Re: Another Group Question
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Jordan ken.w.jor...@gmail.com wrote: Could they use scp instead? I think you're expecting too much of Alice and Bob. They have a client that they like, and they're sticking with it, no matter what we recommend. The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? -- Joseph http://blog.josephhall.com/ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP client is anti-social and if she persists in using it, you'll lock her account and inform management that she's a terrorist. -- XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it. - Chris Maden /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On 06 May 2010, at 11:31, Stuart Jansen wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP client is anti-social and if she persists in using it, you'll lock her account and inform management that she's a terrorist. LOL, I need to use that line more often with my clients. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On 05/06/2010 11:23 AM, Joseph Hall wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Jordanken.w.jor...@gmail.com wrote: Could they use scp instead? I think you're expecting too much of Alice and Bob. They have a client that they like, and they're sticking with it, no matter what we recommend. The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? I used to help people set up FTP clients, but one day I decided to set up a simple batch file for my sister. The batch file calls Cygwin's rsync, which transfers over ssh. Now all she has to do is double-click a desktop icon and wait a few seconds. She is *much* happier with this solution than she ever was with any FTP client. Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On Thu, 06 May 2010 11:31:06 -0600 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP client is anti-social and if she persists in using it, you'll lock her account and inform management that she's a terrorist. She's a drug running pedophile illegal immigrant right wing nut terrorist. Maybe even a [Democrat|Republican]. Who smokes. Did I forget anything? -- Charles Curley /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: ntp-client
On 05/03/2010 04:18 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: On 05/03/2010 03:05 PM, Merrill Oveson wrote: I've got ntpd running, and I guess it's querying the time servers out and syncing the time. Question: How can I verify this? I presume you're using the standard ntpd program, (often called xntpd) and not OpenBSD's OpenNTP. xntpd was the NTPv3-based version of ntp, the NTPv4 release (see http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/release.html). I typically use the ntpdc utility. The command you would use is peers. For example: It's a hack, but ntpdc might still be useful in some cases. Use ntpq -p and ntpq -c rv to get the info you're interested in. Second Question: what is ntp-client used for. I can't seem to find a good answer on the internet. Do I even need this? What distro? Maybe it's just the ntpdate command, for use with a cron, rather than a daemon process that continually syncs the clock and lets other computers sync against your computer. Sounds like the most likely explanation. I don't see ntp-client on any of my systems. Frank -- Frank Sorenson - KD7TZK Linux Systems Engineer, DSS Engineering, UBS AG fr...@tuxrocks.com /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
Quoting Charles Curley charlescur...@charlescurley.com: On Thu, 06 May 2010 11:31:06 -0600 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP client is anti-social and if she persists in using it, you'll lock her account and inform management that she's a terrorist. She's a drug running pedophile illegal immigrant right wing nut terrorist. Maybe even a [Democrat|Republican]. Who smokes. Did I forget anything? Marxist. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Quoting Charles Curley charlescur...@charlescurley.com: On Thu, 06 May 2010 11:31:06 -0600 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP client is anti-social and if she persists in using it, you'll lock her account and inform management that she's a terrorist. She's a drug running pedophile illegal immigrant right wing nut terrorist. Maybe even a [Democrat|Republican]. Who smokes. Did I forget anything? Marxist. I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a world of assault talk show hosts, etc., maybe they aren't. You are right, I should have included it. -- Charles Curley /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On 05/06/2010 11:48 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: I used to help people set up FTP clients, but one day I decided to set up a simple batch file for my sister. The batch file calls Cygwin's rsync, which transfers over ssh. Now all she has to do is double-click a desktop icon and wait a few seconds. She is *much* happier with this solution than she ever was with any FTP client. There are a number of good, open-source rsync GUI's available as well. Makes it pretty easy to batch tasks that a user can employ at a click. I have used one on OS X called arRsync, if I recall. A casual google search reveals a number of GUIs for Windows as well. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On 5/6/2010 1:03 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Marxist. I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a world of assault talk show hosts, etc., maybe they aren't. You are right, I should have included it. Marxism is identified as total authoritarian state economic control. Economy controlled by the state is defined as left of center. So, Marxism would be left wing nuts. Right wing nuts would refer to liberal economics as controlled by the society (libertarians, neo-liberalism). -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:36 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: On 5/6/2010 1:03 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Marxist. I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a world of assault talk show hosts, etc., maybe they aren't. You are right, I should have included it. Marxism is identified as total authoritarian state economic control. Economy controlled by the state is defined as left of center. So, Marxism would be left wing nuts. Right wing nuts would refer to liberal economics as controlled by the society (libertarians, neo-liberalism). You can't fool us with your propaganda you marxist right wingnut. -- XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it. - Chris Maden /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/6/2010 1:03 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Marxist. I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a world of assault talk show hosts, etc., maybe they aren't. You are right, I should have included it. Marxism is identified as total authoritarian state economic control. Economy controlled by the state is defined as left of center. So, Marxism would be left wing nuts. Right wing nuts would refer to liberal economics as controlled by the society (libertarians, neo-liberalism). Where do you get the idea the Marxism is defined as total authoritarian state economic control? I would say that Marxism is defined by a critique of capitalism that describes how it divides the people into social classes based on who controls the means of production, and predicts its eventual failure through a revolution of the proletariat (working class) and transition through a form of government called Socialism to a form of government called Communism. Marxist Socialism is indeed defined by state control of the economy, but he intends it to be a temporary state, controlled by the proletariat, to keep the economy functioning as the capitalist class structures are dismantled. Marxist Communism, his end goal, is a stateless, classless, democratic society where everyone gets a vote in economic decisions. He was actually pretty vague on how this would actually work, but I don't think total authoritarian state economic control is a fair description of it. Of course, once other people started running with his ideas and filling in the details, things didn't end up working out the way Marx had hoped they would. Fortunately, most socialists today are Democratic Socialists or Social Democrats, both of which seek to create a more equitable form of government gradually through the political process rather than through advocating violent revolution and a (temporary) dictatorship of the proletariat. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
On Thu, 6 May 2010 15:05:44 -0600 Levi Pearson levipear...@gmail.com wrote: I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a world of assault talk show hosts, etc., maybe they aren't. You are right, I should have included it. Marxism is identified as total authoritarian state economic control. Economy controlled by the state is defined as left of center. So, Marxism would be left wing nuts. Right wing nuts would refer to liberal economics as controlled by the society (libertarians, neo-liberalism). Where do you get the idea the Marxism is defined as total authoritarian state economic control? I would say that Marxism is defined by a critique of capitalism that describes how it divides the people into social classes based on who controls the means of I would say that Marxism is adherence to the ideas of Karl Marx, as set forth in various writings. Levi, you are right about Marx' vagueness and other folks running with it. During the 1848 uprisings in Paris, some of the Parisians claimed to be Marxists, to which Marx famously replied, I am not a Marxist. (Then again, would Jesus Christ, coming back today, say, I am not a Christian? But that's another email storm.) I think the total state control of everything came in with Lenin, or at least Lenin took it to its greatest influence within Marxist thinking. The Chinese Communists have shown that they are, at a minimum, not Marxist-Leninists, although they do apply a fair bit of Lenin to their control of the state and party. However, these days Marxism is confined to a few backward and isolated corners of the world, like North Korea and American college campuses. So can we get back to more important discussions like selecting a good beer? -- Charles Curley /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Another Group Question
Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com writes: On 05/06/2010 03:05 PM, Levi Pearson wrote: predicts its eventual failure through a revolution of the proletariat (working class) and transition through a form of government called Socialism to a form of government called Communism. I was always taught in school that Communism as a government was simply a means to achieve pure socialism, which would seem to be a form of anarchist-utopia with no government. From what I can tell Communism has very little to do with Marxism, which, as charles points out isn't a political/economic pov but rather a philosophical thing. There's a lot of vagueness in the terms 'socialism' and 'communism', but Marx's ideal socieity was indeed a stateless (anarchist) system and emphasized individual freedom. He felt that to get there from capitalism, however, there had to be a revolution and an intermediate system of government which he described as a dictatorship of the proletariat (as opposed to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, which is what he considered capitalism to be). Some of Marx's writings were philisophical, in the sense that they defined a way of looking at history in terms of class conflict, but a lost of his output was most definitely in the political/economic sphere. I mean, 'Das Kapital' set forth an economic critique of capitalism, and he co-wrote 'The Communist Manifesto' with Engels. Communism has *lot* to do with Marxism, it's just that Marx was more oriented towards criticism of the current situation than describing his ideal. Indeed the left/right thing is far more complicated than just socialism vs capitalism. Both socialism and capitalism can exist under anarchism or totalitarianism. Highly recommend www.politicalcompass.org as a good introduction to the complexities of the political spectrum. That's a great site, especially if you're unsure of where you stand in the political spectrum, but it's not very useful if you want to understand what the term 'Marxism' means, or how Marx influenced the world. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
