Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Am 21. Nov, 2019 schwätzte Stephen Partington so: moin moin, Do your best to avoid a mac with the t2 security chip. That basically renders the SSD useless. Hadn't heard of that. Thanks for the heads up. I would also suggest you run refind for your boot. It will make life easier for you to swap back and forth for firmware updates. Hopefully I won't have to do much of that. ciao, der.hans On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:36 PM Matt Graham wrote: On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at least partially. Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to change your kernel boot parameters all the time. Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? Not AFAICT. Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # SeaGL is Nov 15-16 in Seattle - https://SeaGL.org/ # "so now the US army is sacrificing goats" -- Alice Cooper, 15Sep2004--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Am 21. Nov, 2019 schwätzte Matt Graham so: moin moin Matt, On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at least partially. It probably won't be a really new machine, but sound is a required feature for me in this particular case. There are several sound applications I need for work. Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to change your kernel boot parameters all the time. Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? Not AFAICT. Extra security exploits for fun. ciao, der.hans Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # SeaGL is Nov 15-16 in Seattle - https://SeaGL.org/ # You can't handle the source! - der.hans--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Am 21. Nov, 2019 schwätzte Todd Cole so: moin moin, the last intel macbook pro we did at the installfest worked perfect ubuntu 18.04 uefi the hardest part was finding the boot key "C" as I recall and added gnome tweaks to adjust the trackpad and add right click the ram in that one was EEC but could be added and increased and I hear that the newer macbook pro has integrated ram so no upgrades are possible Well, if it's all sautered in they'll have to get me one with sufficient RAM to begin with :). ciao, der.hans On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM der.hans wrote: moin moin, My experience with Apple hardware is similar to HP, they tend to use stuff that's a pain to work with. Dunno if Apple also has multiple versions of a card that all uses the same identifier. Work laptop hardware is unwell. Dunno if they'll send me new hardware or just a new battery and some bailing wire. If they will give me a new device, they will push for me to take an Apple laptop. I was able to avoid it last time, but am unsure of making my saving throw this time. Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? It'll be a stretch for me to get that, but I'm going to ask :). Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with based on the laptop color??? ciao, der.hans PS The random quote that popped up is gloriously the most appropriate for the email I was writing and who might respond :) -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "I have faith in debian-legal." -- Ted Gould --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # SeaGL is Nov 15-16 in Seattle - https://SeaGL.org/ # "This place has everything. It's even got a Hans." -- Ken Bowley--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
Do your best to avoid a mac with the t2 security chip. That basically renders the SSD useless. I would also suggest you run refind for your boot. It will make life easier for you to swap back and forth for firmware updates. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:36 PM Matt Graham wrote: > On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: > > Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on > > Apple > > laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? > > It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part > of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 > and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with > wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel > modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot > like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything > eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. > https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble > with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at > least partially. > > > Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? > > Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to > change your kernel boot parameters all the time. > > > Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? > > Not AFAICT. > > > Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with > > I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. > > -- > Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress > There is no Darkness in Eternity > But only Light too dim for us to see. > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote: Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine. Part of this was because it's Gentoo. Part of this was because it was 2017 and they've figured out a lot more stuff now. I had no problems with wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel modules that weren't marked stable yet. The whole experience was a lot like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at least partially. Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Yes. rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to change your kernel boot parameters all the time. Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? Not AFAICT. Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with. ICBW. -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: deb/ub on apple laptop?
the last intel macbook pro we did at the installfest worked perfect ubuntu 18.04 uefi the hardest part was finding the boot key "C" as I recall and added gnome tweaks to adjust the trackpad and add right click the ram in that one was EEC but could be added and increased and I hear that the newer macbook pro has integrated ram so no upgrades are possible On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM der.hans wrote: > moin moin, > > My experience with Apple hardware is similar to HP, they tend to use stuff > that's a pain to work with. Dunno if Apple also has multiple versions of a > card that all uses the same identifier. > > Work laptop hardware is unwell. Dunno if they'll send me new hardware or > just a new battery and some bailing wire. > > If they will give me a new device, they will push for me to take an Apple > laptop. I was able to avoid it last time, but am unsure of making my > saving throw this time. > > Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple > laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? > > Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? > > Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? It'll be a > stretch for me to get that, but I'm going to ask :). > > Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with based on > the laptop color??? > > ciao, > > der.hans > > PS > > The random quote that popped up is gloriously the most appropriate for the > email I was writing and who might respond :) > > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org > # "I have faith in debian-legal." -- Ted Gould > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Todd Cole Ubuntu Arizona Team 2928 W El Caminito Phoenix AZ 85051-3957 to...@azloco.com 602-677-9402 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
