Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Thanks Galen, I believe that my lack of awareness of it is total indifference to any eye candy gimicks in UI. All I care about is practicality and effectiveness of the interface together with good ergonomic. My hands hurt with mouse and I hate distraction from the task at hand. For that reason, I do not even know what to look for and it would not surprise me if it is currently active on my desktop. I am quite familiar with Knoppix and I still have no idea - I guess if it does not have label or command line form - then it does not exist in my mind. Well, since I am not aware of it, it must be good UI element - not in the way of anything, not distracting me from writing this. If I remember, I will ask you some day to point finger at it and show me. :-) Tomas On Sat, 2018-05-19 at 12:04 -0700, Galen Seitz wrote: > On 05/09/2018 02:18 AM, Tomas K wrote: > > Thanks all for trying, I really appreciate it. > > > > I am now confused, on the top of just not knowing. > > I guess, I was naive to seek simple functional description after > > seeing > > all those mountains of buzzwords on compiz.org. > > I'm late to the party, but an easy way to get a feel for what compiz > can > do is to boot Knoppix. Alternatively, I'm sure you can find compiz > demos on youtube. > > (BTW, no compiz on my machines. I've just encountered it with > Knoppix) > > galen ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On 05/09/2018 02:18 AM, Tomas K wrote: Thanks all for trying, I really appreciate it. I am now confused, on the top of just not knowing. I guess, I was naive to seek simple functional description after seeing all those mountains of buzzwords on compiz.org. I'm late to the party, but an easy way to get a feel for what compiz can do is to boot Knoppix. Alternatively, I'm sure you can find compiz demos on youtube. (BTW, no compiz on my machines. I've just encountered it with Knoppix) galen -- Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Thanks Ben On Thu, May 10, 2018, 3:18 PM Ben Koenig wrote: > Since KDE version 4 they have split the desktop environment into a few > chunks. > > They have the KDE SC, Software Compilation which is the applications > that ship with the DE. Basically all the things that windows has by > default - a calculator, basic web browser, Kwrite (instead of notepate) > etc. This 'SC' is cross platform and can even be installed on Windows, > essentially replacing apps like Notepad, IE and even Minesweeper with > the kde versions ;) > > > In this new design, Plasma is the desktop. On Linux, if you run KDE you > will also be running Plasma. But you could theoretically be using a > different desktop ( or different OS entirely ) and still run the apps > that are part of KDE SC. > > > So 'KDE' is an umbrella project for both Plasma, and the Software > Compilation.The KDE project has even gone the the next step and built an > official "KDE Distro" called KDE Neon. > > > So Here is Neon, a version of Ubuntu with the Plasma desktop > running the KDE Software Compilation. Took me a while to wrap my head > around this change. > > https://neon.kde.org/ > > > > On 05/10/2018 02:45 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > > I use KDE for decades at this point, together with Gnome and other xDEs > du > > jour. I have never noticed this Plasma monicker. > > > > Is Plasma Compiz equivalent for KDE? > > > > Thanks, T > > > > > > On Thu, May 10, 2018, 4:45 AM elcaseti wrote: > > > >> Jason, That is useful info. I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if > it's > >> up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family. > Mint > >> has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately. > >> > >> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett < > jason.barnet...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the > >> included > >>> VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver. > >>> Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know. > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta < > >> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize > >> familiar > smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu > for > >>> the > last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs. > > Just a word of caution, > T > > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan > wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + > > Tim Garton dijo: > > > >> What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are > >>> probably > >> running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted > >> back > >> to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have > >> carried > >> Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not > >> the > >> least of which is the screensaver API. > > What you said is possible. > > > > I have three computers: > > 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just > > upgraded to 18.04. > > 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently > > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 > > 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 > > which inhibits the screensaver as it should. > > > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to > > inhibit the screensaver. > > > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind > >> of > > exorcism is needed to get rid of them. > > > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, > > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a > >>> change-log > > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > >>> ___ > >>> PLUG mailing list > >>> PLUG@pdxlinux.org > >>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>> > >> ___ > >> PLUG mailing list > >> PLUG@pdxlinux.org > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Since KDE version 4 they have split the desktop environment into a few chunks. They have the KDE SC, Software Compilation which is the applications that ship with the DE. Basically all the things that windows has by default - a calculator, basic web browser, Kwrite (instead of notepate) etc. This 'SC' is cross platform and can even be installed on Windows, essentially replacing apps like Notepad, IE and even Minesweeper with the kde versions ;) In this new design, Plasma is the desktop. On Linux, if you run KDE you will also be running Plasma. But you could theoretically be using a different desktop ( or different OS entirely ) and still run the apps that are part of KDE SC. So 'KDE' is an umbrella project for both Plasma, and the Software Compilation.The KDE project has even gone the the next step and built an official "KDE Distro" called KDE Neon. So Here is Neon, a version of Ubuntu with the Plasma desktop running the KDE Software Compilation. Took me a while to wrap my head around this change. https://neon.kde.org/ On 05/10/2018 02:45 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: I use KDE for decades at this point, together with Gnome and other xDEs du jour. I have never noticed this Plasma monicker. Is Plasma Compiz equivalent for KDE? Thanks, T On Thu, May 10, 2018, 4:45 AM elcaseti wrote: Jason, That is useful info. I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if it's up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family. Mint has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett wrote: I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the included VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver. Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta < tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote: While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize familiar smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for the last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs. Just a word of caution, T On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + Tim Garton dijo: What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are probably running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the least of which is the screensaver API. What you said is possible. I have three computers: 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just upgraded to 18.04. 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 which inhibits the screensaver as it should. Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to inhibit the screensaver. I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of exorcism is needed to get rid of them. While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a change-log to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
I use KDE for decades at this point, together with Gnome and other xDEs du jour. I have never noticed this Plasma monicker. Is Plasma Compiz equivalent for KDE? Thanks, T On Thu, May 10, 2018, 4:45 AM elcaseti wrote: > Jason, That is useful info. I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if it's > up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family. Mint > has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately. > > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett > wrote: > > > I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the > included > > VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver. > > Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know. > > > > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta < > tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize > familiar > > > smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for > > the > > > last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs. > > > > > > Just a word of caution, > > > T > > > > > > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + > > > > Tim Garton dijo: > > > > > > > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are > > probably > > > > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted > back > > > > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have > carried > > > > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not > the > > > > >least of which is the screensaver API. > > > > > > > > What you said is possible. > > > > > > > > I have three computers: > > > > 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just > > > > upgraded to 18.04. > > > > 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently > > > > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 > > > > 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 > > > > which inhibits the screensaver as it should. > > > > > > > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to > > > > inhibit the screensaver. > > > > > > > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind > of > > > > exorcism is needed to get rid of them. > > > > > > > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, > > > > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a > > change-log > > > > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. > > > > ___ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
To the best of my knowledge the only distribution that switched to Wayland was vanilla Ubuntu, derivatives like kubuntu and xubuntu did not. So that may not be your problem after all. On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + > Tim Garton dijo: > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are probably > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the > >least of which is the screensaver API. > > What you said is possible. > > I have three computers: > 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just > upgraded to 18.04. > 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 > 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 > which inhibits the screensaver as it should. > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to > inhibit the screensaver. > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of > exorcism is needed to get rid of them. > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a change-log > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
I'm interested in that last statement. Is Mint discontinuing a KDE release? How do you release KDE w/o Plasma? Johnathan On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:45 AM, elcaseti wrote: > Jason, That is useful info. I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if it's > up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family. Mint > has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately. > > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett > wrote: > > > I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the > included > > VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver. > > Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know. > > > > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta < > tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize > familiar > > > smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for > > the > > > last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs. > > > > > > Just a word of caution, > > > T > > > > > > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + > > > > Tim Garton dijo: > > > > > > > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are > > probably > > > > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted > back > > > > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have > carried > > > > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not > the > > > > >least of which is the screensaver API. > > > > > > > > What you said is possible. > > > > > > > > I have three computers: > > > > 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just > > > > upgraded to 18.04. > > > > 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently > > > > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 > > > > 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 > > > > which inhibits the screensaver as it should. > > > > > > > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to > > > > inhibit the screensaver. > > > > > > > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind > of > > > > exorcism is needed to get rid of them. > > > > > > > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, > > > > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a > > change-log > > > > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. > > > > ___ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Jason, That is useful info. I will be trying Kubuntu 18.04 to see if it's up to the task of replacing Mint KDE for myself, friends, & family. Mint has abandoned KDE Plasma, unfortunately. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jason Barnett wrote: > I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the included > VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver. > Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know. > > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta > wrote: > > > While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize familiar > > smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for > the > > last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs. > > > > Just a word of caution, > > T > > > > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + > > > Tim Garton dijo: > > > > > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are > probably > > > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back > > > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried > > > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the > > > >least of which is the screensaver API. > > > > > > What you said is possible. > > > > > > I have three computers: > > > 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just > > > upgraded to 18.04. > > > 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently > > > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 > > > 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 > > > which inhibits the screensaver as it should. > > > > > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to > > > inhibit the screensaver. > > > > > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of > > > exorcism is needed to get rid of them. > > > > > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, > > > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a > change-log > > > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
I can vouch for Kubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 17.10, Xorg) that the included VLC 3.0.1 does NOT have any issues with the screensaver. Not sure if this information is of any use to you, but now you know. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:37 PM Tomas Kuchta wrote: > While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize familiar > smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for the > last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs. > > Just a word of caution, > T > > On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + > > Tim Garton dijo: > > > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are probably > > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back > > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried > > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the > > >least of which is the screensaver API. > > > > What you said is possible. > > > > I have three computers: > > 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just > > upgraded to 18.04. > > 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently > > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 > > 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 > > which inhibits the screensaver as it should. > > > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to > > inhibit the screensaver. > > > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of > > exorcism is needed to get rid of them. > > > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, > > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a change-log > > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
While I might not know what is Compiz, I certainly can recognize familiar smell of major trouble coming - when I hear about upgrading U-buntu for the last 12 releases AND not practicing regular clean installs. Just a word of caution, T On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:38 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + > Tim Garton dijo: > > >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are probably > >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back > >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried > >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the > >least of which is the screensaver API. > > What you said is possible. > > I have three computers: > 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just > upgraded to 18.04. > 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently > revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 > 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 > which inhibits the screensaver as it should. > > Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to > inhibit the screensaver. > > I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of > exorcism is needed to get rid of them. > > While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, > version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a change-log > to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:20:13 + Tim Garton dijo: >What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are probably >running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back >to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried >Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the >least of which is the screensaver API. What you said is possible. I have three computers: 1. desktop built 2 mos ago, started with Xubuntu 17.10 and just upgraded to 18.04. 2. Lenovo T61 laptop, had 12.04 when it was retired; recently revived and dist-upgraded to 14.04 > 16.04 > 18.04 3. System76 laptop, still running Xubuntu 14.04.5. Has VLC 2.2.5 which inhibits the screensaver as it should. Both 1 and 2 have VLC 3.0.1 (from the dist-upgrades), which fails to inhibit the screensaver. I wonder what pieces of Wayland are still on 1 and 2, and what kind of exorcism is needed to get rid of them. While VLC 3.0.1 is the current version in the 18.04 repositories, version 3.0.2 has been released. I've looked everywhere for a change-log to see if it addresses this issue, but can't find one. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
What did you dist upgrade from? If it was Ubuntu 17.10 you are probably running Wayland, which is most likely the problem. They reverted back to Xorg with 18.04, but if you upgraded from 17.10 it may have carried Wayland as the default from that. Wayland breaks many things, not the least of which is the screensaver API. On Tue, May 8, 2018, 3:41 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 20:48:55 -0800 > John Jason Jordan dijo: > > >VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can only > >install it via Snap. > > > > Having just dist-upgraded two computers to Ubuntu 18.04 I find that > both now have VLC 3.0.1. Unfortunately, the bug that causes it to fail > to disable the screensaver is still not fixed. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On Wed, 9 May 2018 10:03:17 -0700 Ben Koenig dijo: >Compiz makes your desktop look cool. > >Compiz can break certain applications. > >As an analogy, if we compare VLC to a website... then Compiz is a >module you enable in the web server to add graphical effects to VLC. > >Now imagine if this web server module that you enable in http.conf was >integrated into the webserver, and impossible to disable. >That is what ubuntu did with compiz. They included the graphical >effects system at a level that can't be turned off. This results in >applications such as VLC encountering problems that go back 10 years, >because control over how the video is rendered to the screen has been >taken away from the video player. > >I hope that clarifies it. This is a topic worth keeping tabs on >because it directly affects how server-side data is presented to the >user on the client side. Very interesting observations. Re turning off compiz on Ubuntu. I have a GUI called Settings Manager which allows me to call up additional windows for specific settings. One of them is called Window Manager Tweaks, and its window has tabs for various functions, one of which is labeled Compositor. At the top of the Compositor options tab is a button to turn it off. I just did so on my desktop (18.04) and the shadows under windows immediately disappeared. But note that all my computers have Xubuntu and have never had any other DE - no Gnome, Unity, Mate, etc. ad nauseam. So maybe that I can turn it off is a function of Xfce rather than Ubuntu. Having said that, I am going to leave it turned off just to see if it affects the fact that VLC's option to disable the screensaver is broken. It probably won't make any difference, but what the heck. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
