktop. snipped from website Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop: Released April 2008 and maintained until April 2011 – ideal for large deployments. Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server: Released April 2008 and maintained until April 2013 – ideal for large deployments One of the nice advantages of CentOS piggy-backing on RHEL is that it is supported for what seems like forever. There is still a stable release of CentOS 3 with backports and updates. For these kind of distributions there should not be a 3 or 5 year cut off since the systems they are used to build will be running for much longer and need to be extremely stable. When you run CentOS you should thinking about uptime. (I wonder what distro google uses... ) ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
will be running for much longer and need to be extremely stable. When you run CentOS you should thinking about uptime. (I wonder what distro google uses... ) I brought a ubuntu system to a google office to offload a few gig of video files. I'll boot our gobuntu cd will be able to read your raid and write to the FS in our data center. That's all I know. I will let the reader extrapolate. -- Carl K ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
On Wed, September 2, 2009 8:53 am, Dan Colish wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Larry Brigman larry.brig...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Michael Robinsonplu...@robinson-west.com wrote: I run CentOS 5.3, I try to keep updated because it's CentOS and CentOS sadly is way behind as far as Linux distributions go. -- snip -- One of the nice advantages of CentOS piggy-backing on RHEL is that it is supported for what seems like forever. There is still a stable release of CentOS 3 with backports and updates. For these kind of distributions there should not be a 3 or 5 year cut off since the systems they are used to build will be running for much longer and need to be extremely stable. When you run CentOS you should thinking about uptime. (I wonder what distro google uses... ) Google is large enough that using it's own distribution could make economic sense -- since it's not distributing it 'out of house' I suspect that it could even keep it's own changes private, if it wanted to. But that's just supposition -- I'd like to know too. -- Tim Wescott Control systems and communications consulting http://www.wescottdesign.com Land line: 503.631.7815 Cell: 503.349.8432 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Dan Colishdcol...@gmail.com wrote: run CentOS you should thinking about uptime. (I wonder what distro google uses... ) I was under the impression that Google largely uses its own customized Linux distro, though I'm not sure it can be called a distro if it isn't distributed ... in any case, I think Google's Linux is its own thing. Michael M. -- Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. --Thomas Jefferson ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
As a former Googler I can say we did use a custom Ubuntu called Goobuntu. No real secret sauce to it. Just bundled with some tools we used in house of course I can't say what because of that darned NDA :) Drew On 9/2/09, Tim Wescott t...@wescottdesign.com wrote: On Wed, September 2, 2009 8:53 am, Dan Colish wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Larry Brigman larry.brig...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Michael Robinsonplu...@robinson-west.com wrote: I run CentOS 5.3, I try to keep updated because it's CentOS and CentOS sadly is way behind as far as Linux distributions go. -- snip -- One of the nice advantages of CentOS piggy-backing on RHEL is that it is supported for what seems like forever. There is still a stable release of CentOS 3 with backports and updates. For these kind of distributions there should not be a 3 or 5 year cut off since the systems they are used to build will be running for much longer and need to be extremely stable. When you run CentOS you should thinking about uptime. (I wonder what distro google uses... ) Google is large enough that using it's own distribution could make economic sense -- since it's not distributing it 'out of house' I suspect that it could even keep it's own changes private, if it wanted to. But that's just supposition -- I'd like to know too. -- Tim Wescott Control systems and communications consulting http://www.wescottdesign.com Land line: 503.631.7815 Cell: 503.349.8432 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Sent from my mobile device ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
Where is Linux going in the future? Well, I'm pretty sure a direction it's *not* going is toward One Distribution to Bind Them All, though Ubuntu is about as close as it gets. We're a very fractured community. If something seems works well one one distro, it's likely to be taken up by the others, but if we wanted to run the same thing everyone else is running, we wouldn't be using Linux to begin with. So why do you run Linux? Because you want to keep your skills sharp? Because you like the flexibility? For the freedom? Whatever it is, there's probably a distro that's best for those reasons. CentOS/RHEL is meant to run on servers. If you want to stick with the Red Hat paradigm, but trade some stability for desktop performance, then try Fedora. If you don't mind moving away from RPMs altogether and you want recent packages with a large community and a lot of support, then Ubuntu is the obvious choice. If you want to micromanage your computer and you don't mind stuff breaking whenever you upgrade, then give Gentoo a try. Burn yourself some LiveCDs. Just about every major distribution has a LiveCD that will run the OS free of commitment. -Nick ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions concern...
