Re: Question the company you apply for (was: Mandatory javascript? was: Employees: exceptional versus average)
On May 6, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: > This needs to be shared, because I can't believe it happened. Sometimes companies outsource their application process to an external company (sometimes recruiters). Did that seem to be the case here? It would be interesting to discover if your assessment of the company is in fact correct, by meeting them in person, but I guess we'll never know. --Dave /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Novell in the news, I am so confused.
On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 20:18 -0600, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Anyone want to take a crack at explaining how terminating a large > portion of your workforce and moving your headquarters works to make > you more competitive? Novell's official headquarters were moved to Waltham, Mass. because that was where the new CEO lived. When the original announcement was made, it seemed like a dumb idea. I suspect there was never more that a small support staff to cater to his whims. I could be wrong, but I bet the majority of Novell execs stayed in Provo. So my reading is that Attachmate recognized how silly it was for the official headquarters to be disconnected from the majority of the real management. As for cutting the workforce, that's just par for course when taking over a failing company. Identify departments you think are sucking the life out of the company and ax them. Identify other departments that you think have a future but aren't core to the company and sell them. I see Attachmate's actions as a signal that they think Novell's management was on the wrong course, that instead of trying to revive the company it's smarter to just milk it. Sad, but not really surprising at this point. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Novell in the news, I am so confused.
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Tod Hansmann wrote: > As for what Novell does, I haven't known that for a long time, Me either. Here are the two things I *thought* they did. 1) Sell/support legacy Novell products. GroupWise, eDirectory -- is there anything else? 2) Sell/support the "alternative" Enterprise Linux brand. Specifically with .NET support. I can't imagine there is/was any growth opportunity in option #1. Option #2 seemed like the only viable plan for their future. The problem with option #2 is that Redhat is already very dominant, and they do a good job, so how do you differentiate and demonstrate your value? I thought that's where .NET and mono came in. If you were a .NET shop, and you wanted to bring in Linux, you probably would have gone with SLES and not RHEL. Now that the mono guys are gone, I'm not sure what they plan on doing to be viable in the future. Will Novell die? No. My prediction is that they'll just reduce down to be half the size they are now, and they'll become even more of a niche player. I hope I'm wrong though. -Bryan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Novell in the news, I am so confused.
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 20:18 -0600, S. Dale Morrey wrote: >> Anyone want to take a crack at explaining how terminating a large >> portion of your workforce and moving your headquarters works to make >> you more competitive? > > Novell's official headquarters were moved to Waltham, Mass. because that > was where the new CEO lived. When the original announcement was made, it > seemed like a dumb idea. I suspect there was never more that a small > support staff to cater to his whims. I could be wrong, but I bet the > majority of Novell execs stayed in Provo. So my reading is that > Attachmate recognized how silly it was for the official headquarters to > be disconnected from the majority of the real management. > > As for cutting the workforce, that's just par for course when taking > over a failing company. Identify departments you think are sucking the > life out of the company and ax them. Identify other departments that you > think have a future but aren't core to the company and sell them. > > I see Attachmate's actions as a signal that they think Novell's > management was on the wrong course, that instead of trying to revive the > company it's smarter to just milk it. Sad, but not really surprising at > this point. > > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > I believe your comments are right on target. "I see Attachmate's actions as a signal that they think Novell's management was on the wrong course..." I think Novell's management weren't really sure what course to take, and had been aimlessly wandering in the desert looking for the promise land. Management will be ok. They always seem to come out ok. As for the employees ...well we all know what happened to them. Were they given any severance? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
please help
to who may concern, i'm just subscribed to plug.org and i need documentation help in learning c programming on linux specially if possible centos 5 if possible to tell me if theres is a well documented material to use in that purpose and how much does it cost in dollar (us $) and / or if there is a book or so that is good for me as a beginner to write a code that is suiting intel compatible x86 family thanks in advance best regards hatem gamal /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
from a book i knewd that to start c/c++ programming on Linux, i need a linux installation, which has development packages installed my question is what development packages i need to start c programming on linux and what is not can you help in that please give me detailed instructions and syntax i'm a new to c on linux thanks in advance /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 22:45 +0300, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote: > from a book i knewd that to start c/c++ programming on Linux, i need a > linux installation, which has development packages installed > > my question is what development packages i need to start c programming > on linux and what is not can you help in that please give me detailed > instructions and syntax i'm a new to c on linux On RHEL/CentOS/Fedora you can get the most important stuff by running: # yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' 'Development Libraries' /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: please help
On 05/10/2011 01:17 PM, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote: > to who may concern, > i'm just subscribed to plug.org and i need documentation help in > learning c programming on linux specially if possible centos 5 if > possible to tell me if theres is a well documented material to use in > that purpose and how much does it cost in dollar (us $) and / or if > there is a book or so that is good for me as a beginner to write a code > that is suiting intel compatible x86 family > thanks in advance > best regards > hatem gamal There is A LOT of documentation for programming C in Linux, which documentation is best for you depends a lot on what experience you already have. Have you written in c before? What's your experience with linux(I'm guessing none at all)? What type of program are you writing? What programming languages do you know? What IDE are you used to using? Kyle /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: please help
On Tue, 10 May 2011 22:17:52 +0300 hatem gamal elzanaty wrote: > i'm just subscribed to plug.org and i need documentation help in > learning c programming on linux specially if possible centos 5 if > possible to tell me if theres is a well documented material to use in > that purpose and how much does it cost in dollar (us $) and / or if > there is a book or so that is good for me as a beginner to write a > code that is suiting intel compatible x86 family I don't know how familiar you are with either C or Linux, so I may tell you things you already know. Also, you didn't say what your application is, and that will affect some of the advice on offer here. I would start with the Linux Documentation Project. Some of their material is old, but may still be useful. http://tldp.org/ Centos 5 is Red Hat Linux 5 without the customer support, so any Red Hat 5 documentation should serve you well. See what you can find on Red Hat's web site, and on the Centos web site. Linux aspires to be POSIX compliant, so POSIX documentation should be useful as well. Unless you need to get very close to the hardware, I suggest you not worry about Intel processor compatibility. Good programming emphasizes portability and maintainability over processor specific features. The only exception to this would be very close to the hardware and in embedded applications. -- Charles Curley /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
thanks Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 22:45 +0300, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote: > >> from a book i knewd that to start c/c++ programming on Linux, i need a >> linux installation, which has development packages installed >> >> my question is what development packages i need to start c programming >> on linux and what is not can you help in that please give me detailed >> instructions and syntax i'm a new to c on linux >> > > On RHEL/CentOS/Fedora you can get the most important stuff by running: > > # yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' 'Development Libraries' > > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: please help
Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, 10 May 2011 22:17:52 +0300 > hatem gamal elzanaty wrote: > > >> i'm just subscribed to plug.org and i need documentation help in >> learning c programming on linux specially if possible centos 5 if >> possible to tell me if theres is a well documented material to use in >> that purpose and how much does it cost in dollar (us $) and / or if >> there is a book or so that is good for me as a beginner to write a >> code that is suiting intel compatible x86 family >> > > I don't know how familiar you are with either C or Linux, so I may tell > you things you already know. Also, you didn't say what your application > is, and that will affect some of the advice on offer here. > > I would start with the Linux Documentation Project. Some > of their material is old, but may still be useful. http://tldp.org/ > > Centos 5 is Red Hat Linux 5 without the customer support, so any Red > Hat 5 documentation should serve you well. See what you can find on Red > Hat's web site, and on the Centos web site. Linux aspires to be POSIX > compliant, so POSIX documentation should be useful as well. > > Unless you need to get very close to the hardware, I suggest you not > worry about Intel processor compatibility. Good programming emphasizes > portability and maintainability over processor specific features. The > only exception to this would be very close to the hardware and in > embedded applications. > > > i'm new to c on linux (centos 5) and a php web developer on mysql what material do you advice me with and how much does it cost /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
On 05/10/2011 01:45 PM, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote:
> my question is what development packages i need to start c programming
> on linux and what is not can you help in that please give me detailed
> instructions and syntax i'm a new to c on linux
Once you have your compiler installed, type this:
cat > hello.c << EOF
#include
void main() {
printf("Hello, world!\n");
}
EOF
gcc -o hello hello.c
./hello
I get the impression you already know C to some extent, so hopefully
this along with the other friendly replies you've received are enough to
get you started.
