Re: [PLUG] a question on "mv" command

[Pete Lancashire]

Use to be a good 'test' for a Comp Sci class.

Before the class

touch a b c

mkdir d

In the class

mv *



On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:25 AM, VY  wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies. I completely forgotten about "*" being
> interpreted by the shell.
> That makes sense now...
>
> thanks again!
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:16 AM, John Meissen  wrote:
>
> > The 'mv' command takes the last argument as the destination. The shell
> will
> > expand the wildcard into a list before calling 'mv' (or performing it,
> as I
> > think it's actually built-in), so in your example
> >   mv *
> > is equivalent to
> >   mv a b c
> >
> > > Dear All
> > >
> > > Yesterday, I was told of this usage of "mv" and I could not figure out
> > why
> > > it would work.
> > > So I am sending out my question
> > >
> > > Say I am in a directory with 3 sub-directories "a", "b" and "c".
> > > I then type
> > >
> > > bash>   mv *
> > >
> > > Directory "a" and "b" would move under "c".
> > >
> > > I re-read the man page for "mv" and nothing says it can do this.  And
> it
> > did
> > > say there needs to be a "source and "destination".  From this command
> > above,
> > > there isn't that 2-parameter requirement.
> > >
> > > Can anyone explain why this would work?  Or is this an undocumented
> > > side-effect
> > > for "mv"?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] Selecting a SSD

[Pete Lancashire]

Rich said all that needs to be said

> As long as you back up your /home and data you're covered



On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>
> > Samsung was recommended here. I see $150 for their 850 EVO 480G, and they
> > have a 5 Yr. warranty v.s. 3 Yr. for the other brands in that price
> range.
> > But a number of reviewers report terrible interactions with their
> warranty
> > support. Anybody here have similar issues? Is the likelihood of failure
> > low enough to ignore this issue? (My plan is to have the SSD my only
> > drive, and backup of data but not a duplicate of the system.)
>
> Denis,
>
>My experience since I bought my first Seagate 20M ST225 in 1985 is
> having
> one drive fail about a dozen years ago ... a WD Black 500G which the
> company
> immediately replaced. I suspect the truism that if electonics don't quickly
> fail they'll last a long time still holds.
>
>I have the same Samsung 850 EVO 480G SSD in my Dell Latitude E5410 and a
> smaller Samsung 160G SSD in my Dell Latitude 2100. I don't think about
> failure of the drives.
>
>As long as you back up your /home and data you're covered ... except for
> the time involved in replacing the failed drive and re-installing your
> favorite distribution.
>
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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

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Portland Oregon .. the Black Hole of technology

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I was over in Honolulu abt this time last year, needed some parts was
> directed to a place not too far from the seafood plant where I was, walked
> in and found one of those type of emporiums. Had some in the Tampa Bay area
> and Orlando (cape surplus stuff) sure miss that.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 13:57, "Rich Shepard"  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 13 Aug 2017, Edward Koenig wrote:
> >
> > > I really do miss the days browsing the local shops for part to build my
> > > own boxes.
> >
> >When I had my ham radio license and built my own transmitters and
> > receivers I used to go down to Canal St (NYC) and rummage in the bins for
> > the resistors, capacitors, switches, vacuum tubes, etc. I needed. No
> > blister
> > packs; buy only what you need. Those days are gone. To a large extent, I
> > miss them.
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Question about header on sent e-mail message

[Pete Lancashire]

what are you using to send mail with ?

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Rich Shepard 
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>When I receive a response to an e-mail message I sent (top-posted,
> naturally), and the sender includes the header of my message, it often
> includes this line:
>
> From: rshepard@localhost [mailto:rshepard@localhost] On Behalf Of Rich
> Shepard
>
>My outbound mail is relayed through SpiritOne (nee Aracnet).
>
>I would like to understand why the domain is 'localhost' rather than the
> actual domain, and how to fix it so outgoing messages have the correct
> domain name.
>
>All thoughts welcome.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Looking for PC/Main board x686 (could be K7) with 2-3 EISA slots

[Pete Lancashire]

Would post it, but no longer in my trash "folder". It maybe in another
place but that's at work and will look tomorrow.

-pete

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Denis Heidtmann
 wrote:
> Would you be willing to post the message you received from FG?  If your
> description of the response were typical I would stay away too.  But my
> experience has been otherwise.  If they were out-of-line they should know
> about it and take corrective action.  They perform a useful service, and
> good customer relations helps them perform that service.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Pete Lancashire 
> wrote:
>
>> So I emailed FG, a few days later received a reply that basically said
>> "you have to be kidding, why the heck should we waste our time, btw we
>> have this store that has great stuff it in with prices higher than
>> Ebay even with shipping.
>>
>> Oh .. I was in the 'hood so I dropped in, let's see a as-is Mac cube
>> thing, said AS-IS $25, a crappy Dell desktop, the ones the sell on CL
>> for $10 or Goodwill (with their > $750K CEO) for $20-30, price $100
>> with 1GB memory. How about a USB (not C) cable for $5. PC keyboard
>> with a missing key for $5. 17" LCD for $80, same model as the one I
>> got at Goodwill for $20. Old DC-600 tape cartridges marked down to $18
>> from $25, AS-IS no return.
>>
>> Sure glad I didn't go out of my way.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Pete Lancashire 
>> wrote:
>> > I am no longer looking for any, when the contract was completed the
>> > customer purchased the system from me, I currently do not have a
>> > requirement.
>> >
>> > In retrospect I'm  glad FG declined, I was willing at the time to
>> > offer up to $100 per drive, but acquired some for $5 each plus a 50
>> > miles round trip.
>> >
>> > -pete
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Jim Karlock  wrote:
>> >> I got several hits when I entered 8" floppy on ebay.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> JK
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 05:04 PM 1/8/2017, you wrote:
>> >>>Sadly I've given up on FG. I was looking for a couple 8" DS floppy
>> >>>drives, had a request to see if I could recover some CAD data. Someone
>> >>>said the same thing so I called FG. Confirmed they still had them but
>> >>>they would not sell them to me, had to be scrapped, gave some super
>> >>>lame excuses.
>> >>>
>> >>>-pete
>> >>>
>> >>>On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>> >>> > Dropped two machines with that sort of board in them off at Free
>> Geek a bit
>> >>> > over a week ago.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Pete Lancashire <
>> p...@petelancashire.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Anyone have an old PC K7 or newer that has at least 2 EISA slots
>> that
>> >>> >> they no longer want ?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -pete
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Re: [PLUG] Looking for PC/Main board x686 (could be K7) with 2-3 EISA slots

[Pete Lancashire]

So I emailed FG, a few days later received a reply that basically said
"you have to be kidding, why the heck should we waste our time, btw we
have this store that has great stuff it in with prices higher than
Ebay even with shipping.

Oh .. I was in the 'hood so I dropped in, let's see a as-is Mac cube
thing, said AS-IS $25, a crappy Dell desktop, the ones the sell on CL
for $10 or Goodwill (with their > $750K CEO) for $20-30, price $100
with 1GB memory. How about a USB (not C) cable for $5. PC keyboard
with a missing key for $5. 17" LCD for $80, same model as the one I
got at Goodwill for $20. Old DC-600 tape cartridges marked down to $18
from $25, AS-IS no return.

Sure glad I didn't go out of my way.



On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Pete Lancashire  wrote:
> I am no longer looking for any, when the contract was completed the
> customer purchased the system from me, I currently do not have a
> requirement.
>
> In retrospect I'm  glad FG declined, I was willing at the time to
> offer up to $100 per drive, but acquired some for $5 each plus a 50
> miles round trip.
>
> -pete
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Jim Karlock  wrote:
>> I got several hits when I entered 8" floppy on ebay.
>>
>> Thanks
>> JK
>>
>>
>> At 05:04 PM 1/8/2017, you wrote:
>>>Sadly I've given up on FG. I was looking for a couple 8" DS floppy
>>>drives, had a request to see if I could recover some CAD data. Someone
>>>said the same thing so I called FG. Confirmed they still had them but
>>>they would not sell them to me, had to be scrapped, gave some super
>>>lame excuses.
>>>
>>>-pete
>>>
>>>On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>>> > Dropped two machines with that sort of board in them off at Free Geek a 
>>> > bit
>>> > over a week ago.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Pete Lancashire 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Anyone have an old PC K7 or newer that has at least 2 EISA slots that
>>> >> they no longer want ?
>>> >>
>>> >> -pete
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>>> >
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>>> > The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on.
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Re: [PLUG] Looking for PC/Main board x686 (could be K7) with 2-3 EISA slots

[Pete Lancashire]

I am no longer looking for any, when the contract was completed the
customer purchased the system from me, I currently do not have a
requirement.

In retrospect I'm  glad FG declined, I was willing at the time to
offer up to $100 per drive, but acquired some for $5 each plus a 50
miles round trip.

-pete

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Jim Karlock  wrote:
> I got several hits when I entered 8" floppy on ebay.
>
> Thanks
> JK
>
>
> At 05:04 PM 1/8/2017, you wrote:
>>Sadly I've given up on FG. I was looking for a couple 8" DS floppy
>>drives, had a request to see if I could recover some CAD data. Someone
>>said the same thing so I called FG. Confirmed they still had them but
>>they would not sell them to me, had to be scrapped, gave some super
>>lame excuses.
>>
>>-pete
>>
>>On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>> > Dropped two machines with that sort of board in them off at Free Geek a bit
>> > over a week ago.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Pete Lancashire 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anyone have an old PC K7 or newer that has at least 2 EISA slots that
>> >> they no longer want ?
>> >>
>> >> -pete
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Re: [PLUG] Looking for PC/Main board x686 (could be K7) with 2-3 EISA slots

[Pete Lancashire]

Sadly I've given up on FG. I was looking for a couple 8" DS floppy
drives, had a request to see if I could recover some CAD data. Someone
said the same thing so I called FG. Confirmed they still had them but
they would not sell them to me, had to be scrapped, gave some super
lame excuses.

-pete

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
> Dropped two machines with that sort of board in them off at Free Geek a bit
> over a week ago.
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Pete Lancashire 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have an old PC K7 or newer that has at least 2 EISA slots that
>> they no longer want ?
>>
>> -pete
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[PLUG] Looking for PC/Main board x686 (could be K7) with 2-3 EISA slots

[Pete Lancashire]

Anyone have an old PC K7 or newer that has at least 2 EISA slots that
they no longer want ?

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Re: [PLUG] 4k displays with video card recommendations?

[Pete Lancashire]

I am going to be in the same boat this spring when I put a new desktop
together. He just got one of these

http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD58-B-4k-uhd-led-monitor

-pete



On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Russell Senior 
wrote:

>
> I have a very early i7 quadcore desktop box with a dual monitor setup.
> However, it has some annoying features, not least being the bezels on
> the two displays running down the middle.  I'm interested in getting a
> single 4K display to replace them, maybe in the 30-36" diagonal range.
> In addition, I'd need a suitable linux-friendly video card to drive it.
>
> Has anyone set up a 4K rig with recommendations on hardware?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [PLUG] Linux job hunting...

[Pete Lancashire]

Here's a few of my thoughts

First an experience for a PSU CS graduate. He could not and still can not
write in a language of his choice a program that outputs the string "Hello
World"

I hope this does not reflect the typical graduate and also hope the a
potential hiring company knows.

What are your skills out writhing software that

 - fits in a small code space ?
 - you know how to make code wiggle a voltage on an electrical wire ? As in
make bit 5 of word 123 go low ?
 - and many more like that

Go but a couple of the little < $20 single board computers that run Linux
or Android. Learn to get time to do things that are real world, as in make
an LED light up, or send a TCP/IP based wireless message that some one
caused a PIR sensor to change state (Learn with PIR means).

Oh yea .. we are taking C maybe C++ here.

Why, there is going to be a lot and there is quite a bit now of need for
remote wireless I/O, Not only the scary IOT stuff, but even without that
there is a growing need for sensors and actuators to become smarter and
wireless. Read up on what the manufacturing industry is up to, go find out
how many sensors are in a chemical plant.

Not interested in the real world ? Well that's not me so learn this weeks
latest bloatware programming environment and join the crowd as in get in
line.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Michael C. Robinson <
mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> I have a major problem, I'm a college grad in computer science with 0
> years of experience.  That PSU allows this when granting a degree is
> sad, but that's another issue for another time.  Everything I can find
> is for senior level people and a lot of the programming jobs require
> .NET or some other Microsoft thing.  Short of an internship, no college
> graduate can have experience programming in a Linux or any other
> environment professionally.  How do you land a job in this market? With
> Intel laying off so many senior level people, I cannot compete with the
> talent out there.  The tech industry in Oregon doesn't need college
> graduates and doesn't seem to want them either.
>
> I'm thinking of volunteering somewhere, possibly at freegeek.  Thing
> is, I need coding experience.  The only other thing I can think to do
> is build a code repository and certify in Java.  Don't know if there
> are Python, C++, PHP, and Perl certifications that companies care
> about.  I'm looking at seasonal work in retail because I can't get a
> computer job.  That doesn't cut it, I worked too hard for a degree in
> computer science to be shut out of the field.  I need in, I'm too old
> to wait: 1, 5, or 10 years longer for that first progamming job.  I've
> been job hunting for 2 years as it is.
>
> Interested in any good tips or advice people may have.  I admit I'm
> discouraged, but I'm not giving up.  Giving up won't solve the problem
> of being unable to land that first programming job.  This isn't a
> situation I want to deal with much longer, an entry level programming
> job would be very welcome.  Barring that, all I can think to do is
> prove I have the experience necessary to function in a more senior
> position.  That's a heck of a place to start though.
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[PLUG] Suggestions for a tablet

[Pete Lancashire]

Hopefully this is not off topic

I'm looking for a table that

- runs any o/s other then Microsoft, doesn'te even have to be open.

- 9 to 12 inches, don't know what resolution

- reasonable battery life, say 4 hours but not a show stopper.

- can be charged while being used.

- connect to wireless for example the nice PTP signal at my local LuckyLab

- can 'surf' the web with a browser

- can watch most Videos, Youtube for example

- a POP/IMAP client, doesn't really matter which

Optional

- a HTML editor and a means to ftp files up and down.

- a simple line drawing program.

- supports the use of a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse.

Thats about it.

-pete
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[PLUG] IEEE Spectrum interviews Linus

[Pete Lancashire]

http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/linux-at-25-qa-with-linus-torvalds
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Re: [PLUG] anyone interested in some tty paper tape?

[Pete Lancashire]

I can only give say 10 out total, I need the deck for the card reader that
is sitting near the 029

If someone want one for display etc .. that I can handle

-pete



On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:34 PM,  wrote:

> > For anyone interested in a sample 80 col card, I have a "deck' of  reader
> > test cards, they are punched
> > with alternating ones / zeros
> >
> >
> > 0101
> > 1010...
> > 0101
> > 1010...
> > 0101
> > 1010...
> > 0101
> > 1010...
> > 0101
> > 1010...
> > 0101
> > 1010...
>
> I am interested in those. Also looking for lace cards.
>
> How do I get them from you?
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Pete Lancashire <
> p...@petelancashire.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Rich,
> >>
> >> I have a couple boxes and can give out a few but not many. Hope to have
> >> an
> >> 029 running this Fall.
> >>
> >> -pete
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rich Shepard  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016, Joe Pruett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > i have about 1.5 boxes of it sitting in my basement. contact me
> >>> directly
> >>> > if you are interested. none of my crazy friends have working
> >>> teletypes
> >>> > anymore :-).
> >>>
> >>> Joe,
> >>>
> >>>Have any 80-column Hollerith cards you want to give away?
> >>>
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Re: [PLUG] anyone interested in some tty paper tape?

[Pete Lancashire]

For anyone interested in a sample 80 col card, I have a "deck' of  reader
test cards, they are punched
with alternating ones / zeros


0101
1010...
0101
1010...
0101
1010...
0101
1010...
0101
1010...
0101
1010...



On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> Rich,
>
> I have a couple boxes and can give out a few but not many. Hope to have an
> 029 running this Fall.
>
> -pete
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016, Joe Pruett wrote:
>>
>> > i have about 1.5 boxes of it sitting in my basement. contact me directly
>> > if you are interested. none of my crazy friends have working teletypes
>> > anymore :-).
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>>Have any 80-column Hollerith cards you want to give away?
>>
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Re: [PLUG] anyone interested in some tty paper tape?

[Pete Lancashire]

Rich,

I have a couple boxes and can give out a few but not many. Hope to have an
029 running this Fall.

-pete

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016, Joe Pruett wrote:
>
> > i have about 1.5 boxes of it sitting in my basement. contact me directly
> > if you are interested. none of my crazy friends have working teletypes
> > anymore :-).
>
> Joe,
>
>Have any 80-column Hollerith cards you want to give away?
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Re: [PLUG] Considering a new hard drive?

[Pete Lancashire]

how things change A decade ago if one cared, you bought Seagate, not they
are near the bottom of the list.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016, Patrick J. Timlick wrote:
>
> > FWIW: I've had 0 hard drive failures since I standardized on Western
> > Digital drives about 15 years ago.
>
>Adding to the recommendations for Western Digital drives, over a couple
> of
> decades I had one WD drive fail and the company quickly sent a replacement.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Survey: what make/model router do you use at home?

[Pete Lancashire]

1) what is the make/model of the wifi device that you use in your
house?  none is an acceptable answer.

What ever is on the telco provided, it is disabled

 2) about how old is it (rough guess is fine)?

About 3 years old. My old Cisco Speedrunner finally died

 2) is it running firmware from the vendor or have you installed a 3rd
party firmware like DDwrt, OpenWrt or similar?

The telco on no, after the telco 'box', I have a four network port
router running OpenWrt. Cant remember who made the SBC, name
started with S. One of those group buy things.

 3) Do you now or have you ever exhibited any interest in model trains?
(this is to weight your answer heavier for the target demographic)

In the past yes, neighbor had a setup that run from the basement up and
down an incline into the family room upstairs and back. Computer was a
General Automation 16 bit mini.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Russell Senior 
wrote:

>
> Galen Seitz and I are working on a project where we encountered a "bug"
> in our hardware/software when connecting to certain off-the-shelf wifi
> routers, involving the 4way handshake associated with RSN/WPA2.  We are
> trying to estimate the probability that customers are going to encounter
> this in the field.  So far, we know of 4 make/models that are
> problematic and 4 make/models that aren't.
>
> Please answer the following questions to the best of your ability:
>
>  1) what is the make/model of the wifi device that you use in your
> house?  none is an acceptable answer.
>
>  2) about how old is it (rough guess is fine)?
>
>  2) is it running firmware from the vendor or have you installed a 3rd
> party firmware like DDwrt, OpenWrt or similar?
>
>  3) Do you now or have you ever exhibited any interest in model trains?
> (this is to weight your answer heavier for the target demographic)
>
> The general idea is once we have a guess at what are common devices, we
> can obtain access to an example to test against off of ebay or from a
> willing volunteer.
>
> You can respond here or mail me directly at wifisur...@klickitat.com
> and I can compile aggregate results.
>
> I appreciate your help!
>
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Re: [PLUG] Print list of folders

[Pete Lancashire]

oh what the heck, off to the printer, how wide is the fixed font output on
your printer, if it support postscript take a look at enscript, just like
find is has a zillon options

have a dumb printer ?

take the above and  ...| column -c 
| lpr -P 



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> I forgot (still having my morning caffine) I forgot to have find strip off
> the starting directory
>
>
> so onto the printf options, another one with a zillon options
>
> the entity you only want is the 'filename'  (I didn't write the man page),
> what they really mean
> is 'what entity find finds'.
>
> In this case you want to print out '%f' and and newline
>
> so the corrected command is
>
> find /usr -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -printf '%f\n'
>
> oh 
>
>
> >   Yet, 'ls -d */' is simpler still for listing all directories in the 
> > current
> directory.
>
> The problem with this is it adds a trailing slash to the name of the
> directory, if one wants to
> do something with the output you'll need to get rid of the slash
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Pete Lancashire  > wrote:
>
>> Want: I wish to print a list of directories (but not the files or 
>> subdirectories
>> contained in the directories)
>>
>> The short answer
>>
>> find   -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1
>> -type d
>>
>>
>> the find program is your friend, but one you will love and hate at the
>> same time, even I have to still do
>> a man or info find.
>>
>> find  [] [> options>]
>>
>> Your first requirement 'only directories' is handled by the option -type
>> , in your case object
>> type is d for directory
>>
>> Let use /usr as the starting point
>>
>> find /usr -type d
>>
>> This will output all directories under /usr and /usr it self since it is
>> a directory
>>
>> Next you only want the directories under your starting point, find calls
>> this depth, but it is not the
>> depth option you want (see find can be hard to get to like at times)
>>
>> the option you want is maxdepth, in your case you want a maximum depth of
>> 1.
>>
>> find /usr -maxdepth 1 -type d
>>
>> Note the maxdepth is before the type, I'll leave it up you to find out why
>>
>> You said only the directories under the one your interested in, so you
>> will need to use mindepth as well.
>>
>> so ...
>>
>> find /usr -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d
>>
>> Hope this is what you are looking for 
>>
>> -pete
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:08 AM, John Jason Jordan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the additional suggestions - so many options! However, the
>>> initial suggestion to send the output of ls to a simple text file did
>>> the job. The only thing that might have made it a bit more elegant
>>> would have been to concatenate another command to send the text file to
>>> the printer with lpr. But it was just about as fast for me to double
>>> click on the text file, which opened it in Gedit, and then Ctrl-p to
>>> open the print dialog box.
>>>
>>> This was a one-off situation which I will likely never need to do
>>> again.
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Re: [PLUG] Print list of folders

[Pete Lancashire]

I forgot (still having my morning caffine) I forgot to have find strip off
the starting directory


so onto the printf options, another one with a zillon options

the entity you only want is the 'filename'  (I didn't write the man page),
what they really mean
is 'what entity find finds'.

In this case you want to print out '%f' and and newline

so the corrected command is

find /usr -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -printf '%f\n'

oh 


>   Yet, 'ls -d */' is simpler still for listing all directories in the current
directory.

The problem with this is it adds a trailing slash to the name of the
directory, if one wants to
do something with the output you'll need to get rid of the slash



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> Want: I wish to print a list of directories (but not the files or 
> subdirectories
> contained in the directories)
>
> The short answer
>
> find   -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1
> -type d
>
>
> the find program is your friend, but one you will love and hate at the
> same time, even I have to still do
> a man or info find.
>
> find  [] [ options>]
>
> Your first requirement 'only directories' is handled by the option -type
> , in your case object
> type is d for directory
>
> Let use /usr as the starting point
>
> find /usr -type d
>
> This will output all directories under /usr and /usr it self since it is a
> directory
>
> Next you only want the directories under your starting point, find calls
> this depth, but it is not the
> depth option you want (see find can be hard to get to like at times)
>
> the option you want is maxdepth, in your case you want a maximum depth of
> 1.
>
> find /usr -maxdepth 1 -type d
>
> Note the maxdepth is before the type, I'll leave it up you to find out why
>
> You said only the directories under the one your interested in, so you
> will need to use mindepth as well.
>
> so ...
>
> find /usr -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d
>
> Hope this is what you are looking for 
>
> -pete
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:08 AM, John Jason Jordan 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the additional suggestions - so many options! However, the
>> initial suggestion to send the output of ls to a simple text file did
>> the job. The only thing that might have made it a bit more elegant
>> would have been to concatenate another command to send the text file to
>> the printer with lpr. But it was just about as fast for me to double
>> click on the text file, which opened it in Gedit, and then Ctrl-p to
>> open the print dialog box.
>>
>> This was a one-off situation which I will likely never need to do
>> again.
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Re: [PLUG] Print list of folders

[Pete Lancashire]

Want: I wish to print a list of directories (but not the files or
subdirectories
contained in the directories)

The short answer

find   -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1
-type d


the find program is your friend, but one you will love and hate at the same
time, even I have to still do
a man or info find.

find  [] []

Your first requirement 'only directories' is handled by the option -type
, in your case object
type is d for directory

Let use /usr as the starting point

find /usr -type d

This will output all directories under /usr and /usr it self since it is a
directory

Next you only want the directories under your starting point, find calls
this depth, but it is not the
depth option you want (see find can be hard to get to like at times)

the option you want is maxdepth, in your case you want a maximum depth of 1.

find /usr -maxdepth 1 -type d

Note the maxdepth is before the type, I'll leave it up you to find out why

You said only the directories under the one your interested in, so you will
need to use mindepth as well.

so ...

find /usr -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d

Hope this is what you are looking for 

-pete


On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:08 AM, John Jason Jordan 
wrote:

> Thanks for the additional suggestions - so many options! However, the
> initial suggestion to send the output of ls to a simple text file did
> the job. The only thing that might have made it a bit more elegant
> would have been to concatenate another command to send the text file to
> the printer with lpr. But it was just about as fast for me to double
> click on the text file, which opened it in Gedit, and then Ctrl-p to
> open the print dialog box.
>
> This was a one-off situation which I will likely never need to do
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Re: [PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[Pete Lancashire]

I might be able to but two of them 'talk' to serial ports. They are for
programming PLC's (Programmable Logic Controllers).

-pete

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> > Here is a crappy part, I may want to dual boot. I have some industrial
> and
> > control software that only run under Windoz.
>
> Pete,
>
>Can you run those windoz applications in a virtual machine?
>
> > Price is an object but not top on the list, a good solid running board
> is.
> > I like buying from Newegg but don't have to.
>
>I've had excellent service using Asus system boards.
>
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[PLUG] Time to build a new PC

[Pete Lancashire]

It is time for me to build a new PC. I like having to build one, gives me
one of those warm and fuzzy feeling and lets me say to myself I can still
use a screwdriver.

Looking for a main board, Don't do games but maybe in 2016 I will upgrade
to one of the nice high resolution monitors and will want to keep a 2nd
monitor.

I have a smaller scanner that has Firewire (and USB 2 but can not keep up
with the data rate). So at least one PCI-E slot, the old MB I have uses a
PCI card but I dont mind getting a adpater board if I have to.

BTW my two big scanners are SCSI-2 (with SCSI-3 capable interfaces) but I
have a older server PC for them. One maxes out SCSI-2. Someday like to have
a PC for the scanners since the server PC puts out about the same sound
level then when your at PDX getting on board a puddle jumper.

Here is a crappy part, I may want to dual boot. I have some industrial and
control software that only run under Windoz.

Price is an object but not top on the list, a good solid running board is.
I like buying from Newegg but don't have to.

Suggestions ? Success or failure stories ?

-pete
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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

[Pete Lancashire]

What is the intended purpose of you soon to be new Linux box ?

-pete

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Jim Webb  wrote:

> I'm going to start using Linux again. I'm interested in a run of the mill
> distribution that works well and isn't cutting edge. What do you suggest?
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Re: [PLUG] What CMS to use ?

[Pete Lancashire]

>>   If the ISP hosts the software Pete needs only provide the content.

They do, and I don't get 'root', its basically use an app they provide, or
if everything fits in PHP then you can upload to your document-root.

I don't mind going with something that starting off with would be overkill.
I hate getting trapped in a corner later on.



On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Louis Kowolowski wrote:
>
> > You may want to investigate some static site generators, and, to be fair
> > in comparisons, check out things like wordpress, drupal, etc
>
>Some time last year there were reports of a wordpress vulnerability that
> was being exploited; probably fixed by now.
>
> > Pick the one that looks like it will do what you want and be the least
> > amount of effort to maintain going forward (this could be either on the
> > server side, or the client side. for example upgrading pkgs on a regular
> > basis may not be something you want to do. you may decide you want to be
> > able to manage content via the browser. etc.)
>
>If the ISP hosts the software Pete needs only provide the content.
>
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Re: [PLUG] What CMS to use ?

[Pete Lancashire]

It is time for me to start putting stuff on my website. One section will be
litterly 1,000s of scanned magazines, catalogs etc, Then another topics of
interest, musings etc.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Louis Kowolowski 
wrote:

> If you go with something that is PHP based, be careful. There are *lots*
> of exploits for PHP.
>
> What kind of requirements do you have?
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > You can read about them here: http://www.opensourcecms.com/
> >
> > IMO, WordPress simplest, drupal is super powerful and extensible, and
> > joomla has a pretty admin interface.
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Re: [PLUG] What CMS to use ?

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Sorry that was meant for different destination

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> You asked for the list, here it is
>
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Re: [PLUG] What CMS to use ?

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On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> Thanks nice basic comparison
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, Mark Phillips wrote:
>>
>> > The link did not work for me (it was truncated). Here is the full line -
>>
>>Oops! Thought I captured the entire URL.
>>
>> >
>> http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/cms-comparison-drupal-joomla-and-wordpress
>> >
>> > Personally, I prefer Python to PHP, so I prefer working with the django
>> > framework. There is django-cms, mezzanine, and wagtail, to name a few
>> CMS
>> > that are based on dhango. There are others as well.
>>
>>I was going to suggest django but that was not on Pete's list. His ISP
>> might not support it so he needs to use what they provide.
>>
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Re: [PLUG] What CMS to use ?

[Pete Lancashire]

Thanks nice basic comparison

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, Mark Phillips wrote:
>
> > The link did not work for me (it was truncated). Here is the full line -
>
>Oops! Thought I captured the entire URL.
>
> >
> http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/cms-comparison-drupal-joomla-and-wordpress
> >
> > Personally, I prefer Python to PHP, so I prefer working with the django
> > framework. There is django-cms, mezzanine, and wagtail, to name a few CMS
> > that are based on dhango. There are others as well.
>
>I was going to suggest django but that was not on Pete's list. His ISP
> might not support it so he needs to use what they provide.
>
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[PLUG] What CMS to use ?

[Pete Lancashire]

It is time for me to start posting 'stuff' on one of my domains.

Looking for comments good and bad on a CMS to use.

My hosting company provides Wordpress, Drupal and Joomla

Other then must be close to 7 years ago I played around with
Drupal and Joomla. That is about the limit of my experience

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Re: [PLUG] gawk: modify field contents

[Pete Lancashire]

A couple questions

Floating point numbers without a leading '<' (e.g., ',0.01,,') are written
to the output file and, if there is a blank field immediately following,
insert a zero (0) in that following field.

What are the FP fields ?

If a FP field and the following field is empty for example 123.4,
change this to 123.4,0

Sample 10321000__1981-09-17

The field NH4 is 0.13 and NO2 is empty. This should be translated to 0.13,0


Issue: Not knowing which are the FP fields, one would not know which
following fields need to be changed

Floating point numbers with a leading less-than symbol and space, '< ',
have that stripped off leaving the number in the field. The following blank
field has a one (1) inserted.

same sample

The field Co is < space 3 and ceneq1 is empty the translation should be 3,1


See above, need to know which are the FP fields


To make the program generic, floating point numbers with less-than symbols

but no following space, and those with a leading minus sign (-) also have
those symbols stripped off and a 1 inserted in the following field.

ditto

All fields with 'M' and a variable amount of white space have the noise
removed so it's a blank field written to the output file.

If contains a M change the fields to empty


The hardest part it knowing which are the FP fields. If you restrict
yourself to using
regex's it could be done but you would end up with something like

   {3}; {6}, {22}

If I was doing this and had a list of the fields I'd do the RTL process
either in Perl (I've not used python)
where one would have an array of which fields are FP something like
(0,0,0,1,0,0,1,1,0,) where 1 is FP
and then read a line split into an array, loop through each fields if the
index of the 'if fp' array ='s 1 then
with a switch/case (makes it easy to add more logic) do what you want.

-pete back to work










On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> I did a cut/past of the data but have a question
>
> the 9th row does not match any of the others is this correct ?  If not,
> can you attached the sample data as a file vs. pasting it
>
> site.code sampdattmp.h2o tmp.air disc.cfs Turb
> 10321000  1965-10-01 98
> 10321000  1965-11-01 141
> 10321000  1965-12-01 128
> 10321000  1979-07-30 26.00   80   10.0
> 10321000  1979-08-29 21.50   29
> 10321000  1979-08-29 21.50   19   13.0
> 10321000  1979-10-26 12.50   42   6.8
> .913 29  0.2 029
> 10321000  1980-06-23 20.50   2070 23.0
> 10321000  1980-07-29 24.00   203  11.0
> 10321000  1980-08-25 19.50   49   11.0
> 10321000  1980-09-30 17.00   47   6.0
> 10321000  1980-11-21 5.00108  9.5
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015, Larry Brigman wrote:
>>
>> > Messed that one up Sample data needed/wanted to verify proper
>> operation.
>>
>> Larry, et al.:
>>
>>Here's what I want to accomplish. Don't care if the tool is written in
>> awk, sed, python, or a bash shell script; I want to save days and weeks of
>> tedious data cleaning exported from sloppy Excel spreadsheets.
>>
>>The following 20 lines of data are for testing while developing a data
>> cleaning program. The first line (the header) is written, un-molested, to
>> the output file.
>>
>>All strings and integer fields are written to the output file.
>>
>>Floating point numbers without a leading '<' (e.g., ',0.01,,') are
>> written
>> to the output file and, if there is a blank field immediately following,
>> insert a zero (0) in that following field.
>>
>>Floating point numbers with a leading less-than symbol and space, '< ',
>> have that stripped off leaving the number in the field. The following
>> blank
>> field has a one (1) inserted.
>>
>>To make the program generic, floating point numbers with less-than
>> symbols
>> but no following space, and thosse with a leading minus sign (-) also have
>> those symbols stripped off and a 1 inserted in the following field.
>>
>>All fields with 'M' and a variable amount of white space have the noise
>> removed so it's a blank field written to the output file.
>>
>> 
>>
>> site.code,sampdat,tmp.h2o,tmp.air,disc.cfs,Turb,Cond,DO,pH,disc.cms,Alk,hard,TDS.mgl,TDS.tpd,TSS,ANC,HCO3,CO3,N.tot,N.org,NH4,NO2,NO3,o-PO3,o-P,org.C,CN,ceneq1,Ca,Mg,Na,K,Cl,SO4,F,ceneq1,Si,As,Ba,

Re: [PLUG] gawk: modify field contents

[Pete Lancashire]

I did a cut/past of the data but have a question

the 9th row does not match any of the others is this correct ?  If not, can
you attached the sample data as a file vs. pasting it

site.code sampdattmp.h2o tmp.air disc.cfs Turb
10321000  1965-10-01 98
10321000  1965-11-01 141
10321000  1965-12-01 128
10321000  1979-07-30 26.00   80   10.0
10321000  1979-08-29 21.50   29
10321000  1979-08-29 21.50   19   13.0
10321000  1979-10-26 12.50   42   6.8
.913 29  0.2 029
10321000  1980-06-23 20.50   2070 23.0
10321000  1980-07-29 24.00   203  11.0
10321000  1980-08-25 19.50   49   11.0
10321000  1980-09-30 17.00   47   6.0
10321000  1980-11-21 5.00108  9.5




On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015, Larry Brigman wrote:
>
> > Messed that one up Sample data needed/wanted to verify proper
> operation.
>
> Larry, et al.:
>
>Here's what I want to accomplish. Don't care if the tool is written in
> awk, sed, python, or a bash shell script; I want to save days and weeks of
> tedious data cleaning exported from sloppy Excel spreadsheets.
>
>The following 20 lines of data are for testing while developing a data
> cleaning program. The first line (the header) is written, un-molested, to
> the output file.
>
>All strings and integer fields are written to the output file.
>
>Floating point numbers without a leading '<' (e.g., ',0.01,,') are
> written
> to the output file and, if there is a blank field immediately following,
> insert a zero (0) in that following field.
>
>Floating point numbers with a leading less-than symbol and space, '< ',
> have that stripped off leaving the number in the field. The following blank
> field has a one (1) inserted.
>
>To make the program generic, floating point numbers with less-than
> symbols
> but no following space, and thosse with a leading minus sign (-) also have
> those symbols stripped off and a 1 inserted in the following field.
>
>All fields with 'M' and a variable amount of white space have the noise
> removed so it's a blank field written to the output file.
>
> 
>
> site.code,sampdat,tmp.h2o,tmp.air,disc.cfs,Turb,Cond,DO,pH,disc.cms,Alk,hard,TDS.mgl,TDS.tpd,TSS,ANC,HCO3,CO3,N.tot,N.org,NH4,NO2,NO3,o-PO3,o-P,org.C,CN,ceneq1,Ca,Mg,Na,K,Cl,SO4,F,ceneq1,Si,As,Ba,ceneq1,B,ceneq1,Ca,ceneq1,Cr,ceneq1,Co,ceneq1,Cu,ceneq1,F,ceneq1,Pb,ceneq1,Mn,ceneq1,Mo,ceneq1,Ni,ceneq1,Ag,ceneq1,Sr,ceneq1,V,ceneq1,Zn,ceneq1,Al,ceneq1,Li,ceneq1,Se,ceneq1
>
> 10321000,1965-10-01,,,98,,490,,8.4,2.80,,150,,85.60,,,238,4,,,40,12,46,,,
>
> 10321000,1965-11-01,,,141,,507,,8.3,4.00,,170,,122.00,,213,252,4,,,50,11,42,,,
>
> 10321000,1965-12-01,,,128,,564,,8.1,3.60,,190,359,129.00,,238,290,0,,,56,13,47,6.4,16,37,0.5,0,40,
> 10321000,1979-07-30,26.00,,80,10.0,458,7.50,8.8,2.30,,160,299,61.30,83,235,280,3,0.66,0.62,0.0144,11,35,7.1,11,24,0.4,0,25,8.00,90.00,0,,,<
> 2< 3,,M ,,< 10,,U ,,< 1,,U ,,< 3,,< 1,
>
> 10321000,1979-08-29,21.50,,29,,518,,,0.82
>
> 10321000,1979-08-29,21.50,,19,13.0,509,8.50,8.4,0.54,,160,201,11.60,78,185,220,3,0.69,0.42,0.01,5.4,,,46,11,48,9.6,21,39,0.6,0,26,
> 10321000,1979-10-26,12.50,,42,6.8,610,11.00,8.9,1.20,,190,395,42.50,,259,230,42,0.81,0.49,0.0954,14,55,11,27,48,0.6,0,30,10.00,100.00,0,,,M
> ,,0.00,,< 3,,M ,,< 10,,0,,M M ,,0,,< 3,,0,
> .9,13,29,0.2,0,29,7.00,90.00,0,,,< 1,,0.00,,<
> 3,,10,,20,,0,,100,,0,,M ,,0,
>
> 10321000,1980-06-23,20.50,,2070,23.0,362,6.70,,59.00,,140,,1370.00,,,0.04,8.9,,,42,9.2,24,5.2,7.9,11,0.3,0,32,
> 10321000,1980-07-29,24.00,,203,11.0,427,8.10,8.2,5.70,,160,257,147.00,,180,230,0,0.63,0.5,0.0146,9.9,31,5.9,10,20,0.5,0,25,7.00,90.00,0,,,M
> ,,0.00,,< 3,,M ,,40,,M ,,200,,0,,10,,0,
>
> 10321000,1980-08-25,19.50,,49,11.0,545,9.20,7.7,1.40,,170,342,45.60,,216,260,0,1.4,1.1,0,10,,,50,12,47,8.2,20,40,0.8,0,26,
>
> 10321000,1980-09-30,17.00,,47,6.0,530,11.00,8.4,1.30,,170,336,40.00,,223,260,6,0.82,0.74,0,4.4,,,47,12,50,8.8,23,36,0.6,0,25,
> 10321000,1980-11-21,5.00,,108,9.5,518,12.20,8.5,3.10,,180,346,99.10,,190,220,8,0.6,0.46,0.0252,12,45,8.5,21,52,0.5,0,28,7.00,100.00,0,,,<
> 1,,0.00,,< 3,,M ,,10,,0,,100,,0,,< 3,,0,
> 10321000,1981-01-28,3.50,,127,14.0,510,12.00,8.7,3.60,,170,355,113.00,,240,270,19,,,0.0550,12,46,6.5,19,38,0.5,0,30,8.00,100.00,0,,,<
> 1,,0.00,,< 3,,0,,30,,M ,,200,,0,,10,,,

Re: [PLUG] Mate vs Gnome Classic with fixes

[Pete Lancashire]

Keith

I 200% feel the pain. It seems that Gnome, KDE et.al. have been infected by
the same virus that engulfs all of Redmond Washington.

