Re: [PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
Hello, Additional side note on zoom. You can run it just through the browser instead of their application. You get most of the same features. pwa.zoom.us Just when joining a meeting it will ask to launch the app but below there is a launch in browser option. They are actually discontinuing the app for chrome os. On Wed, Sep 7, 2022, 23:04 American Citizen wrote: > To all: > > It's been a really bumpy ride activating the appropriate video drivers > for my Nvidia GEForce 710T vga card. > > Here's what lsmod shows now > > owner@localhost:~> lsmod | grep nv > nvidia_drm 69632 6 > nvidia_modeset 1204224 16 nvidia_drm > nvidia_uvm 1130496 0 > nvidia 35471360 845 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset > drm_kms_helper303104 1 nvidia_drm > drm 630784 10 drm_kms_helper,nvidia,nvidia_drm > > so my system is now running with native Nvidia drivers (signed, btw) > > What is missing is the fact that the OpenSuse Leap 15.4 is using signed > kernel modules, and my HP 420 Workstation is a UEFI system, expecting > signing keys before enabling kernel modules, and having to manually sign > modules eluded me. > > Worse, Nvidia listed the WRONG driver to download the G06 series > although their website says G06 for the 710T card, but an error message > from the kernel during boot time, lecturing me that I could NOT install > the 515 series drivers, caused me to go back and drop back down to the > legacy 471.141 series. Fortunately I had installed the Nvidia repository > so I could make the change under openSuse's yast2 program or zypper. > > btw: trying to do the native Nvidia install forces the UEFI user to > enter both a public and private key and I have NO idea where they are > stored, although running the mokutil --list-all is useful, but still > doesn't tell you where the keys are. > > I had to reboot, but then enter the UEFI firmware, remove the G06 key > and install the G05 key. After all this, I was able to bring up Leap > 15.4 without a hitch, so I am running nvidia modules directly now > > All this is like a gob-smacker, to someone who's never done this before > (me) so I had to work my way through all of this carefully. > > Thanks for all the replies, they are appreciated! > > - Randall > > >
Re: [PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
To all: It's been a really bumpy ride activating the appropriate video drivers for my Nvidia GEForce 710T vga card. Here's what lsmod shows now owner@localhost:~> lsmod | grep nv nvidia_drm 69632 6 nvidia_modeset 1204224 16 nvidia_drm nvidia_uvm 1130496 0 nvidia 35471360 845 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset drm_kms_helper 303104 1 nvidia_drm drm 630784 10 drm_kms_helper,nvidia,nvidia_drm so my system is now running with native Nvidia drivers (signed, btw) What is missing is the fact that the OpenSuse Leap 15.4 is using signed kernel modules, and my HP 420 Workstation is a UEFI system, expecting signing keys before enabling kernel modules, and having to manually sign modules eluded me. Worse, Nvidia listed the WRONG driver to download the G06 series although their website says G06 for the 710T card, but an error message from the kernel during boot time, lecturing me that I could NOT install the 515 series drivers, caused me to go back and drop back down to the legacy 471.141 series. Fortunately I had installed the Nvidia repository so I could make the change under openSuse's yast2 program or zypper. btw: trying to do the native Nvidia install forces the UEFI user to enter both a public and private key and I have NO idea where they are stored, although running the mokutil --list-all is useful, but still doesn't tell you where the keys are. I had to reboot, but then enter the UEFI firmware, remove the G06 key and install the G05 key. After all this, I was able to bring up Leap 15.4 without a hitch, so I am running nvidia modules directly now All this is like a gob-smacker, to someone who's never done this before (me) so I had to work my way through all of this carefully. Thanks for all the replies, they are appreciated! - Randall
Re: [PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
On 9/6/22 17:30, American Citizen wrote: > Hi all: ... > My system is 64 bit, Linux localhost 5.14.21-150400.24.18-default #1 SMP > PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Aug 4 14:17:48 UTC 2022 (e9f7bfc) x86_64 x86_64 > x86_64 GNU/Linux openSuse system, at current levels. > > After this mysterious crash, I decided to look at the state of graphics > drivers for my Nvidia GEForce series 710 graphics card which is the only > graphics card I have. > > Unfortunately lsmod shows that nouveau graphics driver is active, and > even though I enabled the Nvidia G06 drivers nouveau is active because you didn't turn it off. nvidia and nouveau can not coexist. The current Nvidia driver for the Geforce GT 700 series is nviidia-141-03 (Legacy) released 2022.8.2 Most distros do a poor job of updating for bug fixes and kernel compatibility, as well as proper conflict checking. They also do a poor job rebuilding the nvidia kernel module when the linux kernel is updated. "on the fly' updates can and will crash X. ALSO! on a 64-bit system, Nvidia no longer supports 32-bit GPU drivers. Depending on your repository, be careful what packages you choose. 32-bit compatibility is only available for the userspace libraries (/usr/lib) - not the kernel driver and modules. > If I attempt to remove the nouveau kernal modules, the x-server > complains, and expects nouveau to be installed as the PRIMARY video > driver, in fact it demands it!! You can't willy nilly remove X and kernel components. To use the Nvidia proprietary binary blob, per the Nvidia instructions, you must BLACKLIST the nouveau module. Since nouveau is a CONFLICT and not DEPENDENCY I hazard a guess that OpenSuse is too stupid to know the difference. # cat /etc/modprobe.d/BLACKLIST-nouveau.conf # Do not load the kernel nouveau dri module, since it interferes with both # the nv and binary nvidia drivers. blacklist nouveau > But, and this is really confusing, the KDE desktop alludes to 4 graphics > systems installed: > > egl > glx > vulkan > x-server MESA (1st 3), X (4th) and the kernel DRM modules ARE the GPU drivers. You need them all (and quite a few others). Desktop environments (such as KDE) depend on MESA and X, but do NOT provide them. -kb
Re: [PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 07:03:37 -0700 Michael Barnes wrote: > There are all kinds of strange horror stories about weird things happening > to computers during Zoom meetings. People have experienced configuration > changes, unusual file uploads and downloads, spyware, hacked bank accounts, > stolen information, etc. There have been several FBI investigations into > Zoom over this. Do you have any articles about that, or links to more info? I also don't use Zoom on my computer, though can't really afford a second one to quarantine Zoom on it. But it'd be nice to learn about some evidence instead of just the natural suspicion when someone brandishes a scalpel then tells you to lay down and expose your belly, and you're not allowed to know why.
Re: [PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
There are all kinds of strange horror stories about weird things happening to computers during Zoom meetings. People have experienced configuration changes, unusual file uploads and downloads, spyware, hacked bank accounts, stolen information, etc. There have been several FBI investigations into Zoom over this. Personally, I do not allow Zoom software on any of my computers. I use an appliance for any Zoom meetings I need to attend. Yes, I am limited that I cannot do screen sharing, click links, download files, etc. But I have peace of mind they don't have their hooks in my systems. Michael On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 21:29 Tomas Kuchta wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 20:30 American Citizen > wrote: > > > Hi all: > > > > . > > > I use openSuSE for decades by now and I have no clue. I once had similar > trouble, over and over fighting with Nvidia. In the end I swore, no more, > and kept it by using Intel graphics and now AMD. That kept me out of the > trouble and happy linux user. So, many thanks to Intel for excellent > support and now AMD for following the same path. > > Could this guide help you? > https://opensuse-guide.org/3d.php > > Best, Tomas > > > >
Re: [PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 20:30 American Citizen wrote: > Hi all: > > . I use openSuSE for decades by now and I have no clue. I once had similar trouble, over and over fighting with Nvidia. In the end I swore, no more, and kept it by using Intel graphics and now AMD. That kept me out of the trouble and happy linux user. So, many thanks to Intel for excellent support and now AMD for following the same path. Could this guide help you? https://opensuse-guide.org/3d.php Best, Tomas >
Re: [PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
In the vein of not answering the question but instead making a side comment, I always connect to a video conference ( Zoom, Jitsi, Google Meet, etc. ) with at least two different devices: my smart phone and a laptop. They also are via two different data paths: cell and Ethernet. In the event one goes down, I can let people know with the other device. That doesn’t happen often, but it’s nice to have that fallback when it does. Regards, - Robert On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 6:30 PM American Citizen wrote: > Hi all: > > Yesterday, I was in a key Zoom meeting with a person, talking for about > 10 mins, setting up the interview, when BOOM!, the openSuse linx Leap > 15.4 system suddenly dropped down to initlevel 3 and all the graphics > screens were erased. (later investigations showed the xserver software > was actually scrubbed from my active OS and I had to do a reinstall of > the xserver software) > > My system is 64 bit, Linux localhost 5.14.21-150400.24.18-default #1 SMP > PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Aug 4 14:17:48 UTC 2022 (e9f7bfc) x86_64 x86_64 > x86_64 GNU/Linux openSuse system, at current levels. > > After this mysterious crash, I decided to look at the state of