You just hit the spot at the right pre-school level Ben, This I understand perfectly - it is a yoke intended to make everything looking cool - an it is firmly stuck between the desktop environment and the screen. Thanks, I get it now, it should not add to my Linux experience in any positive/negative ways. Tomas On Wed, 2018-05-09 at 10:03 -0700, Ben Koenig wrote: > Compiz makes your desktop look cool. > > Compiz can break certain applications. > > As an analogy, if we compare VLC to a website... then Compiz is a > module > you enable in the web server to add graphical effects to VLC. > > Now imagine if this web server module that you enable in http.conf > was > integrated into the webserver, and impossible to disable. > That is what ubuntu did with compiz. They included the graphical > effects > system at a level that can't be turned off. This results in > applications > such as VLC encountering problems that go back 10 years, because > control > over how the video is rendered to the screen has been taken away > from > the video player. > > I hope that clarifies it. This is a topic worth keeping tabs on > because > it directly affects how server-side data is presented to the user on > the > client side. > > > On 05/09/2018 02:18 AM, Tomas K wrote: > > Thanks all for trying, I really appreciate it. > > > > I am now confused, on the top of just not knowing. > > I guess, I was naive to seek simple functional description after > > seeing > > all those mountains of buzzwords on compiz.org. > > > > It gets even worse with more unknown stuff such as Aero and Mac OS > > - > > GPU and openGL. Those are not good reference points to me. I guess, > > it > > has something to do with 3D, triangles, polygons, vertexes, fills, > > etc. > > as in when you want to fill a window frame in games before it gets > > passed to compositor for screen frame assembly? Or am I completely > > off > > track? I thought X does that window decorations and screen frame > > assembly work. > > > > Anyway, thanks again for trying - I thought that it would be easy > > to > > just ask. It always is. :-) > > > > It seems that I would have to spent some non trivial time learning > > about stuff I am not currently that much interested in. I am > > server, > > web service, engineering and data junkie kind of a guy - html5, > > svg, > > gnuplot, R, Qt, can display any data I can think of at the > > moment. > > > > This is completely unfamiliar area to me. > > > > Cheers, Tomas > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-08 at 21:19 -0700, Ben Koenig wrote: > > > Not exactly > > > > > > Compiz is a window manager that enables desktop effects similar > > > to > > > those > > > found in Mac OS X and Windows Aero. It accomplishes this by > > > drawing > > > application windows to the screen using OpenGL and you graphics > > > card. > > > It > > > is a component of your Desktop Environment. > > > > > > Maximize, minimize, and window manipulation that we expect on a > > > desktop > > > computer is handed by a "Window Manager". Compiz provides these > > > features > > > using opengl on your GPU, so it can go nuts and arrange your > > > desktop > > > in > > > 3 dimensions. Windows Aero MacOS Expo/Mission Control... or > > > in > > > our > > > case the Compiz Desktop Cube. > > > > > > > > > Most DE's such as KDE and whatnot have the ability to run a > > > different > > > WM, therefore drastically changing the way windows are managed. > > > > > > > > > On 05/08/2018 09:00 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > > > > Thanks. > > > > So is it a desktop environment like Gnome/kde/lxde/... ? > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 8, 2018, 8:23 PM John Jason Jordan > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 09 May 2018 02:55:17 + > > > > > Tomas Kuchta dijo: > > > > > > > > > > > What is Compiz? > > > > > > What is it good for? > > > > > > Can some explain it in a single digestible sentence? > > > > > > > > > > Compiz allows the user to add a bit of art to their desktop > > > > > by > > > > > altering > > > > > the appearance of windows and objects. As a common example > > > > > that I > > > > > use > > > > > myself, you can add a shadow around windows. I keep my shadow > > > > > thin and > > > > > not very dark so it is just a hint. If you're not > > > > > artistically > > > > > inclined, then compiz is not for you. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, that was more than one sentence. Hopefully they were > > > > > digestible. > > > > > ___ > > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > >
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Compiz makes your desktop look cool. Compiz can break certain applications. As an analogy, if we compare VLC to a website... then Compiz is a module you enable in the web server to add graphical effects to VLC. Now imagine if this web server module that you enable in http.conf was integrated into the webserver, and impossible to disable. That is what ubuntu did with compiz. They included the graphical effects system at a level that can't be turned off. This results in applications such as VLC encountering problems that go back 10 years, because control over how the video is rendered to the screen has been taken away from the video player. I hope that clarifies it. This is a topic worth keeping tabs on because it directly affects how server-side data is presented to the user on the client side. On 05/09/2018 02:18 AM, Tomas K wrote: Thanks all for trying, I really appreciate it. I am now confused, on the top of just not knowing. I guess, I was naive to seek simple functional description after seeing all those mountains of buzzwords on compiz.org. It gets even worse with more unknown stuff such as Aero and Mac OS - GPU and openGL. Those are not good reference points to me. I guess, it has something to do with 3D, triangles, polygons, vertexes, fills, etc. as in when you want to fill a window frame in games before it gets passed to compositor for screen frame assembly? Or am I completely off track? I thought X does that window decorations and screen frame assembly work. Anyway, thanks again for trying - I thought that it would be easy to just ask. It always is. :-) It seems that I would have to spent some non trivial time learning about stuff I am not currently that much interested in. I am server, web service, engineering and data junkie kind of a guy - html5, svg, gnuplot, R, Qt, can display any data I can think of at the moment. This is completely unfamiliar area to me. Cheers, Tomas On Tue, 2018-05-08 at 21:19 -0700, Ben Koenig wrote: Not exactly Compiz is a window manager that enables desktop effects similar to those found in Mac OS X and Windows Aero. It accomplishes this by drawing application windows to