Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Richard England]

On 9/12/18 5:00 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard  dijo:


   Less than obvious way:

wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg

   Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
work; inkscape might.

Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
viewer wouldn't open it.

The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
problem.

In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
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Consider taking the file to a FedEx or UPS / Copy center where they 
advertise printing posters.


~R

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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, Robert Citek wrote:


I've seen in the past you've used Chromium OS. I'm not familiar with it on
desktops, although I have used Chromebooks for a few years now. Would that
meet your criteria?


Robert,

  Chromium is the open source version of Google's Chrom browser. A chrombook
won't work as I want to sell the older, but unused, system that I just got
working. I decided to upgrade to current technology instead and sell the old
system for less than the cost of the individual parts based on the lowest
prices at Amazon, eBay, and Newegg.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Robert Citek]

Hello Rich,

I've seen in the past you've used Chromium OS.  I'm not familiar with it on
desktops, although I have used Chromebooks for a few years now.  Would that
meet your criteria?

Regards,
- Robert

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>I'm building a system for a user new to linux and know that Slackware is
> not the preferred distribution for such a user. The various Debian
> offspring
> seem to be very popular, but it seems to me to be a very large family.
> Would
> xubuntu be an easy to learn, stable, reliable distribution for this type of
> user? Or is there something else that you'd recommend?
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting people
use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.


  A roll of butcher paper would probably do. ;-)

  It's a _really_ big image, especially when enlarged enough to read.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Tomas Kuchta]

SVG is ordinary Xml vector format description. I generate it as such for my
work. You can edit it in text editor and verify in a browser.

Tomas

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 5:15 PM Russell Senior 
wrote:

> SVG is scalable vector graphics. You can look at it as text. I don't see
> bitmaps.
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 5:00 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > Rich Shepard  dijo:
> >
> > >   Less than obvious way:
> > >
> > >wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg
> > >
> > >   Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
> > > work; inkscape might.
> >
> > Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
> > viewer wouldn't open it.
> >
> > The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
> > select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
> > problem.
> >
> > In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
> > nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
> > people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Russell Senior]

SVG is scalable vector graphics. You can look at it as text. I don't see
bitmaps.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 5:00 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
> Rich Shepard  dijo:
>
> >   Less than obvious way:
> >
> >wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg
> >
> >   Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
> > work; inkscape might.
>
> Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
> viewer wouldn't open it.
>
> The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
> select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
> problem.
>
> In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
> nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
> people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>   Less than obvious way:
>
>wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg
>
>   Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
> work; inkscape might.

Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
viewer wouldn't open it. 

The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
problem.

In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Denis Heidtmann]

File menu, save as.  At least in Firefox this worked.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:35 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
> Rich Shepard  dijo:
>
> >.
>
> I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
> download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that
> will print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd
> try it to see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to
> download it.
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Russell Senior]

Right click, Save Page as ...

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:35 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
> Rich Shepard  dijo:
>
> >.
>
> I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
> download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that
> will print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd
> try it to see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to
> download it.
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that will
print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd try it to
see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to download it.


John,

  Less than obvious way:

wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg

  Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to work;
inkscape might.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>. 

I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that
will print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd
try it to see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to
download it.
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, Mike C. wrote:


In fact, one can use an apt like package manager called slapt-get or a
NetBSD's pkgsrc which supports Slackware.


Mike,

  I think that most of us use slackpkg to install and update base packages,
and sbopkg for the abundant Slackbuilds.org packages that produce the same
*.tgz package formats. Pat's taken the core distribution compressor to xz so
those packages are *.txz.

  Debian and Slackware (in alphabetical order) are the two early
distributions (remember ydraghil or however that was spelled?) from way back
when. Both spawned many progeny and great-great-grandchildren by now. If you
want to see the history of linux the latest chart (adding new distributions
and dropping those that died) look here:
. It's quite
fascinating. Perhaps Free Geek would print this on a wall-size chart and put
it up in their meeting room.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Mike C.]

>
> On 09/12/2018 11:22 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> >  ? I'm building a system for a user new to linux and know that Slackware
> is
> > not the preferred distribution for such a user. The various Debian
> > offspring
> > seem to be very popular, but it seems to me to be a very large family.
> > Would
> > xubuntu be an easy to learn, stable, reliable distribution for this type
> of
> > user? Or is there something else that you'd recommend?
>
> I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
> distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.
>
> With Slack being a decedent of the RPM tree, I would suggest considering
> Fedora unless you are also fluent in .deb, apt, and dpkg.
>
> dafr
>

GUI software managers that look and work like other commonly known app
stores are ubiquitous these days and don't require fluency of Debian
package tools.

Free Geek has chosen to install Mint on all the computers they sell. Mint
has a simple, clean ad intuitive desktop experience. Although I prefer it
to XFCE, I think the benefit for both you and the new user is that they
could go to Free Geek for tech support.

Also, for the sake of clarity and accuracy, Slackware isn't a "descendant
of the RPM tree." Slackware was originally based on the Softlanding Linux
System and was the basis Suse and other distros.

RPM is a package manager. Package managers connect to software package
repositories and provide software dependency resolution. Slackware doesn't
have an official package repository like Debian or Red Hat nor does it come
with a built-in package manager such as apt or yum.

In fact, one can use an apt like package manager called slapt-get or a
NetBSD's pkgsrc which supports Slackware.
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

My own preference is the MATE version of MINT but they are all good.

-Dave


On 9/12/2018 1:07 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, David wrote:

Linux MINT. Easy choice IMHO. (Former Ubuntu user plus many others 
over the decades.)


  Well, two votes for Linux MINT makes for an overwhelming response. 
Thank to

you, too, David.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, David wrote:

Linux MINT. Easy choice IMHO. (Former Ubuntu user plus many others over the 
decades.)


  Well, two votes for Linux MINT makes for an overwhelming response. Thank to
you, too, David.

Regards,

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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[David]

Linux MINT. Easy choice IMHO. (Former Ubuntu user plus many others over 
the decades.)



On 9/12/2018 12:39 PM, c wrote:

Take a look at linux mint. Its pretty friendly to people coming from
windows. People say that the mint distro with cinnamon is closest to a
windows experience. Personally I prefer the mate desktop.

I generally lean towards recommending something based on ubuntu, so ubuntu
mate or linux mint are my first recommendations for somebody new to linux.

Purcell

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:07 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:


On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, David wrote:


I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.

David,

Not an issue. I won't be doing any support. :-) That's why I want
something stable and easy to learn.

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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[c]

Take a look at linux mint. Its pretty friendly to people coming from
windows. People say that the mint distro with cinnamon is closest to a
windows experience. Personally I prefer the mate desktop.

I generally lean towards recommending something based on ubuntu, so ubuntu
mate or linux mint are my first recommendations for somebody new to linux.

Purcell

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:07 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, David wrote:
>
> > I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
> > distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.
>
> David,
>
>Not an issue. I won't be doing any support. :-) That's why I want
> something stable and easy to learn.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, David wrote:


I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.


David,

  Not an issue. I won't be doing any support. :-) That's why I want
something stable and easy to learn.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[David]

On 09/12/2018 11:22 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:

   I'm building a system for a user new to linux and know that Slackware is
not the preferred distribution for such a user. The various Debian 
offspring
seem to be very popular, but it seems to me to be a very large family. 
Would

xubuntu be an easy to learn, stable, reliable distribution for this type of
user? Or is there something else that you'd recommend?


I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which 
distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.


With Slack being a decedent of the RPM tree, I would suggest considering 
Fedora unless you are also fluent in .deb, apt, and dpkg.


dafr
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[PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

[Rich Shepard]

  I'm building a system for a user new to linux and know that Slackware is
not the preferred distribution for such a user. The various Debian offspring
seem to be very popular, but it seems to me to be a very large family. Would
xubuntu be an easy to learn, stable, reliable distribution for this type of
user? Or is there something else that you'd recommend?

Rich

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