Re: IM ROOT

[stu w]

On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 19:43 -0700, James Finstrom wrote:
> I was at the park and swap today and the advantage of being a linux
> geek is the ability touse it as an excuse. My son saw world of
> warcraft and wanted it I said no son that doesn't work on our pc (no
> wow in my house) anyway the guy said what is your computer. I said I
> use linux, he replied no the operating system. Ummm linux. He replies
> yeah it only works on IBM type pc's. I looked at him and said IBM uses
> linux too...

Yeah, I have a lot of fun with it to. I once had a discussion with a
co-worker who moonlights at Best Buy, and he said:
"There's NO WAY you would *ever* catch ME using Linux for anything!"
To which I asked:
"Didn't I just see you looking something up on Google?"
And he replied:
"SHUT-UP!"
lol! They use Linux and don't even know it!

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Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?

[Ryan Rix]

It'll fail to work if your inode sizes are too large.
I can mount / in windows but not /home on my system... :(

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Bob Elzer  wrote:

> FYI if you like, you can have the full drive use ext3.
>
> Using ext2ifs will let windows access your ext3/ext2 drive
>
> http://www.fs-driver.org/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan
> Dayley
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: Cheap NAS or MSI Wind/Eee Box?
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM,   wrote:
> > I have been debating recently whether to pick up a cheapish networked
> > external hard drive like a Western Digital My Book (that one initially
> > because it can be picked up locally, although initially googling
> > suggests it might not be very Linux friendly). Anyone
>
> We have a 1TB My Book that works just fine on Linux.  Purchased it a few
> months ago.  I partitioned it half ext3, half FAT32 so we can use it easily
> for different things.  (For example, copying files from ext3 to FAT32
> causes
> permission settings to be lost so I want the ext3 on the external drive
> too.)
>
> Hate the name, "My Book" but it is working well for us so far.
>
> Alan
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Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[wayne]

Its probably simple, but would take me a week

Ie:
Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.F

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Re: Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[Charles Jones]

$ ls -l
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-04-07 13:23 2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f

for file in `ls`; do mv -v $file `echo $file| tr '[:lower:]' 
'[:upper:]'`; done
`2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f' -> `2009-4_5_WADAQ_A.DN.23.F'

-Charles
wayne wrote:
> Its probably simple, but would take me a week
>
> Ie:
> Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
> INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.F
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Re: Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[wayne]

SWEET - THANK YOU!

Charles Jones wrote:
> $ ls -l
> total 0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-04-07 13:23 2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
>
> for file in `ls`; do mv -v $file `echo $file| tr '[:lower:]' 
> '[:upper:]'`; done
> `2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f' -> `2009-4_5_WADAQ_A.DN.23.F'
>
> -Charles
> wayne wrote:
>   
>> Its probably simple, but would take me a week
>>
>> Ie:
>> Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
>> INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.F
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Re: Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[James Finstrom]

Same Idea

for i in `find * -depth`; do (mv $i `echo $i|tr [:lower:] [:upper:]`); done



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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:15 PM, wayne  wrote:

> Its probably simple, but would take me a week
>
> Ie:
> Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
> INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.F
>
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Re: Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[Stephen P Rufle]

nice. I was just putzing with python to solve. :)

Charles Jones wrote:
> $ ls -l
> total 0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-04-07 13:23 2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
> 
> for file in `ls`; do mv -v $file `echo $file| tr '[:lower:]' 
> '[:upper:]'`; done
> `2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f' -> `2009-4_5_WADAQ_A.DN.23.F'
> 
> -Charles
> wayne wrote:
>> Its probably simple, but would take me a week
>>
>> Ie:
>> Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
>> INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.F
>>
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Re: Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[Stephen P Rufle]

This is how I was doing it before I saw the one liner


#!/usr/local/bin/python
# ren_to_upper.py
import os

for fname in os.listdir(os.getcwd()):
newfname = fname.upper()
os.rename(fname, newfname)

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Re: Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[Andrew "Tuna" Harris]

Excerpts from waydavis's message of Tue Apr 07 13:15:35 -0700 2009:
> Its probably simple, but would take me a week
> 
> Ie:
> Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
> INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.F
>

I've done something very similar once, but it makes them all lowercase.
I wrote it in Ruby for a friend. I've attached it to this message. Just
run it in the target directory. So...

cd /home/tuna/frightened_horse_sounds/
ruby uppercasefile.rb

It'll go through ever file there and make it lowercase. Make sure that
you don't have any existing files called lol.txt there. :)


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O.T. email management ?

[Architect mike enriquez]

I have several email accounts and I need to find a way to manage them. I 
wonder if anyone in the plug community has come up with a good way to 
handle multiple accounts.
I can put them all on one computer, I can put each account on its own 
computer. Next what should they all be using the same email application 
and which one is the best for multiple accounts?
Does anyone have a good idea on this?
Thanks
Mike Enriquez

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MODIFIED Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, EXCEPT whaterever is after the .

[wayne]

>
>
> Ie:
> Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.farp
> INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.farp
>

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Re: Script to rename all filenames in a directory to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

[Ted Gould]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:15 -0700, wayne wrote:
> Its probably simple, but would take me a week
> 
> Ie:
> Make:   2009-4_5_WaDAq_a.Dn.23.f
> INTO:   2009-4_5_WADAQ_ADN.23.F

rename 'y/a-z/A-Z/' *

--Ted

PS - you can put any regular expression in there if you want something
more complex.


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Re: O.T. email management ?

[Stephen]

id take a look at what email program offends you the least.

start there.

this is going to be tough because we all have certain personal preferences...

i personally am fond of evolution and gmail, and then Thunderbird in
that order. but interestingly i really like gmail. maybe look at its
pop settings and maybe gmail can do it all for you?

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Architect mike enriquez  wrote:
> I have several email accounts and I need to find a way to manage them. I
> wonder if anyone in the plug community has come up with a good way to
> handle multiple accounts.
> I can put them all on one computer, I can put each account on its own
> computer. Next what should they all be using the same email application
> and which one is the best for multiple accounts?
> Does anyone have a good idea on this?
> Thanks
> Mike Enriquez
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iButton anyone?

[Tim Noeding]

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these?

I am currently repairing a machine that uses these as a security feature.
It's the first time I've seen one, but I figure one of you may have some
experience with these. If so, let me know if you have found a good way of
dealing with them.

Thanks
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Re: O.T. email management ?

[JD Austin]

Have them all forward to a single account and filter them to folders based
on what email address it was sent to.
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Architect mike enriquez wrote:

> I have several email accounts and I need to find a way to manage them. I
> wonder if anyone in the plug community has come up with a good way to
> handle multiple accounts.
> I can put them all on one computer, I can put each account on its own
> computer. Next what should they all be using the same email application
> and which one is the best for multiple accounts?
> Does anyone have a good idea on this?
> Thanks
> Mike Enriquez
>
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Re: O.T. email management ?

[Eric Shubert]

Architect mike enriquez wrote:
> I have several email accounts and I need to find a way to manage them. I 
> wonder if anyone in the plug community has come up with a good way to 
> handle multiple accounts.
> I can put them all on one computer, I can put each account on its own 
> computer. Next what should they all be using the same email application 
> and which one is the best for multiple accounts?
> Does anyone have a good idea on this?
> Thanks
> Mike Enriquez
> 

I have come to appreciate imap. It allows me to access my email from a 
variety of clients (t-bird, squirrelmail, blackberry) without any sort 
of conflict. No more pop3 for me!

I have multiple email accounts, and use thunderbird. It handles multiple 
accounts (identities) nicely for me, w/out getting them mixed together. 
The integrated newsreader is nice as well. I use gmane.org for accessing 
email lists that way, so lists don't complicate my other email.

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Re: O.T. email management ?

[Bishmer Sekaran]

Eric Shubert wrote:
> I have come to appreciate imap. It allows me to access my email from a
> variety of clients (t-bird, squirrelmail, blackberry) without any sort 
> of conflict. No more pop3 for me!
>
> I have multiple email accounts, and use thunderbird. It handles multiple 
> accounts (identities) nicely for me, w/out getting them mixed together. 
> The integrated newsreader is nice as well. I use gmane.org for accessing 
> email lists that way, so lists don't complicate my other email.
>
>   
IMAP is definitely the way to go with multiple devices accessing 
multiple accounts from multiple locations.
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Re: "Plug Computing"

[Steve Phariss]

I was looking at these and have a question... does this model have a sata II
connecter?  the block diagrams seem to say it does, so I am thinking you
could interface a faster HD interface (raid???)

Steve

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Charles Jones <
charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org> wrote:

> I received my SheevaPlug computer on Friday. Here are some pics of what
> I got: http://www.the-ownage.com/?p=830
> I have noticed that there are several other companies now using this
> exact same model, and basically re-selling them as fancy NAS devices.
> Here is some more info on that:
> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html  (the list of similar
> products is near the bottom).
>
> I havn't really gotten a chance to put it through its paces yet, as I
> have been slowed down by trying to compile the uvcvideo module so that I
> can plug in a usb 2.0 web cam for testing some video-security
> applications I am working on.
>
> Since I'm ssh'd into it now, I will just cut and paste some stuff:
>
> r...@debian:~# uname -a
> Linux debian 2.6.22.18 #1 Thu Mar 19 14:46:22 IST 2009 armv5tejl GNU/Linux
>
> r...@debian:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
> Processor   : ARM926EJ-S rev 1 (v5l)
> BogoMIPS: 1192.75
> Features: swp half thumb fastmult edsp
> CPU implementer : 0x56
> CPU architecture: 5TE
> CPU variant : 0x2
> CPU part: 0x131
> CPU revision: 1
> Cache type  : write-back
> Cache clean : cp15 c7 ops
> Cache lockdown  : format C
> Cache format: Harvard
> I size  : 16384
> I assoc : 4
> I line length   : 32
> I sets  : 128
> D size  : 16384
> D assoc : 4
> D line length   : 32
> D sets  : 128
>
> Hardware: Feroceon-KW
> Revision: 
> Serial  : 
>
> r...@debian:~# cat /proc/mtd
> dev:size   erasesize  name
> mtd0: 0040 0002 "uImage"
> mtd1: 1fb0 0002 "rootfs"
>
> r...@debian:~# df -h
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> rootfs507M  329M  179M  65% /
> tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /lib/init/rw
> varrun252M   36K  252M   1% /var/run
> varlock   252M 0  252M   0% /var/lock
> udev  252M  8.0K  252M   1% /dev
> tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /dev/shm
> tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /var/cache/apt
> (Note that when I received the unit the FS was only about 23% full, I
> have since then installed kernel-source and other packages).
>
> Here are the options available in the "uboot" pre-boot environment:
> Marvell>> ?
> ?   - alias for 'help'
> base- print or set address offset
> boot- boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd'
> bootd   - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd'
> bootext2dev:boot_part1,boot_part2 addr boot_image linux_dev_name
> bootm   - boot application image from memory
> bootp   - boot image via network using BootP/TFTP protocol
> bubt- Burn an image on the Boot Nand Flash.
> chpart  - change active partition
> cmp - memory compare
> cmpm- Compare Memory
> cp  - memory copy
> cpumap - Display CPU memory mapping settings.
> crc32   - checksum calculation
> date- get/set/reset date & time
> dclk- Display the MV device CLKs.
> dhcp- invoke DHCP client to obtain IP/boot params
> diskboot- boot from IDE device
> echo- echo args to console
> eeprom  - EEPROM sub-system
> erase   - erase FLASH memory
> ext2load- load binary file from a Ext2 filesystem
> ext2ls  - list files in a directory (default /)
> fatinfo - print information about filesystem
> fatload - load binary file from a dos filesystem
> fatls   - list files in a directory (default /)
> fi  - Find value in the memory.
> flinfo  - print FLASH memory information
> fsinfo  - print information about filesystems
> fsload  - load binary file from a filesystem image
> g   - start application at cached address 'addr'(default addr 0x4)
> go  - start application at address 'addr'
> help- print online help
> icrc32  - checksum calculation
> ide - IDE sub-system
> iloop   - infinite loop on address range
> imd - i2c memory display
> imm[.b, .s, .w, .l] - i2c memory modify (auto-incrementing)
> imw - memory write (fill)
> inm - memory modify (constant address)
> iprobe  - probe to discover valid I2C chip addresses
> ir  - reading and changing MV internal register values.
> loop- infinite loop on address range
> ls  - list files in a directory (default /)
> map - Diasplay address decode windows
> md  - memory display
> me  - PCI master enable
> mm  - memory modify (auto-incrementing)
> mp  - map PCI BAR
> mtdparts- define flash/nand partitions
> mtest   - simple RAM test
> mv_diag - perform board diagnostics
> mv_diag
>- display all available tests
> mv_diag all
>- run all available tests
> mv_diag test1
>- run specified test
> mw  - memory write (fill)
>

Re: "Plug Computing"

[Charles Jones]

If there is one it is internal and there is no port designed into the 
enclosure to get to it.  It does have various memorycard slots. 
Theoretically if you are using the NAND flash for the filesystem you 
shouldn't need RAID unless you mean for just storage expansion+speed 
purposes.


-Charles

Steve Phariss wrote:
I was looking at these and have a question... does this model have a 
sata II connecter?  the block diagrams seem to say it does, so I am 
thinking you could interface a faster HD interface (raid???)


Steve

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Charles Jones 
> wrote:


I received my SheevaPlug computer on Friday. Here are some pics of
what
I got: http://www.the-ownage.com/?p=830
I have noticed that there are several other companies now using this
exact same model, and basically re-selling them as fancy NAS devices.
Here is some more info on that:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html  (the list of
similar
products is near the bottom).

I havn't really gotten a chance to put it through its paces yet, as I
have been slowed down by trying to compile the uvcvideo module so
that I
can plug in a usb 2.0 web cam for testing some video-security
applications I am working on.

Since I'm ssh'd into it now, I will just cut and paste some stuff:

r...@debian:~# uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.22.18 #1 Thu Mar 19 14:46:22 IST 2009 armv5tejl
GNU/Linux

r...@debian:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor   : ARM926EJ-S rev 1 (v5l)
BogoMIPS: 1192.75
Features: swp half thumb fastmult edsp
CPU implementer : 0x56
CPU architecture: 5TE
CPU variant : 0x2
CPU part: 0x131
CPU revision: 1
Cache type  : write-back
Cache clean : cp15 c7 ops
Cache lockdown  : format C
Cache format: Harvard
I size  : 16384
I assoc : 4
I line length   : 32
I sets  : 128
D size  : 16384
D assoc : 4
D line length   : 32
D sets  : 128

Hardware: Feroceon-KW
Revision: 
Serial  : 

r...@debian:~# cat /proc/mtd
dev:size   erasesize  name
mtd0: 0040 0002 "uImage"
mtd1: 1fb0 0002 "rootfs"

r...@debian:~# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
rootfs507M  329M  179M  65% /
tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /lib/init/rw
varrun252M   36K  252M   1% /var/run
varlock   252M 0  252M   0% /var/lock
udev  252M  8.0K  252M   1% /dev
tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /var/cache/apt
(Note that when I received the unit the FS was only about 23% full, I
have since then installed kernel-source and other packages).

Here are the options available in the "uboot" pre-boot environment:
Marvell>> ?
?   - alias for 'help'
base- print or set address offset
boot- boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd'
bootd   - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd'
bootext2dev:boot_part1,boot_part2 addr boot_image linux_dev_name
bootm   - boot application image from memory
bootp   - boot image via network using BootP/TFTP protocol
bubt- Burn an image on the Boot Nand Flash.
chpart  - change active partition
cmp - memory compare
cmpm- Compare Memory
cp  - memory copy
cpumap - Display CPU memory mapping settings.
crc32   - checksum calculation
date- get/set/reset date & time
dclk- Display the MV device CLKs.
dhcp- invoke DHCP client to obtain IP/boot params
diskboot- boot from IDE device
echo- echo args to console
eeprom  - EEPROM sub-system
erase   - erase FLASH memory
ext2load- load binary file from a Ext2 filesystem
ext2ls  - list files in a directory (default /)
fatinfo - print information about filesystem
fatload - load binary file from a dos filesystem
fatls   - list files in a directory (default /)
fi  - Find value in the memory.
flinfo  - print FLASH memory information
fsinfo  - print information about filesystems
fsload  - load binary file from a filesystem image
g   - start application at cached address 'addr'(default addr
0x4)
go  - start application at address 'addr'
help- print online help
icrc32  - checksum calculation
ide - IDE sub-system
iloop   - infinite loop on address range
imd - i2c memory display
imm[.b, .s, .w, .l] - i2c memory modify (auto-incrementing)
imw - memory write (fill)
inm - memory modify (constant address)
iprobe  - probe to discover valid I2C chip addresses
ir  - reading and changing MV internal register values.
loop   

IM gateways?

[Kurt Granroth]

Has anybody here used an IM gateway and, if so, what is their purpose?

I've been playing around with the OpenFire jabber server lately (very
slick, btw) and one of its features is an IM Gateway.  It allows you to
communicate with non-jabber IM servers (like AIM, Messenger, etc)
through this gateway.

As far as I can tell, though, you still have to register with the
"parent" server.  That is, if you want to communicate with an AIM user,
you'll still need to create an AIM account.

This is completely separate from jabber federation.  I can communication
with GTalk users just fine via my OpenFire server without having to
register with Google at all.

For the other services, though... what's the point?  If you have to
register anyway, why not just access those services directly?

Anybody know what I'm missing?
Kurt
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Re: IM gateways?

[Jon M. Hanson]

It allows you to keep using an AOL Instant Messenger account, for  
example, if you still have people on that service that you need to  
keep in contact with and you already have an account.
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On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Kurt Granroth wrote:

> Has anybody here used an IM gateway and, if so, what is their purpose?
>
> I've been playing around with the OpenFire jabber server lately (very
> slick, btw) and one of its features is an IM Gateway.  It allows you  
> to
> communicate with non-jabber IM servers (like AIM, Messenger, etc)
> through this gateway.
>
> As far as I can tell, though, you still have to register with the
> "parent" server.  That is, if you want to communicate with an AIM  
> user,
> you'll still need to create an AIM account.
>
> This is completely separate from jabber federation.  I can  
> communication
> with GTalk users just fine via my OpenFire server without having to
> register with Google at all.
>
> For the other services, though... what's the point?  If you have to
> register anyway, why not just access those services directly?
>
> Anybody know what I'm missing?
> Kurt
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Re: IM gateways?

[Kurt Granroth]

Sure, I have multiple IM accounts for exactly that reason.  But pretty
much every IM client out there can support multiple accounts.  Why
wouldn't you just manage your multiple accounts in the IM app instead of
routing it through some other service?

I have to be missing something pretty fundamental, here.

Jon M. Hanson wrote:
> It allows you to keep using an AOL Instant Messenger account, for  
> example, if you still have people on that service that you need to  
> keep in contact with and you already have an account.
> ---
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> Weblog: http://the-hansons-az.net/wordpress/
> Homepage: http://the-hansons-az.net/
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> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Kurt Granroth wrote:
> 
>> Has anybody here used an IM gateway and, if so, what is their purpose?
>>
>> I've been playing around with the OpenFire jabber server lately (very
>> slick, btw) and one of its features is an IM Gateway.  It allows you  
>> to
>> communicate with non-jabber IM servers (like AIM, Messenger, etc)
>> through this gateway.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, though, you still have to register with the
>> "parent" server.  That is, if you want to communicate with an AIM  
>> user,
>> you'll still need to create an AIM account.
>>
>> This is completely separate from jabber federation.  I can  
>> communication
>> with GTalk users just fine via my OpenFire server without having to
>> register with Google at all.
>>
>> For the other services, though... what's the point?  If you have to
>> register anyway, why not just access those services directly?
>>
>> Anybody know what I'm missing?
>> Kurt
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Re: IM gateways?

[Joseph Sinclair]

The main advantages of gateways, from my perspective, are twofold:
1) Your multiple IM personas are managed server-side, so you connect once from 
any given location and don't have to re-enter all your accounts everywhere.
2) Gateways can connect to additional services that most clients cannot connect 
to, such as SMS service or SIP voice/TDD services.

There are additional benefits in the form of reduced spim and more flexibility 
in what type of interface you have available, but the above are the biggest 
advantages.

For corporate users, the big advantages are that all IM can be restricted to 
the corporate server for audit, electronic records, and policy enforcement, but 
that's not a big deal for individual use.

Kurt Granroth wrote:
> Sure, I have multiple IM accounts for exactly that reason.  But pretty
> much every IM client out there can support multiple accounts.  Why
> wouldn't you just manage your multiple accounts in the IM app instead of
> routing it through some other service?
> 
> I have to be missing something pretty fundamental, here.
> 
> Jon M. Hanson wrote:
>> It allows you to keep using an AOL Instant Messenger account, for  
>> example, if you still have people on that service that you need to  
>> keep in contact with and you already have an account.
>> ---
>> Jon M. Hanson (N7ZVJ)
>> Weblog: http://the-hansons-az.net/wordpress/
>> Homepage: http://the-hansons-az.net/
>> Jabber IM: j...@the-hansons-az.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Kurt Granroth wrote:
>>
>>> Has anybody here used an IM gateway and, if so, what is their purpose?
>>>
>>> I've been playing around with the OpenFire jabber server lately (very
>>> slick, btw) and one of its features is an IM Gateway.  It allows you  
>>> to
>>> communicate with non-jabber IM servers (like AIM, Messenger, etc)
>>> through this gateway.
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, though, you still have to register with the
>>> "parent" server.  That is, if you want to communicate with an AIM  
>>> user,
>>> you'll still need to create an AIM account.
>>>
>>> This is completely separate from jabber federation.  I can  
>>> communication
>>> with GTalk users just fine via my OpenFire server without having to
>>> register with Google at all.
>>>
>>> For the other services, though... what's the point?  If you have to
>>> register anyway, why not just access those services directly?
>>>
>>> Anybody know what I'm missing?
>>> Kurt
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Re: IM gateways?

[Ed]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Joseph Sinclair
 wrote:
> The main advantages of gateways, from my perspective, are twofold:
> 1) Your multiple IM personas are managed server-side, so you connect once 
> from any given location and don't have to re-enter all your accounts 
> everywhere.
> 2) Gateways can connect to additional services that most clients cannot 
> connect to, such as SMS service or SIP voice/TDD services.
>
> There are additional benefits in the form of reduced spim and more 
> flexibility in what type of interface you have available, but the above are 
> the biggest advantages.
>
> For corporate users, the big advantages are that all IM can be restricted to 
> the corporate server for audit, electronic records, and policy enforcement, 
> but that's not a big deal for individual use.
>
> Kurt Granroth wrote:
>> Sure, I have multiple IM accounts for exactly that reason.  But pretty
>> much every IM client out there can support multiple accounts.  Why
>> wouldn't you just manage your multiple accounts in the IM app instead of
>> routing it through some other service?
>>
>> I have to be missing something pretty fundamental, here.
>>

Gateways enable non-Internet networks to access Internet services -
keep the house in RFC 1918 non-routable space? Work running a firewall
that blocks IM ports? you need a gateway to stay connected.
OpenFire is targeted at the SMB market - good Asterisk integration if
memory serves - so consolidating the chaos that is everyone's personal
IM choice into one corporate login solves lots of probable problems.
You can also lock down the client if you control the gateway, so less
support headaches.

You still need the creds to use the other services, a Gateway just
consolidates the various IM traffic - like a proxy - to your internal
network. There is always a service gap when AIM or somebody else makes
changes to their "proprietary" protocol - just FYI.
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