Re: memory

[Michael]

okay guys I ordered the new memory and eight GB is on its way.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Michael  wrote:

> figures... of a book of over 50 pages that is the only page I missed.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> I'll do it the simple way: take an existing card in and say  max me!
>>
>> :D
>>
>> Anyways the guy I bought it from is a professor at UF. He gave me all the
>> paperwork. Gee, I bet what I need is in the manual.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:47 PM, KevinO  wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/12/2016 11:16 AM, Michael wrote:
>>> > Thanks, Brian. I bought the computer from a friend for $60 so I wasn't
>>> > expecting much. Actually this thing has run fine until I started laying
>>> > with Hugin!
>>> >
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> You can go to: http://www.crucial.com/
>>>
>>> and use the "Crucial Advisor tool" to determine what your system can
>>> handle.
>>> You'll need to know the brand and model number of your motherboard or
>>> system.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> --
>>> KevinO
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>
>
>
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>



-- 
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael]

figures... of a book of over 50 pages that is the only page I missed.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I'll do it the simple way: take an existing card in and say  max me!
>
> :D
>
> Anyways the guy I bought it from is a professor at UF. He gave me all the
> paperwork. Gee, I bet what I need is in the manual.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:47 PM, KevinO  wrote:
>
>> On 03/12/2016 11:16 AM, Michael wrote:
>> > Thanks, Brian. I bought the computer from a friend for $60 so I wasn't
>> > expecting much. Actually this thing has run fine until I started laying
>> > with Hugin!
>> >
>> Mike,
>>
>> You can go to: http://www.crucial.com/
>>
>> and use the "Crucial Advisor tool" to determine what your system can
>> handle.
>> You'll need to know the brand and model number of your motherboard or
>> system.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> --
>> KevinO
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>
>
>
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>



-- 
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael]

I'll do it the simple way: take an existing card in and say  max me!

:D

Anyways the guy I bought it from is a professor at UF. He gave me all the
paperwork. Gee, I bet what I need is in the manual.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:47 PM, KevinO  wrote:

> On 03/12/2016 11:16 AM, Michael wrote:
> > Thanks, Brian. I bought the computer from a friend for $60 so I wasn't
> > expecting much. Actually this thing has run fine until I started laying
> > with Hugin!
> >
> Mike,
>
> You can go to: http://www.crucial.com/
>
> and use the "Crucial Advisor tool" to determine what your system can
> handle.
> You'll need to know the brand and model number of your motherboard or
> system.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> KevinO
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>



-- 
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[KevinO]

On 03/12/2016 11:16 AM, Michael wrote:
> Thanks, Brian. I bought the computer from a friend for $60 so I wasn't
> expecting much. Actually this thing has run fine until I started laying
> with Hugin!
> 
Mike,

You can go to: http://www.crucial.com/

and use the "Crucial Advisor tool" to determine what your system can handle.
You'll need to know the brand and model number of your motherboard or system.

HTH

-- 
KevinO
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Brian Cluff]

Yeah, I have to admit that Hugin is the main reason that my computer has so 
much RAM.

Brian Cluff

On March 12, 2016 11:16:06 AM MST, Michael  wrote:
>Thanks, Brian. I bought the computer from a friend for $60 so I wasn't
>expecting much. Actually this thing has run fine until I started laying
>with Hugin!
>
>On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing you are nowhere near maxed out.  It says you have 2
>empty
>> DIMM slots, and the other 2 slots only have 2 gig DIMMs in them, so
>I'm
>> guessing that you can probably put bare minimum of double the memory
>you
>> have now and probably at least 4X times memory you have now if you
>outright
>> replace the DIMMs with 4 gig sticks.
>>
>> Brian Cluff
>>
>>
>> On 03/12/2016 11:04 AM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>> I got some jobs that are making me a little money (finally) so I can
>>> make my computer better. I was stitching some photographs together
>and
>>> before hugin started to do it's thing  it said I didn't have enough
>>> memory to run four threads but enough to run only one. How can I
>tell if
>>> my memory is maxed?
>>>   The attachment is lshw (I think that is what I need to do) and
>this is
>>> what I think is the correct section:
>>>
>>>   *-memory
>>>description: System Memory
>>>physical id: 28
>>>slot: System board or motherboard
>>>size: 4GiB
>>>  *-bank:0
>>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>>>   product: None
>>>   vendor: None
>>>   physical id: 0
>>>   serial: None
>>>   slot: A0
>>>   size: 2GiB
>>>   width: 64 bits
>>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>>  *-bank:1
>>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>>>   product: None
>>>   vendor: None
>>>   physical id: 1
>>>   serial: None
>>>   slot: A1
>>>   size: 2GiB
>>>   width: 64 bits
>>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>>  *-bank:2
>>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns) [empty]
>>>   product: None
>>>   vendor: None
>>>   physical id: 2
>>>   serial: None
>>>   slot: A2
>>>   width: 64 bits
>>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>>  *-bank:3
>>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns) [empty]
>>>   product: None
>>>   vendor: None
>>>   physical id: 3
>>>   serial: None
>>>   slot: A3
>>>   width: 64 bits
>>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>>   *-pci:0
>>>description: Host bridge
>>>product: RS880 Host Bridge
>>>vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>>>physical id: 100
>>>bus info: pci@:00:00.0
>>>version: 00
>>>width: 64 bits
>>>clock: 66MHz
>>>configuration: latency=32
>>>  *-pci:0
>>>   description: PCI bridge
>>>   product: RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (ext gfx port 0)
>>>   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>>>   physical id: 2
>>>   bus info: pci@:00:02.0
>>>   version: 00
>>>   width: 32 bits
>>>   clock: 33MHz
>>>   capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode
>>> bus_master cap_list
>>>   configuration: driver=pcieport
>>>   resources: irq:24 ioport:e000(size=4096)
>>> memory:fdf0-fdff ioport:d000(size=268435456)
>>> *-display
>>>  description: VGA compatible controller
>>>  product: RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>>>  physical id: 0
>>>  bus info: pci@:01:00.0
>>>  version: 00
>>>  width: 64 bits
>>>  clock: 33MHz
>>>  capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller
>>> bus_master cap_list rom
>>>  configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
>>>  resources: irq:27 memory:d000-dfff
>>> memory:fdfe-fdfe ioport:ee00(size=256)
>memory:fdf0-fdf1
>>> *-multimedia
>>>  description: Audio device
>>>  product: RV770 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4850/4870]
>>>  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>>>  physical id: 0.1
>>>  bus info: pci@:01:00.1
>>>  version: 00
>>>  width: 64 bits
>>>  clock: 33MHz
>>>  capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
>>>  configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
>>>  resources: irq:28 memory:fdffc000-fdff
>>>  *-pci:1
>>>

Re: memory

[Michael]

Thanks, Brian. I bought the computer from a friend for $60 so I wasn't
expecting much. Actually this thing has run fine until I started laying
with Hugin!

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> I'm guessing you are nowhere near maxed out.  It says you have 2 empty
> DIMM slots, and the other 2 slots only have 2 gig DIMMs in them, so I'm
> guessing that you can probably put bare minimum of double the memory you
> have now and probably at least 4X times memory you have now if you outright
> replace the DIMMs with 4 gig sticks.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
>
> On 03/12/2016 11:04 AM, Michael wrote:
>
>> I got some jobs that are making me a little money (finally) so I can
>> make my computer better. I was stitching some photographs together and
>> before hugin started to do it's thing  it said I didn't have enough
>> memory to run four threads but enough to run only one. How can I tell if
>> my memory is maxed?
>>   The attachment is lshw (I think that is what I need to do) and this is
>> what I think is the correct section:
>>
>>   *-memory
>>description: System Memory
>>physical id: 28
>>slot: System board or motherboard
>>size: 4GiB
>>  *-bank:0
>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>>   product: None
>>   vendor: None
>>   physical id: 0
>>   serial: None
>>   slot: A0
>>   size: 2GiB
>>   width: 64 bits
>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>  *-bank:1
>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>>   product: None
>>   vendor: None
>>   physical id: 1
>>   serial: None
>>   slot: A1
>>   size: 2GiB
>>   width: 64 bits
>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>  *-bank:2
>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns) [empty]
>>   product: None
>>   vendor: None
>>   physical id: 2
>>   serial: None
>>   slot: A2
>>   width: 64 bits
>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>  *-bank:3
>>   description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns) [empty]
>>   product: None
>>   vendor: None
>>   physical id: 3
>>   serial: None
>>   slot: A3
>>   width: 64 bits
>>   clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>>   *-pci:0
>>description: Host bridge
>>product: RS880 Host Bridge
>>vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>>physical id: 100
>>bus info: pci@:00:00.0
>>version: 00
>>width: 64 bits
>>clock: 66MHz
>>configuration: latency=32
>>  *-pci:0
>>   description: PCI bridge
>>   product: RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (ext gfx port 0)
>>   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>>   physical id: 2
>>   bus info: pci@:00:02.0
>>   version: 00
>>   width: 32 bits
>>   clock: 33MHz
>>   capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode
>> bus_master cap_list
>>   configuration: driver=pcieport
>>   resources: irq:24 ioport:e000(size=4096)
>> memory:fdf0-fdff ioport:d000(size=268435456)
>> *-display
>>  description: VGA compatible controller
>>  product: RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>>  physical id: 0
>>  bus info: pci@:01:00.0
>>  version: 00
>>  width: 64 bits
>>  clock: 33MHz
>>  capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller
>> bus_master cap_list rom
>>  configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
>>  resources: irq:27 memory:d000-dfff
>> memory:fdfe-fdfe ioport:ee00(size=256) memory:fdf0-fdf1
>> *-multimedia
>>  description: Audio device
>>  product: RV770 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4850/4870]
>>  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>>  physical id: 0.1
>>  bus info: pci@:01:00.1
>>  version: 00
>>  width: 64 bits
>>  clock: 33MHz
>>  capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
>>  configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
>>  resources: irq:28 memory:fdffc000-fdff
>>  *-pci:1
>>   description: PCI bridge
>>   product: RS780/RS880 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
>>   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>>   physical id: a
>>   bus info: pci@:00:0a.0
>>   version: 00
>>   w

Re: memory

[Brian Cluff]

I'm guessing you are nowhere near maxed out.  It says you have 2 empty 
DIMM slots, and the other 2 slots only have 2 gig DIMMs in them, so I'm 
guessing that you can probably put bare minimum of double the memory you 
have now and probably at least 4X times memory you have now if you 
outright replace the DIMMs with 4 gig sticks.


Brian Cluff

On 03/12/2016 11:04 AM, Michael wrote:

I got some jobs that are making me a little money (finally) so I can
make my computer better. I was stitching some photographs together and
before hugin started to do it's thing  it said I didn't have enough
memory to run four threads but enough to run only one. How can I tell if
my memory is maxed?
  The attachment is lshw (I think that is what I need to do) and this is
what I think is the correct section:

  *-memory
   description: System Memory
   physical id: 28
   slot: System board or motherboard
   size: 4GiB
 *-bank:0
  description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
  product: None
  vendor: None
  physical id: 0
  serial: None
  slot: A0
  size: 2GiB
  width: 64 bits
  clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
 *-bank:1
  description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
  product: None
  vendor: None
  physical id: 1
  serial: None
  slot: A1
  size: 2GiB
  width: 64 bits
  clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
 *-bank:2
  description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns) [empty]
  product: None
  vendor: None
  physical id: 2
  serial: None
  slot: A2
  width: 64 bits
  clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
 *-bank:3
  description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns) [empty]
  product: None
  vendor: None
  physical id: 3
  serial: None
  slot: A3
  width: 64 bits
  clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
  *-pci:0
   description: Host bridge
   product: RS880 Host Bridge
   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
   physical id: 100
   bus info: pci@:00:00.0
   version: 00
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 66MHz
   configuration: latency=32
 *-pci:0
  description: PCI bridge
  product: RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (ext gfx port 0)
  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
  physical id: 2
  bus info: pci@:00:02.0
  version: 00
  width: 32 bits
  clock: 33MHz
  capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode
bus_master cap_list
  configuration: driver=pcieport
  resources: irq:24 ioport:e000(size=4096)
memory:fdf0-fdff ioport:d000(size=268435456)
*-display
 description: VGA compatible controller
 product: RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
 physical id: 0
 bus info: pci@:01:00.0
 version: 00
 width: 64 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller
bus_master cap_list rom
 configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
 resources: irq:27 memory:d000-dfff
memory:fdfe-fdfe ioport:ee00(size=256) memory:fdf0-fdf1
*-multimedia
 description: Audio device
 product: RV770 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4850/4870]
 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
 physical id: 0.1
 bus info: pci@:01:00.1
 version: 00
 width: 64 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
 configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
 resources: irq:28 memory:fdffc000-fdff
 *-pci:1
  description: PCI bridge
  product: RS780/RS880 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
  physical id: a
  bus info: pci@:00:0a.0
  version: 00
  width: 32 bits
  clock: 33MHz
  capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode
bus_master cap_list
  configuration: driver=pcieport
  resources: irq:25 ioport:d000(size=4096)
memory:fde0-fdef ioport:fdb0(size=1048576)
*-network
 description: Ethernet interface
 product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
Controller
 vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
 physical id: 0
 bus in

Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

Nice will work nicely!
I think I should have apt run at 0400 hours.
 I just relooked at the man page and don't know if it is what I want.
Like I said I want it to run at 4AM. I think nice just makes it take a less
prioritized position.

MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.182.44.129 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: 

References: 
<0c928fc7-441f-4e11-916b-a65a4417e...@deviltracks.net>
<830760a8-c3a7-455f-bc14-c436bc5c7...@deviltracks.net>

Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:25:25 -0400
Delivered-To: bmi...@gmail.com
Message-ID: 
Subject: Re: memory usage
From: Michael Havens 
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d42d875317105201c18f4



On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

>
> I think crontab -e is the user crontab.  In other words it will edit the
> current user's crontab.  I think I have just used vi to edit they system
> crontab.
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-21 19:04, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> I thought that was a good idea!
>>
>> bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 -l
>> no crontab for bmike1
>> bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u root -l
>> no crontab for root
>> bmike1@c521 ~ $
>>
>> But not in my case. Unless of course there is another user it is run
>> under.
>> So the mouse wheel in my mind started to creak. So I inspected the
>> man for crontab which inspired  me to cat /etc/cron*
>> which lead me down the path to ls /etc/cron.daily/
>> and in that directory is a file! /etc/cron.daily/apt/
>>
>> So How to edit the file? Ask PLUG or ask the web? I opted to ask the
>> web. It told me: edit crontab with crontab -e
>> So I tried:
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab -e /etc/cron.daily/apt
>>
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
>>
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
>>
>> and
>>
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab -u bmike1
>> /etc/cron.daily/apt/ -e
>>
>> all of which responded with:
>> crontab: usage error: no arguments permitted after this option
>> usage: crontab [-u user] file
>>  crontab [ -u user ] [ -i ] { -e | -l | -r }
>>  (default operation is replace, per 1003.2)
>>  -e (edit user's crontab)
>>  -l (list user's crontab)
>>  -r (delete user's crontab)
>>  -i (prompt before deleting user's crontab)
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $
>> so I looked a little more in the web and so tried:
>> sudo CRONTAB -E bmike1
>>
>> which gave the same error.
>> So now I need to ask what I'm doing wrong.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system
>>> for a bit while that occurs. I had an ancient imac with ubuntu
>>> installed that the apt update would hang the system for like a
>>> half-hour with an old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory,
>>> then swap and thus disks too. I finally just disabled it, and
>>> shortly thereafter retired the outdated system itself that it
>>> obviously had outlived its usefulness vs. power drawn.
>>>
>>> You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will
>>> slam the system. Might be better off doing it manually, or setting
>>> the update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>> On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
>>> the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out
>>>> what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But
>>>> it couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top
>>>> again and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen
>>>> minutes. Am I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill
>>>> if this happens again?
>>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> --
>> [1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>
> --
> Keith Smith
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>



-- 
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Keith Smith]

I think crontab -e is the user crontab.  In other words it will edit the 
current user's crontab.  I think I have just used vi to edit they system 
crontab.




On 2015-09-21 19:04, Michael Havens wrote:

I thought that was a good idea!

bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 -l
no crontab for bmike1
bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u root -l
no crontab for root
bmike1@c521 ~ $

But not in my case. Unless of course there is another user it is run
under.
So the mouse wheel in my mind started to creak. So I inspected the
man for crontab which inspired  me to cat /etc/cron*
which lead me down the path to ls /etc/cron.daily/
and in that directory is a file! /etc/cron.daily/apt/

So How to edit the file? Ask PLUG or ask the web? I opted to ask the
web. It told me: edit crontab with crontab -e
So I tried:
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab -e /etc/cron.daily/apt

bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e

bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e

and

bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab -u bmike1
/etc/cron.daily/apt/ -e

all of which responded with:
crontab: usage error: no arguments permitted after this option
usage: crontab [-u user] file
 crontab [ -u user ] [ -i ] { -e | -l | -r }
 (default operation is replace, per 1003.2)
 -e (edit user's crontab)
 -l (list user's crontab)
 -r (delete user's crontab)
 -i (prompt before deleting user's crontab)
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $
so I looked a little more in the web and so tried:
sudo CRONTAB -E bmike1
which gave the same error.
So now I need to ask what I'm doing wrong.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash 
wrote:


I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system
for a bit while that occurs. I had an ancient imac with ubuntu
installed that the apt update would hang the system for like a
half-hour with an old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory,
then swap and thus disks too. I finally just disabled it, and
shortly thereafter retired the outdated system itself that it
obviously had outlived its usefulness vs. power drawn.

You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will
slam the system. Might be better off doing it manually, or setting
the update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.

-mb

On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:


the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out
what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But
it couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top
again and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen
minutes. Am I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill
if this happens again?


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]


--

:-)~MIKE~(-:


Links:
--
[1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


--
Keith Smith
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Keith Smith]

Look at the command "nice" to see if that will help.

On 2015-09-21 18:19, Michael Butash wrote:

I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system
for a bit while that occurs.  I had an ancient imac with ubuntu
installed that the apt update would hang the system for like a
half-hour with an old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory,
then swap and thus disks too.  I finally just disabled it, and shortly
thereafter retired the outdated system itself that it obviously had
outlived its usefulness vs. power drawn.

You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will
slam the system.  Might be better off doing it manually, or setting
the update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.

-mb


On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out 
what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it 
couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again 
and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am 
I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens 
again?


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


--
Keith Smith
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

I thought that was a good idea!

bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 -l
no crontab for bmike1
bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u root -l
no crontab for root
bmike1@c521 ~ $

But not in my case. Unless of course there is another user it is run under.
So the mouse wheel in my mind started to creak. So I inspected the man
for crontab which inspired  me to cat /etc/cron*
which lead me down the path to ls /etc/cron.daily/
and in that directory is a file! /etc/cron.daily/apt/

So How to edit the file? Ask PLUG or ask the web? I opted to ask the web.
It told me: edit crontab with crontab -e
So I tried:
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab -e /etc/cron.daily/apt
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
and
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 /etc/cron.daily/apt/ -e
all of which responded with:
crontab: usage error: no arguments permitted after this option
usage: crontab [-u user] file
crontab [ -u user ] [ -i ] { -e | -l | -r }
(default operation is replace, per 1003.2)
-e (edit user's crontab)
-l (list user's crontab)
-r (delete user's crontab)
-i (prompt before deleting user's crontab)
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $
so I looked a little more in the web and so tried:
sudo *crontab -e* bmike1
which gave the same error.
So now I need to ask what I'm doing wrong.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system for a
> bit while that occurs.  I had an ancient imac with ubuntu installed that
> the apt update would hang the system for like a half-hour with an old
> 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory, then swap and thus disks
> too.  I finally just disabled it, and shortly thereafter retired the
> outdated system itself that it obviously had outlived its usefulness vs.
> power drawn.
>
> You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will slam
> the system.  Might be better off doing it manually, or setting the update
> time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out what
>> it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it couldn't of
>> been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again and it seemed to
>> have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am I correct in what I
>> think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens again?
>>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>



-- 
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Michael Butash]

I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system for 
a bit while that occurs.  I had an ancient imac with ubuntu installed 
that the apt update would hang the system for like a half-hour with an 
old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory, then swap and thus 
disks too.  I finally just disabled it, and shortly thereafter retired 
the outdated system itself that it obviously had outlived its usefulness 
vs. power drawn.


You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will slam 
the system.  Might be better off doing it manually, or setting the 
update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.


-mb


On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out 
what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it 
couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again 
and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am 
I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens 
again?


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Brian Cluff]

Most desktops have a number of package related scripts that run in the 
background that will update your package database, and/or install 
updates, etc.  Since they are working with the package database, apt 
will lock the database while it is in use.  Usually you won't notice 
these scripts running at all, but if there are a number of updates that 
are installing your system can work fairly hard while they are being 
installed.
It's best to just leave it to it's work until it's done so you don't 
accidentally leave you system broken and possibly unbootable if it's 
upgrading something like the kernel.


Brian Cluff

On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out what
it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it couldn't
of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again and it
seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am I
correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens again?

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ed mailto:p...@0x1b.com>> wrote:

smem

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Fabian Santiago
mailto:fsanti...@deviltracks.net>> wrote:
 > Sorry, lower case top
 >
 > --
 >
 > Fabe
 >
 >
 > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago
mailto:fsanti...@deviltracks.net>>
 > wrote:
 >
 > Top
 >
 > --
 >
 > Fabe
 >
 >
 > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 > what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage?
Something
 > is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
 >
 > --
 > :-)~MIKE~(-:
 >
 > ---
 > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org

 > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
 >
 > ---
 > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org

 > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
 >
 >
 > ---
 > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org

 > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss




--
:-)~MIKE~(-:


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss



---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out what it
does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it couldn't of
been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again and it seemed to
have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am I correct in what I
think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens again?