graphics > drivers for my Nvidia GEForce series 710 graphics card which is the only > graphics card I have. > > Unfortunately lsmod shows that nouveau graphics driver is active, and > even though I enabled the Nvidia G06 drivers > > lsmod shows: Reading installed packages... > > S | Name| Summary | Type > > ---+-+---+ > i+ | nvidia-computeG06 | NVIDIA driver for computing with > GPGPU| package > i | nvidia-computeG06-32bit | 32bit NVIDIA driver for computing > with GPGPU | package > i | nvidia-gfxG06-kmp-default | NVIDIA graphics driver kernel module > for GeForce 700 series and newer | package > i+ | nvidia-glG06| NVIDIA OpenGL libraries for OpenGL > acceleration | package > i | nvidia-glG06-32bit | 32bit NVIDIA OpenGL libraries for > OpenGL acceleration | package > i+ | x11-video-nvidiaG06 | NVIDIA graphics driver for GeForce > 700 series and newer | package > i | x11-video-nvidiaG06-32bit | 32bit NVIDIA graphics driver for > GeForce 700 series and newer | package > > Unfortunately, and to me, disconcerting, lsmod does NOT show a single > nvidia mod installed, but rather the nouveau drivers or kernal modules > instead. > > localhost:/home/owner # lsmod | grep nou > nouveau 2351104 4 > video 57344 1 nouveau > drm_ttm_helper 16384 1 nouveau > ttm81920 2 drm_ttm_helper,nouveau > i2c_algo_bit 16384 1 nouveau > mxm_wmi16384 1 nouveau > drm_kms_helper303104 1 nouveau > drm 630784 8 drm_kms_helper,drm_ttm_helper,ttm,nouveau > wmi36864 4 hp_wmi,wmi_bmof,mxm_wmi,nouveau > button 24576 1 nouveau > > > If I attempt to remove the nouveau kernal modules, the x-server > complains, and expects nouveau to be installed as the PRIMARY video > driver, in fact it demands it!! > > But I only have a lowly GE Force 710 card. (and yes, I installed the > Nvidia software repository so I could install the Nvidia native drivers > for this card and I did install the appropriate G06 drivers according to > Yast2. > > But, and this is really confusing, the KDE desktop alludes to 4 graphics > systems installed: > > egl > glx > vulkan > x-server > > I know that Mesa has some video drivers installed on my system. > > But my question is this, > > How do I get everything down to a simple Nvidia Ge Force 710 graphics > card? (and run the KDE desktop?) > > - Randall > >
[PLUG] trying to simplify my Linux operating system graphics components
Hi all: Yesterday, I was in a key Zoom meeting with a person, talking for about 10 mins, setting up the interview, when BOOM!, the openSuse linx Leap 15.4 system suddenly dropped down to initlevel 3 and all the graphics screens were erased. (later investigations showed the xserver software was actually scrubbed from my active OS and I had to do a reinstall of the xserver software) My system is 64 bit, Linux localhost 5.14.21-150400.24.18-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Aug 4 14:17:48 UTC 2022 (e9f7bfc) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux openSuse system, at current levels. After this mysterious crash, I decided to look at the state of graphics drivers for my Nvidia GEForce series 710 graphics card which is the only graphics card I have. Unfortunately lsmod shows that nouveau graphics driver is active, and even though I enabled the Nvidia G06 drivers lsmod shows: Reading installed packages... S | Name | Summary | Type ---+-+---+ i+ | nvidia-computeG06 | NVIDIA driver for computing with GPGPU | package i | nvidia-computeG06-32bit | 32bit NVIDIA driver for computing with GPGPU | package i | nvidia-gfxG06-kmp-default | NVIDIA graphics driver kernel module for GeForce 700 series and newer | package i+ | nvidia-glG06 | NVIDIA OpenGL libraries for OpenGL acceleration | package i | nvidia-glG06-32bit | 32bit NVIDIA OpenGL libraries for OpenGL acceleration | package i+ | x11-video-nvidiaG06 | NVIDIA graphics driver for GeForce 700 series and newer | package i | x11-video-nvidiaG06-32bit | 32bit NVIDIA graphics driver for GeForce 700 series and newer | package Unfortunately, and to me, disconcerting, lsmod does NOT show a single nvidia mod installed, but rather the nouveau drivers or kernal modules instead. localhost:/home/owner # lsmod | grep nou nouveau 2351104 4 video 57344 1 nouveau drm_ttm_helper 16384 1 nouveau ttm 81920 2 drm_ttm_helper,nouveau i2c_algo_bit 16384 1 nouveau mxm_wmi 16384 1 nouveau drm_kms_helper 303104 1 nouveau drm 630784 8 drm_kms_helper,drm_ttm_helper,ttm,nouveau wmi 36864 4 hp_wmi,wmi_bmof,mxm_wmi,nouveau button 24576 1 nouveau If I attempt to remove the nouveau kernal modules, the x-server complains, and expects nouveau to be installed as the PRIMARY video driver, in fact it demands it!! But I only have a lowly GE Force 710 card. (and yes, I installed the Nvidia software repository so I could install the Nvidia native drivers for this card and I did install the appropriate G06 drivers according to Yast2. But, and this is really confusing, the KDE desktop alludes to 4 graphics systems installed: egl glx vulkan x-server I know that Mesa has some video drivers installed on my system. But my question is this, How do I get everything down to a simple Nvidia Ge Force 710 graphics card? (and run the KDE desktop?) - Randall