the screen using OpenGL and you graphics card. It is a component of your Desktop Environment. Maximize, minimize, and window manipulation that we expect on a desktop computer is handed by a "Window Manager". Compiz provides these features using opengl on your GPU, so it can go nuts and arrange your desktop in 3 dimensions. Windows Aero MacOS Expo/Mission Control... or in our case the Compiz Desktop Cube. Most DE's such as KDE and whatnot have the ability to run a different WM, therefore drastically changing the way windows are managed. On 05/08/2018 09:00 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: Thanks. So is it a desktop environment like Gnome/kde/lxde/... ? On Tue, May 8, 2018, 8:23 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2018 02:55:17 + Tomas Kuchta dijo: What is Compiz? What is it good for? Can some explain it in a single digestible sentence? Compiz allows the user to add a bit of art to their desktop by altering the appearance of windows and objects. As a common example that I use myself, you can add a shadow around windows. I keep my shadow thin and not very dark so it is just a hint. If you're not artistically inclined, then compiz is not for you. Sorry, that was more than one sentence. Hopefully they were digestible. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Thanks all for trying, I really appreciate it. I am now confused, on the top of just not knowing. I guess, I was naive to seek simple functional description after seeing all those mountains of buzzwords on compiz.org. It gets even worse with more unknown stuff such as Aero and Mac OS - GPU and openGL. Those are not good reference points to me. I guess, it has something to do with 3D, triangles, polygons, vertexes, fills, etc. as in when you want to fill a window frame in games before it gets passed to compositor for screen frame assembly? Or am I completely off track? I thought X does that window decorations and screen frame assembly work. Anyway, thanks again for trying - I thought that it would be easy to just ask. It always is. :-) It seems that I would have to spent some non trivial time learning about stuff I am not currently that much interested in. I am server, web service, engineering and data junkie kind of a guy - html5, svg, gnuplot, R, Qt, can display any data I can think of at the moment. This is completely unfamiliar area to me. Cheers, Tomas On Tue, 2018-05-08 at 21:19 -0700, Ben Koenig wrote: > Not exactly > > Compiz is a window manager that enables desktop effects similar to > those > found in Mac OS X and Windows Aero. It accomplishes this by drawing > application windows to the screen using OpenGL and you graphics card. > It > is a component of your Desktop Environment. > > Maximize, minimize, and window manipulation that we expect on a > desktop > computer is handed by a "Window Manager". Compiz provides these > features > using opengl on your GPU, so it can go nuts and arrange your desktop > in > 3 dimensions. Windows Aero MacOS Expo/Mission Control... or in > our > case the Compiz Desktop Cube. > > > Most DE's such as KDE and whatnot have the ability to run a > different > WM, therefore drastically changing the way windows are managed. > > > On 05/08/2018 09:00 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > > Thanks. > > So is it a desktop environment like Gnome/kde/lxde/... ? > > > > On Tue, May 8, 2018, 8:23 PM John Jason Jordan > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 09 May 2018 02:55:17 + > > > Tomas Kuchta dijo: > > > > > > > What is Compiz? > > > > What is it good for? > > > > Can some explain it in a single digestible sentence? > > > > > > Compiz allows the user to add a bit of art to their desktop by > > > altering > > > the appearance of windows and objects. As a common example that I > > > use > > > myself, you can add a shadow around windows. I keep my shadow > > > thin and > > > not very dark so it is just a hint. If you're not artistically > > > inclined, then compiz is not for you. > > > > > > Sorry, that was more than one sentence. Hopefully they were > > > digestible. > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Not exactly Compiz is a window manager that enables desktop effects similar to those found in Mac OS X and Windows Aero. It accomplishes this by drawing application windows to the screen using OpenGL and you graphics card. It is a component of your Desktop Environment. Maximize, minimize, and window manipulation that we expect on a desktop computer is handed by a "Window Manager". Compiz provides these features using opengl on your GPU, so it can go nuts and arrange your desktop in 3 dimensions. Windows Aero MacOS Expo/Mission Control... or in our case the Compiz Desktop Cube. Most DE's such as KDE and whatnot have the ability to run a different WM, therefore drastically changing the way windows are managed. On 05/08/2018 09:00 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: Thanks. So is it a desktop environment like Gnome/kde/lxde/... ? On Tue, May 8, 2018, 8:23 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2018 02:55:17 + Tomas Kuchta dijo: What is Compiz? What is it good for? Can some explain it in a single digestible sentence? Compiz allows the user to add a bit of art to their desktop by altering the appearance of windows and objects. As a common example that I use myself, you can add a shadow around windows. I keep my shadow thin and not very dark so it is just a hint. If you're not artistically inclined, then compiz is not for you. Sorry, that was more than one sentence. Hopefully they were digestible. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Thanks. So is it a desktop environment like Gnome/kde/lxde/... ? On Tue, May 8, 2018, 8:23 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Wed, 09 May 2018 02:55:17 + > Tomas Kuchta dijo: > > >What is Compiz? > >What is it good for? > >Can some explain it in a single digestible sentence? > > Compiz allows the user to add a bit of art to their desktop by altering > the appearance of windows and objects. As a common example that I use > myself, you can add a shadow around windows. I keep my shadow thin and > not very dark so it is just a hint. If you're not artistically > inclined, then compiz is not for you. > > Sorry, that was more than one sentence. Hopefully they were digestible. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On Wed, 09 May 2018 02:55:17 + Tomas Kuchta dijo: >What is Compiz? >What is it good for? >Can some explain it in a single digestible sentence? Compiz allows the user to add a bit of art to their desktop by altering the appearance of windows and objects. As a common example that I use myself, you can add a shadow around windows. I keep my shadow thin and not very dark so it is just a hint. If you're not artistically inclined, then compiz is not for you. Sorry, that was more than one sentence. Hopefully they were digestible. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
What is Compiz? What is it good for? Can some explain it in a single digestible sentence? I've been resisting to ask as not to provoke something unexpected or show an ignorance; I asked G, as well as compiz.org - but I do not like the BS Bingo answer meaning nothing. Without any rational basis, I always thought that it is some sort of trendy gimmick for shaking windows or such... So, can someone who knows, break it down for me? What does it do? Thanks, T On Tue, May 8, 2018, 7:34 PM Chuck Hast wrote: > I installed Ubuntu Mate, it let me select my favorite, Compiz. I have all > of > the Compiz stuff I like (cube etc) and have plenty of control over it. You > use > the Mate Tweak and go in and change the desktop to what you want. Use > Compiz Config setting manager to set up a bunch of it. > > I tried Ubuntu and found the same thing, too restrictive and none of the > Compiz > stuff worked. They swapped their mamma for an ass... Unity was ugly but I > was able to rapidly replace it with Compiz (it was based in part on Compiz) > and get the screens I wanted, but now kind of like a Linux version of > windows. > > > On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Russell Senior > wrote: > > > So far, not a fan of 18.04. I'd been using Gnome Ubuntu, and pretty > happy > > with it, but it got eaten by Ubuntu this release and in a test install > the > > user interface knobs I came to rely on are both uninstalled out of the > box > > and broken once installed. Ubuntu's power trip over a narrowly-conceived > > user experience hasn't abated significantly afaict. Ghosts of Unity. > > Blech. > > > > On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:42 PM, John Jason Jordan > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 20:48:55 -0800 > > > John Jason Jordan dijo: > > > > > > >VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can > only > > > >install it via Snap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having just dist-upgraded two computers to Ubuntu 18.04 I find that > > > both now have VLC 3.0.1. Unfortunately, the bug that causes it to fail > > > to disable the screensaver is still not fixed. > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > -- > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. > Ph 4:13 KJV > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. > Fil 4:13 RVR1960 > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
I installed Ubuntu Mate, it let me select my favorite, Compiz. I have all of the Compiz stuff I like (cube etc) and have plenty of control over it. You use the Mate Tweak and go in and change the desktop to what you want. Use Compiz Config setting manager to set up a bunch of it. I tried Ubuntu and found the same thing, too restrictive and none of the Compiz stuff worked. They swapped their mamma for an ass... Unity was ugly but I was able to rapidly replace it with Compiz (it was based in part on Compiz) and get the screens I wanted, but now kind of like a Linux version of windows. On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > So far, not a fan of 18.04. I'd been using Gnome Ubuntu, and pretty happy > with it, but it got eaten by Ubuntu this release and in a test install the > user interface knobs I came to rely on are both uninstalled out of the box > and broken once installed. Ubuntu's power trip over a narrowly-conceived > user experience hasn't abated significantly afaict. Ghosts of Unity. > Blech. > > On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:42 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 20:48:55 -0800 > > John Jason Jordan dijo: > > > > >VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can only > > >install it via Snap. > > > > > > > > Having just dist-upgraded two computers to Ubuntu 18.04 I find that > > both now have VLC 3.0.1. Unfortunately, the bug that causes it to fail > > to disable the screensaver is still not fixed. > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ph 4:13 KJV Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. Fil 4:13 RVR1960 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
So far, not a fan of 18.04. I'd been using Gnome Ubuntu, and pretty happy with it, but it got eaten by Ubuntu this release and in a test install the user interface knobs I came to rely on are both uninstalled out of the box and broken once installed. Ubuntu's power trip over a narrowly-conceived user experience hasn't abated significantly afaict. Ghosts of Unity. Blech. On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:42 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 20:48:55 -0800 > John Jason Jordan dijo: > > >VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can only > >install it via Snap. > > > > Having just dist-upgraded two computers to Ubuntu 18.04 I find that > both now have VLC 3.0.1. Unfortunately, the bug that causes it to fail > to disable the screensaver is still not fixed. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 20:48:55 -0800 John Jason Jordan dijo: >VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can only >install it via Snap. Having just dist-upgraded two computers to Ubuntu 18.04 I find that both now have VLC 3.0.1. Unfortunately, the bug that causes it to fail to disable the screensaver is still not fixed. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
(Hopefully this is not a repeat) Avi and mkv are not formats, exactly. They are container standards. An avi can be encoded with any number of algorithms, from mpeg2 to indeo to h264. Same with mkv, but mkv has a lot more payload options, is my impression - so that you can have multiple audio tracks, subtitles, etc. So, I forget which gstreamer utils help you with this, but you can look at that information with that tool suite. There's probably others too, I just dont know em. And bottom line is, its less likely that VLC can't read the container format, and more likely that the codec plugin isnt installed. On Feb 11, 2018 5:01 PM, "John Jason Jordan" wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:31:30 -0800 > Tomas Kuchta dijo: > > >Regarding you Snap container not playing .avi. - This is equivalent to > >not having compiled VLC with .avi support. > > It also wouldn't play .mkv files. And .avi and .mkv are the two most > popular formats for movies and other videos. What were they thinking? > > >There is nothing you can do, short of compiling it yourself and > >creating own .snap or .deb > >I'd wait to Ubuntu guy to make standard .deb that should fix it. > >Alternatively, check if Ubuntu has snap repo - you could install both > >versions - Ubuntu and VLC, or more of them and use each one to play the > >stuff which works in each .snap version. > >Welcome to the world of Snap packages - more freedom for the creator > >projects to not to work with distributions, more freedom for the users > >to install any .snap they can find anywhere - almost as great as > >Windows. Welcome back to the dependency hell - this time though, it > >should not break the system. > > I installed it because I use VLC for several hours every day, so > getting the latest and greatest (3.0) was very enticing. However, I > later checked out what the new version does that 2.2.6 does not and it > turns out that it enables Chromecast (which I have no use for), and it > changes the icons and moves them around so I can't find them. Bah. I > have gone back to 2.2.6 and I will stay there. > > As for snap, it is quite possibly the wave of the future, but > definitely not yet ready for prime time. Here is a web page explaining > it in more detail: > > https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/ > > And yes, there is apparently already an Ubuntu snap repository, > although it has only a few packages so far, Interestingly, one of them > is the core, even on my laptop with 14.04.5: > > $ snap list > Name Version Rev Developer Notes > core 16-2.30 3887 canonical core > > For those curious about snap I recommend reading