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ed  wrote:

> smem
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Fabian Santiago
>  wrote:
> > Sorry, lower case top
> >
> > --
> >
> > Fabe
> >
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Top
> >
> > --
> >
> > Fabe
> >
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> >
> > what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage?
> Something
> > is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
> >
> > --
> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >
> > ---
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> > ---
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> >
> > ---
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>



-- 
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Ed]

smem

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Fabian Santiago
 wrote:
> Sorry, lower case top
>
> --
>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago 
> wrote:
>
> Top
>
> --
>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something
> is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
>
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

Thank you so much.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Fabian Santiago  wrote:

> Sorry, lower case top
>
> --
>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago 
> wrote:
>
> Top
>
> --
>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something
> is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
>
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>



-- 
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Fabian Santiago]

Sorry, lower case top 

--

Fabe


> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago  
> wrote:
> 
> Top
> 
> --
> 
> Fabe
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>> 
>> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something 
>> is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
>> 
>> -- 
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory usage

[Fabian Santiago]

Top

--

Fabe


> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> 
> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something is 
> bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
> 
> -- 
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

I haven't stressed it at all yet the hard drive doesn't run as often

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> The important part is, does it feel faster?
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On October 13, 2014 7:13:48 PM MST, Michael Havens 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I got the new memory installed and all. Here are the new stats:
>>
>>  $ free -h
>>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
>> Mem:3.8G  1.9G   1.9G14M91M826M
>> -/+ buffers/cache:   1.0G   2.8G
>> Swap: 5.6G 0B   5.6G
>>
>> top - 19:00:37 up  3:18,  2 users,  load average: 0.46, 0.51, 0.49
>> Tasks: 166 total,   2 running, 164 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>> %Cpu(s): 16.9 us,  7.6 sy,  2.3 ni, 71.1 id,  2.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
>>  0.0 st
>> KiB Mem:   3982068 total,  2067916 used,  1914152 free,94192 buffers
>> KiB Swap:  5855656 total,0 used,  5855656 free.   850704 cached
>> Mem
>>
>> before free:
>> free -h
>>total   used   freeshared
>>  buffers   cached
>> Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M59M   535M
>>
>> before top:
>> top - 22:16:50 up 1 day,  8:59,  2 users,  load average: 0.30, 0.19, 0.15
>> Tasks: 168 total,   2 running, 166 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>> %Cpu(s): 12.0 us,  2.3 sy,  0.0 ni, 84.1 id,  1.7 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
>>  0.0 st
>> KiB Mem:   1983332 total,  1812836 used,   170496 free,57184 buffers
>> KiB Swap:  5855656 total,40496 used,  5815160 free.   560792 cached
>> Mem
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> --
>>
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Brian Cluff]

The important part is, does it feel faster?

Brian Cluff

On October 13, 2014 7:13:48 PM MST, Michael Havens  wrote:
>Well, I got the new memory installed and all. Here are the new stats:
>
> $ free -h
>   total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
>Mem:3.8G  1.9G   1.9G14M91M826M
>-/+ buffers/cache:   1.0G   2.8G
>Swap: 5.6G 0B   5.6G
>
>top - 19:00:37 up  3:18,  2 users,  load average: 0.46, 0.51, 0.49
>Tasks: 166 total,   2 running, 164 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>%Cpu(s): 16.9 us,  7.6 sy,  2.3 ni, 71.1 id,  2.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
> 0.0 st
>KiB Mem:   3982068 total,  2067916 used,  1914152 free,94192
>buffers
>KiB Swap:  5855656 total,0 used,  5855656 free.   850704 cached
>Mem
>
>before free:
>free -h
>   total   used   freesharedbuffers
>  cached
>Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M59M  
>535M
>
>before top:
>top - 22:16:50 up 1 day,  8:59,  2 users,  load average: 0.30, 0.19,
>0.15
>Tasks: 168 total,   2 running, 166 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>%Cpu(s): 12.0 us,  2.3 sy,  0.0 ni, 84.1 id,  1.7 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
> 0.0 st
>KiB Mem:   1983332 total,  1812836 used,   170496 free,57184
>buffers
>KiB Swap:  5855656 total,40496 used,  5815160 free.   560792 cached
>Mem
>:-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
>
>
>---
>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

Well, I got the new memory installed and all. Here are the new stats:

 $ free -h
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:3.8G  1.9G   1.9G14M91M826M
-/+ buffers/cache:   1.0G   2.8G
Swap: 5.6G 0B   5.6G

top - 19:00:37 up  3:18,  2 users,  load average: 0.46, 0.51, 0.49
Tasks: 166 total,   2 running, 164 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 16.9 us,  7.6 sy,  2.3 ni, 71.1 id,  2.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
 0.0 st
KiB Mem:   3982068 total,  2067916 used,  1914152 free,94192 buffers
KiB Swap:  5855656 total,0 used,  5855656 free.   850704 cached Mem

before free:
free -h
   total   used   freesharedbuffers
  cached
Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M59M   535M

before top:
top - 22:16:50 up 1 day,  8:59,  2 users,  load average: 0.30, 0.19, 0.15
Tasks: 168 total,   2 running, 166 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 12.0 us,  2.3 sy,  0.0 ni, 84.1 id,  1.7 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
 0.0 st
KiB Mem:   1983332 total,  1812836 used,   170496 free,57184 buffers
KiB Swap:  5855656 total,40496 used,  5815160 free.   560792 cached Mem
:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[techlists]

Mint is very easy to install.


On 2014-10-10 13:45, Michael Havens wrote:

if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting Linux on
it?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff 
wrote:


Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops die ever. 
I just don't invest anything extra in them after a couple of
years.  It just makes more sense to save your money and get another
better one than it does to pour a bunch on money into a laptop that
is well past it's prime.

Brian

On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

My mileage has been much better

On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:
I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything
you
get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much
money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.

That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops,
but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still
wouldn't
put much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.

Brian

On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

    How old is the laptop and what brand?

    On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

        On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,
mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

            My question is what is the computer used for? 
Are you
using it
            for your Linux from scratch project?

        Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my
main
computer
        (which I have since learned is BAD); I was running
everything
        through
        it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I
rarely
use that
        feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard
Reader/Writer. Then
        certain
        keys started not working (and things were progressively
getting
        worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then
when I
was at
        the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch
didn't work.
        Time
        to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it
for
finances
        until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside.
Then
the fan
        wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the
computer
to a
        repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch
computer
and
        turned it into my central computer. This means I'll
have to get
        another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all
over with
        LFS. I
        told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the
dropping
        keys, and
        the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got
back
to me
        yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine
and
that the
        keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the
internet
switch
        and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now
thinking
        that the
        card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't
know.
        --__-
        PLUG-discuss mailing list -
PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
        
        To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
settings:
       
http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]
       


    --__-
    PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
    
    To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
    http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]
    

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2]

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2]

 ---
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2]

 ---
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2]



Links:
--
[1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
[2] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

$100 dollars is a LOT of money to me. I'm getting it fixed.

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> I agree with BrianI would not put any money into a 3 year old laptop
> when $100 is the incremental cost of a new laptop. Three years is a really
> long time in the laptop world.
>
> It is easy to find the issues with installing Linux on a laptop - just
> google the model number and Linux. I have found that many others have
> blazed the trail before and know where there are issues.
>
> Either recycle the old laptop or use it as a web server, router, backup
> device with attached USB drive(s), media serverthe possibilities are
> endless for a small footprint, lower than desktop power requirements, and a
> built in batter backup...;)
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>
>> If your fixes are only $100 difference between a new laptop and fixing
>> the old, I would just go for a new one.  You will be better off for it.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On 10/10/2014 01:38 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>>> I'm happy with the laptop so I'm just going to get it fixed and save
>>> myself around $100 .
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Mark Phillips
>>> mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is a little more challenging installing Linux with the Windows 8
>>> secure boot, but there are lots of articles on the Internet to help
>>> get over this annoyance. You could also buy a laptop from the Linux
>>> laptop vendors - System 76 is one that comes to mind, and there are
>>> several more.
>>>
>>> I have used a lot of Dell laptops and towers with Linux - just be
>>> sure to check the hardware first. I am using my first System 76
>>> laptop now, and I am very pleased with it.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Stephen Partington
>>> mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> not that i have experienced so far.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Michael Havens
>>> mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting
>>> Linux on it?
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff
>>> mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops
>>> die ever.  I just don't invest anything extra in them
>>> after a couple of years.  It just makes more sense to
>>> save your money and get another better one than it does
>>> to pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past
>>> it's prime.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My mileage has been much better
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:
>>>
>>> I always figure that a laptop is good for about
>>> 2 years.  Anything you
>>> get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly
>>> wouldn't put much
>>> money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2
>>> year mark.
>>>
>>> That being said, I usually get more than 2 years
>>> out of my laptops,
>>> but I baby them, so they have really easy lives,
>>> but I still wouldn't
>>> put much into any of them except the one that is
>>> under 2 years old.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
>>> it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM,
>>> >> 
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
>>>  How old is the laptop and what brand?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,
>>> >> 
>>>  >>
>>> >> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My question is what is the
>>> 

Re: memory

[Mark Phillips]

I agree with BrianI would not put any money into a 3 year old laptop
when $100 is the incremental cost of a new laptop. Three years is a really
long time in the laptop world.

It is easy to find the issues with installing Linux on a laptop - just
google the model number and Linux. I have found that many others have
blazed the trail before and know where there are issues.

Either recycle the old laptop or use it as a web server, router, backup
device with attached USB drive(s), media serverthe possibilities are
endless for a small footprint, lower than desktop power requirements, and a
built in batter backup...;)

Mark

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> If your fixes are only $100 difference between a new laptop and fixing the
> old, I would just go for a new one.  You will be better off for it.
>
> Brian
>
> On 10/10/2014 01:38 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> I'm happy with the laptop so I'm just going to get it fixed and save
>> myself around $100 .
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Mark Phillips
>> mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz>> wrote:
>>
>> It is a little more challenging installing Linux with the Windows 8
>> secure boot, but there are lots of articles on the Internet to help
>> get over this annoyance. You could also buy a laptop from the Linux
>> laptop vendors - System 76 is one that comes to mind, and there are
>> several more.
>>
>> I have used a lot of Dell laptops and towers with Linux - just be
>> sure to check the hardware first. I am using my first System 76
>> laptop now, and I am very pleased with it.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Stephen Partington
>> mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> not that i have experienced so far.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Michael Havens
>> mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting
>> Linux on it?
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff
>> mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops
>> die ever.  I just don't invest anything extra in them
>> after a couple of years.  It just makes more sense to
>> save your money and get another better one than it does
>> to pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past
>> it's prime.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> My mileage has been much better
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:
>>
>> I always figure that a laptop is good for about
>> 2 years.  Anything you
>> get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly
>> wouldn't put much
>> money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2
>> year mark.
>>
>> That being said, I usually get more than 2 years
>> out of my laptops,
>> but I baby them, so they have really easy lives,
>> but I still wouldn't
>> put much into any of them except the one that is
>> under 2 years old.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>> it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM,
>> > 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>>  How old is the laptop and what brand?
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,
>> > 
>>  >
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>  My question is what is the
>> computer used for?  Are you
>> using it
>>  for your Linux from scratch
>> project?
>>
>>
>>  Well what happened is

Re: memory

[Brian Cluff]

If your fixes are only $100 difference between a new laptop and fixing 
the old, I would just go for a new one.  You will be better off for it.


Brian

On 10/10/2014 01:38 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

I'm happy with the laptop so I'm just going to get it fixed and save
myself around $100 .

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Mark Phillips
mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz>> wrote:

It is a little more challenging installing Linux with the Windows 8
secure boot, but there are lots of articles on the Internet to help
get over this annoyance. You could also buy a laptop from the Linux
laptop vendors - System 76 is one that comes to mind, and there are
several more.

I have used a lot of Dell laptops and towers with Linux - just be
sure to check the hardware first. I am using my first System 76
laptop now, and I am very pleased with it.

Mark

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Stephen Partington
mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

not that i have experienced so far.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Michael Havens
mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting
Linux on it?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff
mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops
die ever.  I just don't invest anything extra in them
after a couple of years.  It just makes more sense to
save your money and get another better one than it does
to pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past
it's prime.

Brian


On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com
 wrote:



My mileage has been much better






On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:

I always figure that a laptop is good for about
2 years.  Anything you
get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly
wouldn't put much
money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2
year mark.