Shane
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Re: please help
Kyle Waters wrote: > On 05/10/2011 01:17 PM, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote: > >> to who may concern, >> i'm just subscribed to plug.org and i need documentation help in >> learning c programming on linux specially if possible centos 5 if >> possible to tell me if theres is a well documented material to use in >> that purpose and how much does it cost in dollar (us $) and / or if >> there is a book or so that is good for me as a beginner to write a code >> that is suiting intel compatible x86 family >> thanks in advance >> best regards >> hatem gamal >> > > There is A LOT of documentation for programming C in Linux, which > documentation is best for you depends a lot on what experience you > already have. > > >>>Have you written in c before? > turbo c since 14 years ago > > What's your experience with linux(I'm guessing none at all)? > lamp based php / mysql web application developer > > > What type of program are you writing? > web applications > > What programming languages do you know? > php/ and some python > > What IDE are you used to using? > kedit > > Kyle > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Pay Range Locally?
Thanks, glad to know that information. Just another quick question but is it better to have a general MBA or a specialized MBA such as MBA in IT Management? I have the choice of taking the specialization but it means an extra 6 months, mostly focusing on ITIL topics. On the other hand, overspecialization has caused many species to become extinct. Robert Merrill wrote: >On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Bryan Sant wrote: >> >> >> >> > What should a Senior Programmer or Senior Software Engineer with >> > extensive Java experience (including SCJP), expect to make around >> > these parts? >> >> You can easily make > $100k > > >Agreed. That's an easy median with +/- $20k range before benefits, bonus, >etc. > >/* >PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net >Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug >Don't fear the penguin. >*/ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
Why is a guy from brazil asking the Provo Linux Users Group about this. I
think i smell a spammer.
Shane Hathaway wrote:
>On 05/10/2011 01:45 PM, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote:
>> my question is what development packages i need to start c programming
>> on linux and what is not can you help in that please give me detailed
>> instructions and syntax i'm a new to c on linux
>
>Once you have your compiler installed, type this:
>
>cat > hello.c << EOF
>
>#include
>
>void main() {
> printf("Hello, world!\n");
>}
>
>EOF
>
>gcc -o hello hello.c
>./hello
>
>I get the impression you already know C to some extent, so hopefully
>this along with the other friendly replies you've received are enough to
>get you started.
>
>Shane
>
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Any HAMs?
My wife and i have decided to undertake the task of getting our Amatuer Radio licenses and were wondering if there are other local ham operators we could bounce questions off from. Figured this would be a good place to start since i seem to remember a discussion on the topic in the not top distant past. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Any HAMs?
I'm not really a "HAM" as I don't really like to talk to people on the radio, but I do have my technician's license. I got it for emergency purposes mainly. I also got it to use frequencies and power levels in RC airplanes. It's been a while since I took the test, but I'm happy to try to help to answer questions. I have a radio, but right now I'm not in Provo so I'm not hanging out on the BYU repeater much. I could get on echo link I suppose, as the BYU repeater is accessible on Echo link (which won't work over NAT, so that makes it hard to use). Michael /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Pay Range Locally?
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Steven Morrey wrote: > Thanks, glad to know that information. > Just another quick question but is it better to have a general MBA or a > specialized MBA such as MBA in IT Management? I have the choice of taking > the specialization but it means an extra 6 months, mostly focusing on ITIL > topics. On the other hand, overspecialization has caused many species to > become extinct. At the risk of sounding smarmy... It's better to develop the skills that will make piles of cash for your employer. Learn skills that will help make you so incredibly valuable, that you have many good employers lusting after your talents. I would wager that a general MBA is more common (and therefore less valuable) than a more specialized MBA in IT Management. But I think both options are far less valuable than actual experience helping a company succeed -- not just working somewhere, but actually being instrumental in that organization's success. My advice would be to read this book and seriously consider its message: http://www.amazon.com/Linchpin-Are-Indispensable-Seth-Godin/dp/1591843162 -Bryan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
Steven Morrey wrote:
> Why is a guy from brazil asking the Provo Linux Users Group about this. I
> think i smell a spammer.