But I can't really say its origin is from within the halls of Microsoft.

But I can say and believe it is predominantly a disease of American origin.
Some where out of the raised factories of what we call Detroit only in that
is was the epicenter of the American automobile industry

Everyone was brainwashed to believe you had to have something new every
year, be it an new car only because the amount of chrome went from 2 sq
feet to 3 sq feet, or the holes in the side went from 3 to 4 etc etc. Ditto
for appliances,
radios, and TVs

I Europe the consumer would ask very foreign questions like does the change
make it easier to use or does it make it safer (Volvo) or does it last
longer (Mercedes-Benz), or does it clean my clothes better .

Why upgrade to Window 10 from Window 7 .. its new is the only reason, Why
is Gnome 3 better, it has to be its is newer.

-pete sigh .. wonder if one can get CDE for Linux ?


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Keith Lofstrom 
wrote:

> I've been to busy to fool with Gnome 3 for a while, but I'm
> assembling my "I really HATE this, how do I fix it?" list.
>
> I do not appreciate strangers rearranging my desktop papers.
>
> When I first encountered Linux and Gnome, years ago, I fell
> in love with virtual desktops and Gnome Original - I use 20
> virtuals, populated with many interlocking projects, and on
> a 2048x1536 laptop screen it is like having a physical desk
> 40 feet wide that I can navigate with a mouseclick.  Wow.
>
> Gnome 3, Gnome Classic, and Cinnamon /all/ share the same
> arrogant feature - "all your edges are belong to us".  Move
> the mouse to the upper left corner (where a full screen CAD
> tool might be using the pixels) and bang, you are in the
> desktop pager.  Move an xterm to the top or the edge, and
> it resizes across the screen.  How do I turn that stupid
> f***ing c**p OFF and get a simple, passive desktop again?
>
> MATE is Gnome 2 - I can live with their silly renaming of
> all the apps.  I suppose they had to avoid collisions when
> the Gnome 3 wrecking crew plowed through the namespace.  But
> I worry that without the active support of the major distros
> they will fail.  I've already run into rendering problems on
> the MATE login screen with one graphic chipset.  My distro
> of choice is stable, staid Red Hat Enterprise Linux,
> Scientific Linux variant, and for some reason RHEL chose
> Gnome 3 Classic as their principal offering.  I expect
> Red Hat's customers are NOT updating to RHEL7 in droves.
>
> I can live with new names, or some changes to the paradigm.
> If I can make some incarnation of Gnome 3 leave the damned
> edges alone, and do only what I tell it to with keyboard and
> mouse clicks, I can relearn how to work, and live with it.
>
> Is this possible?   Otherwise, will MATE get enough support
> to endure for a decade or two?  Or will I be stuck with
> changing to M$Bob\Gnome 3 in the future, anyway?
>
> The head of the Gnome project recently asked me for help
> with an unrelated issue, and it took all my self control
> to remain silent and NOT RIP HIS F***ING HEAD OFF, never
> mind helping.  Even Miguel de Icaza, the originator of
> Gnome, is using Mac OSX now.  Does it take a cattle prod
> to wake these zombies up?
>
> To summarize - commit to MATE, or try to repair Gnome 3?
>
> Keith
>
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Re: [PLUG] gawk: modify field contents [UPDATE]

[Pete Lancashire]

Something to keep in mind, initially don't be afraid to make use of the "|"

cat data | sed  | awk | sed | awk | cut | sed | awk 

once you get the results you want you can decide if you want to a reduction
into fewer pipes.

another thing many look over is instead of doing ... | sed ''
| sed ' | ...

is ... | sed ';; ...' |  

for me if it ends up being more the around 3 or 4 levels deep I use sed -f

I'll toss another in is to watch out for is regex limitations known as BRE
or Basic Regular Expressions in grep and sed, and older or non gnu
variations of awk.

if you really feel adventurous is to replace your use of grep, sed and awk
with perl 'one-liners' but if your havn't ventured into the perl it is
quite a big step.







On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015, Rich Shepard wrote:
>
> >   I understand sub(), gsub(), and substr() but have difficulty figuring
> out
> > how to use any or all to modify a field's contents.
>
>The light clicked on last evening that awk is the wrong tool for this
> job.
> The appopriate one is sed. After careful re-reading of the sed portion of
> the 15-year-old ORA sed & awk book I thought of a set of sed commands that
> will do all the insertions and deletions required.
>
>Today I'll test until all cases are correctly handled. Will post the
> final
> sed script here for posterity.
>
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Re: [PLUG] egrep syntax correction

[Pete Lancashire]

AH ! .. that will do it :-)

I still keep forgetting there is the posix regexp's



On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jul 2015, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> > Just out of curiosity can I get a copy of the file, and what version of
> > grep are you using ?
>
> Pete,
>
>My error: I was looking at the wrong portion of the data file; the first
> character in the data section us U, not P. The uppercase P is how the codes
> are defined in the commented section.
>
> Mea culpa,
>
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Re: [PLUG] egrep syntax correction

[Pete Lancashire]

Rich,

Just out of curiosity can I get a copy of the file, and what version of
grep are you using ?

-pete

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jul 2015, Rich Shepard wrote:
>
> > station on the mainstem Humboldt River. The first 212 lines of the 851
> lines
> > in the file are comments; the 213th line is the header.
>
>Mis-remembered: It is the first 612 lines that are comments and the
> 613th
> line that contains column headers.
>
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Re: [PLUG] egrep syntax correction

[Pete Lancashire]

D**M I've got to stop using this F gmail and get back to basics

$ cat p | egrep -cE '^P[[:digit:]]{5}'
4



On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

>
> $ cat p
> P12345
> P123
> P12
> P1
> S1
> S12
> S123
> S1234
> S12345
> P1234
> P123456
> P1234z
> P12345a
> P12345abc
>
> $ cat p | egrep -ce '^P[[:digit:]]{5}'
> 4
>
> $ cat p | grep -ce '^P[[:digit:]]{5}'
> 0
>
> OH OH .. should be (upper case) E :-)
> $ cat p | grep -ce '^P[[:digit:]]{5}'
> 0
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>>
>> > don't forget to end the regexp stop with a non-digit if you dont
>> > P12345 will pass.
>>
>>There is content after the Pn; all I want is a count of the number
>> of
>> lines beginning with Pn.
>>
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Re: [PLUG] egrep syntax correction

[Pete Lancashire]

$ cat p
P12345
P123
P12
P1
S1
S12
S123
S1234
S12345
P1234
P123456
P1234z
P12345a
P12345abc

$ cat p | egrep -ce '^P[[:digit:]]{5}'
4

$ cat p | grep -ce '^P[[:digit:]]{5}'
0

OH OH .. should be (upper case) E :-)
$ cat p | grep -ce '^P[[:digit:]]{5}'
0





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> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> > don't forget to end the regexp stop with a non-digit if you dont
> > P12345 will pass.
>
>There is content after the Pn; all I want is a count of the number
> of
> lines beginning with Pn.
>
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Re: [PLUG] egrep syntax correction

[Pete Lancashire]

To HOT to think

don't forget to end the regexp stop with a non-digit if you dont
P12345 will pass.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> Don't use the back slash, and use single quotes to force all the
> expression to go to egrep directiy
>
> -pete happy HOT 4th
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>>I have an 851 line data file in which certain lines begin with P
>> followed
>> by 5 digits. I want to count the number of those lines. Despite reading
>> the
>> grep man page I am missing the correct syntax.
>>
>>The expression
>> egrep -cE "^P[[:digit:]]\{5\}" hrwq.dat
>> returns a count of zero (0). So do variations of options and search
>> strings.
>>
>>What have I missed here?
>>
>> Happy 4th, all,
>>
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Re: [PLUG] egrep syntax correction

[Pete Lancashire]

Don't use the back slash, and use single quotes to force all the expression
to go to egrep directiy

-pete happy HOT 4th

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>I have an 851 line data file in which certain lines begin with P
> followed
> by 5 digits. I want to count the number of those lines. Despite reading the
> grep man page I am missing the correct syntax.
>
>The expression
> egrep -cE "^P[[:digit:]]\{5\}" hrwq.dat
> returns a count of zero (0). So do variations of options and search
> strings.
>
>What have I missed here?
>
> Happy 4th, all,
>
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Re: [PLUG] Sound works for root, not for user

[Pete Lancashire]

Rich,

Give Google a shot "/dev/dsp missing"

I've not had this issue but 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>Last Monday, for the first time, my server/workstation suddenly locked
> up;
> no keyboard or mouse response. Hanged, not resting. So, I shut off the
> system, waited a few seconds, powered on again. Got everything running
> again
> ... except for sound.
>
>Alsamixer uses the correct sound card. Alsactrl init did nothing.
>
>When I try to play an .mp3 file with xmms I get this error:
>
> ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such
> ** file or directory
>
>mplayer also fails to produce sound: audio_setup: Can't open audio
> device
> /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
> Failed to initialize audio driver 'oss'
>
>There is no /dev/dsp or /dev/sound
>
>aplay -l finds the sound card.
>
>Web searches found no solution that worked because /dev/dsp does not
> exist
> on Slackware-14.1 until needed.
>
>However, root has no issue playing a .mp3 file with xmms, but produces
> the
> same mplayer error.
>
>What might I have missed here? Past reboots did not cripple the sound
> system as long as I turned up the volumn in alsamixer.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Intel Now Largest Linux Corporate Supporter

[Pete Lancashire]

Interesting how low Google is
On Feb 18, 2015 10:46 AM, "glen e. p. ropella" 
wrote:

> On 02/18/2015 10:00 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > Here's the Oregonian/OregonLive article:
> > <
> http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/02/intel_now_no_1_sponsor_of_linu.html#incart_river
> >
>
> I'm glad "None" is still at the top.
>
> 
> None 11968   12.4%
> Intel10108   10.5%
> Red Hat   8078   8.4%
> Linaro5415   5.6%
> Samsung   4290   4.4%
> Unknown   3842   4.0%
> IBM   3081   3.2%
> SUSE  2890   3.0%
> Consultants   2451   2.5%
> Texas Instruments 2269   2.4%
> Vision Engraving Systems  2089   2.2%
> Google2048   2.1%
> Renesas Electronics   2004   2.1%
> Freescale 1690   1.8%
> Free Electrons1463   1.5%
> FOSS Outreach Program for Women   1418   1.5%
> Oracle1166   1.2%
> AMD   1109   1.1%
> NVidia1078   1.1%
> Broadcom  1001   1.0%
> Huawei Technologies971   1.0%
> ARM788   0.8%
> Pengutronix763   0.8%
> Cisco  723   0.7%
> Qualcomm   679   0.7%
> Fujitsu672   0.7%
> Linux Foundation   627   0.6%
> Imagination Technologies   579   0.6%
> QLogic 545   0.6%
> Ingics Technology  526   0.5%
>
> Sum 79.0%
> 
>
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Re: [PLUG] ssh public/private key login authentication?

[Pete Lancashire]

If your granting him limited access lock him from going outside his home
directory tree. Enable auditing, look at the logs from time to time. Recent
versions of sshd can restrict to a IP/range. A few to.start with.
On Jul 4, 2014 6:35 PM, "Keith Lofstrom"  wrote:

> Question?
>
> Without getting into incompetence, impersonation,
> man-in-the-middle, drugs and pipe wrenches ...
>
> I have a friend in another state who I want to give ssh access
> to on one of my machines.  If I understand ssh key exchange,
>
>  1) he makes a private/public key pair for openssh
>1a) using a recent Linux, of course
>  2) he sends me the public key over the unencrypted internet
>  3) I put it in the .ssh/authorized_keys2 in his user directory
>
> ... and we are probably good to go, yes?  Not perfect security,
> but enough, I hope, to irritate a typical national spy agency.
>
> If necessary, we can escalate the complexity of the transfer,
> (key encoded in carrier pigeon DNA - sequence DNA, eat bird)
> but complication is insecure in its own way.
>
> Keith
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[PLUG] CoreOS

[Pete Lancashire]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/23/google_loads_coreos_onto_its_cloud/
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Re: [PLUG] Need a new laptop

[Pete Lancashire]

the X200 look like a nice box. thanks

I have also been looking for something to do just the basics on.

-pete


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I run Ubuntu on a Thinkpad X200, I whooped it up with 8g of
> ram and a 500G HD. I have compiz on it so I can run several
> desktops on the cube, the parts can be found all over the
> place and it is fast enough to run a virtual machine of Win7
> (I have run Win 7 on the bare metal and in the VM, it runs
> better in the VM, Linux hides the hardware from it making
> it reasonably nice to run in that environment. I have the
> large battery pack, but I have never run it to "Ack I am
> dying, do something ! so I can not say how long it will
> run, but I have run it on several flights of 4 hours and still
> had battery left for more.
>
> The one I am doing this on I picked up for $165 on Ebay.
> great box and it is 64b processor.
>
> The one I have at home has the Arduino software on it,
> I have run it a couple of times and talked to the Arduino
> so I know it works, but I have not had a chance to set
> down and really start hacking on it.
>
> But I am quite happy with the X200, built like a battle
> ship and really take a lot.
>
> The only thing I have had to replace on one is the CPU
> fan or cooling unit, and I think I found one on EBay for
> less than $30.00
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Daniel Petre  >wrote:
>
> >
> > On 08 May 2014, at 18:58, 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Pluggers,
> > >
> > > I find myself suddenly in need of a new laptop.  My requirements are:
> > > - Runs Linux well (including Wi-Fi)
> > > - Light weight - my current netbook is 3 pounds
> > > - Long battery life (8-10 hours)
> > >
> > > I don't need much horsepower.  I just need to take notes, browse the
> web,
> > > and run OpenVPN occasionally.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any recommendations for systems I should consider, or
> > ones
> > > I should nix?
> >
> > Hi, i run Manjaro Linux very well on a IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad,
> > it’s a x201 12” lightweight laptop (i5 at 2.5 ghz, 8 gb ram, ssd).
> >
> > You can find very cheap thinkpads on ebay with core2duo processors that
> > run linux very well:
> > x60,x61,t60,t61..
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > -Brian
> > >
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> > > UNIX & Linux System Administration, Training, and Programming
> > > Telephone:  503 617-4500
> > > E-mail: br...@martinconsulting.com
> > > Web-site:   www.martinconsulting.com
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[PLUG] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

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Re: [PLUG] SD cards that enable wifi

[Pete Lancashire]

I have one for my digital camera Wifi PRO X2 from these guys
http://www.eye.fi/

Have  not used in a year or so, it is currently in the lost category.

When I got it there was quite a bit of Linux hacking with it, not sure
where things are at now days.

And when I got it there other ones were not available.

As far as the Wi-Fi part, getting the signal out of my camera was 'ok'. By
OK I could get a lock when the camera was about
5 feet away. I think the only thing that
saved the day was the door that covers the SD CARD and Battery was plastic.
vs. metal or nickel
sprayed.







On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:43 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> I understand they exist. I have a medical device that has an SD card.
> Currently to view the data I must schlep the SD card back and forth
> from the device to my computer every day. If I could replace the SD
> card in the device with a wifi-SD card, I could just access the data
> over the wireless network. Has anyone used one of these cards?
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Re: [PLUG] Finding RHCSA jobs

[Pete Lancashire]

This should be moved to plug-jobs so this is all I'll say here

www.indeed.com is what I use for broad general searches

if your just getting into the admin world add plug-jobs

There's others  places but these will get you started

As far as Temp Agencies and just about any other job outfit  (I call the
Pimps) they take a big slice out of what you get paid. Do everything you
can to avoid them

If you see a position from one of them do everything you can to find out
who the job is far ... and .. well this belongs in plug-jobs ...

-pete


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Tyrell Jentink  wrote:

> On Friday, I took and passed my RHCSA exam; I intend to take RHCE as soon
> as a session becomes available... but I'm not sure when that's going to be.
> Still, I am on a quest for a job... I have over a decade of experience
> administering my own network, and I'm feeling antsy to start getting paid
> for it ;)
>
> Does anyone have any hints on where to look for Linux jobs in and around
> Portland? Are there any temp agencies that are known to have Linux
> positions, or any companies known to have openings?
>
> Anything helps at this point, so throw me any leads you might have!
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] OR Secretary of State site hacked

[Pete Lancashire]

It has been that way for quite a while


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:54 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> Just now I went to filinginoregon.com/renew in order to renew a
> business registration. Instead I got:
>
> http://sos.oregon.gov/Pages/outage-notice.aspx
>
> My renewal isn't due for a long time yet, and I have never created any
> passworded accounts with them, so no big deal for me.
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Re: [PLUG] just what will happen if you su; cd; rm -rf * ?

[Pete Lancashire]

quora

sign up with google account

this app would like to manage your contacts 

nice ...

-pete


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote:

> Stories to read:
>
> http://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-I-go-the-root-directory-in-Linux-Mac-and-type-the-command-rm-rf-forcibly-remove-all-directories-and-subdirectories
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Re: [PLUG] Using a SSD

[Pete Lancashire]

What's the chances of two SSD's ?

Today I pretty much do a RAID mirror by default.

My call keep swap off the SSD, it may be faster but keeping writes down is
important.

My 39 Cents

-pete


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

>I'm finishing (finally) assembly of a new server/workstation. It has a
> 60G SSD drive as /dev/sda and a 750G mechanical hard drive as /dev/sdb. I'm
> collecting opinions on what partitions to mount on the SSD. So far I've
> received a few on linuxquestions.org and would like the thoughts of folks
> here.
>
>The current partioning (which I've used for years) is:
>
> /dev/sda3swap
> /dev/sda1/
> /dev/sda2/boot
> /dev/sda5/home
> /dev/sda6/usr
> /dev/sda7/opt
> /dev/sda8/var
> /dev/sda9/tmp
>
>Having multiple partitions should (still) allow quicker access.
>
>A couple of folks on LQ suggested putting / and swap on the SSD. The
> Arch
> Linux wiki advises keeping /tmp on a mechanical drive to reduce writes.
> /home, /opt, /var can also be expected to have a lot of writes and a lot of
> small files.
>
>I'm thinking of removing /boot as a separate partition and putting /,
> swap, and /usr on the SSD. I am, of course, open to suggestions. And I do
> need to learn about TRIM on ext4 (or one of the other file systems that
> support it).
>
>All this after I get the current network running properly again.
>
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[PLUG] Anyone have a couple 30 Pin SIMMs ...

[Pete Lancashire]

4 MB (remember Megabytes for memory ?), Parity, 70 nS

-pete
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Re: [PLUG] Mother board with 'lots of PCI'

[Pete Lancashire]

It looks like what I need is a MB from about 6-7 years ago :-(

The curse of a product life cycle of < 1 year

-pete

On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Galen Seitz  wrote:
> On 03/23/13 09:10, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>> Any suggestions for a MB that (still) has more the 4 or 5 PCI connectors ?
>>
>> Has to be dual bootable, XPSP3+Linux
>>
>> SATA for at lest 2 disks
>>
>> Optionally a built in 1 Gbs NIC and Firewire
>>
>> And a preference for AMD
>>
>> Other then that does not have to be a screamer, 1 Ghz would be just fine
>>
>> Use is for one or two PC's for gathering data, NI GPIB, and up to 3 NI
>> Data acquisition/output cards.
>
>
> Perhaps you saw this already, but a Newegg search shows a single
> motherboard with > 3 PCI slots.  It has 5 PCI slots.
> ASUS P8B-C/4L
>
> I doubt you'll find a motherboard with Firewire and many PCI slots.
> Firewire is more common on consumer motherboards, while lots of PCI
> slots is more of a server motherboard feature.
>
> Tyan and Supermicro have products with many PCI slots, but they may be
> unavailable at this point.
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/matrix/index.cfm
> http://www.tyan.com/tech/product_matrix.aspx
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[PLUG] Mother board with 'lots of PCI'

[Pete Lancashire]

Any suggestions for a MB that (still) has more the 4 or 5 PCI connectors ?

Has to be dual bootable, XPSP3+Linux

SATA for at lest 2 disks

Optionally a built in 1 Gbs NIC and Firewire

And a preference for AMD

Other then that does not have to be a screamer, 1 Ghz would be just fine

Use is for one or two PC's for gathering data, NI GPIB, and up to 3 NI
Data acquisition/output cards.

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Re: [PLUG] Simple/cheap linux-based 2000ft wireless internet bridge?

[Pete Lancashire]

If you can see line of site I'd go with a couple 2400 MHz Loco's I've
done 3 installs
and have no complaints. The only thing I have done is put a
polyethylene cover over
the units.

The only issue I can think of is when a boat goes by. If you put them
10-15 feet up
that should take care of the little pleasure craft. But would only do
that if there is
something else to attract lightning.

-pete

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Russell Senior
 wrote:
>> "Noj" == Noj   writes:
>
> Noj> My friend lives on the river. On one side is a house that can't
> Noj> get cable internet, and lost even basic wired phone service
> Noj> (barely worked for years, went out completely for area during a
> Noj> flood). My friend has been getting by on a cellular data widget,
> Noj> but it's only good for email and service is flaky. 2000ft away
> Noj> across the river is another friend's house and business, with
> Noj> wicked-fast unlimited internet.
>
> Noj> I'd like to think a pair of linux raspberry pi's with the right
> Noj> config, maybe tied to a pair of alfa usb-wifi devices with
> Noj> directional antennas could make this perpetual run-around with
> Noj> the lack-of-service-providers go away and bring the modern world
> Noj> to the river house, but I'm only passingly familiar with the
> Noj> elements involved.
>
> Noj> Is this a viable start? Am I even looking at the right gear? Is
> Noj> there any simpler way to make a rock-solid internet bridge?
>
> Noj> Ideally the setup would be to just a pair of headless boxes, plug
> Noj> in power and ethernet on both ends, and have it act as a long
> Noj> cable, letting the desktop computer on one end get DHCP service
> Noj> from existing router at other end.
>
> Noj> I happen to have a pair of unused pi's, anything else I would
> Noj> have to buy anyway, I'm wide open to any suggestions if you have
> Noj> experience doing this kind of function with different gear.
>
> Raspberry pi's don't have wifi.  Get two ubiquiti nanostation m2hp's,
> or a couple bullet m2hp's with directional antennas.  Point them at
> each other.  That's assuming you have line-of-sight.  If there are any
> obstacles, you can use loco m9's, which cut through better at 900 MHz.
>
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[PLUG] why not Ubuntu 12 ?

[Pete Lancashire]

I'm setting up a PC for someone who is pretty computer illiterate,
almost all Windoz. The PC will be the focal point for selling online.
Initially EBay and eventually a hosted 'shopping cart'

Input will be a couple camera's, scanner, etc.

Output will be a old LJ5M and over time a thermal label printer.

My Linux background has been 99% Fedora. For me it does what I want,
and over 50% of the time I live in a basic xterm world.

I'm considering Ubuntu 12.04 for this PC and looking for comments
issues etc. I'm not interested in religious or pie-in-the-sky, or
similar thoughs. Instead things like issues with printing UPS shipping
labels.

-pete

BTW I've been looking at Zen-Cart .. anyone had a bad experience with it ?
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Re: [PLUG] perl question

[Pete Lancashire]

I figured it out

$item2save{'cpu01'}  = IO::File->new("> cpu01.out");
$item2save{'cpu02'}  = IO::File->new("> cpu02.out");
$item2save{'cpu03'}  = IO::File->new("> cpu03.out");
...

print { $item2save{ $itemfound } } 

where $itemfound can have the values that match the keys in the
%item2save hash ...

sorry to bug the list

-pete


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Benjamin Foote  wrote:
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> use strict;
> use warnings;
>
> my $logfile = $ARGV[0];
>
> open (LOG, $logfile) or die "can't open $logfile: " . $!;
>
> while (my $line = ) {
>   chomp($line);
>   my @cols = split /\s+/, $line;
>   my $cpufile = shift @cols;
>   open (OUT, ">> " . $file") or die "can't open $cpufile: " . $!;
>   print OUT join " ", @cols;
>   close OUT;
> }
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Pete Lancashire 
> wrote:
>
>> my brain this morning is blocked on this one
>>
>> I have a data file
>>
>> cpu01  value value value
>> cpu02  value value value
>> cpu03  value value value
>> ...
>> cpu01  value value value
>> cpu02  value value value
>> cpu03  value value value
>> ...
>> cpu01  value value value
>> cpu02  value value value
>> cpu03  value value value
>> ...
>>
>> column 1 can be cpu\d+ and cpu_all
>>
>> I want to open files for writing, one for each unique value in the first
>> column.
>> so that if the value f the data in the first column is "cpu01" then
>> write to the file
>> with the FH of $cpu01
>>
>> This has to be simple ...
>>
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[PLUG] perl question

[Pete Lancashire]

my brain this morning is blocked on this one

I have a data file

cpu01  value value value
cpu02  value value value
cpu03  value value value
...
cpu01  value value value
cpu02  value value value
cpu03  value value value
...
cpu01  value value value
cpu02  value value value
cpu03  value value value
...

column 1 can be cpu\d+ and cpu_all

I want to open files for writing, one for each unique value in the first column.
so that if the value f the data in the first column is "cpu01" then
write to the file
with the FH of $cpu01

This has to be simple ...

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Re: [PLUG] Tiny "desktop" computers

[Pete Lancashire]

cool, i'm looking at the models via newegg right now

-pete

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2011, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
>> Do you you remember which model ?
>
> pete,
>
>   The manual has "ION-TOP Series" but there's no model number or name that I
> can find.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Tiny "desktop" computers

[Pete Lancashire]

Rich,

Do you you remember which model ?

-pete

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2011, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
>
>> Has anybody seen something better, or at least worth looking at?
>
> Keith,
>
>   Don't know. I have a Jetway ION-TOP. It has an Intel Atom CPU,
> accommodates up to 4G RAM, Realtek 8111DL Gigabit Ethernet chip, 4 SATA2
> internally and 1 externally, 4 external USB2 ports, etc. Comes with a power
> block on the cord and ... ta da! ... a remote control.
>
>   I'm loading Slackware-13.37/64-bit on it and want to make it into a web
> and ftp server.
>
>   Bought it from Newegg.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Recommendations for 3 TB USB 3.0 external drive

[Pete Lancashire]

and like any single drive 'system' where you only have you data on
that drive, consider getting two

and like others have said, wait till our spring time.


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> I just started shopping. Does anyone have any recommendations? Any
> gotchas to watch out for?
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Re: [PLUG] Off Topic: Victor is looking for a silent "no light" programmable thermostat

[Pete Lancashire]

At least it does not have a pin point size blue super bright LED that
one can see
from 100' away 

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Mark Phillips
 wrote:
> Victor,
>
> I suggest you go to your local ACE, Home Depot, or Lowes, and talk to the
> folks there about the type of thermostat you want. Honeywell makes lots of
> different models at different price points. I have two Honeywell digital
> thermostats, and they do not flash or clickthey replaced my old manual
> thermostats. Replacing the thermostat is pretty easy - just three wires
> that should be color coded - all you need is a screw driver. Be sure to
> tell the sales guys you have gas heat.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Victor Soich  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am writing to this group because I figure there must be a subset of
>> linux people that are sensitive to extraneous noises and lights, like LEDs
>> on high tech equipment.  Furthermore, by virtue of the fact that you're
>> into
>> linux, you may be a bit of a hacker, or have figured out the solution to my
>> quandary, or know of the product I'm looking for.
>>
>> I recently switched from oil heat to gas heat.  I now have a fancy
>> shmantzy digital programmable thermostat.
>> It makes a popping and clicking sound whenever the heater changes
>> state.  It also lights up whenever the heater
>> changes state.  I don't want it to do these things.  My old analog
>> thermostat just sat there and never made
>> any noise or generated any light.  However, it is not programmable.
>>
>> I would like a programmable thermostat that is silent, and does not
>> light up, and does
>> not make any noise when the heater changes state.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Victor Soich
>>
>> The following goes into detail regarding my concerns and issues with
>> my current programmable thermostat.
>>
>> I wrote to technical support of Rheem describing two issues of the
>> Rheem thermostat.  It lights up at inappropriate times, and makes a
>> loud clicking noise.  Perhaps they will have a quick fix to
>> the problem.  The following is what I wrote
>>
>>
>>
>> I am the consumer of the product, not the contractor.  I will be
>> registering my product very soon.  The product is a nice snazzy
>> digital thermostat with a decent liquid crystal display, but there are
>> two problems that I hope you can address.  Otherwise, I am really
>> going to miss my old analog thermostat because it didn't make noise or
>> light up at inappropriate times.
>>
>> The thermostat is within view of my sight while I watch TV in the
>> living room, and occasionally fall asleep on the couch in the living
>> room.  Unfortunately, the thermostat LCD screen lights up momentarily,
>> and the thermostat makes some sort of clicking sound when a change of
>> state occurs in the heating system.  I can't stand the light coming
>> on, and I can't stand the click sound sounding when I'm not the one
>> prompting it.  It startles me when I'm watching TV or falling asleep
>> on the couch in the dark.  I don't like the thermostat "announcing" to
>> the world that the heater is doing something by lighting up
>> momentarily and making a clicking sound.  That is why I like the old
>> analog thermostat.  It did its job without having to indicate to the
>> world at large that it was doing something.  Is there a way to disable
>> the light from coming on and the clicking sound from happening
>> automatically when the heating system changes state?  I hope so,
>> otherwise a snazzy new programmable 100 dollar plus thermostat is
>> worse than the old technology of an analog thermostat.
>>
>> I read the manual for the thermostat, and I figured out how to keep
>> the LCD thermostat from ever lighting up.  You do this by going into
>> the INSTALLER/CONFIGURATION MENU to MENU REF 10, and Select Display
>> Light to L OFF.  While this has the virtue of keeping the LCD light
>> from flashing on at inappropriate times, like when I'm watching TV in
>> the dark, or sleeping on the couch, it still does not prevent the
>> clicking sound from happening.  Another drawback of turning the
>> Display Light to L OFF is that when I do need it on, it won't come on
>> unless I go through the INSTALLER/CONFIGURATION MENU and set the
>> Display Light to L(On).  This is too much of a rigmarole.
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Re: [PLUG] Solaris Uptime

[Pete Lancashire]

In a past life (Solaris vs AIX admin) I had a couple servers with over
1,000 days uptime and no issues.

I would now but one has to keep the uSofties happy, I reboot most
every 100-150 days.

-pete

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> All,
>
> We're working an issue with extreme latency on one of our application
> servers. The lead tech, who hasn't established much credibility, keeps
> saying he wants to bounce the Sun Solaris servers, as they have been up for
> 169 days. He feels that may be the cause of the issue. I highly doubt it as
> the System Administrators are saying that resources are available for the
> application. What's the recommended reboot cycle for Sun Solaris servers?
>
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Re: [PLUG] Group Meeting Sites?

[Pete Lancashire]

Give this place a call

Round Table Pizza
 10150 SW Beaverton Hillsdale
 Beaverton, OR 97005-3203
 phone: 503-646-6168

Some of the TERAC http://terac.org/?page_id=2 members has a Friday
night get together.
They have a walled in meeting room. Don't think they charge. They also
use a couple places
for their main meeting that are free. if you email someone on the
website thy can give you details.

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>   The local R users group is seeking a venue for our monthly meetings (up to
> a dozen or so people) that is available for no cost, has projector
> capabilities, and good acoustics. I know the advanced topics group has gone
> through this exercise and would like to learn from your experiences.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
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[PLUG] RIP - Dennis Ritchie

[Pete Lancashire]

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/10/dennis-ritchie/
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Re: [PLUG] HP all-in-one printer issue

[Pete Lancashire]

dont have system with printer where Im at but something like this

in cron run script once a day

check the timestamp on a file, if older then 7 days lpr the squirt
file to the printer
touch the file

the test file is a zero length file in /var, the squirt file is HP
code to print four rectangles
high enough to ensure all nozzles are being used. I used something like gimp to
create them. Made the height just enough to where it took two passes
of the print head.

Their width was like 1/10 inch or something like that





On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, wes  wrote:
> you could always put the activity-page back in the feed tray whenever you
> see it in the output tray.
>
> I really like this idea. any chance you would be willing to share your
> script?
>
> -wes
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Pete Lancashire 
> wrote:
>
>> Any inkjet is not going to like going for a long time without
>> printing. BTW a 970 is
>> a great work horse, and comes apart so one can clean the 'drip pan'. I have
>> two
>> of them.
>>
>> I have a little init job that checks to see if the printer has done
>> anything i a week and
>> if not prints a little test line of a few vertical bars. That took
>> care of the clogging sadly
>> at the expense of paper.
>>
>> Before that a little soak on a wet paper towel for a couple minutes
>> always fixed things
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Denis Heidtmann
>>  wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Keith Lofstrom 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 09:40:01AM -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>> >> > > Thanks  for all the replies.  The printer is sitting not connected
>> to
>> >> any
>> >> > computer.  It goes through the alignment test, where the carriage
>> moves
>> >> > across the paper and a light shines down.  I assume that this is
>> locating
>> >> > the paper edge.  It then goes back and forth a couple of times, then
>> >> > abruptly changes to self-test.  After 10 or 20 more seconds it changes
>> >> > to Initializing, ejects the paper, then goes back to the alignment
>> test
>> >> with
>> >> > a request for loading paper.  No ink appears on the paper.  This
>> endless
>> >> > loop gives me no opportunity to try anything other than power-off.
>>  This
>> >> > leads me to discount computer drivers, etc. as the issue.
>> >>
>> >> This is surprisingly like the behavior of my HP2605 color
>> >> laserjet after we moved.
>> >>
>> >> The BIG MISTAKE was moving it with the toner cartridges in it.
>> >> ( Three moves equals one fire, as the saying goes, things get
>> >> broken and lost in the chaos of moving ).  The second mistake
>> >> was using a refurb toner cartridge from Office Max, which
>> >> spewed little grains of red toner everywhere.
>> >>
>> >> Most importantly, a grain got into an optical calibration path,
>> >> a pair of millimeter-diameter holes running through one of the
>> >> plastic assemblies to an LED and a phototransistor.  IIRC, my
>> >> laser printer has four of these, and uses them to detect paper
>> >> size and make tiny dots on the paper, which are measured to
>> >> precisely align the colors.
>> >>
>> >> I am insane, so I took it apart down to the hundreds of pieces
>> >> level ( color laser printers are complicated ), cleaned
>> >> everything, and got it working again.
>> >>
>> >> Before cleaning the holes, the printer would calibrate repeatedly,
>> >> then give up, with the colors misaligned by 5mm.  After cleaning,
>> >> it is lined up within a hairwidth.
>> >>
>> >> I doubt there are as many sensors on a cheap inkjet, but optical
>> >> sensors are easier than switches, so HP may be using the same
>> >> trick (and have the same vulnerabilities).  If the former owner
>> >> has dust or shedding cats, then the blockage may be something
>> >> besides dried ink in a cartridge.
>> >>
>> >> Consider asking free geek if they will loan or sell you some
>> >> partly used cartridges for this beast, for testing.
>> >>
>> >> But first you may want to do a deep cleaning.   Cut-apart egg
>> >> cartons double-stickied onto a board can hold all the little
>> >> fiddly bits.  These compartments correspond with notes

Re: [PLUG] HP all-in-one printer issue

[Pete Lancashire]

Any inkjet is not going to like going for a long time without
printing. BTW a 970 is
a great work horse, and comes apart so one can clean the 'drip pan'. I have two
of them.

I have a little init job that checks to see if the printer has done
anything i a week and
if not prints a little test line of a few vertical bars. That took
care of the clogging sadly
at the expense of paper.

Before that a little soak on a wet paper towel for a couple minutes
always fixed things





On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Denis Heidtmann
 wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Keith Lofstrom  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 09:40:01AM -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>> > > Thanks  for all the replies.  The printer is sitting not connected to
>> any
>> > computer.  It goes through the alignment test, where the carriage moves
>> > across the paper and a light shines down.  I assume that this is locating
>> > the paper edge.  It then goes back and forth a couple of times, then
>> > abruptly changes to self-test.  After 10 or 20 more seconds it changes
>> > to Initializing, ejects the paper, then goes back to the alignment test
>> with
>> > a request for loading paper.  No ink appears on the paper.  This endless
>> > loop gives me no opportunity to try anything other than power-off.  This
>> > leads me to discount computer drivers, etc. as the issue.
>>
>> This is surprisingly like the behavior of my HP2605 color
>> laserjet after we moved.
>>
>> The BIG MISTAKE was moving it with the toner cartridges in it.
>> ( Three moves equals one fire, as the saying goes, things get
>> broken and lost in the chaos of moving ).  The second mistake
>> was using a refurb toner cartridge from Office Max, which
>> spewed little grains of red toner everywhere.
>>
>> Most importantly, a grain got into an optical calibration path,
>> a pair of millimeter-diameter holes running through one of the
>> plastic assemblies to an LED and a phototransistor.  IIRC, my
>> laser printer has four of these, and uses them to detect paper
>> size and make tiny dots on the paper, which are measured to
>> precisely align the colors.
>>
>> I am insane, so I took it apart down to the hundreds of pieces
>> level ( color laser printers are complicated ), cleaned
>> everything, and got it working again.
>>
>> Before cleaning the holes, the printer would calibrate repeatedly,
>> then give up, with the colors misaligned by 5mm.  After cleaning,
>> it is lined up within a hairwidth.
>>
>> I doubt there are as many sensors on a cheap inkjet, but optical
>> sensors are easier than switches, so HP may be using the same
>> trick (and have the same vulnerabilities).  If the former owner
>> has dust or shedding cats, then the blockage may be something
>> besides dried ink in a cartridge.
>>
>> Consider asking free geek if they will loan or sell you some
>> partly used cartridges for this beast, for testing.
>>
>> But first you may want to do a deep cleaning.   Cut-apart egg
>> cartons double-stickied onto a board can hold all the little
>> fiddly bits.  These compartments correspond with notes in a
>> notebook.  HP sometimes has detailed service manuals.  I've
>> considered making many digital photos during disassembly,
>> but so far sketches in a repair notebook have been adequate.
>>
>> Keith
>
>
> Interesting.  The Free Geek idea is worth a try.  Taking this thing apart
> with the idea of getting it back together is a daunting prospect.  I used to
> be very clever at such tasks, but my short-term memory is getting too short,
> so I would need a video with instant replay to make a success of the
> project.  The lack of ink on the paper puts plugged cartridges high on the
> list.
>
> A related question (if this printer never gets resuscitated) is what color
> printers are on the recommended list?  As a measure of our usage rate, we go
> through cartridges on our present Deskjet 970 at the rate of one of each
> type every 1 1/2 years.  A pair of cartridges costs about $67.  A combo
> scanner-printer would be nice.  Copy and Fax would likely not be used much,
> if at all.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Good PDF Editor

[Pete Lancashire]

ditto on the xournal .. nice little app

-pete

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Mike Connors  wrote:
> @Mark - Ah, thanks for the info.
>
> @John - Yes, xournal works quickly and easily!
>
> It's so great not to have to go frantically searching for a way to enter
> simple text into a pdf now. :-)
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Mark Phillips
> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Scribus does not import pdf files. What you do, is start with a new
>> document, then click on the graphic icon to add an image to the document.
>> Drag the graphic icon to the document, expand it. Then right click on it
>> and
>> add the pdf file to the graphic window. Expand the window to fit the page,
>> then add text boxes as needed.
>>
>> However, I just tried xournal, and it will open the pdf and is even easier
>> to use.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Scanner For Color Photographs?

[Pete Lancashire]

largest size ?

-pete

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> On Sat, May 07, 2011 at 12:20:44PM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
>>    Can anyone here recommend a scanner for color photographic prints that
>> doesn't cost a fortune? This would be for archival purposes, not printing at
>> high resolution.
>
> HP Multifunction printers do up to 8.5x11.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Alternative to using split / cat for FTPing large file to remote location?

[Pete Lancashire]

Give rsync a try. If you don't want the overhead of SSL I believe you
can still have rsync use the
r commands for the transfer. Can't remember been a long time.

Rsync options can also take care of the file's deletion when
successfully transfered. As a success
check may want to look at the option for rsync to use a checksum vs
just the filesize.

A question tho' does each file have a unique name ? If not after 30
seconds a reattempt could
delete the previous file.

-pete



On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Tom Sharples  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We're building a wireless 3G IP camera system that will FTP a large
> (2.5Mbyte) 10 megapixel jpeg image every 30 minutes to a remote server, for
> use in a time-lapse image application. Using a cron job, we pull the image
> from the attached IP cam via curl http:///img.jpg
>  >/tmp/image.jpg, and then FTP it to the remote server. This works fine when
> the 3G connection is working well (around 300-400K upload bandwidth). But
> when the 3G connection slows to a crawl, which happens multiple time each
> day, the FTP transfer hangs or times out.
>
> I tested a script that uses split to divide the 2.5Mbyte image into smaller
> 50k chunks, which are individually ftp'd, then reassembled at the server
> using cat. This works but will require a fair amount of experimentation and
> additional code to make it reasonably robust to deal with missing files,
> slowdowns, timeouts, retries, etc. etc. My question - is there a better
> apporoach or code out there (for a bare-bones slack 2.4.23 environment) that
> would automate this process and reliably handle the transfer of the large
> file to the remote server under erratic bandwidth conditions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom S.
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Re: [PLUG] AIX gurus

[Pete Lancashire]

without getting into details F6 will give you the command the smit
will run when you hit  aka 'doit'
unfortunatly sometimes it is a ksh script. More details can be found
after you run the smitty command
in /smit.log and /smit.transaction (may be transactions.

90% of the systems config is kept in what is called the ODM database.
do a man page on odmget
or hit IBM's website.

-pete Stuck with AIX since 1995

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> Any AIX gurus here?
>
> I'm looking to get info on what files SMIT updates when changing things
> like maxpout and minpout on AIX 6. I know it depends on what values are
> getting changed, but any doc on the web or directories to look through
> would be a great help.
>
> thanks,
>
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Re: [PLUG] An awk-ward Question

[Pete Lancashire]

Just to make user, your example is 3 lines ?

give an example of what you want the output to be for the first data
line in your example

the reason I ask is in your sample the data is colon sep'ed.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
>   I have a text file whose rows are formatted like this:
>
> BC-2:2009-02-15:Flow:150.00:ft/sec:Temperature (field):7.40:oF:Conductance,
> Specific:2058.00:umhos/cm:pH:7.40:Std Units
> BC-2:2009-05-15:Flow::ft/sec:Temperature (field):10.10:oF:Conductance,
> Specific:1224.00:umhos/cm:pH:8.14:Std Units
> BC-3:2009-02-15:Flow:326.00:ft/sec:Temperature (field):7.80:oF:Conductance,
> Specific:576.50:umhos/cm:pH:7.40:Std Units
>
> and I need to have them split into multiple rows. Each row would have field
> #1, a colon separator, field #2, a colon separator, then the parameter name,
> measured value, and units. A job for awk!
>
>   Unfortunately, despite my referring to the ORA sed & awk book, my attempts
> to write a one-line script that uses a newline '\n' to split the lines
> throws an error. The script:
>
> # This script takes spreadsheet exports from single lines per location/data to
> # one line per location, date, and parameter.
>
> FS=":"
>
> {print 
> $1':'$2':'$3':'$4':'$5\n$1':'$2':'$6':'$7':'$8\n$1':'$2':'$9':'$10':'$11\n$1':'$2':'$12':'$13':'$14}
>
> produces this error message:
>
> awk: reform.awk:6: {print
> $1':'$2':'$3':'$4':'$5\n$1':'$2':'$6':'$7':'$8\n$1':'$2':'$9':'$10':'$11\n$1':'$2':'$12':'$13':'$14}
> awk: reform.awk:6:          ^ invalid char ''' in expression
>
>   I'm sure the caret will be mis-aligned when you read this.
>
>   Please tell me what I've missed.
>
> Rich
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[PLUG] Linux and VXI

[Pete Lancashire]

Before asking world wide

I may soon have a VXI based instrument to play with. Anyone locally
have experience with
running Linux on a VXI CPU, and or know what choices are there for
using Linux vs the dreaded  Windoz ?

CPUs that are affordable are x86, 68000, and Sparc based.

The VXI interface/API would be the show stopper.

My interest would be replace having to use GPIB via a GPIB/VXI bridge
with Ethernet.

For those asking what the heck VIX is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VXI

-pete

PS anyone have a VXI C chassis or CPU they want to sell/trade/dispose ?
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Re: [PLUG] Radeon HD5450 PCI-E card broken...

[Pete Lancashire]

in the past I extracted the conf file from the rpm

-pete

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Dale Snell  wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:00:16 -0800
> "Michael C. Robinson"  wrote:
>
> =%<- snip! ->%=
>
>> The card has been removed and I am trying to use the
>> motherboard's onboard vga adapter.  How do I undo the damage
>> that installing the catalyst driver wreaks on the relevant open
>> source free packages? I've run the proprietary uninstall
>> command, but I doubt that that fixed all issues.  I'm planning
>> on sending the card out for warranty repair, but in the mean
>> time being stuck at 1024x768 I would at least like to be able
>> to play some of my old games that still work at this low
>> resolution.
>>
>> I'm on a Fedora 14 64 bit system.  I have an Athlon II 635 64
>> bit quad core processor.  The mobo is an MSI 785GM-P45.
>
> =%<- snip! ->%=
>
> The first thing I'd try is to rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf to
> xorg.conf.orig, or something like that, then restart X.  This will
> let X generate a new config if it needs one, which it may not.  If
> that doesn't work, try the following command, as root:
>
> yum reinstall xorg-\*
>
> That will cause yum to re-install all your existing X11 packages.
> Any files that the proprietary Radeon driver has clobbered will be
> replaced.  (I had to do this a couple of times swapping between
> nVidia's drivers and nouveau.)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --Dale
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Re: [PLUG] Qwest the Qwerst.

[Pete Lancashire]

$ telnet mail.aracnet.com 25
Trying 216.99.193.7...
Connected to mail.aracnet.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 tungsten.spiritone.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
quit
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed by foreign host.

try my SMTP 63.224.252.117

are you sending from cad2cam.com ?

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Ken Stephens  wrote:
> Pete Lancashire wrote:
>> looks ok from here did a telnet from withing qwest to gmail
>>
>> -pete
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Ken Stephens  wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like Qwest has blocked outgoing port 25 so if you are not sending
>>>   email (;-)), change your outgoing mail port to 587, at least if you
>>> are going to aracnet/spiritone mail servers.  YMMV with other ISPs.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> Cad2Cam.com
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> [kens@atlas ~]$ telnet mail.aracnet.com 25
> Trying 216.99.193.7...
> telnet: connect to address 216.99.193.7: Connection timed out
> [kens@atlas ~]$
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Re: [PLUG] Qwest the Qwerst.

[Pete Lancashire]

looks ok from here did a telnet from withing qwest to gmail

-pete

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> Looks like Qwest has blocked outgoing port 25 so if you are not sending
>  email (;-)), change your outgoing mail port to 587, at least if you
> are going to aracnet/spiritone mail servers.  YMMV with other ISPs.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Who are the top 10 interesting entrepreneur + open source companies in PDX?

[Pete Lancashire]

even leaving TW in the mix, sure does not look like ten, wow the land
of Open Source sure is not looking to sweet

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Mike Connors  wrote:
>>
>>
>> TripWire - http://www.tripwire.com/
>> Firefly Technologies - http://firefly.granburyrs.com/ (POS Systems)
>>
>
> I have to dispute TW as an "open source" company.
>
> "Both are based on the same code, written by Gene Kim and Dr. Eugene
> Spafford at Purdue University in 1992, but Tripwire’s commercial products
> and Open Source Tripwire have followed different development roadmaps since
> they diverged in 1999."
> - www.tripwire.org
>
> Sure, some remnants of the source code might be still be in the current
> incarnation but they're not accessible...
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Re: [PLUG] Looking for Cheap Calling to/from Canada

[Pete Lancashire]

look to see if any Canadian carriers have reciprocal agreements when I
stay in Toronto
one of the carriers has a one with my carrier Verizonwireless.

-pete

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Mark Phillips
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> I need to spend a few days in Canada, and I was looking for technology to
> help reduce the cost of calling home...hey, it worked for ET!
>
> Anyway, I have a google phone on T-Mobile. The costs for
> calling/texting/data is outrageous...
>
> $0.69/minute voice
> $10/MB data
> $0.20/text message
> $0.49/minute for any voice mails (ie if I am notified I have a voice mail, I
> get charged, whether I listen to it or not!)
>
> I was told by Tmo that any VoIP would fall under the $10/MB data charge.
> Does anyone know if this is true?
>
> Any Android gurus have a technical solution that would help reduce these
> costs?
>
> Thanks,
>
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[PLUG] SPARC pizza boxes

[Pete Lancashire]

Before I put them on Craigslist or turn them into PCB scrap, is there
anyone interested in old SMI Sparc's, 5s, 10s, etc ?

-pete
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Re: [PLUG] anyone have a couple 5 1/4 " floppy drives ?

[Pete Lancashire]

yea will call them tomorrow, bet they toss them out, that is if the
get them anymore

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Marvin Kosmal  wrote:
> Free Geek???
>
>
> HTH
>
> Marvin
>
>
> On 11/29/10, Pete Lancashire  wrote:
>> -pete
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[PLUG] anyone have a couple 5 1/4 " floppy drives ?

[Pete Lancashire]

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Re: [PLUG] Identifying Device UUID

[Pete Lancashire]

check the /dev/disk entries for example

ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid

-pete



On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
>   I've searched with Google but despite headings that imply how to find the
> UUID of a specific device, the page contents do not really tell me how to do
> this.
>
>   In /etc/fstab the entry for my external backup disk is
>
> UUID=436bc83a-1d2b-4c58-b3a9-5dbe8efc4112  /media/hd0  ext3  defaults 0 0
>
>   The past couple of mornings I see a mail message that the dirvish backup
> could not unmount the drive. When I tried from the command line this morning
> the attempt failed because the UUID did not match what the kernel saw.
> Turning off the drive, and back on about a hour later allowed me to umount
> the drive.
>
>   How do I determine the UUID for devices such as this external drive? I've
> tried 'vol_id', but 'vol_id -u /media/hd0' responds that it's an unknown or
> unique media type and I see the same response if I use --uuid as the option
> to vol_id.
>
>   A clue stick is needed.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Simple Linux BASH thing I suspect

[Pete Lancashire]

may times hardware ports default to root only write

just a memory from the past

-pete

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Kirk Goins  wrote:

>  I'm testing a Linux based Thin Client and need a little help. These
> will be replacing several Windows PCs. These PC currently have a thermal
> printers by Zebra attached via a parallel port. These printers  need to
> have a logo uploaded after a power reset.  On the Window's PC they do
> the following via a .bat file.
>
> cd\
> copy file.ext lpt1:
>
> I need to do this same thing on this thin client.  Assuming I can get to
> bash, how would I do this simple script?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [PLUG] Financial security on the net

[Pete Lancashire]

One thing I do is I keep only a "small" amount in the account I do any
Debit Card
transactions with. Most of the time it only has $300-400 in it. It is
a hassle but
I look at it as a sacrificial line of defense.

-pete

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Wayne E. Van Loon Sr.
 wrote:
> Fred James wrote:
>> John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> (omissions for brevity)
>>
>>> ... assume you are talking to an
>>> idiot.
>>>
>>>
>> John Jason Jordan
>> No, I shan't assume that ... the usual cautions about eBay and PayPal
>> apply, of course ... they have proved over the years to be somewhat
>> infested, as one might expect from any such open bazaar.
>>
>> However, the real core of my advice is to (if you don't already) get
>> into online banking,
> Some experts advise exactly the opposite.
> Last week, the PBS Newshour did a series of reports from DEF CON 18.
> Some of the "experts" interviewed outright stated that online banking
> was a huge financial security risk.
>
> Your mileage may vary.
>
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[PLUG] Not Linux but ...

[Pete Lancashire]

http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/integration/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226500202
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Re: [PLUG] Building a $200 Linux PC

[Pete Lancashire]

maybe not so much news, but a well written article without trying to
impress anyone.

-pete

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Mike Connors  wrote:
> I realize this is not news to most people on this list, however well all
> have friends and family that might benefit from it. I like to spread the
> good word of Linux/FOSS whenever the opportunity arises.
>
>  The best part about this article is thehy actually perf test it against an
> e-machines nettop running Win7 that's a $100 more w. better hw specs. The
> cheaper, lower spec Linux box performs significantly better...
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2366841,00.asp
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Re: [PLUG] Roots closes - need new venue for AT

[Pete Lancashire]

Russell,

They may have changed it since you last been there.

What use to be Rue's deli on the East end Lucky has put a door, or put
the door back.
There's a sign over the door saying the room can be reserved, can't
remember the details.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=5520+N+Concord+Ave,+Portland,+OR+97217&sll=43.65477,-79.385061&sspn=0.038874,0.06566&g=46+Howland+Ave,+Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+Ontario,+Canada&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=5520+N+Concord+Ave,+Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon+97217&ll=45.562674,-122.68483&spn=0.002351,0.004104&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=45.562677,-122.684968&panoid=XMWKTXbLvItASoPVxYmXcw&cbp=12,201.18,,0,5

Still show's it being the Rue restaurant , but the room is the East
1/3 of the building. The place when built
was originally three businesses.

As to being noisy, I do agree there.

-pete closer then 10 blocks

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:06 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:14:02 -0700
> Russell Senior  dijo:
>
>>>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Lancashire  writes:
>>
>>Pete> The new Lucky Lab on Killingsworth ? A block from MAX -pete
>>
>>Do they have a room suitable for meetings?
>
> As much as the new Lucky Lab on Killingsworth would appeal to me
> (because it's about ten blocks from my house), there is no meeting room
> at all. Plus, like all Lucky Labs, it is deliberately designed to be
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Re: [PLUG] Roots closes - need new venue for AT

[Pete Lancashire]

one room with a close-able door looks like it would seat 30 or more ?
I've never taken count

plus Max is one block away and Concord the other street LL is on is
now a bike access or what
ever has the bike markers that showed up last month are.

don't know if that makes it any more friendly

-pete



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 wrote:
>>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Lancashire  writes:
>
> Pete> The new Lucky Lab on Killingsworth ? A block from MAX -pete
>
> Do they have a room suitable for meetings?
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Roots closes - need new venue for AT

[Pete Lancashire]

The new Lucky Lab on Killingsworth ? A block from MAX

-pete

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Keith Lofstrom  wrote:
> Yikes!  Russell Senior noticed this:
>
> http://blog.oregonlive.com/thebeerhere/2010/07/craig_nicholls_closes_the_door.html
>
> Roots Organic Brewing is closed.
>
> We will not be having an Advanced Topics meeting on July 21st
> anyway - go to the OSCON parties and BOFs! - but we will need
> a venue for AT starting August 19th.  Personal Telco is also
> looking for a venue for their meeting Wednesday July 14th.
>
> I like Lucky Lab Northwest, but transit is erratic.  Any other
> suggestions?  We need beer, somewhat quiet, beer, a place for
> a projector and screen, beer, transit, beer, a place to park,
> beer, no room fee, and beer.
>
> Free as in freedom, not free as in beer, so we can pay for the
> beer.  Perhaps we can use a meeting room at a public library
> or a church, and sneak in the (sacramental?) beer.
>
> We've got to stop putting our meeting places out of business.
> Tip bigger next time.
>
> Keith
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[PLUG] It is about time - Novell

[Pete Lancashire]

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100610161411160
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[PLUG] VERY small embedded server

[Pete Lancashire]

http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/embedded-device-servers/xport-pro.html
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[PLUG] Six Tech Companies Join Up to Boost Linux

[Pete Lancashire]

http://www.linaro.org/press/
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[PLUG] open source bike gadget

[Pete Lancashire]

what no battery charger when riding ?
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Re: [PLUG] random question: how do you think newbies select their distributions?

[Pete Lancashire]

>>my 3/4-baked theory is that many people new to linux use what their
>>friends suggest

I'll raise that to 4/5ths. I am soon going to convert one of friends
M$ boxs to Linux.
I am considering both Fedora and or Ubuntu. Fedora because I have been using
RH since their 5.1. I dont want to get into any religious wars please.
Ubuntu since
my friend is new to Linux and it is the current 'hot new thing'.

Where I work we use RHEL for various reasons, so I use CentOS for testing and
Q/A.

Anyway .. welcome to the family .. at least you have a choice !

-pete

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> I am a newbie. I started using linux this past summer. I am an IT audit
> manager at a company located at the Montgomery Park building. Our company
> runs RHEL on servers that run our ERP and a few other servers. Having
> struggled to audit our Linux servers, I decided to take a class from Red Hat
> (their entry-level Linux Essentials class). I really enjoyed the class and
> was surprised by all that Linux offered in the way of features (e.g.
> kernel-level firewall, KVM, etc.) and security (e.g. SE Linux). That class
> fueled an even greater interest in Linux. One of our Linux admins gave me an
> Ubuntu cd, but I didn't want to learn a distro that was different that what
> our company uses. I discovered CentOS. I obtained an old desktop computer
> from our IT department to use as a sandbox and loaded CentOS on it. I
> purchased Negus's "CentOS Bible" and Membrey's "The Definitive Guide to
> CentOS". Later, I purchased Sobell's"A Practical Guide to Linux Commands,
> Editors, and Shell Programming". After some study, I decided to convert my
> home laptops to Linux. For my home PCs, I tried CentOS, but later changed to
> Fedora (in an effort to not overwhelm myself by staying with one
> distribution family). I have successfully converted my home PCs and my
> family didn't realize they were not using Windows until I told them. By the
> way, getting my somewhat older home laptops to run Fedora successfully has
> been no easy task. I've spent countless hours troubleshooting wireless,
> video, sound, etc - posting on CentOS and Fedora forums, filing bug reports,
> and googling like crazy. I've found this frustrating at times, but I've
> taken satisfaction in all that I've learned. Early on, I made the goal to
> obtain a RHCE certification. This is still a goal, but as I learn more I
> realize I still have long way to go. I've created over a hundred flash cards
> to help me memorize commands, the file system, key configuration files, etc.
> In short, I chose CentOS/Fedora because that is what my company uses and I
> want job relevance. From this pursuit, I realize that Linux as a desktop is
> more buggy, supports less hardware, and is less user friendly than Windows
> (although I like it better - go figure on that one). I understand that Linux
> has come a long way in this area and I think they'll get there in a few
> years. Sorry for the Ramble, Mike
>
> -
> my 3/4-baked theory is that many people new to linux use what their
> friends suggest, or what they first or most compellingly hear about.
> that is, they don't do comparative research between available/relevant
> distributions and choose logically.
>
> certainly that was the case for me in the early days and even now i'm
> more a "try it and see" type than a heavy researcher when i experiment with
> distros i haven't used before.  hmm, then again, i know more of what i
> want and need from a distro now, and can judge some things instantly
> that i would have not understood when i was getting started, so maybe
> the past 16 years has been of some use after all =)
>
> anyway, what is your take on how people choose distributions, and/or
> how did you choose your first?  i think newbies are an especially
> interesting discussion because we are attracting so many to our ranks
> these days and i'm curious as to what trends will shape the future of
> the landscape;  i believe that the distros that see the most users
> fare the best in terms of vitality and usually pace/success of
> development, commercial or non (though that is a belief open to
> debate in itself).
>
> personally, i started with slackware because i was unaware anything
> else existed and my mentor used slackware, though i understood that
> slackware was not linux.  the second time (in as many weeks) that i
> installed it i downloaded it myself from somewhere that had other
> distros mirrored too and i noticed their presence but was not
> inquisitive for many months (and many reinstalls).  it maybe that
> nothing else was as mature and generally awesome and in english at the
> time (mid-1994), but i certainly can't vouch for that with any
> certainty.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Fedora 12

[Pete Lancashire]

I do on two machines

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Marvin Kosmal  wrote:
> Greetings from Fedora 12..
>
> Anyone else run this??
>
>
> Marvin
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[PLUG] FOSS vs ... here we go again write your ???

[Pete Lancashire]

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/big-content-condemns-foreign-governments-that-endorse-foss.ars
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Re: [PLUG] How about this for a tuner?

[Pete Lancashire]

There is a write up about this and Silicon Dust (love the company name!) in
one
of the Electronic Rags I get in the mail. If interested at that level I
could see if
still have the issue

-pete

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Michael Robinson
>  wrote:
> > http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005
> >
> > The beauty of this product is that it appears to be everything
> > compatible and it can add digital television to an entire computer
> > network.  The downsides are the high cost and apparently it doesn't
> > do hardware based MPEG translation.  Comments anyone?
> >
>
> >From the myth list and wiki; it works.  Plus you get two tuners instead of
> one.
> Some people had problems getting it to tune correctly but I think that
> is just a setup problem.
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[PLUG] Facebook & PHP - massive speedup

[Pete Lancashire]

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_gets_faster_debuts_homegrown_php_compiler.php
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Re: [PLUG] Step away from the PHP

[Pete Lancashire]

alternatives ?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Ronald Chmara  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Tim wrote:
> >> A warning for those PHP developers and app maintainers who aren't on
> >> the security mailing lists:
> >   Does PHP stand for Pretty Heavy Problems?
>
> Programming Has Problems
>
> Any sufficiently dumbed down, easy to implement, solution creates an
> inversely equal level of problems in actual use. In this case, the PHP
> "session" development was initially implemented (IIRC) as a way for
> coding newbies to slap together very simple way of maintaining state
> on an inherently stateless medium (http), with expected levels of poor
> performance, scalability, and security.
>
> Unfortunately, the way PHP matured (if that's the right word to use)
> was that a great many folks saw the simple shortcuts and used them,
> rather than writing better solutions.
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Re: [PLUG] London Stock Exchange - $Soft out, Linux/Solaris in

[Pete Lancashire]

> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>
>> I detect considerable derision toward all non-programers. Too bad the
>> world cannot not be run exclusively by assembly language programers.
>> Think
>> how wonderful life would be.
>
> Denis,
>
>One does not need a CS degree to be a competent coder. PJ Plauger
> received

The best I've worked with

- A physics PhD Astrophysics
- A Math MS maybe a PhD Cryptography
- Chem PhD Inorganic something

And met

- Donald Knuth

 and a few I've forgotten

Try explaining that to a HR department :-(

-pete
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