That being said, I usually get more than 2 years
out of my laptops,
but I baby them, so they have really easy lives,
but I still wouldn't
put much into any of them except the one that is
under 2 years old.

Brian

On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM,
mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>
>> wrote:

 How old is the laptop and what brand?



 On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,
mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>
 >> wrote:

 My question is what is the
computer used for?  Are you
using it
 for your Linux from scratch
project?


 Well what happened is I was
using my laptop as my main
computer
 (which I have since learned is
BAD); I was running everything
 through
 it. Then the card reader didn't
work. No problem, I rarely
use that
 feature anyways and I got a USB
Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
 certain
 keys started not working (and
things were progressively getting
 worse). No problem, I got a USB
keyboard/mouse. Then when I
was at
 the airport to go to FL I found the
internet switch didn't work.
  

Re: memory

[Brian Cluff]

Probably not, but it would be worth doing a little research to see if 
there is anything that doesn't work out of the box.


The most I haven't been able to get to work out of the box so far has 
been some of the specialized hot keys, but I don't use them anyway, and 
I was able to tweak a config to make them work and then on more recent 
versions they have worked out of the box.


Brian

Brian

On 10/10/2014 11:45 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting Linux on it?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops die ever.  I
just don't invest anything extra in them after a couple of years.
It just makes more sense to save your money and get another better
one than it does to pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well
past it's prime.

Brian


On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com
 wrote:



My mileage has been much better






On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:

I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.
Anything you
get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't
put much
money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.

That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my
laptops,
but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still
wouldn't
put much into any of them except the one that is under 2
years old.

Brian

On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM,
mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>
>> wrote:

 How old is the laptop and what brand?



 On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,
mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>
 >> wrote:

 My question is what is the computer used
for?  Are you
using it
 for your Linux from scratch project?


 Well what happened is I was using my laptop
as my main
computer
 (which I have since learned is BAD); I was
running everything
 through
 it. Then the card reader didn't work. No
problem, I rarely
use that
 feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard
Reader/Writer. Then
 certain
 keys started not working (and things were
progressively getting
 worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse.
Then when I
was at
 the airport to go to FL I found the internet
switch didn't work.
 Time
 to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still
use it for
finances
 until I get it to a shop when I return from
Surfside. Then
the fan
 wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and
took the computer
to a
 repair shop SO I then took my Linux from
Scratch computer
and
 turned it into my central computer. This means
I'll have to get
 another computer for Linux from Scratch and
start all over with
 LFS. I
 told the lady at the repair shop about the fan,
the dropping
 keys, and
 the internet switch (forgot about the reader).
She got back
to me
 yesterday and said that the fan was working
just fine and
that the
 keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired
about the internet
switch
 and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm
now thinking
 that the
 card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I
don't know.

-

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

I'm happy with the laptop so I'm just going to get it fixed and save myself
around $100 .

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> It is a little more challenging installing Linux with the Windows 8 secure
> boot, but there are lots of articles on the Internet to help get over this
> annoyance. You could also buy a laptop from the Linux laptop vendors -
> System 76 is one that comes to mind, and there are several more.
>
> I have used a lot of Dell laptops and towers with Linux - just be sure to
> check the hardware first. I am using my first System 76 laptop now, and I
> am very pleased with it.
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Stephen Partington  > wrote:
>
>> not that i have experienced so far.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Michael Havens 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting Linux on it?
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>>>
 Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops die ever.  I
 just don't invest anything extra in them after a couple of years.  It just
 makes more sense to save your money and get another better one than it does
 to pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past it's prime.

 Brian


 On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

>
>
> My mileage has been much better
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:
>
>> I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you
>> get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much
>> money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.
>>
>> That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops,
>> but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still wouldn't
>> put much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>>> it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> How old is the laptop and what brand?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you
>>> using it
>>> for your Linux from scratch project?
>>>
>>>
>>> Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main
>>> computer
>>> (which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything
>>> through
>>> it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely
>>> use that
>>> feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
>>> certain
>>> keys started not working (and things were progressively
>>> getting
>>> worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I
>>> was at
>>> the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't
>>> work.
>>> Time
>>> to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for
>>> finances
>>> until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then
>>> the fan
>>> wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer
>>> to a
>>> repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer
>>> and
>>> turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to
>>> get
>>> another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over
>>> with
>>> LFS. I
>>> told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping
>>> keys, and
>>> the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back
>>> to me
>>> yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and
>>> that the
>>> keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet
>>> switch
>>> and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking
>>> that the
>>> card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
>>> --__-
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__
>>> org
>>> 
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>> 
>>>
>>> --__-
>>> PLUG-discuss m

Re: memory

[Mark Phillips]

It is a little more challenging installing Linux with the Windows 8 secure
boot, but there are lots of articles on the Internet to help get over this
annoyance. You could also buy a laptop from the Linux laptop vendors -
System 76 is one that comes to mind, and there are several more.

I have used a lot of Dell laptops and towers with Linux - just be sure to
check the hardware first. I am using my first System 76 laptop now, and I
am very pleased with it.

Mark

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> not that i have experienced so far.
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting Linux on it?
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>>
>>> Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops die ever.  I just
>>> don't invest anything extra in them after a couple of years.  It just makes
>>> more sense to save your money and get another better one than it does to
>>> pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past it's prime.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>>


 My mileage has been much better






 On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:

> I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you
> get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much
> money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.
>
> That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops,
> but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still wouldn't
> put much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.
>
> Brian
>
> On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, > > wrote:
>>
>> How old is the laptop and what brand?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, > > wrote:
>>
>> My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you
>> using it
>> for your Linux from scratch project?
>>
>>
>> Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main
>> computer
>> (which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything
>> through
>> it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely
>> use that
>> feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
>> certain
>> keys started not working (and things were progressively
>> getting
>> worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I
>> was at
>> the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't
>> work.
>> Time
>> to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for
>> finances
>> until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then
>> the fan
>> wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer
>> to a
>> repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer
>> and
>> turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to
>> get
>> another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over
>> with
>> LFS. I
>> told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping
>> keys, and
>> the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back
>> to me
>> yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and
>> that the
>> keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet
>> switch
>> and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking
>> that the
>> card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
>> --__-
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
>> 
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>> 
>>
>> --__-
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
>> 
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>> 

Re: memory

[Stephen Partington]

not that i have experienced so far.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting Linux on it?
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>
>> Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops die ever.  I just
>> don't invest anything extra in them after a couple of years.  It just makes
>> more sense to save your money and get another better one than it does to
>> pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past it's prime.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My mileage has been much better
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:
>>>
 I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you
 get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much
 money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.

 That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops,
 but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still wouldn't
 put much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.

 Brian

 On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

> it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM,  > wrote:
>
> How old is the laptop and what brand?
>
>
>
> On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,  > wrote:
>
> My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you
> using it
> for your Linux from scratch project?
>
>
> Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main
> computer
> (which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything
> through
> it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely
> use that
> feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
> certain
> keys started not working (and things were progressively getting
> worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I
> was at
> the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't
> work.
> Time
> to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for
> finances
> until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then
> the fan
> wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer
> to a
> repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer
> and
> turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to get
> another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over with
> LFS. I
> told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping
> keys, and
> the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back
> to me
> yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and
> that the
> keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet
> switch
> and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking
> that the
> card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
> --__-
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
> 
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> 
>
> --__-
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
> 
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> 
>
>
>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
 ---
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> 

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

if I were to get a new laptop would I have problems putting Linux on it?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops die ever.  I just
> don't invest anything extra in them after a couple of years.  It just makes
> more sense to save your money and get another better one than it does to
> pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past it's prime.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> My mileage has been much better
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:
>>
>>> I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you
>>> get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much
>>> money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.
>>>
>>> That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops,
>>> but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still wouldn't
>>> put much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
 it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, >>> > wrote:

 How old is the laptop and what brand?



 On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, >>> > wrote:

 My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you
 using it
 for your Linux from scratch project?


 Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main
 computer
 (which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything
 through
 it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely
 use that
 feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
 certain
 keys started not working (and things were progressively getting
 worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I
 was at
 the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't work.
 Time
 to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for
 finances
 until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then
 the fan
 wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer
 to a
 repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer
 and
 turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to get
 another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over with
 LFS. I
 told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping
 keys, and
 the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back
 to me
 yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and
 that the
 keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet
 switch
 and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking
 that the
 card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
 --__-
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
 
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
 

 --__-
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org
 
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
 




 ---
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>>  ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phx

Re: memory

[Brian Cluff]

Don't get me wrong.  I've only had a couple of laptops die ever.  I just 
don't invest anything extra in them after a couple of years.  It just 
makes more sense to save your money and get another better one than it 
does to pour a bunch on money into a laptop that is well past it's prime.


Brian

On 10/10/2014 10:38 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:



My mileage has been much better






On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:

I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you
get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much
money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.

That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops,
but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still wouldn't
put much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.

Brian

On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

How old is the laptop and what brand?



On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you
using it
for your Linux from scratch project?


Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main
computer
(which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything
through
it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely
use that
feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
certain
keys started not working (and things were progressively getting
worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I
was at
the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't work.
Time
to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for
finances
until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then
the fan
wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer
to a
repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer
and
turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to get
another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over with
LFS. I
told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping
keys, and
the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back
to me
yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and
that the
keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet
switch
and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking
that the
card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
--__-
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


--__-
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss





---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss



---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you get
> beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much money/effort
> into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.
>

Why not? Is it only because the technology would have progressed?
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> Mike,
>
> On page 91 of the Dell Dimension C521 that I sent to you...
>

I didn't even notice that you sent me the manual. Thanks! That will be
beneficial. Also, after perusing it a little I noticed that they said that
the memories need to be identical in pairs. To me that is saying that the
two 800 Mhz banks would work at 800 Mhz and (if I am sent 533 Mhz chips)the
two 533 Mhz chips would work together.  Here is what it says:

DDR2 Memory Overview
Your computer has a minimum memory configuration of one DDR2 memory module.
This memory module must be installed in DIMM1. If two or more DDR2 memory
modules are installed, they should be installed in pairs of matched memory
size, speed, and technology. If the DDR2 memory modules are not installed
in matched pairs, the computer will continue to operate, but with a slight
reduction in performance. See the label on the module to determine the
module’s capacity.
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[techlists]

My mileage has been much better






On 2014-10-10 12:23, Brian Cluff wrote:

I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you
get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much
money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.

That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops,
but I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still wouldn't
put much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.

Brian

On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

How old is the laptop and what brand?



On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you 
using it

for your Linux from scratch project?


Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main 
computer

(which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything
through
it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely use 
that

feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
certain
keys started not working (and things were progressively 
getting
worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I 
was at
the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't 
work.

Time
to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for 
finances
until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then the 
fan
wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer 
to a
repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer 
and
turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to 
get
another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over 
with

LFS. I
told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping
keys, and
the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back to 
me
yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and that 
the
keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet 
switch

and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking
that the
card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
--__-
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


--__-
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss





---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss



---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Brian Cluff]

I always figure that a laptop is good for about 2 years.  Anything you 
get beyond that are bonus years, but I certainly wouldn't put much 
money/effort into repairing a laptop after the 2 year mark.


That being said, I usually get more than 2 years out of my laptops, but 
I baby them, so they have really easy lives, but I still wouldn't put 
much into any of them except the one that is under 2 years old.


Brian

On 10/10/2014 09:42 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

How old is the laptop and what brand?



On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM, mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:

My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you using it
for your Linux from scratch project?


Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main computer
(which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything
through
it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely use that
feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then
certain
keys started not working (and things were progressively getting
worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I was at
the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't work.
Time
to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for finances
until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then the fan
wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer to a
repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer and
turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to get
another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over with
LFS. I
told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping
keys, and
the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back to me
yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and that the
keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet switch
and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking
that the
card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
--__-
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


--__-
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss





---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss



---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

it is a 3 year old compaq. not that old!

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM,  wrote:

> How old is the laptop and what brand?
>
>
>
> On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>  My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you using it
>>> for your Linux from scratch project?
>>>
>>
>> Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main computer
>> (which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything through
>> it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely use that
>> feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then certain
>> keys started not working (and things were progressively getting
>> worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I was at
>> the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't work. Time
>> to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for finances
>> until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then the fan
>> wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer to a
>> repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer and
>> turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to get
>> another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over with LFS. I
>> told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping keys, and
>> the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back to me
>> yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and that the
>> keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet switch
>> and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking that the
>> card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[techlists]

How old is the laptop and what brand?


On 2014-10-10 11:35, Michael Havens wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,  wrote:


My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you using it
for your Linux from scratch project?


Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main computer
(which I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything through
it. Then the card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely use that
feature anyways and I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then certain
keys started not working (and things were progressively getting
worse). No problem, I got a USB keyboard/mouse. Then when I was at
the airport to go to FL I found the internet switch didn't work. Time
to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can still use it for finances
until I get it to a shop when I return from Surfside. Then the fan
wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the computer to a
repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer and
turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to get
another computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over with LFS. I
told the lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping keys, and
the internet switch (forgot about the reader). She got back to me
yesterday and said that the fan was working just fine and that the
keyboard needed to be replaced. I inquired about the internet switch
and she said it was a part of the keyboard. I'm now thinking that the
card reader is a part of the keyboard too but I don't know.
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM,  wrote:

>
> My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you using it for your
> Linux from scratch project?
>

Well what happened is I was using my laptop as my main computer (which
I have since learned is BAD); I was running everything through it. Then the
card reader didn't work. No problem, I rarely use that feature anyways and
I got a USB Multicard Reader/Writer. Then certain keys started not working
(and things were progressively getting worse). No problem, I got a USB
keyboard/mouse. Then when I was at the airport to go to FL I found the
internet switch didn't work. Time to take it to a repair shop. Well, I can
still use it for finances until I get it to a shop when I return from
Surfside. Then the fan wasn't working. Then I got back from FL and took the
computer to a repair shop SO I then took my Linux from Scratch computer
and turned it into my central computer. This means I'll have to get another
computer for Linux from Scratch and start all over with LFS. I told the
lady at the repair shop about the fan, the dropping keys, and the internet
switch (forgot about the reader). She got back to me yesterday and said
that the fan was working just fine and that the keyboard needed to be
replaced. I inquired about the internet switch and she said it was a part
of the keyboard. I'm now thinking that the card reader is a part of the
keyboard too but I don't know.
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

 Tasks: 335 total,   1 running, 330 sleeping,   0 stopped,   4 zombie
>>>>
>>>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1
>>>> si,  0.0 st
>>>>
>>>> KiB Mem:   8159892 total,  7781364 used,   378528 free,   290460 buffers
>>>>
>>>> KiB Swap:  2086908 total,0 used,  2086908 free,  5508492 cached
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /var/log/dmesg:[0.01] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value
>>>> calculated using timer frequency.. 5985.88 BogoMIPS (lpj=11971768)
>>>>
>>>> /var/log/dmesg:[0.074024] smpboot: Total of 2 processors activated
>>>> (11971.76 BogoMIPS)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, fast cpu, but then I’ve got 4 processor-bound applications
>>>> running all the time on it so its at a load average of 4.79.  I’ve
>>>> remembered that the important numbers come from:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1
>>>> si,  0.0 st
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If that said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 0.6 id,  26.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1
>>>> si,  0.0 st
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You’d have something of a slow machine.  If it said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> %Cpu(s): 20.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 8.6 id,  70.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1
>>>> si,  0.0 st
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Youd be going to lunch while waiting for it to finish whatever you were
>>>> doing, if I remember the numbers right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to hearing what Mike discovers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [mailto:
>>>> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Phillips
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:36 PM
>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: memory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> On page 91 of the Dell Dimension C521 that I sent to you, you can use
>>>> memory sticks at 533 MHz, 667 MHz, and 800 MHz. Since the original ones are
>>>> 800 MHz, you did the right thing by changing your order from 533 MHz to 800
>>>> MHz.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line...unless you were doing a lot of RAM intensive computations
>>>> on this machine, you won't see a lot of performance improvement for your
>>>> investment of $50 in the memory.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Havens 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I emailed the company I bought the ram from and they said they would
>>>> send the 800 Mhz instead of the chips advertised. If that happens I don't
>>>> know. If it does not happen should I get the matching 533Mhz ram or can I
>>>> have the mismatching speeds (will it default the the slower speed)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" and this is what
>>>> I found.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html
>>>>
>>>> And here is the benchmark I found
>>>> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B
>>>>
>>>> I would say at least in part the cause of your computer being slow is
>>>> the CPU.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to hear if more RAM makes a difference.  Of course
>>>> RAM might effect performance if you are doing something that requires a lot
>>>> of RAM.  I assume more RAM will effect compile speed.
>>>>
>>>> This is a testament to Linux breathing life into old iron.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-

Re: memory

[Stephen Partington]

uency.. 5985.88 BogoMIPS (lpj=11971768)
>>>
>>> /var/log/dmesg:[0.074024] smpboot: Total of 2 processors activated
>>> (11971.76 BogoMIPS)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, fast cpu, but then I've got 4 processor-bound applications
>>> running all the time on it so its at a load average of 4.79.  I've
>>> remembered that the important numbers come from:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
>>> 0.0 st
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If that said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 0.6 id,  26.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
>>> 0.0 st
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd have something of a slow machine.  If it said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> %Cpu(s): 20.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 8.6 id,  70.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
>>> 0.0 st
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Youd be going to lunch while waiting for it to finish whatever you were
>>> doing, if I remember the numbers right.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing what Mike discovers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [mailto:
>>> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Phillips
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:36 PM
>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>> *Subject:* Re: memory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> On page 91 of the Dell Dimension C521 that I sent to you, you can use
>>> memory sticks at 533 MHz, 667 MHz, and 800 MHz. Since the original ones are
>>> 800 MHz, you did the right thing by changing your order from 533 MHz to 800
>>> MHz.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom line...unless you were doing a lot of RAM intensive computations
>>> on this machine, you won't see a lot of performance improvement for your
>>> investment of $50 in the memory.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>>>
>>> I emailed the company I bought the ram from and they said they would
>>> send the 800 Mhz instead of the chips advertised. If that happens I don't
>>> know. If it does not happen should I get the matching 533Mhz ram or can I
>>> have the mismatching speeds (will it default the the slower speed)?
>>>
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" and this is what I
>>> found.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html
>>>
>>> And here is the benchmark I found
>>> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B
>>>
>>> I would say at least in part the cause of your computer being slow is
>>> the CPU.
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to hear if more RAM makes a difference.  Of course RAM
>>> might effect performance if you are doing something that requires a lot of
>>> RAM.  I assume more RAM will effect compile speed.
>>>
>>> This is a testament to Linux breathing life into old iron.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-09 14:03, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
>>> bmike1@C521 ~ $ lscpu
>>> Architecture:  x86_64
>>> CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
>>> Byte Order:Little Endian
>>> CPU(s):1
>>> On-line CPU(s) list:   0
>>> Thread(s) per core:1
>>> Core(s) per socket:1
>>> Socket(s): 1
>>> NUMA node(s):  1
>>> Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD
>>> CPU family:15
>>> Model: 79
>>> Stepping:  2
>>> CPU MHz:   1000.000
>>> BogoMIPS:  2004.24
>>> Virtualization:AMD-V
>>> L1d cache: 64K
>>> L1i cache: 64K
>>> L2 cache:  512K
>>> NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> what

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

sorry about the delay I had to go to work.

top - 22:16:50 up 1 day,  8:59,  2 users,  load average: 0.30, 0.19, 0.15
Tasks: 168 total,   2 running, 166 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 12.0 us,  2.3 sy,  0.0 ni, 84.1 id,  1.7 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
 0.0 st
KiB Mem:   1983332 total,  1812836 used,   170496 free,57184 buffers
KiB Swap:  5855656 total,40496 used,  5815160 free.   560792 cached Mem

it looks to me like the additional memory will be beneficial.

Nobody answered my question; if I am sent the 533 Mhz ram instead of the
800 will the different speed rams play together? The reason I ask is Amazon
sent me a letter saying my order (the 533 Mhz) had shipped then I tried to
change my order and the company said that it wouldn't be a problem.
Further, they didn't charge me more so I am thinking they are BSing me. But
if they did that I would write a negative customer feedback report. SO I
guess they really are sending me the right memory for the price I paid for
the slower memory. This company is Computer Memory Solutions
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/node/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&me=A1X44CXPYKK87E&merchant=A1X44CXPYKK87E&redirect=true>
.

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> I have found the best number to watch is the amount of swap used. If that
> grows, then you need more RAM. If you are running slow and not using swap,
> then adding RAM won't help.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:
>
>> Unless his problem is LACK of ram.  Yes, I know it said 489M free.
>> Without a look at top I’m not convinced yet that he won’t see any
>> improvement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is ‘top’ from a machine which is pretty un-loaded:
>>
>>
>>
>> top - 16:40:14 up 63 days,  1:12,  3 users,  load average: 0.42, 0.62,
>> 0.67
>>
>> Tasks: 287 total,   1 running, 282 sleeping,   0 stopped,   4 zombie
>>
>> Cpu(s):  3.8%us,  0.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 95.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
>> 0.0%st
>>
>> Mem:   2564652k total,  2053712k used,   510940k free,91448k buffers
>>
>> Swap:  6095864k total,   371340k used,  5724524k free,   516624k cached
>>
>>
>>
>> And here’s a top from one of our servers:
>>
>>
>>
>> top - 16:42:03 up 141 days, 19:59,  6 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.02,
>> 0.05
>>
>> Tasks: 274 total,   1 running, 273 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>>
>> %Cpu(s):  3.1 us,  0.6 sy,  0.0 ni, 96.0 id,  0.3 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
>> 0.0 st
>>
>> KiB Mem:  32898652 total, 32469852 used,   428800 free,  2711252 buffers
>>
>> KiB Swap: 33506300 total, 1224 used, 33505076 free, 22613684 cached
>>
>>
>>
>> (yeah, 32G of ram.  I can edit (using emacs) a 20G file with NO
>> problems.  I know because I have)
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, nice and responsive (but then this machine says:
>>
>>
>>
>> /var/log/dmesg:[0.07] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value
>> calculated using timer frequency.. 4399.98 BogoMIPS (lpj=8799976)
>>
>> /var/log/dmesg:[0.121190] smpboot: Total of 4 processors activated
>> (17599.95 BogoMIPS)
>>
>>
>>
>> So I suppose that’s a pretty hot machine.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On the OTHER hand, look at this machine, which runs pretty much as well
>> as everything ELSE here I’ve mentioned:
>>
>>
>>
>> top - 16:45:51 up 51 days, 23:59, 28 users,  load average: 4.79, 4.46,
>> 4.51
>>
>> Tasks: 335 total,   1 running, 330 sleeping,   0 stopped,   4 zombie
>>
>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
>> 0.0 st
>>
>> KiB Mem:   8159892 total,  7781364 used,   378528 free,   290460 buffers
>>
>> KiB Swap:  2086908 total,0 used,  2086908 free,  5508492 cached
>>
>>
>>
>> /var/log/dmesg:[0.01] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value
>> calculated using timer frequency.. 5985.88 BogoMIPS (lpj=11971768)
>>
>> /var/log/dmesg:[0.074024] smpboot: Total of 2 processors activated
>> (11971.76 BogoMIPS)
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, fast cpu, but then I’ve got 4 processor-bound applications running
>> all the time on it so its at a load average of 4.79.  I’ve remembered that
>> the important numbers come from:
>>
>>
>>
>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
>> 0.0 st
>>
>>
>>
>> If that said:
>>
>>
>>
>> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 0.6 id,  26.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 s

Re: memory

[Mark Phillips]

I have found the best number to watch is the amount of swap used. If that
grows, then you need more RAM. If you are running slow and not using swap,
then adding RAM won't help.

