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okay got it all taken care of. my issue was that I had photos on an ext3 file system and I needed windows to read it. I took care of it by booting into a live disk, formatting a stick to a msdos filesystem, copying the needed pictures onto the stick, chmod 777 these files, and all is good now! On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 5:07 AM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Actually, no you don’t. > > I am familiar enough with most of the virtual machine platforms to know > that you can assign a drive or other device directly to the vm for use. In > VMWare, it’s actually pretty easy in the setup. Virtualbox has something > similar. Also, you can even dedicate a device directly to the vm, > especially if it’s on a USB port. At that point, the VM has exclusive > control of the device in question. Also, as for direct filesystem access, > this can be easily achieved using an external drive for the filesystem you > wish to use (including but not limited to having it as bootable media, > setting up the filesystem type and various other features. Honestly, > though, if you want, you can backup your windows machine, install linux, > and then use a VM to host windows. That is what I did from late 2004 on, > using an older AMD X2 processor, plenty of internal drives and even setting > up a virtual bridge. I had windows 2k on one instance, openBSD on another > (as the system firewall and even assigned an external interface to it > directly). When I got done, I had a machine with a linux host, 5 virtual > machines, and lots of available processing power for all that I needed. I > even set up an NFS volume, and also a PXE boot server. Certainly made life > a bit more convenient with evrrything on a single machine (hardware) and 5 > or 6 remote machines in the house, all being PXE booted. I haven’t really > done much of this in the last half decade, but it shouldn’t be all that > hard to get back into it. My only difficulty with doing everything like > this at the time was some accessibility issues that required a small bit of > sighted assistance to get around certain setup issues. > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Virtual Machine > Engineering Dept. > > > On May 21, 2024, at 8:02 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > wsl won't work. I need to have access to an optical drive. So I need to > wait until I can get a dedicATED LINUX BOX. > > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Um, >> >> Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or >> some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when >> I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux >> like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a >> VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and >> ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a >> 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use >> most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from >> inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I >> don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that >> can sometimes be more useful than a VM. >> >> As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility >> wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open >> source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year >> for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why >> I avoid windows unless I have no other choice. >> >> The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no >> accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere >> on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to >> convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to >> have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even >> proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an >> accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no >> response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we >> blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to >> the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is >> installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my >> own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would >> pro
Re: wsl
Actually, no you don’t. I am familiar enough with most of the virtual machine platforms to know that you can assign a drive or other device directly to the vm for use. In VMWare, it’s actually pretty easy in the setup. Virtualbox has something similar. Also, you can even dedicate a device directly to the vm, especially if it’s on a USB port. At that point, the VM has exclusive control of the device in question. Also, as for direct filesystem access, this can be easily achieved using an external drive for the filesystem you wish to use (including but not limited to having it as bootable media, setting up the filesystem type and various other features. Honestly, though, if you want, you can backup your windows machine, install linux, and then use a VM to host windows. That is what I did from late 2004 on, using an older AMD X2 processor, plenty of internal drives and even setting up a virtual bridge. I had windows 2k on one instance, openBSD on another (as the system firewall and even assigned an external interface to it directly). When I got done, I had a machine with a linux host, 5 virtual machines, and lots of available processing power for all that I needed. I even set up an NFS volume, and also a PXE boot server. Certainly made life a bit more convenient with evrrything on a single machine (hardware) and 5 or 6 remote machines in the house, all being PXE booted. I haven’t really done much of this in the last half decade, but it shouldn’t be all that hard to get back into it. My only difficulty with doing everything like this at the time was some accessibility issues that required a small bit of sighted assistance to get around certain setup issues. -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Virtual Machine Engineering Dept. > On May 21, 2024, at 8:02 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > wsl won't work. I need to have access to an optical drive. So I need to wait > until I can get a dedicATED LINUX BOX. > > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss > mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> > wrote: > Um, > > Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or some > other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when I need > linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux like ports > software library) can be useful without having to deal with a VM, but X > desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and ORCA is not in > the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a 2012 Mac mini (and I > don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use most of the latest > available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from inside the VM > (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I don’t need to > create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that can sometimes be > more useful than a VM. > > As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility wise > for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open source, but > doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year for a license > and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why I avoid windows > unless I have no other choice. > > The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no > accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere on > the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to > convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to have > sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even > proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an > accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no > response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we > blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to > the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is > installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my own > version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would provide a > Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like me into the > full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable accommodations. Ah > well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit, but it is, at least, > minimally related to this thread. > > Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why not > just go with a VM and call it good? > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and Development > Dept. > > >> On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss >> mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>&g
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Here is a decent video on VirtualBox : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX75Z-4MEoM On 2024-05-22 06:47, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote: Yeah, just download virtual box, and your favorite Linux iso. That'll solve all the problems. -- Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro On Wed, May 22, 2024, 06:44 Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: Thats... unusual... VM's you can grant access to an optical drive directly. On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:12 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: wsl won't work. I need to have access to an optical drive. So I need to wait until I can get a dedicATED LINUX BOX. On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote: Um, Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that can sometimes be more useful than a VM. As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why I avoid windows unless I have no other choice. The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit, but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread. Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why not just go with a VM and call it good? -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and Development Dept. On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it responds with: _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... etc So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box again? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mail
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Yeah, just download virtual box, and your favorite Linux iso. That'll solve all the problems. -- Thanks, Alexander Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro On Wed, May 22, 2024, 06:44 Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Thats... unusual... VM's you can grant access to an optical drive directly. > > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:12 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> wsl won't work. I need to have access to an optical drive. So I need to >> wait until I can get a dedicATED LINUX BOX. >> >> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> Um, >>> >>> Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or >>> some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when >>> I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux >>> like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a >>> VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and >>> ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a >>> 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use >>> most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from >>> inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I >>> don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that >>> can sometimes be more useful than a VM. >>> >>> As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility >>> wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open >>> source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year >>> for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why >>> I avoid windows unless I have no other choice. >>> >>> The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no >>> accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere >>> on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to >>> convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to >>> have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even >>> proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an >>> accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no >>> response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we >>> blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to >>> the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is >>> installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my >>> own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would >>> provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like >>> me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable >>> accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit, >>> but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread. >>> >>> Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, >>> why not just go with a VM and call it good? >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and >>> Development Dept. >>> >>> >>> On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>> >>> well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so >>> I'm doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but >>> it responds with: >>> >>> _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 >>> _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... >>> _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed >>> _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... >>> etc >>> >>> So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box >>> again? >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Re: wsl
Thats... unusual... VM's you can grant access to an optical drive directly. On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:12 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > wsl won't work. I need to have access to an optical drive. So I need to > wait until I can get a dedicATED LINUX BOX. > > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Um, >> >> Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or >> some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when >> I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux >> like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a >> VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and >> ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a >> 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use >> most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from >> inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I >> don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that >> can sometimes be more useful than a VM. >> >> As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility >> wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open >> source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year >> for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why >> I avoid windows unless I have no other choice. >> >> The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no >> accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere >> on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to >> convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to >> have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even >> proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an >> accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no >> response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we >> blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to >> the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is >> installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my >> own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would >> provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like >> me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable >> accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit, >> but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread. >> >> Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why >> not just go with a VM and call it good? >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and >> Development Dept. >> >> >> On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >> well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm >> doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it >> responds with: >> >> _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 >> _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... >> _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed >> _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... >> etc >> >> So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box >> again? >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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wsl won't work. I need to have access to an optical drive. So I need to wait until I can get a dedicATED LINUX BOX. On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Um, > > Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or > some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when > I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux > like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a > VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and > ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a > 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use > most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from > inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I > don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that > can sometimes be more useful than a VM. > > As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility > wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open > source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year > for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why > I avoid windows unless I have no other choice. > > The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no > accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere > on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to > convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to > have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even > proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an > accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no > response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we > blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to > the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is > installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my > own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would > provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like > me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable > accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit, > but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread. > > Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why > not just go with a VM and call it good? > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and > Development Dept. > > > On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm > doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it > responds with: > > _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 > _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... > _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed > _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... > etc > > So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box > again? > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Wsl has some advantages over a vm in that you have direct filesystem access if needed. There are other elements of running things side by side. On Tue, May 21, 2024, 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Um, > > Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or > some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when > I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux > like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a > VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and > ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a > 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use > most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from > inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I > don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that > can sometimes be more useful than a VM. > > As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility > wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open > source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year > for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why > I avoid windows unless I have no other choice. > > The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no > accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere > on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to > convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to > have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even > proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an > accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no > response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we > blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to > the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is > installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my > own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would > provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like > me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable > accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit, > but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread. > > Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why > not just go with a VM and call it good? > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and > Development Dept. > > > On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm > doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it > responds with: > > _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 > _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... > _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed > _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... > etc > > So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box > again? > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: wsl
Um, Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that can sometimes be more useful than a VM. As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why I avoid windows unless I have no other choice. The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit, but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread. Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why not just go with a VM and call it good? -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and Development Dept. > On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm > doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it > responds with: > > _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 > _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... > _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed > _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... > etc > > So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box > again? > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: wsl
wslg.exe startx just returns through. How does one use it? On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 2:33 PM Patrick Callahan via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > WSL comes with a Wayland implementation called WSLg that provides a > rootless display server: > https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/tutorials/gui-apps > > That's probably the easiest way to run GUI apps. I would try that first. > > Either way, you want a display server that runs outside the VM, on the > Windows side. > > If you don't like WSLg you can try an X11 server for Windows. IIRC I've > had success with X410 and VcXsrv, but there's also Cygwin/X and Xming. > > On Tue, May 21, 2024, 11:19 Michael via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm >> doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it >> responds with: >> >> _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 >> _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... >> _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed >> _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... >> etc >> >> So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box >> again? >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: wsl
WSL comes with a Wayland implementation called WSLg that provides a rootless display server: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/tutorials/gui-apps That's probably the easiest way to run GUI apps. I would try that first. Either way, you want a display server that runs outside the VM, on the Windows side. If you don't like WSLg you can try an X11 server for Windows. IIRC I've had success with X410 and VcXsrv, but there's also Cygwin/X and Xming. On Tue, May 21, 2024, 11:19 Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm > doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it > responds with: > > _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 > _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... > _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed > _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... > etc > > So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box > again? > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
wsl
well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it responds with: _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777 _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed... _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed... etc So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box again? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?
There is now a toolset you can install to play nice with VM software and wsl. On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 4:58 PM AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > As mentioned by another reply, WSL2 is best to use. Note that you have to > have Windows 10 ver. 2004 for a WSL2 installation. > Here are a couple links I found helpful. Microsoft's documentation is very > good. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fntjriRe48 > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about > > I also read along the way that if you are using another Hypervisor (such > as Virtualbox) on the same machine that there may be some "hiccups". WSL > uses Windows built-in Virtual Machine architecture since WSL is essentially > a VM running a Linux distro (and you can run multiple distros under WSL, > such as Suse, Ubuntu, Redhat, etc). > > Hope this helps. > Peter > > > On 6/25/2021 1:12 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > It has received some solid work, and is well documented, let me know if > you need a hand in geting it running. > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:53 PM Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Thanks. My more recent attempts seemed to be leaning towards WSL 2, >> though the other looked like a much simpler approach. I hope I don’t have >> a dozen copies of "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS” cluttering together … >> __ >> >> On 20210624, at 21:19, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >> >> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional >> >> Don’t use wsl 1 but use 2 if you can help it. >> >> On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >> I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a >> project. >> >> I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and >> (b) have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside >> Linux except for company email. >> >> So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can. >> But I’m stuck. >> >> *Anyone know the steps?* >> * I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1.* >> * I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to >> start it up.* >> * I can’t find any control panel for it.* >> >> Any idea how to do this? >> :) >> >> Thanks, >> Victor Odhner >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings:https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?
As mentioned by another reply, WSL2 is best to use. Note that you have to have Windows 10 ver. 2004 for a WSL2 installation. Here are a couple links I found helpful. Microsoft's documentation is very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fntjriRe48 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about I also read along the way that if you are using another Hypervisor (such as Virtualbox) on the same machine that there may be some "hiccups". WSL uses Windows built-in Virtual Machine architecture since WSL is essentially a VM running a Linux distro (and you can run multiple distros under WSL, such as Suse, Ubuntu, Redhat, etc). Hope this helps. Peter On 6/25/2021 1:12 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: It has received some solid work, and is well documented, let me know if you need a hand in geting it running. On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:53 PM Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote: Thanks. My more recent attempts seemed to be leaning towards WSL 2, though the other looked like a much simpler approach. I hope I don’t have a dozen copies of "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS” cluttering together … __ On 20210624, at 21:19, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional <https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional> Don’t use wsl 1 but use 2 if you can help it. On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote: I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a project. I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and (b) have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside Linux except for company email. So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can. But I’m stuck. *Anyone know the steps?* * I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1.* * I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to start it up.* * I can’t find any control panel for it.* Any idea how to do this? :) Thanks, Victor Odhner --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss <https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss <https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss <https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?
It has received some solid work, and is well documented, let me know if you need a hand in geting it running. On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:53 PM Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Thanks. My more recent attempts seemed to be leaning towards WSL 2, though > the other looked like a much simpler approach. I hope I don’t have a dozen > copies of "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS” cluttering together … > __ > > On 20210624, at 21:19, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional > > Don’t use wsl 1 but use 2 if you can help it. > > On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a project. > > I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and > (b) have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside > Linux except for company email. > > So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can. > But I’m stuck. > > *Anyone know the steps?* > * I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1.* > * I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to > start it up.* > * I can’t find any control panel for it.* > > Any idea how to do this? > :) > > Thanks, > Victor Odhner > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?
Thanks. My more recent attempts seemed to be leaning towards WSL 2, though the other looked like a much simpler approach. I hope I don’t have a dozen copies of "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS” cluttering together … __ On 20210624, at 21:19, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional <https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional> Don’t use wsl 1 but use 2 if you can help it. > On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a project. > > I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and (b) > have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside Linux > except for company email. > > So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can. > But I’m stuck. > > Anyone know the steps? > I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1. > I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to start it > up. > I can’t find any control panel for it. > > Any idea how to do this? > :) > > Thanks, > Victor Odhner > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional Don’t use wsl 1 but use 2 if you can help it. > On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a project. > > I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and (b) > have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside Linux > except for company email. > > So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can. > But I’m stuck. > > Anyone know the steps? > I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1. > I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to start it > up. > I can’t find any control panel for it. > > Any idea how to do this? > :) > > Thanks, > Victor Odhner > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?
I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a project. I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and (b) have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside Linux except for company email. So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can. But I’m stuck. Anyone know the steps? I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1. I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to start it up. I can’t find any control panel for it. Any idea how to do this? :) Thanks, Victor Odhner --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
