Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Steven stevenss...@cox.net wrote: Ah! Good to hear someone having success. Did you do the initial setup from Windows? Is that necessary? I think the main concern I had after the initial googling for reviews was that when I grabbed a copy of the manual off the WD web site it implied that the setup needed to be done from either a Windows or Mac machine. My sisters computer is for a number of reasons running Win2k which isn't on the compatibility list. And I so rarely boot this laptop in XP that I occasionally half forget it's even installed. The desktop machine only has XP on it, but I use it so rarely that I haven't yet bothered to get it on the network. There was mention in the manual of a web interface, but instead of giving an address to put in your browser it said how to access it by way of the software package you were expected to install. One thing I don't remember seeing touched on in any reviews, does it run hot or have much fan noise? Steven, Sorry for the confusion. My My Book (See, terrible product name!) is not networked. It's USB. I don't understand why special software would be needed for a networked storage device. That's lame. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: router opinions wanted
If you are going to be under siege, you can run a Linux firewall box with 3 interfaces directly from your cable box, we are doing a presentation/lab at HackFest the 2nd Saturday (next weekend) at UAT.edu. It will give you vpn, pptp, whatever you want? And you can populate it with 1000G network interfaces. You can purchase the box and the cards for about $150. Course, if you don't think you will be terribly under seige, like a security professional or woman might be, you can get a WRT54 and put openwrt on it. But this is not for the slight - it's a wee small linux box all command line. At least the FOSS Firewall box iso's configured as secure as say any Coyote Point, or Juniper Os firewall, have easy peasy little configuration wizards that are not too difficult to understand. Do the math? Return on investment. Do you want a small arm processor with 8/32GB, and 10/100 interfaces that, when hit with a distributed nmap attack (spoofed to originate from China) will fall over and let $badpeople either do remote management, auth access, or remote firmware update so that the machine never works right, you get rats in all your walls on all your boxes, when you can build and protect with a Pentium class system with an enterprise open source firewall? It's just a DHCP that is passed off from the cable company, and another clue, you don't have to get a cable modem and a router - products exist that do both - including a linux box - but that's for the advanced class. Obnosis | (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:19:01 -0700 Subject: Re: router opinions wanted From: unixprgrm...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us ck out Netgear I've had good luck with them... On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: Total noob wrt networks. I'm about to dive into setting up a home LAN and could use some opinions/advise/warnings/ideas about routers. Not sure yet whether the LAN will be wireless or not. Any routers to look for? Any to avoid? Is it possible to disable a wireless router's transmitter and use it with cable? I thought I might like to try it as hard wired but retain the capability of going wireless later. I've run a lot of searches on this question and haven't seen anything. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Fwd: UG News: Discount for O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON)
Ah, wish I could go this year. I hear it's gonna be a good one. :/ Excerpts from Alan Dayley (PHX Linux UG)'s message of Thu Apr 02 22:04:26 -0700 2009: Great discount for OSCON! Alan -- Forwarded message -- From: Marsee Henon mar...@oreilly.com Date: Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:16 PM Subject: UG News: Discount for O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON) To: ala...@consultpros.com Hi-- OSCON Registration is open. Here's a discount you can pass along to your members through your mailing list or at your meetings: The 2009 O'Reilly Open Source Convention Moves to San Jose, CA-- Registration Now Open, So Make Your Plans. In trying times such as these, saving money becomes a bigger priority for everyone. While challenging, the current global situation provides the open source community with the opportunity to sustain, apply, and expand open source to change the world. Use code os09usrg when you register, and receive 20% off the registration price. Early registration ends on June 2. To register for the conference, go to: https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/register?CMP=EMC-conf_os09_intATT=UG2 OSCON 2009 July 20-24, 2009 San Jose McEnery Convention Center 150 West San Carlos St. San Jose, CA 95113 Follow OSCON on your favorite social networking site: Facebook http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=c5f0378360e460dfc41fe2d2b0a86e9dgid=1172 91255480 Twitter (or look for #OSCON) http://twitter.com/oscon Identi.ca http://identi.ca/oscon LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1310437trk=hb_side_g Hope to see you there, Marsee Marsee Henon User Group Manager O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 800-998-9938, 707-827-7103 mar...@oreilly.com http://ug.oreilly.com/ Follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/OReillyMedia You are receiving this email because you are a User Group contact with O'Reilly Media. If you would like to stop receiving these newsletters or announcements from O'Reilly, send an email to mar...@oreilly.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
Craig White wrote: My argument against the netbooks for this purpose is that they aren't built for continuous on functionality and I suspect that they won't last. Actually the Wind and Eee I'm thinking of are the micro-desktop versions rather than the netbooks. MSI Wind PC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032 Eee Box http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220004 I suspect both at least in their initial incarnations are heavily borrowing on the netbook innards. Steven --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
You could always get one of these plug computers and attach a large external USB drive to it. It only draws 5w of power and runs ubuntu so you could easily setup your own samba and nfs shares, as well as run some kind of media server applications. I ordered the $99 dev kit at http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp I got an email Wed saying it was shipped. Once I get it I will run it through some paces and post my findings. -Charles --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: UG News: Discount for O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON)
They figured there are enough people in Silicone Valley so it's not going to look recession (depression) deserted? I must listen to too much CNN? Obnosis | (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM Subject: Re: Fwd: UG News: Discount for O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON) From: t...@supertunaman.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:27:41 -0700 Ah, wish I could go this year. I hear it's gonna be a good one. :/ Excerpts from Alan Dayley (PHX Linux UG)'s message of Thu Apr 02 22:04:26 -0700 2009: Great discount for OSCON! Alan -- Forwarded message -- From: Marsee Henon mar...@oreilly.com Date: Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:16 PM Subject: UG News: Discount for O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON) To: ala...@consultpros.com Hi-- OSCON Registration is open. Here's a discount you can pass along to your members through your mailing list or at your meetings: The 2009 O'Reilly Open Source Convention Moves to San Jose, CA-- Registration Now Open, So Make Your Plans. In trying times such as these, saving money becomes a bigger priority for everyone. While challenging, the current global situation provides the open source community with the opportunity to sustain, apply, and expand open source to change the world. Use code os09usrg when you register, and receive 20% off the registration price. Early registration ends on June 2. To register for the conference, go to: https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/register?CMP=EMC-conf_os09_intATT=UG2 OSCON 2009 July 20-24, 2009 San Jose McEnery Convention Center 150 West San Carlos St. San Jose, CA 95113 Follow OSCON on your favorite social networking site: Facebook http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=c5f0378360e460dfc41fe2d2b0a86e9dgid=1172 91255480 Twitter (or look for #OSCON) http://twitter.com/oscon Identi.ca http://identi.ca/oscon LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1310437trk=hb_side_g Hope to see you there, Marsee Marsee Henon User Group Manager O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 800-998-9938, 707-827-7103 mar...@oreilly.com http://ug.oreilly.com/ Follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/OReillyMedia You are receiving this email because you are a User Group contact with O'Reilly Media. If you would like to stop receiving these newsletters or announcements from O'Reilly, send an email to mar...@oreilly.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Speed Cams
der.hans wrote: [1] The photo radar flashes can cause a white out effect on the driver when they go off. This is a huge problem for motorcyclists as it blinds them for a second and worse blinds the car drivers near them[3]. I have even had my cabin white out due to a photo radar flash at dusk while I was on an access ramp waiting to get on the freeway. My eyes are just fine. Photo radar flashes are unsafe. I realize we're shutting this thread down, but I had to reiterate this one point of der hans: Those flashes make it just as unsafe as the speeders tripping them. That one on west-bound I10 at the end of the Sky Harbor runways has flashed in my eyes twice (others tripping it). The first time nearly incapacitated me with immediate onset of migraine headaches. I didn't make it to the 51 interchange before I had to pull over and puke my guts out. The location is right after the merge from 17 split, so the conscientious driver is monitoring the mergers, looking in that direction towards your mirror, and bang. Can't help but wonder what that might do to landing pilots too. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: router opinions wanted
I has some weirdness disableinh the wireless in a dd-wrt install If you can id vote to use a cheap computer and a smoothwall or IPcop install On 4/2/09, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: Total noob wrt networks. I'm about to dive into setting up a home LAN and could use some opinions/advise/warnings/ideas about routers. Not sure yet whether the LAN will be wireless or not. Any routers to look for? Any to avoid? Is it possible to disable a wireless router's transmitter and use it with cable? I thought I might like to try it as hard wired but retain the capability of going wireless later. I've run a lot of searches on this question and haven't seen anything. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
Honestly get an old box and add some dekces and look into openfiler It will outstrip the nas abilities of the ready nult ones and be fully compatible And much more flexible On 4/3/09, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: You could always get one of these plug computers and attach a large external USB drive to it. It only draws 5w of power and runs ubuntu so you could easily setup your own samba and nfs shares, as well as run some kind of media server applications. I ordered the $99 dev kit at http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp I got an email Wed saying it was shipped. Once I get it I will run it through some paces and post my findings. -Charles --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
This works well but behaves weirdly with ext3 floppies On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
What's a floppy ??? LOL Do they still make those ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:19 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? This works well but behaves weirdly with ext3 floppies On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Speed Cams
Can't help but wonder what that might do to landing pilots too. Probably nothing... Not to discredit your statement in any way, but to clarify the aviation detail: First, the light impulse will be too small, too far and too out of the way to be a concern, the landing pilot will be focus on runway and instruments. Pilots are also used to strobe lights. They have them on their airplane, other airplanes, some mark the way to the runway with the rabbit, and many runways have strobe lights at the threshold to differentiate them from the environment. I hate the cams too... :) Enrique A. Troconis Computer Geek for a living, Commercial Pilot/Flight Instructor by addiction. James Lee Bell writes: der.hans wrote: [1] The photo radar flashes can cause a white out effect on the driver when they go off. This is a huge problem for motorcyclists as it blinds them for a second and worse blinds the car drivers near them[3]. I have even had my cabin white out due to a photo radar flash at dusk while I was on an access ramp waiting to get on the freeway. My eyes are just fine. Photo radar flashes are unsafe. I realize we're shutting this thread down, but I had to reiterate this one point of der hans: Those flashes make it just as unsafe as the speeders tripping them. That one on west-bound I10 at the end of the Sky Harbor runways has flashed in my eyes twice (others tripping it). The first time nearly incapacitated me with immediate onset of migraine headaches. I didn't make it to the 51 interchange before I had to pull over and puke my guts out. The location is right after the merge from 17 split, so the conscientious driver is monitoring the mergers, looking in that direction towards your mirror, and bang. Can't help but wonder what that might do to landing pilots too. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Recreating Directory Trees?
Hello there! Hellther. I am about to create a Ruby script to sync my music directory with my MP3 player. Before I start, I would like a nice test environment, as my MP3 player uses a particular directory tree. Is there a nice easy way to copy a directory tree without copying over all its files? For example, let's say the device has something like... MP3 Player | `-Videos/ | `-Music/ | `-Playlists/ and in those subdirs are like over 9000 video, music, and playlist files. Can I just copy that structure and leave all those files behind? so that I have loltestdir/ | `-Videos/ | `-Music/ | `-Playlists/ but without any files in there? Thanks! -tuna --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
Sadly it is still the only way to get some drivers And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: What's a floppy ??? LOL Do they still make those ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:19 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? This works well but behaves weirdly with ext3 floppies On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Speed Cams
Don't talk bad about the cops, they will come and take all your computers away ;-) http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/02/phoenix-police-raid-home-of-blogger-whose-writing-is-highly-critical-of-them/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Recreating Directory Trees?
export NEWPATH=/somewhere;cd /my-tree;find . -type d|cut -b3-|(while read DIR;do mkdir -p $NEWPATH/$DIR);done Use at your own risk... :) ET Andrew Tuna Harris writes: Hello there! Hellther. I am about to create a Ruby script to sync my music directory with my MP3 player. Before I start, I would like a nice test environment, as my MP3 player uses a particular directory tree. Is there a nice easy way to copy a directory tree without copying over all its files? For example, let's say the device has something like... MP3 Player | `-Videos/ | `-Music/ | `-Playlists/ and in those subdirs are like over 9000 video, music, and playlist files. Can I just copy that structure and leave all those files behind? so that I have loltestdir/ | `-Videos/ | `-Music/ | `-Playlists/ but without any files in there? Thanks! -tuna --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Speed Cams
Bryan O'Neal wrote: Cool, where can I get a copy of this report? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Josef Lowder Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:25 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Speed Cams On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6 seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I am agenst speed limits and believe it should be safe and prudent as seen by an officer and confirmed by a judge. As for the cameras in particular, no one has been able to make public a report showing they do anything other then annoy drivers. Accidents have not gone down ... Photo radar saves lives. Period. According to the Arizona State Department of Public Safety, because of photo radar, crashes are down by 12%, injuries have been cut by 17%, and fatality collisions are down by 29% on Phoenix-area highways. No clear-thinking person would want to eliminate photo radar simply because of their personal desire to want to disregard and disobey highway speed laws. Statistics are easy to fudge. Can we really trust the government to do an unbiased study on their own cash cow? Vaughn --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Speed Cams
Can't resist getting in on this one! :=) der.hans wrote: Am 02. Apr, 2009 schwätzte Josef Lowder so: On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6 seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I am agenst speed limits and believe it should be safe and prudent as seen by an officer and confirmed by a judge. As for the cameras in particular, no one has been able to make public a report showing they do anything other then annoy drivers. Accidents have not gone down ... Photo radar saves lives. Period. No. Photo radar is a cash cow for the government and a company in Scottsdale. According to the Arizona State Department of Public Safety, because of photo radar, crashes are down by 12%, injuries have been cut by 17%, and fatality collisions are down by 29% on Phoenix-area highways. DPS came out with its study stating that photo radar had reduced accidents, but in the same announcement had to admit the study hadn't taken into account that there might've been reductions in the traffic due to the cost of gas ( the study was done during the height of the gas prices ) or due to people being unemployed and no longer on the road or any other reason. It was acknowledged that traffic known to be was down, but that wasn't considered as a potential reason for the reduction in accidentѕ. Don't forget that Arizona recently enacted a much tougher drunk-driving law. Although I have issues with the way it's being enforced, I think that such laws have had an impact in the past and this one is probably doing so now. I'll wager that in the past, a lot of freeway crashes have been caused by drunk twenty-somethings opening it up when they hit the highway at 2 AM. But the media deliberately obscures these and other factors. Just one example (not an effort to get the discussion further afield) When they made drugstores put their sudafed supplies under the counter, they claimed it was reducing the number of meth labs. Nonsense! They never tell you hat the Mexican drug cartels have made the drug cheap enough so American tweekers don't need to make their own. It's a bogus study. Heck, it starts off with Speeding is recognized as one of the most important factors causing traffic accidents., so it's not even trying to appear to be a neutral study. Photo radar has been around for decades in various forms. And yet, there is only one study touting photo radar's benefits and that study is biased, prejudiced and compromised? Ha, ha. Douglas Adams makes an appearance since the speed enforcement program is abbreviated as SEP. I think that explains how the government has been able to get away with the improper relationship of having a private company get bribed to do law enforcement. No clear-thinking person would want to eliminate photo radar simply because of their personal desire to want to disregard and disobey highway speed laws. I want photo radar eliminated because I'm opposed to big brother[0], illegal business contracts, allowing companies to masquerade as law enforcement, artificially dangerous road conditions[1], and Dukes of Hazzard style changing of speed limits in order to ambush people with the cameras[2]. Hear, hear! I'll go further - most people don't understand how the checks and balances between government and the people work. In many cases, oppressive laws don't get passed because the politicians know they're not enforceable. In other cases- alcohol prohibition, the military draft, the 55 MPH national speed limit, and Arizona's archaic sodomy laws, just to name a few- policies were reversed because of widespread refusal to comply. Giving the government more surveillance powers removes this check. We'll see states and cities piling on all sorts of laws in the name of health, safety, morality, the environment, and political correctness. Even if the laws accomplish little or nothing positive, they'll have a constituency to support them (cops, jails, prison guards, etc.) and there'll be nothing we can do about it. Vaughn In any case, there's a ballot initiative where we can partially vote them out. http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/131797 http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Arizona_Citizens_Against_Photo_Radar_(2010) http://camerafraud.wordpress.com/ [0] There are reports that the cameras are also taking HD video all the time. [1] The photo radar flashes can cause a white out effect on the driver when they go off. This is a huge problem for motorcyclists as it blinds them for a second and worse blinds the car drivers near them[3]. I have even had my cabin white out due to a photo radar flash at dusk while I was on an access ramp waiting to get on the freeway. My eyes are just fine. Photo radar flashes are unsafe. [2] Phoenix seems to be getting better
Re: Web Server Issues Centos
thank you - Original Message - From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Web Server Issues Centos I had al sorts of issues getting a centos web server to play nice (still having an issue with ocsinventory) but i used this as a guideline and it came up beautifully http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-centos-5.2 it is intended for a specific purpose, but it gives some very handy information on things you may want your server to run and makes fro a nicely prepared webserver. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT Threads
These threads are ok, but when they dominate a list it turns members away. This last OT thread is a great example of a thread out of control. Not only was there an outrageous number of OT posts that I had to wade through, but at one point, one list member posted 7 separate messages on the same OT thread in a row with no other list messages in between. I can appreciate members airing their expertise, opinions, and questions; but know when to say when and stop feeding the trolls so that the list can be useful. BTW: Feel free to slam me for posting off topic. Gilbert --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT Threads
Gmail and thunderbird both thread my messages so I usualy don't notice On 4/3/09, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: These threads are ok, but when they dominate a list it turns members away. This last OT thread is a great example of a thread out of control. Not only was there an outrageous number of OT posts that I had to wade through, but at one point, one list member posted 7 separate messages on the same OT thread in a row with no other list messages in between. I can appreciate members airing their expertise, opinions, and questions; but know when to say when and stop feeding the trolls so that the list can be useful. BTW: Feel free to slam me for posting off topic. Gilbert --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: router opinions wanted
Robert Holtzman wrote: Is it possible to disable a wireless router's transmitter and use it with cable? I thought I might like to try it as hard wired but retain the capability of going wireless later. I've run a lot of searches on this question and haven't seen anything You should be able to do this with even the stock firmware the manufacturer provides. It's usually labelled Radio Broadcast or Enable Wireless --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT Threads
Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: These threads are ok, but when they dominate a list it turns members away. This last OT thread is a great example of a thread out of control. Not only was there an outrageous number of OT posts that I had to wade through, but at one point, one list member posted 7 separate messages on the same OT thread in a row with no other list messages in between. I can appreciate members airing their expertise, opinions, and questions; but know when to say when and stop feeding the trolls so that the list can be useful. BTW: Feel free to slam me for posting off topic. If OT posts bothered me I would just not read or filter out posts with OT in the subject. At the same time I can understand why it is not efficient to have to wade through a bunch of OT threads to find the linux-only stuff that you are looking for. I think the issue is that most people who form a social community or group of ANY kind, usually want to talk about other things too, as people like to bounce ideas off of or share thoughts or discuss things with a group of like-minded people. I see only a few solutions: * Disallow any non-linux related conversation. This would require more manual moderation effort. * Allow off topic threads as long as they have the OT designation in the topic so that they can be filtered out * Create a separate OT list, and encourage/enforce folks to post their OT stuff there. * Create a totally separate OT list somewhere else (google groups, some other mailing list, etc) and direct OT things there, so that PLUG does not have to deal with managing non-PLUG related things at all. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Speed Cams
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:43 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:24 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote: On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6 seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I am agenst speed limits and believe it should be safe and prudent as seen by an officer and confirmed by a judge. As for the cameras in particular, no one has been able to make public a report showing they do anything other then annoy drivers. Accidents have not gone down ... Photo radar saves lives. Period. According to the Arizona State Department of Public Safety, because of photo radar, crashes are down by 12%, injuries have been cut by 17%, and fatality collisions are down by 29% on Phoenix-area highways. No clear-thinking person would want to eliminate photo radar simply because of their personal desire to want to disregard and disobey highway speed laws. The state tried to increase revenue with these cameras and implemented a system where there was only a single financial penalty for being captured on photo radar. No points against your license, no report to insurance...just money. While there is a direct correlation to speed and fatalities, there's no accommodation for reasonable and prudent, only a hard line between 75 76 mp/h where money changes hands. 76 mp/h during rush hours is infinitely more dangerous than at 11:00 pm when the traffic is sparse. If speed were the only issue, let's just lower the speed limits everywhere and people will be much safer. I am quite certain that if the speed limit on the 101 was 45 mp/h, there would hardly be any fatalities. Craig Except in the case of Criminal speeding (20+ mph over the posted limit). Even at 4:00AM with no other traffic around, the DPS will come to your home or workplace and haul you off to jail, no other evidence is required for a conviction, and you can't defend yourself against a camera. A little to Big Brother for my liking. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Science Friday at ASU today
moin moin, Science Friday is broadcasting from ASU today as part of the Origins Symposium. They will have a live video stream in a few minutes. http://www.sciencefriday.com/asuoriginsstream.html Lots of cool stuff coming up Monday as well. http://www.origins.asu.edu/news/2009/2009_news01.php ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. # We grow old by deserting our ideals. # Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm # wrinkles the soul. -- Samuel Ullman --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 06:49 -0700, Stephen wrote: Honestly get an old box and add some dekces and look into openfiler It will outstrip the nas abilities of the ready nult ones and be fully compatible And much more flexible This is pretty much what I plan to do soon. Geeks.com has an Intel MB with an onboard fanless 1.2 Ghz Celeron proc for $50 and a Gig of memory for $14. Pick up an old box from Savers for $10, and you're pretty much set for under $100. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: router opinions wanted
Yes, all of the LinkSys, Belkin and Netgears allow you to disable the Wireless 802.1 beacon and just use wired; OpenWRT and other such itsy linux allow taking down the interface. If you are running your wireless beacon from a card in your bastion router (which is actually a Security ISO built up on an older (or newer if you are rich) system, you certainly can take down your accesspoint. Obnosis | (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:05:42 -0700 From: bish...@sekaran.net To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: router opinions wanted Robert Holtzman wrote: Is it possible to disable a wireless router's transmitter and use it with cable? I thought I might like to try it as hard wired but retain the capability of going wireless later. I've run a lot of searches on this question and haven't seen anything You should be able to do this with even the stock firmware the manufacturer provides. It's usually labelled Radio Broadcast or Enable Wireless --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Recreating Directory Trees?
SuperTuna Man asked: Can I just copy that structure and leave all those files behind? Solutions: tar: tar cvf - `find /dir1 -name '*.dbf'` dir1.tar Whatever your find is, put it between the backticks ` `. Go to /newdir and untar the dir1.tar cptree #!/bin/sh if [ $# = 2 ] then (cd $1; tar cf - .) | (mkdir $2; cd $2; tar xvfp -) else echo USAGE: `basename $0` source_directory dest_directory exit 1 fi cptree or $ mkdir /dir2 $ cd /dir1 $ find . -type d | cpio -pvdm ../dir2 I'm sure there are other ways. Obnosis | (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM Subject: Recreating Directory Trees? From: t...@supertunaman.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:27:22 -0700 Hello there! Hellther. I am about to create a Ruby script to sync my music directory with my MP3 player. Before I start, I would like a nice test environment, as my MP3 player uses a particular directory tree. Is there a nice easy way to copy a directory tree without copying over all its files? For example, let's say the device has something like... MP3 Player | `-Videos/ | `-Music/ | `-Playlists/ and in those subdirs are like over 9000 video, music, and playlist files. Can I just copy that structure and leave all those files behind? so that I have loltestdir/ | `-Videos/ | `-Music/ | `-Playlists/ but without any files in there? Thanks! -tuna --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy What? Last time I had to use a floppy for drivers was 1999! I managed hundreds of XP desktops and dozens of Win2003 server and never used a floppy for a driver. One of my 2003 servers did not even have a CD/DVD drive. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:39 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? Sadly it is still the only way to get some drivers And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: What's a floppy ??? LOL Do they still make those ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:19 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? This works well but behaves weirdly with ext3 floppies On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Speed Cams
After reading the report it did not seems as if they conducted the survey in a professional scientific manor. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Vaughn Treude Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:48 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Speed Cams Bryan O'Neal wrote: Cool, where can I get a copy of this report? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Josef Lowder Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:25 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Speed Cams On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6 seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I am agenst speed limits and believe it should be safe and prudent as seen by an officer and confirmed by a judge. As for the cameras in particular, no one has been able to make public a report showing they do anything other then annoy drivers. Accidents have not gone down ... Photo radar saves lives. Period. According to the Arizona State Department of Public Safety, because of photo radar, crashes are down by 12%, injuries have been cut by 17%, and fatality collisions are down by 29% on Phoenix-area highways. No clear-thinking person would want to eliminate photo radar simply because of their personal desire to want to disregard and disobey highway speed laws. Statistics are easy to fudge. Can we really trust the government to do an unbiased study on their own cash cow? Vaughn --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT Threads
Same here. I also filter out topical subjects I have little to no interest in. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of James Finstrom Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:03 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT Threads Gmail and thunderbird both thread my messages so I usualy don't notice On 4/3/09, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: These threads are ok, but when they dominate a list it turns members away. This last OT thread is a great example of a thread out of control. Not only was there an outrageous number of OT posts that I had to wade through, but at one point, one list member posted 7 separate messages on the same OT thread in a row with no other list messages in between. I can appreciate members airing their expertise, opinions, and questions; but know when to say when and stop feeding the trolls so that the list can be useful. BTW: Feel free to slam me for posting off topic. Gilbert --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
Raid drivers are either injected onto install media or added via floppy This has not changed til vista/server 2008 On 4/3/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy What? Last time I had to use a floppy for drivers was 1999! I managed hundreds of XP desktops and dozens of Win2003 server and never used a floppy for a driver. One of my 2003 servers did not even have a CD/DVD drive. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:39 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? Sadly it is still the only way to get some drivers And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: What's a floppy ??? LOL Do they still make those ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:19 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? This works well but behaves weirdly with ext3 floppies On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT Threads
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: Same here. I also filter out topical subjects I have little to no interest in. The problem with filters is they are not newbie friendly. One of the goals of this group (I think) is to spread Linux use into non-geek computer neophytes. People who just use computers without wanting or caring to know how they work. Making filters in Outlook Express or whatever is not really that hard. But, I can tell you from experience, some doctors, lawyers, executives and stay-at-home parents simply will not spend the little brain power it takes to understand a filter. For example, I have been managing a high school band web site and email list for six years now. Average people are just now becoming commonly aware of what is an email list. Email lists have been around for decades but the average Joe or Joan only recently understands them. Email filters are the same way. It would be hard to teach that audience of reasonably intelligent people how to make an filter, mostly because they won't want to learn it. So, aside from discussions about how I don't want to wade through off-topic posts, we have to consider the new users we want to attract. If they sign up to the list expecting to learn about Linux and find a significant portion of the emails to not be about Linux, they will not stick around very long. And the very new to email lists will not know what OT: in the subject line means either. Some OT is good, expected and even preferred to help the social side of the group. But it should be unusual. Just my opinion. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT Threads
Might I also interject and point out that some people like myself, receive email on their mobile phone prior to getting home and downloading it. Thus filters are not used, or accessible without using imap and server side formatting. ...And before it's brought up: 1) not everyone has a host that can provide server side sorting, or 2) imap access. All this OT stuff, I don't read... And I just end up deleting it... One... Message... At a... Time :( I agree with what Alan said below... Fwiw. Tony E / Jaraeth Phoenix Wing * Sent using Windows Mobile -Original Message- From: Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com Sent: April 03, 2009 7:12 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT Threads snip Some OT is good, expected and even preferred to help the social side of the group. But it should be unusual. Just my opinion. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
I used dells raids that came with your choice of an os generic install cd or network boot image. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:00 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? Raid drivers are either injected onto install media or added via floppy This has not changed til vista/server 2008 On 4/3/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy What? Last time I had to use a floppy for drivers was 1999! I managed hundreds of XP desktops and dozens of Win2003 server and never used a floppy for a driver. One of my 2003 servers did not even have a CD/DVD drive. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:39 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? Sadly it is still the only way to get some drivers And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: What's a floppy ??? LOL Do they still make those ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:19 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? This works well but behaves weirdly with ext3 floppies On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to
RE: OT Threads
I am as bad of an offender as most and worse then some. I enjoy many of the OT conversations, but will try to limit my responses. As for host providing imap/serverside sorting, I use Gmail, its free, easy, and you only have to sell a very small portion of your sole ;) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Tony E - Jaraeth Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:18 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: OT Threads Might I also interject and point out that some people like myself, receive email on their mobile phone prior to getting home and downloading it. Thus filters are not used, or accessible without using imap and server side formatting. ...And before it's brought up: 1) not everyone has a host that can provide server side sorting, or 2) imap access. All this OT stuff, I don't read... And I just end up deleting it... One... Message... At a... Time :( I agree with what Alan said below... Fwiw. Tony E / Jaraeth Phoenix Wing * Sent using Windows Mobile -Original Message- From: Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com Sent: April 03, 2009 7:12 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT Threads snip Some OT is good, expected and even preferred to help the social side of the group. But it should be unusual. Just my opinion. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
Dell added drivers to the install image, Which is incredibly handy And linux has had this ability since the 90's On 4/3/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: I used dells raids that came with your choice of an os generic install cd or network boot image. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:00 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? Raid drivers are either injected onto install media or added via floppy This has not changed til vista/server 2008 On 4/3/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote: And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy What? Last time I had to use a floppy for drivers was 1999! I managed hundreds of XP desktops and dozens of Win2003 server and never used a floppy for a driver. One of my 2003 servers did not even have a CD/DVD drive. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:39 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? Sadly it is still the only way to get some drivers And XP/2k3 can only take drivers from floppy On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: What's a floppy ??? LOL Do they still make those ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:19 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? This works well but behaves weirdly with ext3 floppies On 4/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3. Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive http://www.fs-driver.org/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, stevenss...@cox.net wrote: I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux. Purchased it a few months ago. I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily for different things. (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32 causes permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive too.) Hate the name, My Book but it is working well for us so far. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit