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Nick Aubertnickaub...@gmail.com wrote: Burn yourself some LiveCDs. Just about every major distribution has a LiveCD that will run the OS free of commitment. And then there are virtual environments where you can run them all. Regards, - Robert ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I hosed my WRT54GL, need JTAG help
m0gely == m0gely m0g...@gmail.com writes: m0gely I don't want to purchase the cable and parts even though they m0gely aren't that expensive. I've flashed many of these and made one m0gely silly mistake on one doing some experimenting. Is anyone out m0gely there capable of providing this service for me that has had to m0gely do this before? I would gladly kick a few duckets your way or m0gely at least provide some good conversation during the m0gely process. Thanks! Have you tried serial console? How do you know the bootloader is toasted? -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] I hosed my WRT54GL, need JTAG help
I don't want to purchase the cable and parts even though they aren't that expensive. I've flashed many of these and made one silly mistake on one doing some experimenting. Is anyone out there capable of providing this service for me that has had to do this before? I would gladly kick a few duckets your way or at least provide some good conversation during the process. Thanks! -- m0gely ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I hosed my WRT54GL, need JTAG help
I thought I'd hosed one of those back in the day... are you able to tftp / telnet to it at all? I forget where, but someone had posted a good howto on the matter. some of this networking firmware lives separately from that which you'd flash via the GUI. Good for fubars. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:38 PM, m0gely m0g...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want to purchase the cable and parts even though they aren't that expensive. I've flashed many of these and made one silly mistake on one doing some experimenting. Is anyone out there capable of providing this service for me that has had to do this before? I would gladly kick a few duckets your way or at least provide some good conversation during the process. Thanks! -- m0gely ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Distro concerns
Michael Robinson wrote: I have been trying to build a local repository of the Fedora 10 updates, but now there is Fedora 11. Yikes! I wish there was an attempt to take a stable distro like CentOS which works without updates and add modern features to it. I realize that CentOS is an enterprise distribution that tries to follow RHEL, but the problem is that there needs to be something between CentOS and Fedora. EPEL, rpmforge? Though they may not let you bleed as much as you'd like. :-) I've only semi followed this thread but want mention that I use CentOS 5.3 (final) for my desktop/workstation (along with a couple of dozen servers.) There have been a few applications that wouldn't work or even install that I would have liked to play with but for the most part I am happy. Installed Ubuntu for a friend/client and most of the regulars at the local user group use Ubuntu but I am not ready to give up my working setup to play with the bells, whistles, streamers, and flashing lights that they are always showing. Besides those same things are available for CentOS if I wanted to take the time to play around. I like knowing I don't have to upgrade for a couple more years. Maybe if I fix my wife's computer and get my bench (play) system back I can spend some time with other distributions. So back to your concerns. I think you can get close to bleeding edge with EPEL and rpmforge. \\||/ Rod -- It isn't easy to build local update repositories, or maybe I just am not the best at it. I find the Ubuntu root business with sudo a bit odd. I am also uncomfortable with the fact that Ubuntu tends to be installed from a CD that doesn't contain most of the Ubuntu packages. I don't want to use a Linux distribution that isn't supported for very long if I'm expected to go to the Internet to get packages for it. Even though Ubuntu is supposedly a desktop operating system, I know my brother uses it on his server system. The nice thing about CentOS is that you can literally order a DVD for it and without the updates it will work. I wish there was a Linux distro that takes Fedora and fixes anything that breaks before making a new release. No updates between releases. Frequent releases with the ability to upgrade existing systems. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I hosed my WRT54GL, need JTAG help
Jameson Williams wrote: I thought I'd hosed one of those back in the day... are you able to tftp / telnet to it at all? I forget where, but someone had posted a good howto on the matter. some of this networking firmware lives separately from that which you'd flash via the GUI. Good for fubars. tftp won't connect. I ran a command that effects how much memory it thinks it has. I was in one of those reading/learning/20tabsopen fits and stopped paying close attention. The command was for a GS, not a GL. gah... The power light just flashes on and off with the rest solid. I've read that a jtag cable appraoch will almost certainly allow me to fix it. -- m0gely ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I hosed my WRT54GL, need JTAG help
Russell Senior wrote: m0gely == m0gely m0g...@gmail.com writes: m0gely I don't want to purchase the cable and parts even though they m0gely aren't that expensive. I've flashed many of these and made one m0gely silly mistake on one doing some experimenting. Is anyone out m0gely there capable of providing this service for me that has had to m0gely do this before? I would gladly kick a few duckets your way or m0gely at least provide some good conversation during the m0gely process. Thanks! Have you tried serial console? How do you know the bootloader is toasted? These are the commands I ran: nvram set sdram_init=0x0A nvram set sdram_ncdl=0 nvram commit reboot A person than myself told me the router falls over suring boot becaause I told it a lie on how much memory it has. My original post (doh, it's a G, not a GL, sorry. It's been shelved for a few months): http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=272912 -- m0gely ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Distro concerns
I believe the Ubuntu Long Term Support editions do exactly what you state: a linux distribution that is supported for a long time, and you are expected to go to the internet to get packages for it. It does not, however, do the other thing you asked for, which is to add modern features. I'm afraid you are simply asking too much in this case. -wes On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.comwrote: I have been trying to build a local repository of the Fedora 10 updates, but now there is Fedora 11. Yikes! I wish there was an attempt to take a stable distro like CentOS which works without updates and add modern features to it. I realize that CentOS is an enterprise distribution that tries to follow RHEL, but the problem is that there needs to be something between CentOS and Fedora. It isn't easy to build local update repositories, or maybe I just am not the best at it. I find the Ubuntu root business with sudo a bit odd. I am also uncomfortable with the fact that Ubuntu tends to be installed from a CD that doesn't contain most of the Ubuntu packages. I don't want to use a Linux distribution that isn't supported for very long if I'm expected to go to the Internet to get packages for it. Even though Ubuntu is supposedly a desktop operating system, I know my brother uses it on his server system. The nice thing about CentOS is that you can literally order a DVD for it and without the updates it will work. I wish there was a Linux distro that takes Fedora and fixes anything that breaks before making a new release. No updates between releases. Frequent releases with the ability to upgrade existing systems. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] USB Camera Driver
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Rich Shepard wrote: Tried an earlier version of CamStream and that built and installed just fine. The application starts, the blue light on the camera turns on, but all I see the little window with a black background, but no image from the camera. In the virtual console I see this: W: VDLinux::run() VIDIOCMCAPTURE failed (Invalid argument) W: run(): VIDIOCSYNC(1) failed (Invalid argument) Can anyone suggest a mail list, Web forum, or other resource where I could get some help in resolving this problem? Thanks, Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | IntegrityCredibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] USB Camera Driver
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Bill Barry wrote: You can start with this wiki http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Thanks, Bill. Reading the wiki section on webcams I'm pointed back to Ekiga. And it's interesting that the Logitech model I have is a newer version of one of those mentioned on that wiki, but it not explicitly included. and the linux-media mailing list linux-me...@vger.kernel.org which you can subscribe to here http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html I'll give them a try, too. Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | IntegrityCredibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] USB Camera Driver
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Rich Shepardrshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: Can anyone suggest a mail list, Web forum, or other resource where I could get some help in resolving this problem? Thanks, Rich You can start with this wiki http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page and the linux-media mailing list linux-me...@vger.kernel.org which you can subscribe to here http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html Bill ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Distro concerns
Hello, On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.comwrote: I have been trying to build a local repository of the Fedora 10 updates, but now there is Fedora 11. Yikes! Yes Fedora 11 is out, with 12 on the way. It is a 6 month cycle. If that is too fast for you, Fedora is not your best option. However, they do officially support the N-1 release, which means each release is supported for 12 months. Fedora 10 is supported until Fedora 12 is released, and 11 is supported until 13 is released. By supported I mean questions in the forums and IRC channels, security updates, bugfixes, etc. I wish there was an attempt to take a stable distro like CentOS which works without updates and add modern features to it. I realize that CentOS is an enterprise distribution that tries to follow RHEL, but the problem is that there needs to be something between CentOS and Fedora. It isn't easy to build local update repositories, or maybe I just am not the best at it. I am trying to understand your bottom line here- you want a stable distro, that doesn't have updates, yet you want modern features? You either have stable (CentOS, Debian Stable, Ubuntu LTS), or you have modern (Fedora, Debian Testing, Ubuntu current), there really isn't much middle ground. I'm not sure but OpenSuSE and Mandriva probably fall into the modern category as well, being desktop focused. As far as between CentOS and Fedora, if you mean the old vs. new package point of view, would probably be the previous release of Fedora, as mentioned above the releases are supported for 2 release cycles or 12 months. So if you want somewhat more stable than Fedora 11, stick with 10. But be prepared to upgrade when 12 comes out. You can stay one behind if you want, but once you are two releases behind you are no longer supported. And what exactly do you mean works without updates? You can run any distro without updates, just don't expect to remain secure. Is your problem internet bandwidth, you don't want to have to download the updates? I know for Fedora, there are the Fedora Unity respin ISOs, which are released periodically, and contain all of the updates to that point. So at some point there will be a Fedora 11 respin release, with all the updates up to the date of release, so you can just install it and be good to go, without having to install all the updates since 11 was initially released. These are not official ISOs, but they are suggested for those who don't have the bandwidth to download all the updates. http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity It looks like they have torrents for the Fedora 10 respins, but not the 11 respins yet. I find the Ubuntu root business with sudo a bit odd. I am also uncomfortable with the fact that Ubuntu tends to be installed from a CD that doesn't contain most of the Ubuntu packages. I don't want to use a Linux distribution that isn't supported for very long if I'm expected to go to the Internet to get packages for it. Even though Ubuntu is supposedly a desktop operating system, I know my brother uses it on his server system. The nice thing about CentOS is that you can literally order a DVD for it and without the updates it will work. I wish there was a Linux distro that takes Fedora and fixes anything that breaks before making a new release. No updates between releases. Frequent releases with the ability to upgrade existing systems. I am not sure I understand your point here- Fedora project takes the release and fixes anything that breaks with updates, that's what they are there for. You want it to be fixed but you don't want any updates? If you want there to be 0 bugs in any given release, that is a pipe dream for any software, commercial or open source. Bugs happen, updates fix them. And you want more frequent releases than 6 months (Fedora style)? Most current distros have the upgrade option, Fedora and Ubuntu included. Going from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 example, you can do it with a CD/DVD, or there are ways to do it with the update repos. However as with any OS, it is better to back up data and install the new one fresh. To put it another way, how many people still run a machine that originally had Win95, then did upgrade installs of Win98, WinME, Win2k, XP, Vista, and soon Win7? Making the jump from the old DOS based Win95/98/ME to the NT based Win2K/XP/Vista would be very messy if not impossible, without a fresh install. And just going from one major release to another would be rather messy as well and is not recommended. Granted MS systems tend to gain much more bloat than Linux, but you can see the gist of it. Matt M. LinuxKnight ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Distro concerns
I wish there was an attempt to take a stable distro like CentOS which works without updates and add modern features to it. I realize that CentOS is an enterprise distribution that tries to follow RHEL, but the problem is that there needs to be something between CentOS and Fedora. [...] I find the Ubuntu root business with sudo a bit odd. I am also uncomfortable with the fact that Ubuntu tends to be installed from a CD that doesn't contain most of the Ubuntu packages. I don't want to use a Linux distribution that isn't supported for very long if I'm expected to go to the Internet to get packages for it. Even though Ubuntu is supposedly a desktop operating system, I know my brother uses it on his server system. I'm just going to say it: You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want an up-to-date distro that's been fully tested. Well, there just aren't enough resources around to do this in the open source community. Microsoft comes close to achieving this, but they do it by cutting corners and don't actually package any serious amount of third-party software. (I know this isn't a Linux vs. Windows discussion, but I think the comparison helps us understand what's reasonable to expect from a vendor.) Microsoft forces hardware developers to do the driver work, and many of the sorts of packages that Linux distros always come with by default (compilers, interpreters, editors, audio/video, ...) have to be installed separately on Windows with a different release cycle. Linux distros, on the other hand, package everything together and even maintain the majority of the drivers for supported hardware. It's a complex task. Microsoft's advantage here, is that if some driver or third party software package comes out buggy, they can just blame someone else or force Dell and the like to test things for them on particular platforms. Linux distributions are all about collecting thousands of packages into a somewhat coherent installation. Many of them are not going to be well tested *and* be updated frequently because some are only seriously used by ~5 people. Anyway, depending on the purpose of your installation, you can always pick between multiple levels of stability/updatedness on that spectrum. You just can't get both with any distro and I doubt that will change any time soon. The nice thing about CentOS is that you can literally order a DVD for it and without the updates it will work. I wish there was a Linux distro that takes Fedora and fixes anything that breaks before making a new release. No updates between releases. Frequent releases with the ability to upgrade existing systems. My opinion? Software is a living thing; lack of care and feeding leads to death. No longer can you stand still in a connected network, no matter what vendor you are talking about. As soon as someone burns that convenient DVD and you install it, you're behind. Install from the network and you download less and get more up-to-date software. You need to, at a minimum, apply security patches. Many Linux distros apply only security and serious bug updates and don't change functionality which keeps them stable. If you're not connecting a device to a network at all, then just don't bother with the patches... Good luck in your quest, tim ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] USB Camera Driver
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.comwrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Bill Barry wrote: You can start with this wiki http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Thanks, Bill. Reading the wiki section on webcams I'm pointed back to Ekiga. And it's interesting that the Logitech model I have is a newer version of one of those mentioned on that wiki, but it not explicitly included. and the linux-media mailing list linux-me...@vger.kernel.org which you can subscribe to here http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html I'll give them a try, too. Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | IntegrityCredibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Rich, I'll be installing Slack 13 in the next couple of days and I'll plug in my camera and see what happens with Ekiga and hopefully I can point you in the right direction. I'll try it on this Fedora install as well and see what happens. Drew- ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] KDE Reset - Real Solution
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 06:56:45PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: # from Michael Rasmussen # on Wednesday 26 August 2009 20:25: I'd like to reset KDE so it doesn't start up any applications on startup. Where is the clean place to do that? I think it's ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc And Eric is correct. That's the config file that lists what was running, in what state on which desktop. It is what I was looking for. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be appropriate Follow your curiosity http://www.jamhome.us/ The fortune cookie says: It is often the case that the man who can't tell a lie thinks he is the best judge of one. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] CPU Usage
I have a Thinkpad T61 with Intel Core2 Duo at 2.00 GHz on which I have Jaunty x86_64. At the moment I am trying to print a couple of pages of a PDF from Okular and it is taking forever to image. While I watch the progress in System Monitor I note that the CPUs switch back and forth. That is, for a while CPU1 will be at or near 100% and CPU2 will be around 30%. After a while they swap and CPU1 will be at 30% or so and CPU2 will be at or near 100%. I get the same results from Adobe Reader 9.1. However, Adobe Reader is so slow that I killed it after waiting 20 minutes. I am wondering how Linux decides which CPU to use for which process. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