>
> Shane Hathaway wrote:
>
>
>> On 05/10/2011 01:45 PM, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote:
>>
>>> my question is what development packages i need to start c programming
>>> on linux and what is not can you help in that please give me detailed
>>> instructions and syntax i'm a new to c on linux
>>>
>> Once you have your compiler installed, type this:
>>
>> cat > hello.c << EOF
>>
>> #include
>>
>> void main() {
>> printf("Hello, world!\n");
>> }
>>
>> EOF
>>
>> gcc -o hello hello.c
>> ./hello
>>
>> I get the impression you already know C to some extent, so hopefully
>> this along with the other friendly replies you've received are enough to
>> get you started.
>>
>> Shane
>>
he is not
>
>
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Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
Looks like Cairo, Egypt, not Brasil.
RyanE
On Tue, May 10, 2011 8:40 pm, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote:
> Steven Morrey wrote:
>> Why is a guy from brazil asking the Provo Linux Users Group about this.
>> I think i smell a spammer.
>>
>> Shane Hathaway wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 05/10/2011 01:45 PM, hatem gamal elzanaty wrote:
>>>
my question is what development packages i need to start c programming
on linux and what is not can you help in that please give me detailed
instructions and syntax i'm a new to c on linux
>>> Once you have your compiler installed, type this:
>>>
>>> cat > hello.c << EOF
>>>
>>> #include
>>>
>>> void main() {
>>> printf("Hello, world!\n");
>>> }
>>>
>>> EOF
>>>
>>> gcc -o hello hello.c
>>> ./hello
>>>
>>> I get the impression you already know C to some extent, so hopefully
>>> this along with the other friendly replies you've received are enough
>>> to
>>> get you started.
>>>
>>> Shane
>>>
> he is not
>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: please help
Most of what you will need to know in the form of reference material can be found freely available. As far as learning concepts, you may want to search for free books or online lecture courses. (MIT has several posted, as may khanacademy.) Google is your friend--always start there and learn to be resourceful on your own first. Many help forums, mailing lists, and even some irc channels get annoyed when asked questions that are "simple" where "simple" is defined as "the first result of any close search on google will have the answer". However, that being said, do search for help forums specific to your tools, and irc channels (freenode.org has many) where people that are experts in those tools hang out and are willing to answer even beginner questions. As for development environment, I suggest any of: Eclipse kdevelop emacs vim For C, I highly recommend getting your own copy of the original language standard book "The C Programming Language" by Kernigan and Ritchie. It's actually quite small and a relatively quick read. You can learn the changes since (such as from the C99 update) from FAQs online (use google). As for other requirements, you basically just need gcc, but may benefit from also learning gdb. There are some decent front ends to gdb such as the stand-alone DDD or the gui IDEs such as eclipse or kdevelop that may make using it at first a bit easier. You may find it useful to spend some time learning make (typical build tool for C-based projects). I suggest reading the man/info pages. I also suggest you google for the article "recursive make considered harmful". That paper has some good pointers on ways to use make more effectively as your projects grow in size. Also, if you intend to get into larger projects, (and it's easier to learn while they are small), I suggest learning an RCS--git is becoming very popular, and subversion is already--probably good to know the basics of both. Git provides some more powerful features--I would recommend learning git first, after which subversion (svn) will be trivial to learn if you encounter it. As for learning to program well in C, simply learning the syntax will not suffice. I recommend getting some books/finding online references/or classes on: - data structures - algorithms - compilers (grammar, parsing, and compilers) These cover the big topics that will enable you to solve the majority of programming problems you may encounter. Coming from php and web development there may be many concepts in the above topics that you may not have encountered yet which are essential to programming efficient solutions in a lower language such as C. BTW, once you've tackled them, you will have a good foundation to learn many other languages besides, such as Perl, C#, .Net, Java, and many others--so it's a great place to start. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: suggestion for plug site
On Mon, May 9, 2011 17:09, Henry Paul wrote: > On 05/09/2011 04:56 PM, Merrill Oveson wrote: >> >> I'd just like to make the relationship a little more symmetric. >> I've intentionally not applied to a certain company in this valley >> based on the information I've learned from current and former >> employees. > > I agree with the symmetry angle. I have decided on more than one > occasion not to work for a company based on networking with my contacts > who worked there. The above comments highlight a great reason to be part of PLUG. More than once I've seen a posting by an individual asking what it is _really_ like to work at a certain company. As long as the request is to reply personally (off-list), then I can see little legal ramification risk for PLUG. As far as things being symmetrical, I don't know what that really means. Perhaps someone can enlighten me (and the list in the process). If I want to build boats, and the Boilermakers Union wants a lot of money to pay for useless things like medical care, I can... Set up a drydock in Middle Earth. Pay Hobbits $0.04/hour. Sail boat to US. Sell the boat (free magic included) at half what the boiler boys are charging, right? Why not? If I want to build software programs, and those pesky US software engineers are being picky about what soda is available in the break room, I can... Set up an office in Middle Earth. Pay dwarves $0.10/hour. E-mail the program to the US. Sell it for half of what the US software developers are charging, right? Sweet! Someone get me an office in downtown Middle Earth, pronto! And a pile of those little pink sticky notes. -Ryan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
On Tue, May 10, 2011 20:49, Steven Morrey wrote: > Why is a guy from brazil asking the Provo Linux Users Group about this. I > think i smell a spammer. It is quite common. However, most people usually don't make it all the way to the list. Several times a quarter I get e-mails from India, Egypt, South America, etc. All of them are looking for some kind of Linux help and stumble across PLUG via Google. In the case of India, we have a very similar domain as the Pune LUG (www.plug.org.in). By far, the largest group of stray contacts we get were intended for Pune. We are world famous, so there you go. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:50:15 -0600 "PLUG" wrote: > Looks like Cairo, Egypt, not Brasil. I was curious how you got Cairo, Egypt, out of .bz, which is the cc tld for Belize. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains. However the answer is: whois softpro.bz Good thinking. :-) -- Charles Curley /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
On Tue, 10 May 2011 20:49:33 -0600 Steven Morrey wrote: > Why is a guy from brazil asking the Provo Linux Users Group about > this. I think i smell a spammer. This is the 21st Century (at least in some parts of the world. :-). Why should he not be from Brazil? Or Belize. Or Cairo. Heck, for all you know, there's people on this list from... from... from Wyoming! -- Charles Curley /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: suggestion for plug site
On Tue, 10 May 2011 22:46:06 -0600 (MDT) "Ryan Simpkins" wrote: > If I want to > build boats, and the Boilermakers Union wants a lot of money to pay > for useless things like medical care, I can... Set up a drydock in > Middle Earth. Pay Hobbits $0.04/hour. Sail boat to US. Sell the boat > (free magic included) at half what the boiler boys are charging, > right? Why not? The response of the Boilermakers Union will be something along the lines of "Nice hobbit ya got there, pity if anything should happen to him." You do know the Boilermakers Union leadership, so called, is composed of orcs, don't you? -- Charles Curley /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Welcome to the "PLUG" mailing list
On Tue, May 10, 2011 11:08 pm, Charles Curley wrote: > I was curious how you got Cairo, Egypt, out of .bz, which is the cc tld > for Belize. > whois softpro.bz Actually, I just *went to* the website, it's his personal CV. Also, sorry about the previous top post. Must've thought I was responding to a *work* email. I really do know better, even though I was "barn in a born in Spanish Fark". RyanE /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:24 PM, PLUG wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2011 11:08 pm, Charles Curley wrote: > >> I was curious how you got Cairo, Egypt, out of .bz, which is the cc tld >> for Belize. My mistake I saw .bz and figured brasil, next time I'll look it up. My point was just that it didn't make sense to me and looked like a phish to gather emails addresses. Sorry if I'm wrong, I'm just skeptical I guess. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
