Re: new thread: QoS, latency, bandwidth and the FCC/net neutrality debate

[Herminio Hernandez Jr.]

They are very related Network QoS exists because there are limits in how much 
networking gear transmits packets and frames. There is a lot more to it than 
just writing the policy. There is a cost to engineer that out. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Stephen Partington  wrote:
> 
> It is not that simple in my mind. Network QoS is very different then the 
> possibility of the customers pay extra for additional services. 
> 
> Besides Netflix has cache devices that can and are frequently in local is 
> Datacenters to alleviate latency and Bw issues. 
> 
> And given the current fcc chairs attitude I am really skeptical. 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2017 12:31 PM, "Herminio Hernandez, Jr." 
>>  wrote:
>> I will start with some thoughts on why I find the NN debate troubling. First 
>> there is a technical misunderstanding. NN is built on the idea that ISPs 
>> should treat all traffic equally. This concept is simply unrealistic. 
>> Bandwidth is a limited resource there is only so much data that a Ethernet 
>> port can transmit and receive. Also things like MTU size, latency, jitter 
>> all impact the reliable transmission of data which bring me to my other 
>> point. Not all traffic is the same. There are night and day differences 
>> between TCP and UDP traffic. For example UDP (which is what most voice and 
>> video is) is faster than TCP. The drawback to this is that UDP does not have 
>> the recovery features that TCP has in case of packet loss (ie sequence 
>> number and acknowledgment packets). There UDP applications are more prone to 
>> suffer when latency is high or links get saturated. To overcome this network 
>> engineer implement prioritization and traffic shaping to ensure these 
>> services are not impacted. 
>> 
>> As more content is consumed such as 4K video on the internet, the need for 
>> traffic shaping will only increase. Netflix already has the ability to push 
>> 100Gbps from their servers. That is a ton of data that needs to be 
>> prioritized by ISPs. This is not free there are serious costs involved in 
>> man hours and infrastructure. Someone needs to bear that cost. This is why I 
>> am not opposed to fast lanes. If Netflix is going to have ISPs ensure all of 
>> the massive amounts to data are push is delivered efficiently, then the ISPs 
>> should be free to charge a premium for this service. Netflix does not want 
>> to bear this cost, hense their support for Net Neutrality. They want the 
>> ISPs to bear the cost, but then result of that is we bear the cost via data 
>> caps. 
>> 
>> When you strip away all the slogans it all comes down to money and control. 
>> Data will be traffic shaped it is just who decides how unelected government 
>> bureaucrats pushing some public policy or market forces.
>> 
>> Something else to consider a lot not all but a lot of the very same people 
>> who cry that the end of Net Neutrality will be end of free speech (no more 
>> free and open internet) have no issue saying Twiiter, Facebook, and Google 
>> (since they are 'private companies') have the right demonetize, obscure, or 
>> even ban individuals who express ideas that other deem "offensive". How is 
>> that promoting a "Free and Open Internet"?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> well, as someone else suggested, a new thread.
>>> 
>>> so, shall we start the discussion?
>>> 
>>> ok, as mentioned, bandwidth is a limited resource. the question is How 
>>> limited?
>>> 
>>> Then there is the question: can an ISP curtail certain types of traffic 
>>> (null route it, delay it, other bandwidth shaping routines)? How far can 
>>> they go?
>>> 
>>> What really is net neutrality?
>>> 
>>> lastly, what part does the FCC play, or should they?
>>> 
>>> so, any thoughts on the above questions?
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, you got questions, we got 
>>> answers Dept.
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Re: new thread: QoS, latency, bandwidth and the FCC/net neutrality debate

[Stephen Partington]

It is not that simple in my mind. Network QoS is very different then the
possibility of the customers pay extra for additional services.

Besides Netflix has cache devices that can and are frequently in local is
Datacenters to alleviate latency and Bw issues.

And given the current fcc chairs attitude I am really skeptical.

On Nov 24, 2017 12:31 PM, "Herminio Hernandez, Jr." <
herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I will start with some thoughts on why I find the NN debate troubling.
> First there is a technical misunderstanding. NN is built on the idea that
> ISPs should treat all traffic equally. This concept is simply unrealistic.
> Bandwidth is a limited resource there is only so much data that a Ethernet
> port can transmit and receive. Also things like MTU size, latency, jitter
> all impact the reliable transmission of data which bring me to my other
> point. Not all traffic is the same. There are night and day differences
> between TCP and UDP traffic. For example UDP (which is what most voice and
> video is) is faster than TCP. The drawback to this is that UDP does not
> have the recovery features that TCP has in case of packet loss (ie sequence
> number and acknowledgment packets). There UDP applications are more prone
> to suffer when latency is high or links get saturated. To overcome this
> network engineer implement prioritization and traffic shaping to ensure
> these services are not impacted.
>
> As more content is consumed such as 4K video on the internet, the need for
> traffic shaping will only increase. Netflix already has the ability to push
> 100Gbps from their servers. That is a ton of data that needs to be
> prioritized by ISPs. This is not free there are serious costs involved in
> man hours and infrastructure. Someone needs to bear that cost. This is why
> I am not opposed to fast lanes. If Netflix is going to have ISPs ensure all
> of the massive amounts to data are push is delivered efficiently, then the
> ISPs should be free to charge a premium for this service. Netflix does not
> want to bear this cost, hense their support for Net Neutrality. They want
> the ISPs to bear the cost, but then result of that is we bear the cost via
> data caps.
>
> When you strip away all the slogans it all comes down to money and
> control. Data will be traffic shaped it is just who decides how unelected
> government bureaucrats pushing some public policy or market forces.
>
> Something else to consider a lot not all but a lot of the very same people
> who cry that the end of Net Neutrality will be end of free speech (no more
> free and open internet) have no issue saying Twiiter, Facebook, and Google
> (since they are 'private companies') have the right demonetize, obscure, or
> even ban individuals who express ideas that other deem "offensive". How is
> that promoting a "Free and Open Internet"?
>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
>> well, as someone else suggested, a new thread.
>>
>> so, shall we start the discussion?
>>
>> ok, as mentioned, bandwidth is a limited resource. the question is How
>> limited?
>>
>> Then there is the question: can an ISP curtail certain types of traffic
>> (null route it, delay it, other bandwidth shaping routines)? How far can
>> they go?
>>
>> What really is net neutrality?
>>
>> lastly, what part does the FCC play, or should they?
>>
>> so, any thoughts on the above questions?
>>
>> -eric
>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, you got questions, we
>> got answers Dept.
>>
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Re: new thread: QoS, latency, bandwidth and the FCC/net neutrality debate

[Herminio Hernandez, Jr.]

I will start with some thoughts on why I find the NN debate troubling.
First there is a technical misunderstanding. NN is built on the idea that
ISPs should treat all traffic equally. This concept is simply unrealistic.
Bandwidth is a limited resource there is only so much data that a Ethernet
port can transmit and receive. Also things like MTU size, latency, jitter
all impact the reliable transmission of data which bring me to my other
point. Not all traffic is the same. There are night and day differences
between TCP and UDP traffic. For example UDP (which is what most voice and
video is) is faster than TCP. The drawback to this is that UDP does not
have the recovery features that TCP has in case of packet loss (ie sequence
number and acknowledgment packets). There UDP applications are more prone
to suffer when latency is high or links get saturated. To overcome this
network engineer implement prioritization and traffic shaping to ensure
these services are not impacted.

As more content is consumed such as 4K video on the internet, the need for
traffic shaping will only increase. Netflix already has the ability to push
100Gbps from their servers. That is a ton of data that needs to be
prioritized by ISPs. This is not free there are serious costs involved in
man hours and infrastructure. Someone needs to bear that cost. This is why
I am not opposed to fast lanes. If Netflix is going to have ISPs ensure all
of the massive amounts to data are push is delivered efficiently, then the
ISPs should be free to charge a premium for this service. Netflix does not
want to bear this cost, hense their support for Net Neutrality. They want
the ISPs to bear the cost, but then result of that is we bear the cost via
data caps.