the above itsfoss.com > web site. Even I understood it. :) > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Color me snap-skeptical. -- Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > Regarding you Snap container not playing .avi. - This is equivalent to not > having compiled VLC with .avi support. > > There is nothing you can do, short of compiling it yourself and creating > own .snap or .deb > > I'd wait to Ubuntu guy to make standard .deb that should fix it. > Alternatively, check if Ubuntu has snap repo - you could install both > versions - Ubuntu and VLC, or more of them and use each one to play the > stuff which works in each .snap version. > > Welcome to the world of Snap packages - more freedom for the creator > projects to not to work with distributions, more freedom for the users to > install any .snap they can find anywhere - almost as great as Windows. > Welcome back to the dependency hell - this time though, it should not break > the system. > > I bet that this is not quite what the .snap was intended to solve. > > -T > > On Feb 10, 2018 8:27 PM, "John Jason Jordan" wrote: > > On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:46:14 -0800 > Nat Taylor dijo: > >>snap includes all the dependencies in the .snap, I believe. Like an >>app on osx > > I don't know about that. My experience this evening leads me to > question what is included. > > I started at 5:30 playing PBS news from the HDHomeRun tuner on VLC 3.0. > That worked fine. When it was over I closed down the tuner and VLC. > Then I selected a movie .avi file to play. I double clicked on the .avi > file and nothing happened. Then I launched VLC and tried to open > the .avi file by Media > Open File, but it didn't see the .avi file. I > set it to 'All Files' and then it finally saw the .avi file, but it > wouldn't open it. No error message, it just wouldn't open it. Finally I > gave up on the .avi file and tried a .mkv file. Same results. > > At that point I did: > > snap remove vlc > sudo apt-get install vlc > > Afterward double-clicking on the .avi file opens it in VLC. That is, > VLC 2.2.6 (Umbrella). I don't know what's wrong with 3.0, but it's not > ready for prime time. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:31:30 -0800 Tomas Kuchta dijo: >Regarding you Snap container not playing .avi. - This is equivalent to >not having compiled VLC with .avi support. It also wouldn't play .mkv files. And .avi and .mkv are the two most popular formats for movies and other videos. What were they thinking? >There is nothing you can do, short of compiling it yourself and >creating own .snap or .deb >I'd wait to Ubuntu guy to make standard .deb that should fix it. >Alternatively, check if Ubuntu has snap repo - you could install both >versions - Ubuntu and VLC, or more of them and use each one to play the >stuff which works in each .snap version. >Welcome to the world of Snap packages - more freedom for the creator >projects to not to work with distributions, more freedom for the users >to install any .snap they can find anywhere - almost as great as >Windows. Welcome back to the dependency hell - this time though, it >should not break the system. I installed it because I use VLC for several hours every day, so getting the latest and greatest (3.0) was very enticing. However, I later checked out what the new version does that 2.2.6 does not and it turns out that it enables Chromecast (which I have no use for), and it changes the icons and moves them around so I can't find them. Bah. I have gone back to 2.2.6 and I will stay there. As for snap, it is quite possibly the wave of the future, but definitely not yet ready for prime time. Here is a web page explaining it in more detail: https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/ And yes, there is apparently already an Ubuntu snap repository, although it has only a few packages so far, Interestingly, one of them is the core, even on my laptop with 14.04.5: $ snap list Name Version Rev Developer Notes core 16-2.30 3887 canonical core For those curious about snap I recommend reading the above itsfoss.com web site. Even I understood it. :) ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
Regarding you Snap container not playing .avi. - This is equivalent to not having compiled VLC with .avi support. There is nothing you can do, short of compiling it yourself and creating own .snap or .deb I'd wait to Ubuntu guy to make standard .deb that should fix it. Alternatively, check if Ubuntu has snap repo - you could install both versions - Ubuntu and VLC, or more of them and use each one to play the stuff which works in each .snap version. Welcome to the world of Snap packages - more freedom for the creator projects to not to work with distributions, more freedom for the users to install any .snap they can find anywhere - almost as great as Windows. Welcome back to the dependency hell - this time though, it should not break the system. I bet that this is not quite what the .snap was intended to solve. -T On Feb 10, 2018 8:27 PM, "John Jason Jordan" wrote: On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:46:14 -0800 Nat Taylor dijo: >snap includes all the dependencies in the .snap, I believe. Like an >app on osx I don't know about that. My experience this evening leads me to question what is included. I started at 5:30 playing PBS news from the HDHomeRun tuner on VLC 3.0. That worked fine. When it was over I closed down the tuner and VLC. Then I selected a movie .avi file to play. I double clicked on the .avi file and nothing happened. Then I launched VLC and tried to open the .avi file by Media > Open File, but it didn't see the .avi file. I set it to 'All Files' and then it finally saw the .avi file, but it wouldn't open it. No error message, it just wouldn't open it. Finally I gave up on the .avi file and tried a .mkv file. Same results. At that point I did: snap remove vlc sudo apt-get install vlc Afterward double-clicking on the .avi file opens it in VLC. That is, VLC 2.2.6 (Umbrella). I don't know what's wrong with 3.0, but it's not ready for prime time. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:46:14 -0800 Nat Taylor dijo: >snap includes all the dependencies in the .snap, I believe. Like an >app on osx I don't know about that. My experience this evening leads me to question what is included. I started at 5:30 playing PBS news from the HDHomeRun tuner on VLC 3.0. That worked fine. When it was over I closed down the tuner and VLC. Then I selected a movie .avi file to play. I double clicked on the .avi file and nothing happened. Then I launched VLC and tried to open the .avi file by Media > Open File, but it didn't see the .avi file. I set it to 'All Files' and then it finally saw the .avi file, but it wouldn't open it. No error message, it just wouldn't open it. Finally I gave up on the .avi file and tried a .mkv file. Same results. At that point I did: snap remove vlc sudo apt-get install vlc Afterward double-clicking on the .avi file opens it in VLC. That is, VLC 2.2.6 (Umbrella). I don't know what's wrong with 3.0, but it's not ready for prime time. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
snap includes all the dependencies in the .snap, I believe. Like an app on osx On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:04 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:18:13 -0800 > Tim Garton dijo: > > >From what I've read online, I don't think the Linux version of 3.0 has > >been released yet. I could be mistaken though > > I had it installed, so definitely released. But you have to install it > with Snap; there are no .deb or .rpm packages yet. And from what I read > on the VLC forums, they apparently have no intention of releasing .deb > or .rpm packages. You can get the source, however, so I assume distro > managers will soon make .debs and .rpms. > > This is my first time ever installing something with Snap. It's kind of > strange and so far I'm not sure I like it. But my opinion will probably > improve after I learn more about how it works and how to use it. After > installing Snap, to install vlc you just do 'snap install vlc.' But > unlike using apt-get where lines and lines of procedures appear in the > terminal and remain there after apt-get finishes installing the > application, Snap echoes lines explaining what it's doing, but they > disappear immediately, too fast to read, being replaced by the next > line. When it finished my terminal said: > > $sudo snap install vlc > $vlc 3.0.0 from 'videolan' installed > > I had no record of the myriad things it did during the installation. > There is probably an option to make the lines remain, but if I cannot > see what it did after it finishes, Snap is not for me. > > I also note that there is now a root folder 'snap,' containing a readme > file. In the readme it says 'the disk space consumed by the content > under this directory is minimal as the real snap content never leaves > the .snap file, Snaps are *mounted* rather than unpacked.' Sounds > sort of like like .AppImage files. > > If anyone really understands Snap it might make a topic for a general > meeting talk. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:18:13 -0800 Tim Garton dijo: >From what I've read online, I don't think the Linux version of 3.0 has >been released yet. I could be mistaken though I had it installed, so definitely released. But you have to install it with Snap; there are no .deb or .rpm packages yet. And from what I read on the VLC forums, they apparently have no intention of releasing .deb or .rpm packages. You can get the source, however, so I assume distro managers will soon make .debs and .rpms. This is my first time ever installing something with Snap. It's kind of strange and so far I'm not sure I like it. But my opinion will probably improve after I learn more about how it works and how to use it. After installing Snap, to install vlc you just do 'snap install vlc.' But unlike using apt-get where lines and lines of procedures appear in the terminal and remain there after apt-get finishes installing the application, Snap echoes lines explaining what it's doing, but they disappear immediately, too fast to read, being replaced by the next line. When it finished my terminal said: $sudo snap install vlc $vlc 3.0.0 from 'videolan' installed I had no record of the myriad things it did during the installation. There is probably an option to make the lines remain, but if I cannot see what it did after it finishes, Snap is not for me. I also note that there is now a root folder 'snap,' containing a readme file. In the readme it says 'the disk space consumed by the content under this directory is minimal as the real snap content never leaves the .snap file, Snaps are *mounted* rather than unpacked.' Sounds sort of like like .AppImage files. If anyone really understands Snap it might make a topic for a general meeting talk. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
>From what I've read online, I don't think the Linux version of 3.0 has been released yet. I could be mistaken though On Feb 9, 2018 11:10 PM, "Tomas Kuchta" wrote: > With snap you can have more than one version to coexist unlike with apt. > > If you are bothered about the message. Try removing the snap version too. > Apt update and install the snap again. > > I would trust what VLC says internally though. > > > > On Feb 9, 2018 8:49 PM, "John Jason Jordan" wrote: > > VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can only > install it via Snap. I installed Snap (sudo apt-get install snapd), and > then VLC, but I got extremely strange results. Prior to this the > version of VLC on my computer was 2.2.6 (Umbrella). Afterward I had > both installed. Apparently Snap things are in a different world from > apt-get things. I had working launch entries for both versions. > > One of the things that I use VLC for just about every day is playing > television from my HDHomeRun tuner. Unfortunately, starting the tuner > invoked 2.2.6, not 3.0. So I uninstalled 2.2.6 (sudo apt-get remove > vlc). It appeared in Synaptic as not installed. Now here's the weird > part that makes no sense: The only version of VLC installed on the > computer is 3.0, but when I open the HDHomeRun tuner and launch VLC, > the About popup in VLC says that it is 2.2.6. But 2.2.6 is certainly not > installed. > > Major head scratching. Ubuntu forums are no help. Does anyone have an > idea about what is going on? > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VLC 3.0
With snap you can have more than one version to coexist unlike with apt. If you are bothered about the message. Try removing the snap version too. Apt update and install the snap again. I would trust what VLC says internally though. On Feb 9, 2018 8:49 PM, "John Jason Jordan" wrote: VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can only install it via Snap. I installed Snap (sudo apt-get install snapd), and then VLC, but I got extremely strange results. Prior to this the version of VLC on my computer was 2.2.6 (Umbrella). Afterward I had both installed. Apparently Snap things are in a different world from apt-get things. I had working launch entries for both versions. One of the things that I use VLC for just about every day is playing television from my HDHomeRun tuner. Unfortunately, starting the tuner invoked 2.2.6, not 3.0. So I uninstalled 2.2.6 (sudo apt-get remove vlc). It appeared in Synaptic as not installed. Now here's the weird part that makes no sense: The only version of VLC installed on the computer is 3.0, but when I open the HDHomeRun tuner and launch VLC, the About popup in VLC says that it is 2.2.6. But 2.2.6 is certainly not installed. Major head scratching. Ubuntu forums are no help. Does anyone have an idea about what is going on? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] VLC 3.0
VLC 3.0 has recently been released, but at this time Ubuntians can only install it via Snap. I installed Snap (sudo apt-get install snapd), and then VLC, but I got extremely strange results. Prior to this the version of VLC on my computer was 2.2.6 (Umbrella). Afterward I had both installed. Apparently Snap things are in a different world from apt-get things. I had working launch entries for both versions. One of the things that I use VLC for just about every day is playing television from my HDHomeRun tuner. Unfortunately, starting the tuner invoked 2.2.6, not 3.0. So I uninstalled 2.2.6 (sudo apt-get remove vlc). It appeared in Synaptic as not installed. Now here's the weird part that makes no sense: The only version of VLC installed on the computer is 3.0, but when I open the HDHomeRun tuner and launch VLC, the About popup in VLC says that it is 2.2.6. But 2.2.6 is certainly not installed. Major head scratching. Ubuntu forums are no help. Does anyone have an idea about what is going on? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