Mark

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:

> Unless his problem is LACK of ram.  Yes, I know it said 489M free.
> Without a look at top I’m not convinced yet that he won’t see any
> improvement.
>
>
>
> Here is ‘top’ from a machine which is pretty un-loaded:
>
>
>
> top - 16:40:14 up 63 days,  1:12,  3 users,  load average: 0.42, 0.62, 0.67
>
> Tasks: 287 total,   1 running, 282 sleeping,   0 stopped,   4 zombie
>
> Cpu(s):  3.8%us,  0.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 95.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
> 0.0%st
>
> Mem:   2564652k total,  2053712k used,   510940k free,91448k buffers
>
> Swap:  6095864k total,   371340k used,  5724524k free,   516624k cached
>
>
>
> And here’s a top from one of our servers:
>
>
>
> top - 16:42:03 up 141 days, 19:59,  6 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.02,
> 0.05
>
> Tasks: 274 total,   1 running, 273 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>
> %Cpu(s):  3.1 us,  0.6 sy,  0.0 ni, 96.0 id,  0.3 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,
> 0.0 st
>
> KiB Mem:  32898652 total, 32469852 used,   428800 free,  2711252 buffers
>
> KiB Swap: 33506300 total, 1224 used, 33505076 free, 22613684 cached
>
>
>
> (yeah, 32G of ram.  I can edit (using emacs) a 20G file with NO problems.
> I know because I have)
>
>
>
> Again, nice and responsive (but then this machine says:
>
>
>
> /var/log/dmesg:[0.07] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value
> calculated using timer frequency.. 4399.98 BogoMIPS (lpj=8799976)
>
> /var/log/dmesg:[0.121190] smpboot: Total of 4 processors activated
> (17599.95 BogoMIPS)
>
>
>
> So I suppose that’s a pretty hot machine.)
>
>
>
> On the OTHER hand, look at this machine, which runs pretty much as well as
> everything ELSE here I’ve mentioned:
>
>
>
> top - 16:45:51 up 51 days, 23:59, 28 users,  load average: 4.79, 4.46, 4.51
>
> Tasks: 335 total,   1 running, 330 sleeping,   0 stopped,   4 zombie
>
> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
> 0.0 st
>
> KiB Mem:   8159892 total,  7781364 used,   378528 free,   290460 buffers
>
> KiB Swap:  2086908 total,0 used,  2086908 free,  5508492 cached
>
>
>
> /var/log/dmesg:[0.01] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value
> calculated using timer frequency.. 5985.88 BogoMIPS (lpj=11971768)
>
> /var/log/dmesg:[0.074024] smpboot: Total of 2 processors activated
> (11971.76 BogoMIPS)
>
>
>
> Again, fast cpu, but then I’ve got 4 processor-bound applications running
> all the time on it so its at a load average of 4.79.  I’ve remembered that
> the important numbers come from:
>
>
>
> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
> 0.0 st
>
>
>
> If that said:
>
>
>
> %Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 0.6 id,  26.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
> 0.0 st
>
>
>
> You’d have something of a slow machine.  If it said:
>
>
>
> %Cpu(s): 20.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 8.6 id,  70.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,
> 0.0 st
>
>
>
> Youd be going to lunch while waiting for it to finish whatever you were
> doing, if I remember the numbers right.
>
>
>
> IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc J
>
>
>
> I look forward to hearing what Mike discovers.
>
>
>
> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [mailto:
> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Phillips
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:36 PM
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: memory
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> On page 91 of the Dell Dimension C521 that I sent to you, you can use
> memory sticks at 533 MHz, 667 MHz, and 800 MHz. Since the original ones are
> 800 MHz, you did the right thing by changing your order from 533 MHz to 800
> MHz.
>
>
>
> Bottom line...unless you were doing a lot of RAM intensive computations on
> this machine, you won't see a lot of performance improvement for your
> investment of $50 in the memory.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
> I emailed the company I bought the ram from and they said they would send
> the 800 Mhz instead of the chips advertised. If that happens I don't know.
> If it does not happen should I get the matching 533Mhz ram or can I have
> the mismatching speeds (will it default the the slower speed)?
>
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>
> I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" an

RE: memory

[Carruth, Rusty]

Unless his problem is LACK of ram.  Yes, I know it said 489M free.  Without a 
look at top I’m not convinced yet that he won’t see any improvement.

 

Here is ‘top’ from a machine which is pretty un-loaded:

 

top - 16:40:14 up 63 days,  1:12,  3 users,  load average: 0.42, 0.62, 0.67

Tasks: 287 total,   1 running, 282 sleeping,   0 stopped,   4 zombie

Cpu(s):  3.8%us,  0.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 95.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st

Mem:   2564652k total,  2053712k used,   510940k free,91448k buffers

Swap:  6095864k total,   371340k used,  5724524k free,   516624k cached

 

And here’s a top from one of our servers:

 

top - 16:42:03 up 141 days, 19:59,  6 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05

Tasks: 274 total,   1 running, 273 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie

%Cpu(s):  3.1 us,  0.6 sy,  0.0 ni, 96.0 id,  0.3 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st

KiB Mem:  32898652 total, 32469852 used,   428800 free,  2711252 buffers

KiB Swap: 33506300 total, 1224 used, 33505076 free, 22613684 cached

 

(yeah, 32G of ram.  I can edit (using emacs) a 20G file with NO problems.  I 
know because I have)

 

Again, nice and responsive (but then this machine says:

 

/var/log/dmesg:[0.07] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value 
calculated using timer frequency.. 4399.98 BogoMIPS (lpj=8799976)

/var/log/dmesg:[0.121190] smpboot: Total of 4 processors activated 
(17599.95 BogoMIPS)

 

So I suppose that’s a pretty hot machine.)

 

On the OTHER hand, look at this machine, which runs pretty much as well as 
everything ELSE here I’ve mentioned:

 

top - 16:45:51 up 51 days, 23:59, 28 users,  load average: 4.79, 4.46, 4.51

Tasks: 335 total,   1 running, 330 sleeping,   0 stopped,   4 zombie

%Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,  0.0 st

KiB Mem:   8159892 total,  7781364 used,   378528 free,   290460 buffers

KiB Swap:  2086908 total,0 used,  2086908 free,  5508492 cached

 

/var/log/dmesg:[0.01] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value 
calculated using timer frequency.. 5985.88 BogoMIPS (lpj=11971768)

/var/log/dmesg:[0.074024] smpboot: Total of 2 processors activated 
(11971.76 BogoMIPS)

 

Again, fast cpu, but then I’ve got 4 processor-bound applications running all 
the time on it so its at a load average of 4.79.  I’ve remembered that the 
important numbers come from:

 

%Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 28.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,  0.0 st

 

If that said:

 

%Cpu(s): 70.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 0.6 id,  26.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,  0.0 st

 

You’d have something of a slow machine.  If it said:

 

%Cpu(s): 20.4 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 8.6 id,  70.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.1 si,  0.0 st

 

Youd be going to lunch while waiting for it to finish whatever you were doing, 
if I remember the numbers right.

 

IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc J

 

I look forward to hearing what Mike discovers.

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:36 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: memory

 

Mike,

On page 91 of the Dell Dimension C521 that I sent to you, you can use memory 
sticks at 533 MHz, 667 MHz, and 800 MHz. Since the original ones are 800 MHz, 
you did the right thing by changing your order from 533 MHz to 800 MHz. 

 

Bottom line...unless you were doing a lot of RAM intensive computations on this 
machine, you won't see a lot of performance improvement for your investment of 
$50 in the memory.

Mark

 

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

I emailed the company I bought the ram from and they said they would send the 
800 Mhz instead of the chips advertised. If that happens I don't know. If it 
does not happen should I get the matching 533Mhz ram or can I have the 
mismatching speeds (will it default the the slower speed)?




:-)~MIKE~(-:

 

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:



I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" and this is what I found.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html

And here is the benchmark I found  
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B

I would say at least in part the cause of your computer being slow is the CPU.

I'd be interested to hear if more RAM makes a difference.  Of course RAM might 
effect performance if you are doing something that requires a lot of RAM.  I 
assume more RAM will effect compile speed.

This is a testament to Linux breathing life into old iron.





On 2014-10-09 14:03, Michael Havens wrote:

bmike1@C521 ~ $ lscpu
Architecture:  x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:Little Endian
CPU(s):1
On-line CPU(s) list:   0
Thread(s) per core:1
Core(s) per socket:1
Socket(s): 1
   

Re: memory

[Mark Phillips]

Mike,

On page 91 of the Dell Dimension C521 that I sent to you, you can use
memory sticks at 533 MHz, 667 MHz, and 800 MHz. Since the original ones are
800 MHz, you did the right thing by changing your order from 533 MHz to 800
MHz.

Bottom line...unless you were doing a lot of RAM intensive computations on
this machine, you won't see a lot of performance improvement for your
investment of $50 in the memory.

Mark

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> I emailed the company I bought the ram from and they said they would send
> the 800 Mhz instead of the chips advertised. If that happens I don't know.
> If it does not happen should I get the matching 533Mhz ram or can I have
> the mismatching speeds (will it default the the slower speed)?
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" and this is what I
>> found.
>>
>> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%
>> 20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html
>>
>> And here is the benchmark I found  http://www.cpubenchmark.net/
>> cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B
>>
>> I would say at least in part the cause of your computer being slow is the
>> CPU.
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear if more RAM makes a difference.  Of course RAM
>> might effect performance if you are doing something that requires a lot of
>> RAM.  I assume more RAM will effect compile speed.
>>
>> This is a testament to Linux breathing life into old iron.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-09 14:03, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>>> bmike1@C521 ~ $ lscpu
>>> Architecture:  x86_64
>>> CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
>>> Byte Order:Little Endian
>>> CPU(s):1
>>> On-line CPU(s) list:   0
>>> Thread(s) per core:1
>>> Core(s) per socket:1
>>> Socket(s): 1
>>> NUMA node(s):  1
>>> Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD
>>> CPU family:15
>>> Model: 79
>>> Stepping:  2
>>> CPU MHz:   1000.000
>>> BogoMIPS:  2004.24
>>> Virtualization:AMD-V
>>> L1d cache: 64K
>>> L1i cache: 64K
>>> L2 cache:  512K
>>> NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>  what CPU does that box have?

 On 2014-10-09 09:36, Mark Phillips wrote:
 Michael,

 It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB
 sticks.
 RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
 Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
 Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
 Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
 Features - Dual rank , unbuffered

 You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are
 they?
 You should match the speed for all four sticks.

 The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is
 667
 MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.

 Mark

 On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
 wrote:

 Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the
 motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card
 that uses main memory for its RAM.



 Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G
 I’d get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could
 have 6G total – not bad IMHO.





 FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
 [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF
 Michael Havens
 SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
 TO: PLUG
 SUBJECT: memory



 I know this is a stupid question but...



 I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add
 memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory
 is that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are  two
 cards with 1024 mb apiece.  'free -h' reports



 free -h

total   used   free

sharedbuffers   cached

 Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M
59M   535M



 isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?



 SHould I buy this?



 NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION
 C521 [1]



 or should I get this?



 2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521
 DESKTOP [2]

 :-)~MIKE~(-:
 ---
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] [3]

 Links:
 --
 [1]

  http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-
>>> Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_

RE: memory

[Carruth, Rusty]

Well, maybe.  I don’t' remember if he gave us a 'top' output, which includes 
the 'load avg'.  If that is much above one you're probably disk limited.  I'd 
be very interested in the top part of the 'top' output.

And I've been using 'underpowered' CPUs for a long time and not feeling much if 
any pain - but then I tend to overkill the ram.  4G is minimum, IMHO.

Also 'just browsing the web' CAN eat lots of memory  Which can drive you 
into disk thrashing.  Been there, done that WAY too often...

Rusty

-Original Message-
From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of 
techli...@phpcoderusa.com
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:14 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: RE: memory


My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you using it for your Linux 
from scratch project?

If your just browsing the web and doing email, I wonder if more RAM will really 
make a difference.

When you posted your memory usage I think you had more than 400MB free.

I did a search and it appears you are running the AMD Athlon 64 3500+
(2.2 GHz) processor which by today's standards is not a very powerful CPU.  
That might be why things are slower than you might like.



On 2014-10-09 11:41, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
> Michael – Wow, I’m glad Mark thought to check the max memory for the 
> computer!  (Thanks, Mark!)
> 
> So, what Mark said.
> 
> The only thing I’d add is to modify ‘get the fastest memory you can 
> afford’ to something like ‘get as much memory as your computer can 
> hold, as fast as possible’.  There is a tradeoff here – if you have 
> enough memory to keep your computer from swapping/paging/whatever-ing 
> to and from disk then speed of ram matters.  If, however, you don’t 
> have enough memory to keep the majority of ‘active’ programs in memory 
> so you don’t need to go read them from the disk before they can run – 
> well, then faster is better for those things in memory, but as soon as 
> the disk transfer gets slower than the execution speed your faster ram 
> is useless.  Or at least doesn’t help as much as it should. IMHO, of 
> course ;-)
> 
> FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF Mark 
> Phillips
> SENT: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:36 AM
> TO: Main PLUG discussion list
> SUBJECT: Re: memory
> 
> Michael,
> 
> It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB 
> sticks.
> RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
> Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC 
> Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 ) Features - Dual rank , unbuffered
> 
> You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are they?
> You should match the speed for all four sticks.
> 
> The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is 667 
> MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the 
> motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card that 
> uses main memory for its RAM.
> 
> Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G I’d 
> get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could have 6G 
> total – not bad IMHO.
> 
> FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF Michael 
> Havens
> SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
> TO: PLUG
> SUBJECT: memory
> 
> I know this is a stupid question but...
> 
> I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add 
> memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory is 
> that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are two cards with
> 1024 mb apiece. 'free -h' reports
> 
> free -h
> 
>  total used free shared buffers cached
> 
> Mem: 1.9G 1.4G 489M 18M 59M 535M
> 
> isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?
> 
> SHould I buy this?
> 
> NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION C521 
> [1]
> 
> or should I get this?
> 
> 2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521 DESKTOP 
> [2]
> 
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
> 
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To 
> subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [3]
> 
> 
> 
> Links:
> --
> [1]
> http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFN
> D9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid

RE: memory

[techlists]

My question is what is the computer used for?  Are you using it for your 
Linux from scratch project?


If your just browsing the web and doing email, I wonder if more RAM will 
really make a difference.


When you posted your memory usage I think you had more than 400MB free.

I did a search and it appears you are running the AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 
(2.2 GHz) processor which by today's standards is not a very powerful 
CPU.  That might be why things are slower than you might like.




On 2014-10-09 11:41, Carruth, Rusty wrote:

Michael – Wow, I’m glad Mark thought to check the max memory for
the computer!  (Thanks, Mark!)

So, what Mark said.

The only thing I’d add is to modify ‘get the fastest memory you
can afford’ to something like ‘get as much memory as your computer
can hold, as fast as possible’.  There is a tradeoff here – if
you have enough memory to keep your computer from
swapping/paging/whatever-ing to and from disk then speed of ram
matters.  If, however, you don’t have enough memory to keep the
majority of ‘active’ programs in memory so you don’t need to go
read them from the disk before they can run – well, then faster is
better for those things in memory, but as soon as the disk transfer
gets slower than the execution speed your faster ram is useless.  Or
at least doesn’t help as much as it should. IMHO, of course ;-)

FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF Mark
Phillips
SENT: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:36 AM
TO: Main PLUG discussion list
SUBJECT: Re: memory

Michael,

It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB
sticks.
RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
Features - Dual rank , unbuffered

You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are they?
You should match the speed for all four sticks.

The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is 667
MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.

Mark

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the
motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card that
uses main memory for its RAM.

Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G
I’d get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could have
6G total – not bad IMHO.

FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF Michael
Havens
SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
TO: PLUG
SUBJECT: memory

I know this is a stupid question but...

I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add
memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory is
that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are two cards with
1024 mb apiece. 'free -h' reports

free -h

 total used free shared buffers cached

Mem: 1.9G 1.4G 489M 18M 59M 535M

isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?

SHould I buy this?

NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION C521
[1]

or should I get this?

2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521 DESKTOP
[2]

:-)~MIKE~(-:

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [3]



Links:
--
[1]
http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
[2]
http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
[3] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

I emailed the company I bought the ram from and they said they would send
the 800 Mhz instead of the chips advertised. If that happens I don't know.
If it does not happen should I get the matching 533Mhz ram or can I have
the mismatching speeds (will it default the the slower speed)?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" and this is what I
> found.
>
> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%
> 20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html
>
> And here is the benchmark I found  http://www.cpubenchmark.net/
> cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B
>
> I would say at least in part the cause of your computer being slow is the
> CPU.
>
> I'd be interested to hear if more RAM makes a difference.  Of course RAM
> might effect performance if you are doing something that requires a lot of
> RAM.  I assume more RAM will effect compile speed.
>
> This is a testament to Linux breathing life into old iron.
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-10-09 14:03, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> bmike1@C521 ~ $ lscpu
>> Architecture:  x86_64
>> CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
>> Byte Order:Little Endian
>> CPU(s):1
>> On-line CPU(s) list:   0
>> Thread(s) per core:1
>> Core(s) per socket:1
>> Socket(s): 1
>> NUMA node(s):  1
>> Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD
>> CPU family:15
>> Model: 79
>> Stepping:  2
>> CPU MHz:   1000.000
>> BogoMIPS:  2004.24
>> Virtualization:AMD-V
>> L1d cache: 64K
>> L1i cache: 64K
>> L2 cache:  512K
>> NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>  what CPU does that box have?
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-09 09:36, Mark Phillips wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB
>>> sticks.
>>> RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
>>> Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
>>> Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
>>> Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
>>> Features - Dual rank , unbuffered
>>>
>>> You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are
>>> they?
>>> You should match the speed for all four sticks.
>>>
>>> The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is
>>> 667
>>> MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the
>>> motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card
>>> that uses main memory for its RAM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G
>>> I’d get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could
>>> have 6G total – not bad IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF
>>> Michael Havens
>>> SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
>>> TO: PLUG
>>> SUBJECT: memory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this is a stupid question but...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add
>>> memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory
>>> is that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are  two
>>> cards with 1024 mb apiece.  'free -h' reports
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> free -h
>>>
>>>total   used   free
>>>
>>>sharedbuffers   cached
>>>
>>> Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M
>>>59M   535M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SHould I buy this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION
>>> C521 [1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> or should I get this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521
>>> DESKTOP [2]
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] [3]
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> --
>>> [1]
>>>
>>>  http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-
>> Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=
>> UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
>>
>>> [2]
>>> [2]
>>>
>>>  http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-
>> C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&
>> ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
>>
>>> [3]
>>> [3] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]
>>>
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]
>>>
>>
>>  -

Re: memory

[techlists]

I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" and this is what I 
found.


http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html

And here is the benchmark I found  
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B


I would say at least in part the cause of your computer being slow is 
the CPU.


I'd be interested to hear if more RAM makes a difference.  Of course RAM 
might effect performance if you are doing something that requires a lot 
of RAM.  I assume more RAM will effect compile speed.


This is a testament to Linux breathing life into old iron.



On 2014-10-09 14:03, Michael Havens wrote:

bmike1@C521 ~ $ lscpu
Architecture:          x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:            Little Endian
CPU(s):                1
On-line CPU(s) list:   0
Thread(s) per core:    1
Core(s) per socket:    1
Socket(s):             1
NUMA node(s):          1
Vendor ID:             AuthenticAMD
CPU family:            15
Model:                 79
Stepping:              2
CPU MHz:               1000.000
BogoMIPS:              2004.24
Virtualization:        AMD-V
L1d cache:             64K
L1i cache:             64K
L2 cache:              512K
NUMA node0 CPU(s):     0

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:


what CPU does that box have?

On 2014-10-09 09:36, Mark Phillips wrote:
Michael,

It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB
sticks.
RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
Features - Dual rank , unbuffered

You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are
they?
You should match the speed for all four sticks.

The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is
667
MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.

Mark

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the
motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card
that uses main memory for its RAM.

 

Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G
I’d get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could
have 6G total – not bad IMHO.

 

 

FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF
Michael Havens
SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
TO: PLUG
SUBJECT: memory

 

I know this is a stupid question but...

 

I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add
memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory
is that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are  two
cards with 1024 mb apiece.  'free -h' reports

 

free -h

                   total       used       free  
 
       shared    buffers   cached

Mem:          1.9G       1.4G       489M        18M
       59M       535M

 

isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?

 

SHould I buy this?

 

NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION
C521 [1]

 

or should I get this?

 

2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521
DESKTOP [2]

:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] [3]

Links:
--
[1]


http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory

[2]
[2]


http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory

[3]
[3] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]


 ---
 PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
 To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
 http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1]


Links:
--
[1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
[2]
http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
[3]
http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/pl

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

bmike1@C521 ~ $ lscpu
Architecture:  x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:Little Endian
CPU(s):1
On-line CPU(s) list:   0
Thread(s) per core:1
Core(s) per socket:1
Socket(s): 1
NUMA node(s):  1
Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD
CPU family:15
Model: 79
Stepping:  2
CPU MHz:   1000.000
BogoMIPS:  2004.24
Virtualization:AMD-V
L1d cache: 64K
L1i cache: 64K
L2 cache:  512K
NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0


:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:

>
> what CPU does that box have?
>
>
> On 2014-10-09 09:36, Mark Phillips wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB
>> sticks.
>> RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
>> Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
>> Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
>> Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
>> Features - Dual rank , unbuffered
>>
>> You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are they?
>> You should match the speed for all four sticks.
>>
>> The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is 667
>> MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the
>>> motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card
>>> that uses main memory for its RAM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G
>>> I’d get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could
>>> have 6G total – not bad IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF
>>> Michael Havens
>>> SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
>>> TO: PLUG
>>> SUBJECT: memory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this is a stupid question but...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add
>>> memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory
>>> is that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are  two
>>> cards with 1024 mb apiece.  'free -h' reports
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> free -h
>>>
>>>total   used   free
>>>sharedbuffers   cached
>>>
>>> Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M
>>>59M   535M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SHould I buy this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION
>>> C521 [1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> or should I get this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521
>>> DESKTOP [2]
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [3]
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> --
>> [1]
>> http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-
>> Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=
>> UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
>> [2]
>> http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-
>> C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&
>> ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
>> [3] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[techlists]

what CPU does that box have?