When you strip away all the slogans it all comes down to money and control.
Data will be traffic shaped it is just who decides how unelected government
bureaucrats pushing some public policy or market forces.

Something else to consider a lot not all but a lot of the very same people
who cry that the end of Net Neutrality will be end of free speech (no more
free and open internet) have no issue saying Twiiter, Facebook, and Google
(since they are 'private companies') have the right demonetize, obscure, or
even ban individuals who express ideas that other deem "offensive". How is
that promoting a "Free and Open Internet"?

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> well, as someone else suggested, a new thread.
>
> so, shall we start the discussion?
>
> ok, as mentioned, bandwidth is a limited resource. the question is How
> limited?
>
> Then there is the question: can an ISP curtail certain types of traffic
> (null route it, delay it, other bandwidth shaping routines)? How far can
> they go?
>
> What really is net neutrality?
>
> lastly, what part does the FCC play, or should they?
>
> so, any thoughts on the above questions?
>
> -eric
> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, you got questions, we
> got answers Dept.
>
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Re: kodi tvaddons

[Eric Oyen]

per your suggestion, I have started a new thread with questions related to the 
mentioned issues.

debate away!

-eric
from the central offices of the technomage Guild, internet debating society.

On Nov 24, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote:

> I work in the networking field and I can tell you that the idea that all 
> traffic can be treated equally is nonsense. If you want services esp latency 
> sensitive ones like voice and video to be delivered reliably then there will 
> be traffic shaping. Bandwidth is a limited resource. 
> 
> p.s. do not want to hijack the thread if anyone wants to discuss further open 
> a new thread. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:
> 
>> If you've ever worked in networking at a carrier or isp level, you know net 
>> neutrality never really was to begin with.  From the beginnings of time, 
>> there's been a feature called "quality of service" that makes sure some 
>> traffic is always more important than other traffics, so this has always 
>> been happening, it's really just more if they apply that lack of priority 
>> and/or limiting of queue traffic to certain (competing) services, which 
>> assuredly they already do now too.
>> 
>> This is why I still just download anything I watch like movies and shows 
>> that aren't just random youtube videos.  What delay?  This is all on the 2nd 
>> to the cheapest cox plan - don't need no stinkin' gigablast.
>> 
>> Funny part is my aunt that pays for multiple streaming services and watches 
>> everything there got hit by Cox's bandwidth cap now.  She knows I just 
>> pirate everything, and ask if I was warned too - nope.  I don't think I 
>> watch tv near as much as she does, but found it funny that legit users are 
>> most affected and forced to pay even more in just bandwidth overages.  
>> 
>> 20 years after downloading my first free music and movies, piracy is still 
>> the most hassle-free method I can use to watch tv.
>> 
>> -mb
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt  
>> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:50:33 -0700
>> Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> > well,
>> > the media cartels can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I can
>> > get most of the content I want from Amazon, netflix, hulu (if I could
>> > ever get around the accessibility issues) or even youtube tv.
>> 
>> You'd better hurry up and give feedback to the FCC not to trash
>> Net Neutrality, because in a couple days they vote to allow the
>> media cartels to erect toll bridges and speed bumps on the Internet to
>> retard Amazon, netflox, hulu, and youtube tv. Without Net Neutrality,
>> it's *us* who will be pounding sand.
>> 
>> SteveT
>> 
>> Steve Litt
>> November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust
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new thread: QoS, latency, bandwidth and the FCC/net neutrality debate

[Eric Oyen]

well, as someone else suggested, a new thread.

so, shall we start the discussion?

ok, as mentioned, bandwidth is a limited resource. the question is How limited?

Then there is the question: can an ISP curtail certain types of traffic (null 
route it, delay it, other bandwidth shaping routines)? How far can they go?

What really is net neutrality?

lastly, what part does the FCC play, or should they?

so, any thoughts on the above questions?

-eric
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answers Dept.

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Re: Why does ps -ef show four entries for chrome? Thanks!

[joe]

Thanks for those explanations, James!
ps -efH is a very helpful tip!


> Chrome runs each tab in a seperate process, and the same for plugins,
> though sometimes those are shared. If you run ps -ef instead of top and
> get the parent processid, they'd likely share a common parent. You can
> organize the output with H. ps -efH and it'll group it in a tree format
> based on parents, etc.
>
> As for why you have multiple sessions, tty/# is the console, pts/# are
> pseudo terminals. Either ssh, gnome terms, whatever.  Depending on which
> distro you're running, it may or may not show your sessions. Systemd has
> a better handle on logins ...


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Re: kodi tvaddons

[Herminio Hernandez Jr.]

I work in the networking field and I can tell you that the idea that all 
traffic can be treated equally is nonsense. If you want services esp latency 
sensitive ones like voice and video to be delivered reliably then there will be 
traffic shaping. Bandwidth is a limited resource. 

p.s. do not want to hijack the thread if anyone wants to discuss further open a 
new thread. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:
> 
> If you've ever worked in networking at a carrier or isp level, you know net 
> neutrality never really was to begin with.  From the beginnings of time, 
> there's been a feature called "quality of service" that makes sure some 
> traffic is always more important than other traffics, so this has always been 
> happening, it's really just more if they apply that lack of priority and/or 
> limiting of queue traffic to certain (competing) services, which assuredly 
> they already do now too.
> 
> This is why I still just download anything I watch like movies and shows that 
> aren't just random youtube videos.  What delay?  This is all on the 2nd to 
> the cheapest cox plan - don't need no stinkin' gigablast.
> 
> Funny part is my aunt that pays for multiple streaming services and watches 
> everything there got hit by Cox's bandwidth cap now.  She knows I just pirate 
> everything, and ask if I was warned too - nope.  I don't think I watch tv 
> near as much as she does, but found it funny that legit users are most 
> affected and forced to pay even more in just bandwidth overages.  
> 
> 20 years after downloading my first free music and movies, piracy is still 
> the most hassle-free method I can use to watch tv.
> 
> -mb
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt  
>> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:50:33 -0700
>> Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> > well,
>> > the media cartels can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I can
>> > get most of the content I want from Amazon, netflix, hulu (if I could
>> > ever get around the accessibility issues) or even youtube tv.
>> 
>> You'd better hurry up and give feedback to the FCC not to trash
>> Net Neutrality, because in a couple days they vote to allow the
>> media cartels to erect toll bridges and speed bumps on the Internet to
>> retard Amazon, netflox, hulu, and youtube tv. Without Net Neutrality,
>> it's *us* who will be pounding sand.
>> 
>> SteveT
>> 
>> Steve Litt
>> November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust
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Re: kodi tvaddons

[Eric Oyen]

h. well, I wasn't going to mention these alternative methods owing to their 
precarious legal nature.

btw, ISp's are starting to take a hard line on things like pirating. I have 1 
neighbor who will no longer be able to get internet from any provider here in 
my neighborhood. Basically, he was caught pirating on both century link and 
cox. neither will even allow him to purchase service. He even asked me if he 
could access my WiFi. I had to be blunt and inform him that after the last DMCA 
notice I got (because of someone using my WiFi) that my internet was closed to 
anyone outside of my house. Honestly, I just don't want the legal issues as I 
am not made of money and could not afford a lawyer even if I could get one.

that all being said, sometimes pirating is the only minimal hassle way, but I 
won't recommend it (the risks are far too high).

-eric
from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Ethical considerations Dept.

On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

> If you've ever worked in networking at a carrier or isp level, you know net 
> neutrality never really was to begin with.  From the beginnings of time, 
> there's been a feature called "quality of service" that makes sure some 
> traffic is always more important than other traffics, so this has always been 
> happening, it's really just more if they apply that lack of priority and/or 
> limiting of queue traffic to certain (competing) services, which assuredly 
> they already do now too.
> 
> This is why I still just download anything I watch like movies and shows that 
> aren't just random youtube videos.  What delay?  This is all on the 2nd to 
> the cheapest cox plan - don't need no stinkin' gigablast.
> 
> Funny part is my aunt that pays for multiple streaming services and watches 
> everything there got hit by Cox's bandwidth cap now.  She knows I just pirate 
> everything, and ask if I was warned too - nope.  I don't think I watch tv 
> near as much as she does, but found it funny that legit users are most 
> affected and forced to pay even more in just bandwidth overages.  
> 
> 20 years after downloading my first free music and movies, piracy is still 
> the most hassle-free method I can use to watch tv.
> 
> -mb
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:50:33 -0700
> Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> > well,
> > the media cartels can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I can
> > get most of the content I want from Amazon, netflix, hulu (if I could
> > ever get around the accessibility issues) or even youtube tv.
> 
> You'd better hurry up and give feedback to the FCC not to trash
> Net Neutrality, because in a couple days they vote to allow the
> media cartels to erect toll bridges and speed bumps on the Internet to
> retard Amazon, netflox, hulu, and youtube tv. Without Net Neutrality,
> it's *us* who will be pounding sand.
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt
> November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust
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Re: kodi tvaddons

[Eric Oyen]

already done. there is even a change.org petition. I have also filed comments 
on their comments page. believe me, I tried to keep it dry, technical and 
logical. however, these are politicians we are dealing with here.

-eric
from the central offices of the technomage Guild, Internet Regulatory 
Administration

On Nov 24, 2017, at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:50:33 -0700
> Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> well,
>> the media cartels can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I can
>> get most of the content I want from Amazon, netflix, hulu (if I could
>> ever get around the accessibility issues) or even youtube tv. 
> 
> You'd better hurry up and give feedback to the FCC not to trash
> Net Neutrality, because in a couple days they vote to allow the
> media cartels to erect toll bridges and speed bumps on the Internet to
> retard Amazon, netflox, hulu, and youtube tv. Without Net Neutrality,
> it's *us* who will be pounding sand.
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt 
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> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust
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Re: kodi tvaddons

[Michael Butash]

If you've ever worked in networking at a carrier or isp level, you know net
neutrality never really was to begin with.  From the beginnings of time,
there's been a feature called "quality of service" that makes sure some
traffic is always more important than other traffics, so this has always
been happening, it's really just more if they apply that lack of priority
and/or limiting of queue traffic to certain (competing) services, which
assuredly they already do now too.

This is why I still just download anything I watch like movies and shows
that aren't just random youtube videos.  What delay?  This is all on the
2nd to the cheapest cox plan - don't need no stinkin' gigablast.

Funny part is my aunt that pays for multiple streaming services and watches
everything there got hit by Cox's bandwidth cap now.  She knows I just
pirate everything, and ask if I was warned too - nope.  I don't think I
watch tv near as much as she does, but found it funny that legit users are
most affected and forced to pay even more in just bandwidth overages.

20 years after downloading my first free music and movies, piracy is still
the most hassle-free method I can use to watch tv.

-mb


On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:50:33 -0700
> Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
> > well,
> > the media cartels can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I can
> > get most of the content I want from Amazon, netflix, hulu (if I could
> > ever get around the accessibility issues) or even youtube tv.
>
> You'd better hurry up and give feedback to the FCC not to trash
> Net Neutrality, because in a couple days they vote to allow the
> media cartels to erect toll bridges and speed bumps on the Internet to
> retard Amazon, netflox, hulu, and youtube tv. Without Net Neutrality,
> it's *us* who will be pounding sand.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust
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