Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Rob Saul r...@code-gnomemad.org wrote: On 9/28/11 8:13 AM, MJang wrote: The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period. http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html I wasn't going to join in this general fracas until I was reminded of the above statement. It's too late, the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Linus Pauling. It's a Linus conspiracy. Clearly. Semi-related: anybody know a good way to create and read filtered *web pages*? Say, I want to peruse the archives, for this list, and black-out posts, or I want to surf 4chan, while not being able to accidentally see (and thus download) CP. Is there a DOM filtering browser tool out there? Use case: In a DOM tree, I want to filter on every n*r reference from the web page, href, etc. Where I see: goodstring or badstring. Xpath kind of works, but it's more of a searching system, not a developed content system. I guess the big hurdle is the not this page issue, where predictive removal of something from a DOM would require chasing down every link, and churning through the content... -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
He also asks a --lot-- of questions of this board. I don't think he's ever offered technical help to anyone on this board. He takes, and does not give back. This is a historically proven and very fair statement of his behavior on this mailing list. Not to mention that when people do attempt to help him he tends to very argumentative and always seems to have some unique situation, according to him, in which no one's suggestions can be successfully implemented. I suggest that anyone who answers his technical questions is inadvertently encouraging people who just take from a community, along with his general nasty demeanor. In my years here, I remember him saying thank you just once. Anyone who doesn't contribute to doesn't deserve to benefit, I understand people who have blacklisted him into their spam filters. I have now done so reluctantly. It is in essence changing the channel when he speaks. I am reluctant to do so -- as it risks ceding the tone of this list to people like him. I agree and it sucks a lot to do so and defeats the purpose of having a community of support. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
This is a historically proven and very fair statement of his behavior on this mailing list. Not to mention that when people do attempt to help him he tends to very argumentative and always seems to have some unique situation, according to him, in which no one's suggestions can be successfully implemented. Any question that more than one person has about a Linux related issue that is answered on this mailing list is valuable. Openly attacking me on list when I cannot respond on list without being accused of hostile behavior is extremely rude and unacceptable. Is to be any semblance of professionalism in this community at all? I have been silent for days, but still people are attacking me on list with arguably little to no provocation at this point so that I have to speak out against it. Offering help if I do not know the issue well enough to give reasonable let alone correct advice is not help by the way. Nowhere in the terms of use for this list does it say that I am aware of, you cannot ask for help if you do not give help to others. That people have to go after divisive threads that are over 10 years old to accuse me of having a, history of hostility, is ridiculous. I am not hostile towards Keith, I am hostile towards calling God a woman on list. I stand by my comment that I hope Linus converts to some form of religion. Believing in God makes it easier to accept God. Aceepting that which one does not believe is probably the hardest thing to do, yet for the believer, it is no trouble at all. For those who totally reject God, there is only Hell. Every thread that answers a question about a Linux or OSS related topic is a good thread for this list. This thread does not pass this test and frankly, it needs to die. If answering the questions of all but certain people, people who agree with you on everything, is offensive to you, this list is not for you. If you can't agree to disagree and instead decide to openly attack a person who has been silent for days, you are not affecting this list in a good way. Does anyone honestly think that I want to see attack posts from this list in my inbox day after day, week after week? I don't. The statement that I am hostile towards this list is NOT a fair statement. I have been hostile towards only political/religious statements which are technically not acceptable list material in the first place. I have never been hostile towards people helping each other use Linux more effectively. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
Any question that more than one person has about a Linux related issue that is answered on this mailing list is valuable. Openly attacking me on list when I cannot respond on list without being accused of hostile behavior is extremely rude and unacceptable. Merely stating a historical pattern of observed behavior is not openly attacking you. It's much like saying this has been the observed weather pattern. I am not hostile towards Keith, I am hostile towards calling God a woman on list. I stand by my comment that I hope Linus converts to some form of religion. Believing in God makes it easier to accept God. Aceepting that which one does not believe is probably the hardest thing to do, yet for the believer, it is no trouble at all. Believe that most of the modern conveniences that you enjoy were researched, developed, and created by people who don't believe in God. For those who totally reject God, there is only Hell. No, actually there's freedom and liberation from Religious oppression. Every thread that answers a question about a Linux or OSS related topic is a good thread for this list. This thread does not pass this test and frankly, it needs to die. If answering the questions of all but certain people, people who agree with you on everything, is offensive to you, this list is not for you. If you can't agree to disagree and instead decide to openly attack a person who has been silent for days, you are not affecting this list in a good way. Does anyone honestly think that I want to see attack posts from this list in my inbox day after day, week after week? I don't. The statement that I am hostile towards this list is NOT a fair statement. I have been hostile towards only political/religious statements which are technically not acceptable list material in the first place. I have never been hostile towards people helping each other use Linux more effectively. Politics and religion are not an appropriate topic for this list. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On 9/28/11 8:13 AM, MJang wrote: The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period. http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html I wasn't going to join in this general fracas until I was reminded of the above statement. It's too late, the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Linus Pauling. semi-topical - I use dovecot + procmail to filter email quite effectively. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Danial, I agree, however we have gone down this road a dozen times before... always with the same individual. I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it. I have found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for any post that contains his name. sometimes a few messages (like this one) get through, but it is much better than without the filter. Jason On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@gmail.com wrote: I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic religious discussion off this list. Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the list; it would be a shame if we let that happen. Daniel -- ♲ Made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Michael, Not everyone believes as you, and you of all people should understand that in this country, ALL beliefs are valued. The beliefs you are defending so adamantly are held by a minority of humans on the earth. When you allow others to believe what they wish, you will find that your relationship with the other 7 billion people in the world will be much more pleasant. What you or I believe about the gender or non-gender of any supreme being is irrelevant in the discussion of Linux. My mother always taught me to 'Pick my battles'. This is not the time nor the place to argue religion. Keith made a tongue in cheek (I'm assuming here) remark, and you took the bait. I don't know if he intended it as such or not. Stop taking the bait, and the baiting will stop. You have as much control over letting it go as anyone else. More so in fact, since you are the one taking the heat for taking the bait. Let it go. On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith concerning this argument. Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
I think you are wrong. I have been trying to be a part of this list for years where trouble has been ongoing. The Linux community may be welcoming somewhere else, but not here in Portland. I hardly deem it necessary to post to this list, it's often far more interesting to read what my elders have to say and deal with; the few times I *have* posted I haven't been treated with any disrespect or hostility. It is merely a testament to your own hostility and berating tone that seem to earn you the ire of this list. I want to be a part of the Linux list in my community, but this community is very unchurched and way too liberal. This invariably comes up one way or another over and over and over. The liberals causing the problem, like Keith, are never criticized for their behavior and frankly they are never called on it. Nobody ever says, hey Keith, you are blatantly intolerant of the opposite viewpoint on an issue you shouldn't have brought up in the first place. Keith and others have not just done this once, this happens over and over and over. It is high time, it is past time for David Mandel or someone to take corrective action. I admire your dogmatic adherence to your moral ethics and beliefs, it's something that many of us (myself included) lack today. What I cannot stand, however, is your incessant need to fling these beliefs in the face of contributors to the list, *regardless* of whatever transgression you may think they have committed. Simply because other members of the list have broken the rules does not justify your, often violent and uncalled for, reactions; if you are truly a man of God then it should be a simple matter of staying above the influence. There's no reason to poison this discussion with inane ramblings about God, censorship, reactOS, or any other babble that doesn't pertain to a technical question. I think several other members have attempted to make this point before. I'd hate to perpetuate this discussion any further, but I want to be perfectly clear with you here, Michael: simply because I or other members of this list do not respond immediately to your emails does not mean we are in any way censoring your messages. I do, however, find your questions to be arcane, esoteric, and generally above my level of competence. Above all else I am here to learn from the minds of greater Linux practitioners than I, and I couldn't care less what personal beliefs they hold. If you ever hope to get *any* sort of help from this list, I suggest you start doing the same. :FF: ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Talking about censoring someone on list when that person is following the list is cyber bullying and it is wrong. Someone please speak out against the bullies. Danial, I agree, however we have gone down this road a dozen times before... always with the same individual. I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it. I have found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for any post that contains his name. sometimes a few messages (like this one) get through, but it is much better than without the filter. Jason On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@gmail.com wrote: I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic religious discussion off this list. Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the list; it would be a shame if we let that happen. Daniel -- ♲ Made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
1) 25% at least, arguably more, of the people on this planet believe as I do. Besides, what about respect for minorities? 2) Tongue in cheek is not determinable when one is discussing email. What makes Keith putting religiously controversial statements on PLUG right even if his statement was tongue in cheek? 3) Oregon is probably the least churched state in the entire country. I've heard that as few as 30% of Oregonians regularly attend weekly services. Oregon is not at all, especially western Oregon, representative of what people believe world wide let alone nation wide. Saying that Oregon is representative is called lying or in some circles just statistics. 4) Linus is an atheist last time I checked where I'd love to see him convert. It would make his chances of getting to heaven far greater. So as far as picking ones battles, fighting atheism with the prospect of influencing Linus could make a major difference in the world. Linus isn't the only atheist that would leave atheism most likely upon his conversion. Only God can ultimately convert Linus or anyone else for that matter, but I can try to argue for and pray for his conversion. 5) I didn't pick this forum to argue the gender of God. Keith did. This is a major issue that nobody seems willing to address. This needs to be addressed, putting all the responsibility on me for this is wrong. 6) I have to stand and fight prejudice or it will just be there tomorrow waiting for me. It's not the gender issue I can't let go of so much as the preferential treatment issue. I bet nobody who is criticizing me would be doing so if they agreed with my position. Nobody is criticizing Keith that I know of anywhere near the level that I am being criticized at. 7) I have tried to reason with the community, but the people who have written so far appear to be unreasonable. 8) What I really want is a statement against censoring people, especially those who follow the rule Linux/Unix and/or the occasional open source non-Linux topic. Another thing, nobody is a problem in a truly diverse group of people. Sure there are those who break the laws that society depends on to function, but just annoying people doesn't rise to anywhere near that level. I'm sorry that people are bringing religious/political hostility to this list where it typically takes two or more people for a fight to start. A sad day it will be if Linux becomes something that only jerks talk about. Jerks that are intolerant, unprofessional, and inconsiderate. Make no mistake, I will continue to argue for what needs to happen in this community until the prejudice is stamped out. Not everyone believes as you, and you of all people should understand that in this country, ALL beliefs are valued. The beliefs you are defending so adamantly are held by a minority of humans on the earth. When you allow others to believe what they wish, you will find that your relationship with the other 7 billion people in the world will be much more pleasant. What you or I believe about the gender or non-gender of any supreme being is irrelevant in the discussion of Linux. My mother always taught me to 'Pick my battles'. This is not the time nor the place to argue religion. Keith made a tongue in cheek (I'm assuming here) remark, and you took the bait. I don't know if he intended it as such or not. Stop taking the bait, and the baiting will stop. You have as much control over letting it go as anyone else. More so in fact, since you are the one taking the heat for taking the bait. Let it go. On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith concerning this argument. Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Jason Barnett wrote: Danial, I agree, however we have gone down this road a dozen times before... always with the same individual. I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it. I have found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for any post that contains his name. sometimes a few messages (like this one) get through, but it is much better than without the filter. Jason (omissions for brevity) Jason Barnett I have always hated that idea, but I have come to do the same. I apologize to the group for my participation in this latest fray. Regards Fred James ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:36:18PM -0700, Jason Barnett wrote: I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it. I have found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for any post that contains his name. For anyone keeping count, I'm did and do the same. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Other Adventures: http://www.jamhome.us/ or http://westy.saunter.us/ Fortune Cookie Fortune du jour: I have a terrible sense of direction and get lost on a regular basis, but at least with the GPS, I know precisely where I'm lost. ~ Bob Heath ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 04:31 -0700, Michael Rasmussen wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:36:18PM -0700, Jason Barnett wrote: I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it. I have found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for any post that contains his name. For anyone keeping count, I'm did and do the same. Even though my blacklist is now working w/r/t the individual in question, I still find this thread -- astonishing. He also asks a --lot-- of questions of this board. I don't think he's ever offered technical help to anyone on this board. He takes, and does not give back. I suggest that anyone who answers his technical questions is inadvertently encouraging people who just take from a community, along with his general nasty demeanor. In my years here, I remember him saying thank you just once. This thread, and his responses, is an overreaction about one person who honored his wife in a very American way. Keith's reference to his wife as a God who must be obeyed is a common American male view of marriage. If you've ever seen her picture on Keith's laptop, it's clear that he idolizes her. Keith has nothing to apologize for, and can be proud of the way he honors his marriage, and his work to make his wife's home office more efficient with Asterisk. The reacting individual in question has apparently been haunting this list with his point of view since at least 2004, ref http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2004-April/031297.html . So he's apparently not going to stop soon. I understand people who have blacklisted him into their spam filters. I have now done so reluctantly. It is in essence changing the channel when he speaks. I am reluctant to do so -- as it risks ceding the tone of this list to people like him. Given his point of view, it's astonishing that he would use an operating system created by an atheist. When Keith suggested that we nominate Linus for the Nobel Peace Prize, this was his reaction: http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period. He then compared Linus Torvalds to Mao Tse-Tung and Saddam Hussein. Thanks, Mike ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with me??? I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected telephone handsets to dial out. I can dial to them, but I can't dial from them. Just so everyone is clear, God is a man. Second, He is the same God as your God because there is only one. Third, women were judges and land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the priesthood if He wanted to. Read the bible, Christ is clearly identified as a man and as God. Check the historical records of ancient Rome, Christ is identified as a man. And while we are on the subject if Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing censorship. Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid religious/political controversy on a technical support list. If you and your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, please do it elsewhere. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Why is everything you do or say the fault of someone else ... do other people control you to that extent? What universal hot line are you plugged into that you are so very sure of your knowledge? It is irrelevant because the desperation for certainty insures desperate uncertainty ... but I don't expect you to understand that I honestly don't care what gender you assign to your god/God, nor that you think that this is the god/God of any other person/persons. Regards Fred James Michael C. Robinson wrote: With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with me??? I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected telephone handsets to dial out. I can dial to them, but I can't dial from them. Just so everyone is clear, God is a man. Second, He is the same God as your God because there is only one. Third, women were judges and land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the priesthood if He wanted to. Read the bible, Christ is clearly identified as a man and as God. Check the historical records of ancient Rome, Christ is identified as a man. And while we are on the subject if Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing censorship. Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid religious/political controversy on a technical support list. If you and your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, please do it elsewhere. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Hi Guys, I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon Sent from my Palm Pixi on ATamp;T On Sep 27, 2011 8:46 PM, Fred James lt;fredj...@fredjame.cnc.netgt; wrote: Why is everything you do or say the fault of someone else ... do other people control you to that extent? What universal hot line are you plugged into that you are so very sure of your knowledge? It is irrelevant because the desperation for certainty insures desperate uncertainty ... but I don't expect you to understand that I honestly don't care what gender you assign to your god/God, nor that you think that this is the god/God of any other person/persons. Regards Fred James Michael C. Robinson wrote: gt; With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with gt; me??? I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected gt; telephone handsets to dial out. I can dial to them, but I can't dial gt; from them. gt; gt; Just so everyone is clear, God is a man. Second, He is the same God gt; as your God because there is only one. Third, women were judges and gt; land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the gt; priesthood if He wanted to. Read the bible, Christ is clearly gt; identified as a man and as God. Check the historical records of ancient gt; Rome, Christ is identified as a man. And while we are on the subject if gt; Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't gt; censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing gt; censorship. Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid gt; religious/political controversy on a technical support list. If you and gt; your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the gt; contrary, please do it elsewhere. gt; gt; ___ gt; PLUG mailing list gt; PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org gt; http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug gt; gt; ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith concerning this argument. If Keith has a right to put blatant and wrong religious statements on this Linux list, than anyone else should have the right to disagree with him both openly and intelligently. Disproportionately blaming this argument on one person is wrong, needs to stop, and it can only be stopped by the community. I am owed an apology for Keith's lack of professionalism and from other people as well who know who they are. I have been singled out for censorship but Keith has not and the sad truth is, I really do need help with Asterisk. The only reason Keith started this argument is to get me censored so that other people won't help me. This wasn't a joke between him and his wife, it was blatant trolling. Why can't the community see that and the list moderators reprimand him? On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:59 -0700, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Hi Guys, I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon I think you are wrong. I have been trying to be a part of this list for years where trouble has been ongoing. The Linux community may be welcoming somewhere else, but not here in Portland. I want to be a part of the Linux list in my community, but this community is very unchurched and way too liberal. This invariably comes up one way or another over and over and over. The liberals causing the problem, like Keith, are never criticized for their behavior and frankly they are never called on it. Nobody ever says, hey Keith, you are blatantly intolerant of the opposite viewpoint on an issue you shouldn't have brought up in the first place. Keith and others have not just done this once, this happens over and over and over. It is high time, it is past time for David Mandel or someone to take corrective action. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@gmail.com wrote: I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic religious discussion off this list. Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the list; it would be a shame if we let that happen. Daniel -- ♲ Made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Well Bill, you are wrong where trying to harass me privately is still harassment. At least by posting this on PLUG others can see that you are clearly part of the problem and not part of the solution. If people do leave this list, it will not be because I tried to logically and respectfully argue a different viewpoint to Keith's controversial and wrong religious statement. I'm still awaiting a community solution to the Keith can use this as a political/religious rag problem. If he is allowed to do so, I should be allowed to do so along with anyone else who wants to. That is called free speech by the way. If nobody should be allowed to do this, then nobody includes Keith. If I'm wrong and people do leave this list because they are intolerant of reasonable and correct religious beliefs, good riddance. On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 21:49 -0700, Bill Ensley wrote: Michael, There is a reason other lists kick you off. I'm sorry you can't see it. When you turn in a circle and everyone you see is wrong, perhaps it's not them. -Bill Ensley On 9/27/2011 2:14 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith concerning this argument. If Keith has a right to put blatant and wrong religious statements on this Linux list, than anyone else should have the right to disagree with him both openly and intelligently. Disproportionately blaming this argument on one person is wrong, needs to stop, and it can only be stopped by the community. I am owed an apology for Keith's lack of professionalism and from other people as well who know who they are. I have been singled out for censorship but Keith has not and the sad truth is, I really do need help with Asterisk. The only reason Keith started this argument is to get me censored so that other people won't help me. This wasn't a joke between him and his wife, it was blatant trolling. Why can't the community see that and the list moderators reprimand him? On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:59 -0700, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Hi Guys, I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 21:44 -0700, Daniel Pittman wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@gmail.com wrote: I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic religious discussion off this list. Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the list; it would be a shame if we let that happen. Daniel You just did let that happen by making this comment. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