On 2014-10-09 09:36, Mark Phillips wrote:

Michael,

It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB
sticks.
RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
Features - Dual rank , unbuffered

You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are they?
You should match the speed for all four sticks.

The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is 667
MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.

Mark

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:


Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the
motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card
that uses main memory for its RAM.

 

Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G
I’d get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could
have 6G total – not bad IMHO.

 

 

FROM: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] ON BEHALF OF
Michael Havens
SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
TO: PLUG
SUBJECT: memory

 

I know this is a stupid question but...

 

I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add
memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory
is that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are  two
cards with 1024 mb apiece.  'free -h' reports

 

free -h

                   total       used       free    
       shared    buffers   cached

Mem:          1.9G       1.4G       489M        18M
       59M       535M

 

isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?

 

SHould I buy this?

 

NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION
C521 [1]

 

or should I get this?

 

2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521
DESKTOP [2]

:-)~MIKE~(-:
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [3]




Links:
--
[1]
http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
[2]
http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory
[3] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory

[Michael Havens]

yeah? I couldn't find any 2 gig memory chips so I got the two 1 gig chips.
As for the speed of the chips I hope what I got is okay. The chips in now
say 800 Mhz. oops! the chips I bought are 533 Mhz :( What will the two
different speeds do? Should I buy two more of the 533 Mhz?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:

> Michael – Wow, I’m glad Mark thought to check the max memory for the
> computer!  (Thanks, Mark!)
>
>
>
> So, what Mark said.
>
>
>
> The only thing I’d add is to modify ‘get the fastest memory you can
> afford’ to something like ‘get as much memory as your computer can hold, as
> fast as possible’.  There is a tradeoff here – if you have enough memory to
> keep your computer from swapping/paging/whatever-ing to and from disk then
> speed of ram matters.  If, however, you don’t have enough memory to keep
> the majority of ‘active’ programs in memory so you don’t need to go read
> them from the disk before they can run – well, then faster is better for
> those things in memory, but as soon as the disk transfer gets slower than
> the execution speed your faster ram is useless.  Or at least doesn’t help
> as much as it should. IMHO, of course ;-)
>
>
>
> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [mailto:
> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Phillips
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:36 AM
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: memory
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
> It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB sticks.
> RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB
> Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
> Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
> Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
> Features - Dual rank , unbuffered
>
> You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are they? You
> should match the speed for all four sticks.
>
> The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is 667
> MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:
>
> Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the motherboard –
> for example if you have an on-board graphics card that uses main memory for
> its RAM.
>
>
>
> Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G I’d get
> 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could have 6G total – not
> bad IMHO.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [mailto:
> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Havens
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
> *To:* PLUG
> *Subject:* memory
>
>
>
> I know this is a stupid question but...
>
>
>
> I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add memory.
> There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory is that? Well,
> the cards that are in there say it they are  two cards with 1024 mb apiece.
>  'free -h' reports
>
>
>
> free -h
>
>total   used   freeshared
>  buffers   cached
>
> Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M59M   535M
>
>
>
> isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?
>
>
>
> SHould I buy this?
>
>
> *NEW 4GB 4x1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHz RAM Memory for Dell Dimension C521*
> <http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory>
>
>
>
> or should I get this?
>
>
> *2GB (2x1GB) RAM Memory CMS Compatible with Dell Dimension C521 Desktop*
> <http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory>
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

RE: memory

[Carruth, Rusty]

Michael – Wow, I’m glad Mark thought to check the max memory for the computer!  
(Thanks, Mark!)

 

So, what Mark said.

 

The only thing I’d add is to modify ‘get the fastest memory you can afford’ to 
something like ‘get as much memory as your computer can hold, as fast as 
possible’.  There is a tradeoff here – if you have enough memory to keep your 
computer from swapping/paging/whatever-ing to and from disk then speed of ram 
matters.  If, however, you don’t have enough memory to keep the majority of 
‘active’ programs in memory so you don’t need to go read them from the disk 
before they can run – well, then faster is better for those things in memory, 
but as soon as the disk transfer gets slower than the execution speed your 
faster ram is useless.  Or at least doesn’t help as much as it should. IMHO, of 
course ;-)

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:36 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: memory

 

Michael,

It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB sticks.
RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB 
Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin
Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC
Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )
Features - Dual rank , unbuffered

You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are they? You should 
match the speed for all four sticks. 

The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is 667 MHz. If 
your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.

Mark

 

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:

Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the motherboard – for 
example if you have an on-board graphics card that uses main memory for its RAM.

 

Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G I’d get 4G – 
but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could have 6G total – not bad IMHO.

 

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Michael Havens
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
To: PLUG
Subject: memory

 

I know this is a stupid question but...

 

I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add memory. There 
are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory is that? Well, the cards 
that are in there say it they are  two cards with 1024 mb apiece.  'free -h' 
reports

 

free -h

   total   used   freesharedbuffers   
cached

Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M59M   535M

 

isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?

 

SHould I buy this?

 


NEW 4GB 4x1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHz RAM Memory for Dell Dimension C521 
<http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory>
 


 

or should I get this?

 


2GB (2x1GB) RAM Memory CMS Compatible with Dell Dimension C521 Desktop 
<http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory>
 


:-)~MIKE~(-:


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

 

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

RE: memory

[Carruth, Rusty]

Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the motherboard – for 
example if you have an on-board graphics card that uses main memory for its RAM.

 

Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G I’d get 4G – 
but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could have 6G total – not bad IMHO.

 

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Michael Havens
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM
To: PLUG
Subject: memory

 

I know this is a stupid question but...

 

I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add memory. There 
are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory is that? Well, the cards 
that are in there say it they are  two cards with 1024 mb apiece.  'free -h' 
reports

 

free -h

   total   used   freesharedbuffers   
cached

Mem:  1.9G   1.4G   489M18M59M   535M

 

isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?

 

SHould I buy this?

 


NEW 4GB 4x1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHz RAM Memory for Dell Dimension C521 

 


 

or should I get this?

 


2GB (2x1GB) RAM Memory CMS Compatible with Dell Dimension C521 Desktop 

 


:-)~MIKE~(-:

---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory and 64 bit processor

[Michael Havens]

thsnks guys and gals

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Bryan O'Neal <
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com> wrote:

> If you are under 256MB run 32 bit.
> From 512MB to 2GB it doesn't matter
> 4GB and above you need to be running 64 bit
> On Jan 30, 2014 10:05 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>
>> My dad got an NUC for XBMC. Will there be any noticeable difference
>> between running the 32 or 64 bit versions?
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Matt Graham wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Cluff wrote:
>>>
 Michael Havens wrote:

> What is the minimum amount of memory needed to run 64bit stuff?
>
 64bit systems have virtually identical memory requirements to 32bit
 systems.

>>>
>>> 64-bit executables are slightly larger and have a bigger memory
>>> footprint than 32-bit executables.  The differences will be tough to notice
>>> unless you've got less than 512M of RAM.  I had no problems running 64-bit
>>> distros years ago on a machine with 1G of RAM, but that was before KDE 4
>>> and insane firefox bloat.  64-bit and 4G RAM works just fine.  You'll
>>> probably be OK with 2G and maybe even 1G.
>>> --
>>> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress
>>> There is no Darkness in Eternity
>>> But only Light too dim for us to see.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory and 64 bit processor

[Bryan O'Neal]

If you are under 256MB run 32 bit.
>From 512MB to 2GB it doesn't matter
4GB and above you need to be running 64 bit
On Jan 30, 2014 10:05 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> My dad got an NUC for XBMC. Will there be any noticeable difference
> between running the 32 or 64 bit versions?
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Matt Graham  wrote:
>
>> Brian Cluff wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
 What is the minimum amount of memory needed to run 64bit stuff?

>>> 64bit systems have virtually identical memory requirements to 32bit
>>> systems.
>>>
>>
>> 64-bit executables are slightly larger and have a bigger memory footprint
>> than 32-bit executables.  The differences will be tough to notice unless
>> you've got less than 512M of RAM.  I had no problems running 64-bit distros
>> years ago on a machine with 1G of RAM, but that was before KDE 4 and insane
>> firefox bloat.  64-bit and 4G RAM works just fine.  You'll probably be OK
>> with 2G and maybe even 1G.
>> --
>> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress
>> There is no Darkness in Eternity
>> But only Light too dim for us to see.
>>
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory and 64 bit processor

[Stephen Partington]

If he has 4GB or more of ram, yes quite a difference.


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> My dad got an NUC for XBMC. Will there be any noticeable difference
> between running the 32 or 64 bit versions?
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Matt Graham  wrote:
>
>> Brian Cluff wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
 What is the minimum amount of memory needed to run 64bit stuff?

>>> 64bit systems have virtually identical memory requirements to 32bit
>>> systems.
>>>
>>
>> 64-bit executables are slightly larger and have a bigger memory footprint
>> than 32-bit executables.  The differences will be tough to notice unless
>> you've got less than 512M of RAM.  I had no problems running 64-bit distros
>> years ago on a machine with 1G of RAM, but that was before KDE 4 and insane
>> firefox bloat.  64-bit and 4G RAM works just fine.  You'll probably be OK
>> with 2G and maybe even 1G.
>> --
>> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress
>> There is no Darkness in Eternity
>> But only Light too dim for us to see.
>>
>> ---
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>



-- 
A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

Stephen
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory and 64 bit processor

[Michael Havens]

My dad got an NUC for XBMC. Will there be any noticeable difference between
running the 32 or 64 bit versions?

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Matt Graham  wrote:

> Brian Cluff wrote:
>
>> Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>>> What is the minimum amount of memory needed to run 64bit stuff?
>>>
>> 64bit systems have virtually identical memory requirements to 32bit
>> systems.
>>
>
> 64-bit executables are slightly larger and have a bigger memory footprint
> than 32-bit executables.  The differences will be tough to notice unless
> you've got less than 512M of RAM.  I had no problems running 64-bit distros
> years ago on a machine with 1G of RAM, but that was before KDE 4 and insane
> firefox bloat.  64-bit and 4G RAM works just fine.  You'll probably be OK
> with 2G and maybe even 1G.
> --
> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress
> There is no Darkness in Eternity
> But only Light too dim for us to see.
>
> ---
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory and 64 bit processor

[Matt Graham]

Brian Cluff wrote:

Michael Havens wrote:

What is the minimum amount of memory needed to run 64bit stuff?
64bit systems have virtually identical memory requirements to 32bit 
systems.


64-bit executables are slightly larger and have a bigger memory 
footprint than 32-bit executables.  The differences will be tough to 
notice unless you've got less than 512M of RAM.  I had no problems 
running 64-bit distros years ago on a machine with 1G of RAM, but that 
was before KDE 4 and insane firefox bloat.  64-bit and 4G RAM works just 
fine.  You'll probably be OK with 2G and maybe even 1G.

--
Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress
There is no Darkness in Eternity
But only Light too dim for us to see.
---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss

Re: memory and 64 bit processor

[Brian Cluff]

64bit systems have virtually identical memory requirements to 32bit systems.

Brian Cluff

On 01/30/2014 09:02 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

What is the minimum amount of memory needd to run 64bit stuff?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


---
PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss