Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-14 Thread Mark Phillips
And what does this thread have to do with LINUX?

Mark

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:

 AND once you sign ANY petition there (which has about as much weight
 as an idea) they spam the heck out of you with more petitions to sign.. no
 thanks!


 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote:

  On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.

 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
 very clear that this is no joke.

 Click the link below to sign the petition:

 - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


 Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
 petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
 At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
 initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard.





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   You *do* realize there is really NO provision for states to break away
 right?   This whole petition thing is bogus.

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Re: fill out forms

2012-10-17 Thread Mark Phillips
The reviews for pdfescape firefox addon are not that good, and it does not
open pdf files on your file system. They have to be links on a page. Not
very useful for pdf's sent to you via email.

As I get older, I get more paranoid, so I don't really trust my business
documents with an online service. In my more rational moments, I wonder why
anyone would want to read my business documents..but that is a
conversation with myself for another time...;)

Mark


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mike:

 On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I frequently get forms I need to fill out in PDFs. I hat printing them
 to fill them out and then needing to scan  to email the form to the person
 that needs the said form. Is there like a program or website I can open a
 pdf in that will allow me to fill it out on my computer?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 Plugins for Firefox can provide pdf form editing.
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Need help with /dev/shm

2012-09-09 Thread Mark Phillips
I have been having some issues with an old server running a jsp
applicaition (tomcat web server and java 1.5I said it was old!). I
looked at the partitions and found:

Last login: Sun Sep 9 11:57:49 2012 from 192.168.25.150
mark@gandalf:~$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda6 110G 61G 44G 58% /
tmpfs 63M 0 63M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda1 30M 7.3M 21M 27% /boot
mark@gandalf:~$

tmpfs or /dev/shm is at 0%. Usually, a zero anywhere is bad thing;) so
should I do something about this?

I goolged /dev/shm and understand that it is a ram disk for interprocess
communications. Wonderful. Should I be worried it is at 0% Should I
increase the size? Running top shows these resources in the system

Tasks: 60 total, 1 running, 59 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 1.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 98.4% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.0% si
Mem: 127152k total, 124740k used, 2412k free, 6896k buffers
Swap: 489940k total, 0k used, 489940k free, 45500k cached


If I should increase the size of /dev/shm, would I edit fstab and add this
line

none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,size=8G 0 0

and then

mount -o remount /dev/shm

Thanks,

Mark

P.S. The issues I am having with the application may have nothing to do
with this situation...could be some bad programmingie a bug.

P.P.S. I am running Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (
ho...@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13))
(yes, I said it was old) Consider it my contribution to keeping old
hardware out of the dump!
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Re: Need help with /dev/shm

2012-09-09 Thread Mark Phillips
Lisa,

Thank-you for your fast response.

Now, do I get the award for the absolutely dumbest question to every be
posted to the plug list? My award should be banishment to the world of
Windoze.

My apologies for wasting everyone's time... :(

Mark

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:

 I have been having some issues with an old server running a jsp
 applicaition (tomcat web server and java 1.5I said it was old!). I
 looked at the partitions and found:

 Last login: Sun Sep 9 11:57:49 2012 from 192.168.25.150
 mark@gandalf:~$ df -h
 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda6 110G 61G 44G 58% /
 tmpfs 63M 0 63M 0% /dev/shm
 /dev/hda1 30M 7.3M 21M 27% /boot
 mark@gandalf:~$

 tmpfs or /dev/shm is at 0%. Usually, a zero anywhere is bad thing;)
 so should I do something about this?

 This is 63M with 0 used above.

 You can expand it for better performance, but I doubt that your
 utilization issues are /dev/shm kernel intermessage processing related.  In
 a J2EE system, it would be memory, garbage collection, or a kernel based
 known memory error.

 But if you are running Ultramonkey  or a databasae, you could use all of
 /dev/shm during heavy network use, so you can easily expand /dev/shm (see
 below).


 Reference:
 http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/what-is-devshm-and-its-practical-usage.html


 I goolged /dev/shm and understand that it is a ram disk for interprocess
 communications. Wonderful. Should I be worried it is at 0% Should I
 increase the size? Running top shows these resources in the system

 Tasks: 60 total, 1 running, 59 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
 Cpu(s): 1.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 98.4% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.0% si
 Mem: 127152k total, 124740k used, 2412k free, 6896k buffers
 Swap: 489940k total, 0k used, 489940k free, 45500k cached


 If I should increase the size of /dev/shm, would I edit fstab and add
 this line

 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,size=8G 0 0

 and then

 mount -o remount /dev/shm

 You can use /dev/shm to improve the performance of 
 applicationhttp://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/what-is-devshm-and-its-practical-usage.html#software
  such as Oracle or overall Linux system
 performancehttp://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/what-is-devshm-and-its-practical-usage.html#.
 On heavily loaded system, it can make tons of difference. For example
 VMware workstation/server can be optimized to improve your Linux host's
 performance (i.e. improve the performance of your virtual machines).

 In this example, remount /dev/shm with 8G size as follows:
 # mount -o remount,size=8G /dev/shm
 To be frank, if you have more than 2GB RAM + multiple Virtual 
 machineshttp://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/what-is-devshm-and-its-practical-usage.html#,
 this hack always improves performance. In this example, you will give you
 tmpfs instance on /disk2/tmpfs which can allocate 5GB RAM/SWAP in 5K inodes
 and it is only accessible by root:
 # mount -t tmpfs -o size=5G,nr_inodes=5k,mode=700 tmpfs /disk2/tmpfs
 Where,

- *-o opt1,opt2 * : Pass various options with a -o flag followed by a
comma separated string of options. In this examples, I used the following
options:
   - *remount* : Attempt to remount an already-mounted filesystem. In
   this example, remount the system and increase its size.
   - *size=8G or size=5G* : Override default maximum size of the
   /dev/shm filesystem. he size is given in bytes, and rounded up to entire
   pages. The default is half of the memory. The size parameter also 
 accepts a
   suffix % to limit this tmpfs instance to that percentage of your pysical
   RAM: the default, when neither size nor nr_blocks is specified, is
   size=50%. In this example it is set to 8GiB or 5GiB. The tmpfs mount
   options for sizing ( size, nr_blocks, and nr_inodes) accept a suffix k, 
 m
   or g for Ki, Mi, Gi (binary kilo, mega and giga) and can be changed on
   remount.
   - *nr_inodes=5k* : The maximum number of inodes for this instance.
   The default is half of the number of your physical RAM pages, or (on a
   machine with highmem) the number of lowmem RAM pages, whichever is the
   lower.
   - *mode=700* : Set initial permissions of the root directory.
   - *tmpfs* : Tmpfs is a file system which keeps all files in virtual
   memory.

 *How do I restrict or modify size of /dev/shm permanently?*

 You need to add or modify entry in /etc/fstab file so that system can read
 it after the reboot. Edit, /etc/fstab as a root user, enter:
 # vi /etc/fstab
 Append or modify /dev/shm entry as follows to set size to 8G

 none  /dev/shmtmpfs   defaults,size=8G0 0

 Save and close the file. For the changes to take effect immediately
 remount /dev/shm:
 # mount -o remount /dev/shm

 Thanks,




 Mark

 P.S. The issues I am having with the application may have nothing

Re: networking down

2012-07-21 Thread Mark Phillips
Michael,

After the update, did you reboot the computer? If not, then the updates did
not take effect until you turned off your computer.

If the upgrade changed your kernel, then your wifi drivers may need to be
updated.

Mark
On Jul 21, 2012 6:08 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 lspci to get the wifi chip??
 also
 What happened to the driver I didn't do anything different than I
 usually do beside turning the computer off.

 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 That looks to be the issue. Best fix i can think of is to Google your
 wifi chip and see what drivers you cab find
  On Jul 21, 2012 4:46 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder if my network driver got hosed?I'm looking at the 'Wireless
 Network Drivers' window and nothing is listed under 'Currently Installed
 Windows Drivers:' When I click 'Configure Network' Network Connections
 window and nothing is listed. Everything is grayed out. When I click 'add'
 everything is grayed out.

 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yeahhh thanks Stepan. Which file do I inspect? Was 'lofs' a missepell
 of 'logs'?


 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most any Ubuntu or its relatives uses /var/logs
 On Jul 21, 2012 3:23 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can't find the logs where are they, please?

 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.comwrote:

 lofs?


 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I did not know that part. I wojld look into lofs. They will likely
 have clues and answers
 On Jul 21, 2012 3:17 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 but the network was up for a week.

 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.comwrote:

 logs are going to be your best bet of finding out anything. to me
 it
 sounds like your upgrade ate your wlan drivers.

 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Michael Havens 
 bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Everything was working great on my laptop and then I up graded.
 Well,
  everything ran great still for about a month but then I shut my
 computer
  down and then the next day I start my computer again but as it
 is booting am
  told 'waiting for network configuration...' Then 'Waiting up to
 60 more
  seconds for network configuration...' Then the login screen
 appears. I login
  but the network is still down until I open a terminal and type:
 
  ifconfig wlan0 up
 
 
  Well, The little blue networking light comes on when I type
 ifconfig but no
  pages will load and I can't rsync so I guess it doesn't work
 still. I know
  it isn't the card because another OS I have on the computer
 acts normally
  when it is loaded.
 
  Could someone tell me what is going on?
 
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Re: OT: Android Dev Questions

2012-07-10 Thread Mark Phillips
Gmail seems to have a problem with inline answers today, so I will add them
here...


   1.

   What is the life expectancy of Android? Will it be around 15 years from
   now?

   I haven't a clue. I hope I am around 15 years from now! ;)
   2.

   How hard is it to upgrade a phone to a newer version of Android?

   If your carrier wants to upgrade the phone, then they will send you an
   upgrade package OTA and your phone will upgrade. If you want to upgrade
   manually, then you will have to root your phone and apply the upgrade
   manually. Just google for your phone type and the upgrade you want.
   Generally speaking, US carriers don't want to spend the time upgrading
   phones - they want you to buy a new one because they subsidize part of the
   cost to get you to buy a plan. In Europe, you pay the full price for the
   phone, so you can upgrade it as you wish. As a result, the versions change
   slowly - 86.7% of the phones out there are at version 2.3.3, and version 4
   was just released. This percentage would be even higher if it weren't for
   tablets (versions 3 and 4 added a lot of tablet stuff).


   1.

   Are there any compatibility issues?

   Yes and no. Some older early Android hardware will have problems with
   the newer android versions, but for the most part they are supposed to be
   backward compatible. The big moving target is screen resolution - ie
   tablets versus larger screen phones. It takes some ui redesign to move from
   a small screen to a giant one, and to be compatible with all of them.
   However, the underlying non-ui parts are the same.
   2.

   How does one monetize Android application development skills?

   Write a killer app and sell it. ;) The google market is huge, so it is
   harder to get noticed (ie rated and found), and there is no easy way to
   talk to anyone at google about issues with your account. However, other
   markets exists - amazon looks promising, but I believe they take a larger
   cut, but provide better customer support. Of course, if your app is free,
   it does not matter.
   3.

   Where can I find quality used Android phones?

   I am not sure what quality means, but in the usual places - craig's
   list, ebay, etc. Friends as well.it does not take much time to download
   an app run it and then remove it. The Android SDK comes with a good
   emulator, so you can catch lots of issues with that tool. Again, the
   biggest issue I have found is varying screen resolutions and making sure
   everything looks right. The emulator helps, and I have not found a need to
   have every phone on the market in my possession to test. There are also
   testing services you can use - some free and some for pay.
   4.

   What device would you recommend I use to learn Android development –
   Phone, Tablet, Simulator?

   Start with the SDK and the emulator. Also, take a look at this page -
   http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html to see where to
   target your development. Then read the android developer docs - they are
   very very good. Depending on how you learn, you may want to pick up a book
   or two, but they are totally out of date except for the basics. Another
   good source is http://commonsware.com/mmurphy. You can pay for the
   e-book and get all the updates and changes for a year. Mark Murphy hangs
   out in the developer forum and provides very good answers to questions,
   especially for newbies.

Hope that helps.and no, I have not created any killer apps yet so I can
retire on the millions in royalty checks from google...so YMMV!

Good luck!

Mark

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:27 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Posted to PLUG, TFUG, AzPHP


  I wondering about trends. Currently I make my living as a LAMP
 developer. The market seems strong and lots of main stream apps are built
 with PHP. So I expect the market to continue to be strong for 10 – 15
 years. That is the time frame I am interested in.


  Things are moving rather fast now. Cheap hardware is now a reality. It
 looks like a smart phone has more CPU and RAM than the laptop I bought 10
 year ago, and the desktop I bought 7 year ago. I think I saw a smart phone
 that had a dual core 1.5ghtz processor and a gig of RAM. My first 2
 computers didn't even have hard drives..


  I'm intrigued by Android development. Seems there is really only one
 option and that is the Android SDK that is modified Java. I don't find Java
 to be intuitive, however I can live with it.


  My main question has to do with compatibility. A friend tells me he
 thinks there are comparability issues between manufactures since they
 modify Android to met their needs and the lack of standards. After
 exchanging emails, it sounds like writing Android code is like writing
 JavaScript that needs to run in all the currently available browsers. We
 have JavaScript solutions – MooTools, jQuery … etc. However in the short
 time I've been looking at Android 

Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees

2012-07-10 Thread Mark Phillips
I agree with JD.

1. Take a look at what exists today and negotiate a maintenance contract
just for that. Any new features beyond what is there today will entail (1)
a development cost and (2) a maintenance cost for those features. You may
decide to include the maintenance on a new feature is so small it will be
part of the current maintenance contract, but all new features need to be
paid for.

2. Finally, spend you free time figuring out how to automate the
maintenance of what you already have, (ie whatever it takes to reduce the
amount of time you spend on maintenance) and make those changes so the time
spend on maintenance goes down.

Mark

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:23 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 First of all 'Adding new features' is NOT maintenance; did you agree to
 implementing new features as part of your maintenance agreement?.  $15/hour
 is not even close to industry standard.
 You are correct.. it is not worth the time you're spending on it.  I would
 immediately 're-clarify' what you're willing to do for the small amount
 they're paying you; specifically stop creating new features and only
 maintain what you've already created (bug fixes and OS related updates
 only) .  If they want more then it's time to re-negotiate.

 I understand with glaring clarity that I'm am replaceable and know making
 demands never works.


 Anyone they bring in will have to climb the learning curve of the code
 you've created; you're not as replaceable as you think.  I would say don't
 make threats or demands... just be open and honest with them about it.  If
 it were me I would simply state that while you've added new features
 without demanding additional compensation in the past that doing so has
 become a barrier to the success of your business due to the increasing
 amount of time involved and that you can no longer continue to do so.  Say
 you'll continue to support the application you've created for them as
 agreed for the price agreed but that support does not include implementing
 new features.

 Don't feel too bad... I've made the same mistake you have Pete... I tried
 to be 'the low price leader' for way too long   :)
 Charge at least 7 - 10 times what you're charging them; think 'if I had to
 take myself out of the equation how much would I have to spend on a
 competent programmer to do so'   (salary.com is a good indicator).  I too
 was stuck in a situation where I couldn't even hire someone to take over
 the work that was killing my business; bad situation to be in :(

 JD

 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:52 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

  Hi All,

 First of all thanks to those folks who responded with some helpful points.
 To clarify some of the questions asked:

 I understand with glaring clarity that I'm am replaceable and know making
 demands never works.  Over the years, the company's revenue has increased.
 But also over the years, I've spent more time adding features. It was
 probably my fault for not clearly detailing how much time I'd spend adding
 features  functionality versus just maintaining the existing application.
 Last year I did a bit of calculation on how much time I spend on
 maintaining and improving the application versus my percentage of revenue
 compensation and I came to a rate of about $15/hour.

 While in the very beginning of this project, I did it more for the
 learning of building a large application and the money was a nice side job.
 But now, it seems the hours got longer (due to significantly increased code
 base) and the pay didn't keep pace.  At ~$15/hr it's just not worth the
 time to keep staying on the project.  However, to get the compensation to a
 more market-rate level seems very difficult.  The revenues for this
 business market (its academia  government) has been going steady down (the
 owner must keep lowering bids each year to get a contract). Looking at the
 numbers coming in, if he had to pay me a market-rate for programming, his
 IT budget would double or more and the business would go under.  Which
 leads me to think that perhaps this isn't a viable business anymore if one
 can't make enough income to cover the costs of infrastructure.

 Maybe it's time to let this one go...

 Thanks for letting me rant!

 Peter




 On 7/9/2012 8:01 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 I don't quite understand what is going on.

 Has their gross revenue remained flat for all these years, do you are not
 making add much as before? Or, are you now thinking that the percentage is
 too low?

 Are you spending more time maintaining their servers and performing
 updates than when you started? Are you creating new functionality for them?

 Mark
 On Jul 9, 2012 7:16 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

  Hi All,

 I'm in a bit of a quandary about fees I'm receiving from a long time
 client and thought I'd tap the PLUG brain-trust to get some input.

 This situation is this:

 A few years ago I developed a PHP application that a client uses to run

Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees

2012-07-09 Thread Mark Phillips
I don't quite understand what is going on.

Has their gross revenue remained flat for all these years, do you are not
making add much as before? Or, are you now thinking that the percentage is
too low?

Are you spending more time maintaining their servers and performing updates
than when you started? Are you creating new functionality for them?

Mark
On Jul 9, 2012 7:16 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

  Hi All,

 I'm in a bit of a quandary about fees I'm receiving from a long time
 client and thought I'd tap the PLUG brain-trust to get some input.

 This situation is this:

 A few years ago I developed a PHP application that a client uses to run
 their business (its a typical LAMP platform). Without getting into tedious
 details, this software application is used to run their entire business.
 It is understood that the software ownship resides with me and they are
 paying for its use - licensing it, if you will.  At the start of this
 project, we agreed upon a certain percentage of gross revenue that I would
 receive as payment for use of this software.

 In return, I would maintain the software, provide various updates or
 additions, and some light server admin work to keep the application
 running.  This arrangement has been working quite well and the business
 relationship is excellent. However, I feel now that the percentage I
 receive is too low (it hasn't been changed since the start of this
 venture).  I have broached the subject of having to update our arrangement,
 but was met with some resistance.

 I wanted to ask fellow consultants/contractor/software devs what is the
 going rate for such an arrangement.
 Namely, if you are licensing a software product to a client for their use,
 what is a reasonable percentage of gross revenue a business should expect
 to pay. Especially, a software product that is the core component of their
 business without which the business wouldn't exist.

 Any thoughts would be *very* appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Peter

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Re: Looking for Router Suggestions

2012-07-06 Thread Mark Phillips
James,

It sounds like a fun project! I am very tempted...

However, I found this one -
https://www.flashrouters.com/netgear-wnr3500l-ddwrt-router.php for $80. It
has wireless, but I can just turn it off. A 480 MHz processor, and dd-wrt
installed and tested with openvpn. I haven't priced out your parts list,
but I would be surprised if it comes to less than $80. Also, I think the
netgear router will consume less power and space in my crowded cable
closet (aka the top shelf in my cupboard).

Answers to your questions -
I need a total of 20 gigabit LAN ports for my network. Currently, I have
two 8 port gigabit switches, and 4 10/100 ports on my current BEFSX41
router. I want to upgrade the router for open vpn, and gigabit speeds. So
the router is also a switch.

What is the advantage of running the whole thing virtualized?

But still, the fun of building this little project may outweigh the high
costs ($ and amps).

Mark

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.comwrote:

 MSI Micro ATX board with Athlon II processor w/ 4 PCI slots (or 2 PCI and
 2 PCIE)
 2 GB RAM
 4 gigabit NIC cards
 IDE or SATA to Compact Flash  Adaptor
 Compact flash 2GB memory - install Linux or Router based distro on CF card
 or USB memory stick
 External power 120v to 12v transformer w/ mono power converter
 Small micro case
 Set BIOS to boot CF Card or USB Memory stick
 Ubuntu 10.04 or 12.04 LTS server minimum install
  - Install Openssh
  - Firewall
  - OpenVPN
  - iptables

 Basically you are building an edge router/vpnserver.  There are a lot of
 instructions to build a high end router/openvpn system using a minimum box
 configuration.  The mobo  chip and RAM maybe overkill but smaller ATOM
 based boards probably won't have 4 PCI slots.  you should be able to pick
 up these for very reasonable cost compared to a higher end router.  Do you
 need all 4 - 1 gigabit connections to the router or can the connections to
 the VPN be shared off of one or two NICs?  OpenVPN needs a minimum of 2
 NIC's  (Unless you have set up virtual network adaptors and bridged them
 together).  Are you dedicating each user to a NIC for speed?  If not you
 could allocate the 4 users to a NIC and connect the router/vpnserver to a 4
 port gigabit switch.

 I'm sure there are a number of the ways to do this and there even might be
 fairly high end router for a good deal but most will also have built in
 wireless as well.  to find a dedicated wired only higher end router you may
 pay as much as the system I just outlined and it would be no where near the
 capabilities of the above system unless it was a lot more expensive.

 I'm sure that there are others here with a lot more experience with
 consumer and enterprise level equipment then myself but I have had success
 with the above. Also keep in mind that the Athlon II is 64bit with SVM
 built in for virtualization.  With additional memory you could run the
 whole thing virtualized using KVM or VMware.

 Good Luck!




 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 I am looking for a router with the following characteristics:
 * No wifi
 * 4 gigabit LAN ports
 * 1 WAN port to connect to my Cox Cable Modem
 * 400 MHZ+ processor so I can run OpenVPN SSL for a max of 4  remote
 users to access the LAN at the same time.

 The last point comes from reading various forums about running openvpn on
 the router, and they all say get the fastest possible cpu. I probably have
 to run dd-wrt on the router to get openvpn running on the router, but I am
 open to other options (most of the open source router packages support
 openvpn, so anyone will do).

 Thanks!

 Mark

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Re: Looking for Router Suggestions

2012-07-06 Thread Mark Phillips
Larry,

I queried FlashRouters if they require any vpn or dynamic dns services, or
if they modify the dd-wrt firmware in any way, and got this response:

VPN and DNS service are not required at all, however it is quite simple to
integrate them with DD-WRT routers.
We load tested, stable DD-WRT builds onto the device, we do not modify the
actual firmware.

Have you had a bad experience with FlashRouters?

Mark

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:

 Be sure to look at the fine print.  They are setting that router to work
 with a specific provider of what I think is dynamic DNS and offer special
 encryption at fee that can come to about $10/month.


 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:

 James,

 It sounds like a fun project! I am very tempted...

 However, I found this one -
 https://www.flashrouters.com/netgear-wnr3500l-ddwrt-router.php for $80.
 It has wireless, but I can just turn it off. A 480 MHz processor, and
 dd-wrt installed and tested with openvpn. I haven't priced out your parts
 list, but I would be surprised if it comes to less than $80. Also, I think
 the netgear router will consume less power and space in my crowded cable
 closet (aka the top shelf in my cupboard).

 Answers to your questions -
 I need a total of 20 gigabit LAN ports for my network. Currently, I have
 two 8 port gigabit switches, and 4 10/100 ports on my current BEFSX41
 router. I want to upgrade the router for open vpn, and gigabit speeds. So
 the router is also a switch.

 What is the advantage of running the whole thing virtualized?

 But still, the fun of building this little project may outweigh the high
 costs ($ and amps).

 Mark


 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.comwrote:

 MSI Micro ATX board with Athlon II processor w/ 4 PCI slots (or 2 PCI
 and 2 PCIE)
 2 GB RAM
 4 gigabit NIC cards
 IDE or SATA to Compact Flash  Adaptor
 Compact flash 2GB memory - install Linux or Router based distro on CF
 card or USB memory stick
 External power 120v to 12v transformer w/ mono power converter
 Small micro case
 Set BIOS to boot CF Card or USB Memory stick
 Ubuntu 10.04 or 12.04 LTS server minimum install
  - Install Openssh
  - Firewall
  - OpenVPN
  - iptables

 Basically you are building an edge router/vpnserver.  There are a lot of
 instructions to build a high end router/openvpn system using a minimum box
 configuration.  The mobo  chip and RAM maybe overkill but smaller ATOM
 based boards probably won't have 4 PCI slots.  you should be able to pick
 up these for very reasonable cost compared to a higher end router.  Do you
 need all 4 - 1 gigabit connections to the router or can the connections to
 the VPN be shared off of one or two NICs?  OpenVPN needs a minimum of 2
 NIC's  (Unless you have set up virtual network adaptors and bridged them
 together).  Are you dedicating each user to a NIC for speed?  If not you
 could allocate the 4 users to a NIC and connect the router/vpnserver to a 4
 port gigabit switch.

 I'm sure there are a number of the ways to do this and there even might
 be fairly high end router for a good deal but most will also have built in
 wireless as well.  to find a dedicated wired only higher end router you may
 pay as much as the system I just outlined and it would be no where near the
 capabilities of the above system unless it was a lot more expensive.

 I'm sure that there are others here with a lot more experience with
 consumer and enterprise level equipment then myself but I have had success
 with the above. Also keep in mind that the Athlon II is 64bit with SVM
 built in for virtualization.  With additional memory you could run the
 whole thing virtualized using KVM or VMware.

 Good Luck!




 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I am looking for a router with the following characteristics:
 * No wifi
 * 4 gigabit LAN ports
 * 1 WAN port to connect to my Cox Cable Modem
 * 400 MHZ+ processor so I can run OpenVPN SSL for a max of 4  remote
 users to access the LAN at the same time.

 The last point comes from reading various forums about running openvpn
 on the router, and they all say get the fastest possible cpu. I probably
 have to run dd-wrt on the router to get openvpn running on the router, but
 I am open to other options (most of the open source router packages support
 openvpn, so anyone will do).

 Thanks!

 Mark

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Re: Looking for Router Suggestions

2012-07-06 Thread Mark Phillips
Eric,

I agree with all that you wrote. However,

* I don't have a spare P3
* I have some old laptops, but no dual nic ones
* I don't have space in my cable shelf to anything bigger than my current
BEFSX41 firewall/router
* The shelf is up high in a rather warm room and the 2 switches, and it
gets a little toasty in there in the summer.

A real computer is the best technical solution, but not feasible in my set
up.

Thanks for the idea!

Mark

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:

 I run IPCop as a VM (presently VMware, soon to be KVM).

 IPCop has everything you're looking for in a prebuilt distro. Any ol'
 PentiumIII or greater should do, with 2 nics. IPCop provides all of the
 network services you'll likely ever need, and then some.

 You really only need 2 nics (WAN/LAN) on the firewall. I think it'd be
 more appropriate (easier, cheaper) to add another GigE switch to what you
 have. They can be chained together of course.


 On 07/05/2012 11:10 PM, James Dugger wrote:

 MSI Micro ATX board with Athlon II processor w/ 4 PCI slots (or 2 PCI
 and 2 PCIE)
 2 GB RAM
 4 gigabit NIC cards
 IDE or SATA to Compact Flash  Adaptor
 Compact flash 2GB memory - install Linux or Router based distro on CF
 card or USB memory stick
 External power 120v to 12v transformer w/ mono power converter
 Small micro case
 Set BIOS to boot CF Card or USB Memory stick
 Ubuntu 10.04 or 12.04 LTS server minimum install
   - Install Openssh
   - Firewall
   - OpenVPN
   - iptables

 Basically you are building an edge router/vpnserver.  There are a lot of
 instructions to build a high end router/openvpn system using a minimum
 box configuration.  The mobo  chip and RAM maybe overkill but smaller
 ATOM based boards probably won't have 4 PCI slots.  you should be able
 to pick up these for very reasonable cost compared to a higher end
 router.  Do you need all 4 - 1 gigabit connections to the router or can
 the connections to the VPN be shared off of one or two NICs?  OpenVPN
 needs a minimum of 2 NIC's  (Unless you have set up virtual network
 adaptors and bridged them together).  Are you dedicating each user to a
 NIC for speed?  If not you could allocate the 4 users to a NIC and
 connect the router/vpnserver to a 4 port gigabit switch.

 I'm sure there are a number of the ways to do this and there even might
 be fairly high end router for a good deal but most will also have built
 in wireless as well.  to find a dedicated wired only higher end router
 you may pay as much as the system I just outlined and it would be no
 where near the capabilities of the above system unless it was a lot more
 expensive.

 I'm sure that there are others here with a lot more experience with
 consumer and enterprise level equipment then myself but I have had
 success with the above. Also keep in mind that the Athlon II is 64bit
 with SVM built in for virtualization.  With additional memory you could
 run the whole thing virtualized using KVM or VMware.

 Good Luck!




 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz 
 mailto:mark@**phillipsmarketing.bizm...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I am looking for a router with the following characteristics:
 * No wifi
 * 4 gigabit LAN ports
 * 1 WAN port to connect to my Cox Cable Modem
 * 400 MHZ+ processor so I can run OpenVPN SSL for a max of 4  remote
 users to access the LAN at the same time.

 The last point comes from reading various forums about running
 openvpn on the router, and they all say get the fastest possible
 cpu. I probably have to run dd-wrt on the router to get openvpn
 running on the router, but I am open to other options (most of the
 open source router packages support openvpn, so anyone will do).

 Thanks!

 Mark


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Re: Looking for Router Suggestions

2012-07-06 Thread Mark Phillips
So do I.

Except, when I look here-
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/price/74-wan-to-lan it
looks pretty shabby compared to other routers. The Linksys E4200 looks
pretty good, is a little more expensive, but almost twice the WAN-LAN
throughput. The only drawbacks I can see are (1) some reviewers say it runs
hot, but if I disable the readios that may not be an issue and (2) it seems
to be more difficult to reflash with dd-wrt than the 3500L.

Choiceschoices

Mark

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I still really like that router.

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nope.  I followed the link from the earlier message
  https://www.flashrouters.com/netgear-wnr3500l-ddwrt-router.php and read
 this
  on their web site:
 
  Note: VPN capabilities are only available to VPN subscribers. We work
 with
  OverPlayVPN to make this process simple and easy for beginners. A DD-WRT
  router may be used to set up a VPN connection from a different
 provider, but
  only if they offer support. We currently will only preset the router for
  OverPlayVPN users.
 
 
  The I followed the link to OverPlayVPN and read about the services and
  costs.  I know dd-wrt will do OpenVPN without a commercial service.  I
 just
  was concerned you had not noticed that blurb of theirs.
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:
 
  Larry,
 
  I queried FlashRouters if they require any vpn or dynamic dns services,
 or
  if they modify the dd-wrt firmware in any way, and got this response:
 
  VPN and DNS service are not required at all, however it is quite simple
  to integrate them with DD-WRT routers.
  We load tested, stable DD-WRT builds onto the device, we do not modify
 the
  actual firmware.
 
  Have you had a bad experience with FlashRouters?
 
  Mark
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Be sure to look at the fine print.  They are setting that router to
 work
  with a specific provider of what I think is dynamic DNS and offer
 special
  encryption at fee that can come to about $10/month.
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Mark Phillips
  m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:
 
  James,
 
  It sounds like a fun project! I am very tempted...
 
  However, I found this one -
  https://www.flashrouters.com/netgear-wnr3500l-ddwrt-router.php for
 $80. It
  has wireless, but I can just turn it off. A 480 MHz processor, and
 dd-wrt
  installed and tested with openvpn. I haven't priced out your parts
 list, but
  I would be surprised if it comes to less than $80. Also, I think the
 netgear
  router will consume less power and space in my crowded cable closet
 (aka
  the top shelf in my cupboard).
 
  Answers to your questions -
  I need a total of 20 gigabit LAN ports for my network. Currently, I
 have
  two 8 port gigabit switches, and 4 10/100 ports on my current BEFSX41
  router. I want to upgrade the router for open vpn, and gigabit
 speeds. So
  the router is also a switch.
 
  What is the advantage of running the whole thing virtualized?
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Looking for Router Suggestions

2012-07-05 Thread Mark Phillips
I am looking for a router with the following characteristics:
* No wifi
* 4 gigabit LAN ports
* 1 WAN port to connect to my Cox Cable Modem
* 400 MHZ+ processor so I can run OpenVPN SSL for a max of 4  remote users
to access the LAN at the same time.

The last point comes from reading various forums about running openvpn on
the router, and they all say get the fastest possible cpu. I probably have
to run dd-wrt on the router to get openvpn running on the router, but I am
open to other options (most of the open source router packages support
openvpn, so anyone will do).

Thanks!

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Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-02 Thread Mark Phillips
Kenn,

Thanks for the suggestion. The servers do have static IPs, and the box in
question got its IP from my DHCP server. I looked for possible IP collision
and didn't find any. I also tried giving the box a fixed IP, and no change.

Mark

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Kenn parabell...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Forgive if this has already been asked/checked ... you mentioned servers,
 which I assume are on static IP's, is this storage box as well? Could it be
 using an IP already in use, or the wrong subnet, or grabbing an IP from a
 range you've reserved? It probably wouldn't work at all if it was, just
 thought I'd throw it out there.


 -K



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 From: Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 Subject: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet
 To: Phoenix Linux Users plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 1:44 PM


 I have a 100baseT network with several Debian servers, a mac book, and
 some virtual windows. I just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live (MBL)
 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network. The unit is just
 sitting with its green light on, and the web interface is really slow. When
 I ping the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86% packet loss. If I
 ping any other computer on the network I have 0% packet loss. I have tried
 moving the device to different physical plugs, and I get the same results.

 ping results for the MBL from server A:
 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics ---
 330 packets transmitted, 152 received, 53% packet loss, time 329555ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.208/0.273/0.650/0.048 ms

 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics from server B ---
 254 packets transmitted, 120 received, 52% packet loss, time 252998ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.196/0.264/2.499/0.206 ms


 ping results for  server A to B:
 --- 192.168.25.130 ping statistics ---
 340 packets transmitted, 340 received, 0% packet loss, time 338996ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.080/0.177/0.246/0.030 ms

 The device says gigabit Ethernet next to the Ethernet port. Is there any
 reason I can't connect a gigabit Ethernet device to a 100baseT network
 other than the obvious speed difference? Should I see all this packet loss?
 This is actually the second unit I have tried - the first one acted the
 same way, so I took it back. I am now wondering if I am doing something
 wrong.


 Thanks!

 Mark

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Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Phillips
I have a 100baseT network with several Debian servers, a mac book, and some
virtual windows. I just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live (MBL) 2TB
NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network. The unit is just sitting
with its green light on, and the web interface is really slow. When I ping
the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86% packet loss. If I ping any
other computer on the network I have 0% packet loss. I have tried moving
the device to different physical plugs, and I get the same results.

ping results for the MBL from server A:
--- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics ---
330 packets transmitted, 152 received, 53% packet loss, time 329555ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.208/0.273/0.650/0.048 ms

--- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics from server B ---
254 packets transmitted, 120 received, 52% packet loss, time 252998ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.196/0.264/2.499/0.206 ms


ping results for  server A to B:
--- 192.168.25.130 ping statistics ---
340 packets transmitted, 340 received, 0% packet loss, time 338996ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.080/0.177/0.246/0.030 ms

The device says gigabit Ethernet next to the Ethernet port. Is there any
reason I can't connect a gigabit Ethernet device to a 100baseT network
other than the obvious speed difference? Should I see all this packet loss?
This is actually the second unit I have tried - the first one acted the
same way, so I took it back. I am now wondering if I am doing something
wrong.


Thanks!

Mark
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Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Phillips
How do I use ethtool to answer your question?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does ethtool tell you about what the interface thinks it is?

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:

 I have a 100baseT network with several Debian servers, a mac book, and
 some virtual windows. I just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live (MBL)
 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network. The unit is just
 sitting with its green light on, and the web interface is really slow. When
 I ping the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86% packet loss. If I
 ping any other computer on the network I have 0% packet loss. I have tried
 moving the device to different physical plugs, and I get the same results.

 ping results for the MBL from server A:
 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics ---
 330 packets transmitted, 152 received, 53% packet loss, time 329555ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.208/0.273/0.650/0.048 ms

 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics from server B ---
 254 packets transmitted, 120 received, 52% packet loss, time 252998ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.196/0.264/2.499/0.206 ms


 ping results for  server A to B:
 --- 192.168.25.130 ping statistics ---
 340 packets transmitted, 340 received, 0% packet loss, time 338996ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.080/0.177/0.246/0.030 ms

 The device says gigabit Ethernet next to the Ethernet port. Is there any
 reason I can't connect a gigabit Ethernet device to a 100baseT network
 other than the obvious speed difference? Should I see all this packet loss?
 This is actually the second unit I have tried - the first one acted the
 same way, so I took it back. I am now wondering if I am doing something
 wrong.


 Thanks!

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Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Phillips
So I need to run this on the MLB?

Mark
On Jul 1, 2012 1:36 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 As such.  You need to use whatever eth device you have, of course.

 jmcphee@locus ~ :) $ sudo ethtool eth2
 Settings for eth2:
 Supported ports: [ TP MII ]
 Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
 Supported pause frame use: No
 Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
 Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
 Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only
 Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
 Link partner advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 Link partner advertised pause frame use: Symmetric
 Link partner advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
 Speed: 100Mb/s
 Duplex: Full
 Port: MII
 PHYAD: 0
 Transceiver: internal
 Auto-negotiation: on
 Supports Wake-on: pumbg
 Wake-on: g
 Current message level: 0x0033 (51)
drv probe ifdown ifup
 Link detected: yes


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 How do I use ethtool to answer your question?

 Mark


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does ethtool tell you about what the interface thinks it is?

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I have a 100baseT network with several Debian servers, a mac book, and
 some virtual windows. I just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live (MBL)
 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network. The unit is just
 sitting with its green light on, and the web interface is really slow. When
 I ping the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86% packet loss. If I
 ping any other computer on the network I have 0% packet loss. I have tried
 moving the device to different physical plugs, and I get the same results.

 ping results for the MBL from server A:
 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics ---
 330 packets transmitted, 152 received, 53% packet loss, time 329555ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.208/0.273/0.650/0.048 ms

 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics from server B ---
 254 packets transmitted, 120 received, 52% packet loss, time 252998ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.196/0.264/2.499/0.206 ms


 ping results for  server A to B:
 --- 192.168.25.130 ping statistics ---
 340 packets transmitted, 340 received, 0% packet loss, time 338996ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.080/0.177/0.246/0.030 ms

 The device says gigabit Ethernet next to the Ethernet port. Is there
 any reason I can't connect a gigabit Ethernet device to a 100baseT network
 other than the obvious speed difference? Should I see all this packet loss?
 This is actually the second unit I have tried - the first one acted the
 same way, so I took it back. I am now wondering if I am doing something
 wrong.


 Thanks!

 Mark

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Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Phillips
I was able to ssh into the MBL and it has ethtool installed -

MyBookLive:~# ethtool eth0
Settings for eth0:
Supported ports: [ MII ]
Supported link modes:   10baseT/Full
100baseT/Full
1000baseT/Full
Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Full
100baseT/Full
1000baseT/Full
Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
Speed: 100Mb/s
Duplex: Full
Port: MII
PHYAD: 1
Transceiver: external
Auto-negotiation: on
Link detected: yes
MyBookLive:~#

So, it should work on 100baeT. Any thoughts on why I am loosing so many
packets?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 So I need to run this on the MLB?

 Mark
 On Jul 1, 2012 1:36 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 As such.  You need to use whatever eth device you have, of course.

 jmcphee@locus ~ :) $ sudo ethtool eth2
 Settings for eth2:
 Supported ports: [ TP MII ]
 Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
 Supported pause frame use: No
 Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
 Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
 Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only
 Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
 Link partner advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 Link partner advertised pause frame use: Symmetric
 Link partner advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
 Speed: 100Mb/s
 Duplex: Full
 Port: MII
 PHYAD: 0
 Transceiver: internal
 Auto-negotiation: on
 Supports Wake-on: pumbg
 Wake-on: g
 Current message level: 0x0033 (51)
drv probe ifdown ifup
 Link detected: yes


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:

 How do I use ethtool to answer your question?

 Mark


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does ethtool tell you about what the interface thinks it is?

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I have a 100baseT network with several Debian servers, a mac book, and
 some virtual windows. I just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live 
 (MBL)
 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network. The unit is just
 sitting with its green light on, and the web interface is really slow. 
 When
 I ping the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86% packet loss. If I
 ping any other computer on the network I have 0% packet loss. I have tried
 moving the device to different physical plugs, and I get the same results.

 ping results for the MBL from server A:
 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics ---
 330 packets transmitted, 152 received, 53% packet loss, time 329555ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.208/0.273/0.650/0.048 ms

 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics from server B ---
 254 packets transmitted, 120 received, 52% packet loss, time 252998ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.196/0.264/2.499/0.206 ms


 ping results for  server A to B:
 --- 192.168.25.130 ping statistics ---
 340 packets transmitted, 340 received, 0% packet loss, time 338996ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.080/0.177/0.246/0.030 ms

 The device says gigabit Ethernet next to the Ethernet port. Is there
 any reason I can't connect a gigabit Ethernet device to a 100baseT network
 other than the obvious speed difference? Should I see all this packet 
 loss?
 This is actually the second unit I have tried - the first one acted the
 same way, so I took it back. I am now wondering if I am doing something
 wrong.


 Thanks!

 Mark

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Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Phillips
There is no network speed setting in the device to limit it to 100baseT.

The cable came with the device, and I have tried other cables and ports -
no difference.

top on the device shows a perl process eating up about 93% of the cpu every
now and then. I can't seem to capture it -
top - 14:54:16 up  2:47,  2 users,  load average: 1.05, 1.11, 1.09
Tasks:  93 total,   1 running,  92 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  0.3%us,  0.7%sy,  0.3%ni, 98.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
0.0%st
Mem:253632k total,   232896k used,20736k free,29184k buffers
Swap:   500608k total,30016k used,   470592k free,71808k cached

There is a firmware update avaialable, so I will run that and see if
anything improves. If not, then back to costco it goes!

Mark

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Mike Bydalek mike.byda...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like I said, I've seen auto-negotiation sometimes go wonky, even in the
 cases where ethtool reports correctly. If everything in your network is
 okay except this device, hard code it to 100/full through the web UI.

 I would say its your switch, but you tried different ports. How about the
 cable? Swap with a known good one.  Process of elimination here.

 Regards,
 Mike

 On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I was able to ssh into the MBL and it has ethtool installed -

 MyBookLive:~# ethtool eth0
 Settings for eth0:
 Supported ports: [ MII ]
 Supported link modes:   10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Full
 Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
 Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Full
 Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
 Speed: 100Mb/s
 Duplex: Full
 Port: MII
 PHYAD: 1
 Transceiver: external
 Auto-negotiation: on
 Link detected: yes
 MyBookLive:~#

 So, it should work on 100baeT. Any thoughts on why I am loosing so many
 packets?

 Mark

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 So I need to run this on the MLB?

 Mark
 On Jul 1, 2012 1:36 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 As such.  You need to use whatever eth device you have, of course.

 jmcphee@locus ~ :) $ sudo ethtool eth2
 Settings for eth2:
 Supported ports: [ TP MII ]
 Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
 Supported pause frame use: No
 Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
 Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
 Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only
 Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
 Link partner advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
 Link partner advertised pause frame use: Symmetric
 Link partner advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
 Speed: 100Mb/s
 Duplex: Full
 Port: MII
 PHYAD: 0
 Transceiver: internal
 Auto-negotiation: on
 Supports Wake-on: pumbg
 Wake-on: g
 Current message level: 0x0033 (51)
drv probe ifdown ifup
 Link detected: yes


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 How do I use ethtool to answer your question?

 Mark


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does ethtool tell you about what the interface thinks it is?

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I have a 100baseT network with several Debian servers, a mac book,
 and some virtual windows. I just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live
 (MBL) 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network. The unit is 
 just
 sitting with its green light on, and the web interface is really slow. 
 When
 I ping the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86% packet loss. If I
 ping any other computer on the network I have 0% packet loss. I have 
 tried
 moving the device to different physical plugs, and I get the same 
 results.

 ping results for the MBL from server A:
 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics ---
 330 packets transmitted, 152 received, 53% packet loss, time 329555ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.208/0.273/0.650/0.048 ms

 --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics from server B ---
 254 packets transmitted, 120 received, 52% packet loss, time 252998ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.196/0.264/2.499/0.206 ms


 ping results for  server A to B:
 --- 192.168.25.130 ping statistics ---
 340 packets transmitted, 340 received, 0% packet loss, time 338996ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.080/0.177/0.246/0.030 ms

Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Phillips
The device is now updating the firmware..and there are no packets lost
on pings to the device or pings from the device.

Mark

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote:

 Unless you have a managed switch, don't force negotiation, as it'll just
 cause the switch to run in 10base/half-duplex (lowest common denominator)
 when there is no negotiation advertised.  It's sitting in 100/full already,
 which is what you want.

 If you do ifconfig eth0, do you see any errors?  Collisions and CRC errors
 will stack if there is a negotiation problem.  Seems like either the switch
 or phy port on the mybook is wack, but doesn't make a lot of sense you'd
 lose that much anyways.  Try different switch port/cable if there are
 errors.

 Have you tried pinging from the mbl itself to the gateway or other hosts?
  Could be they have some kind of input iptables filter
 rate-limiting/shaping packets or some such, but unlikely.

 -mb



 On 07/01/2012 02:39 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 I was able to ssh into the MBL and it has ethtool installed -

 MyBookLive:~# ethtool eth0
 Settings for eth0:
  Supported ports: [ MII ]
  Supported link modes:   10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Full
  Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
  Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Full
  Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
  Speed: 100Mb/s
  Duplex: Full
  Port: MII
  PHYAD: 1
  Transceiver: external
  Auto-negotiation: on
  Link detected: yes
 MyBookLive:~#

 So, it should work on 100baeT. Any thoughts on why I am loosing so many
 packets?

 Mark

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz 
 mailto:mark@**phillipsmarketing.bizm...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 So I need to run this on the MLB?

 Mark

 On Jul 1, 2012 1:36 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com
 mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 As such.  You need to use whatever eth device you have, of course.

 jmcphee@locus ~ :) $ sudo ethtool eth2
 Settings for eth2:
  Supported ports: [ TP MII ]
  Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
  Supported pause frame use: No
  Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
  Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
  Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only
  Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
  Link partner advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half
 10baseT/Full
   100baseT/Half
 100baseT/Full
  Link partner advertised pause frame use: Symmetric
  Link partner advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
  Speed: 100Mb/s
  Duplex: Full
  Port: MII
  PHYAD: 0
  Transceiver: internal
  Auto-negotiation: on
  Supports Wake-on: pumbg
  Wake-on: g
  Current message level: 0x0033 (51)
 drv probe ifdown ifup
  Link detected: yes


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz 
 mailto:mark@**phillipsmarketing.bizm...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 

 wrote:

 How do I use ethtool to answer your question?

 Mark


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Mcphee
 jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does ethtool tell you about what the interface
 thinks it is?

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 
 mailto:mark@**phillipsmarketing.bizm...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I have a 100baseT network with several Debian
 servers, a mac book, and some virtual windows. I
 just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live (MBL)
 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network.
 The unit is just sitting with its green light on,
 and the web interface is really slow. When I ping
 the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86%
 packet loss. If I ping any other computer on the
 network I have 0% packet loss. I have tried moving
 the device to different physical plugs

Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet

2012-07-01 Thread Mark Phillips
Well, the update finished, but I am still getting over 50% packet loss when
I ping the device. I guess back to costco it goes.

Mark

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 The device is now updating the firmware..and there are no packets lost
 on pings to the device or pings from the device.

 Mark


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote:

 Unless you have a managed switch, don't force negotiation, as it'll just
 cause the switch to run in 10base/half-duplex (lowest common denominator)
 when there is no negotiation advertised.  It's sitting in 100/full already,
 which is what you want.

 If you do ifconfig eth0, do you see any errors?  Collisions and CRC
 errors will stack if there is a negotiation problem.  Seems like either the
 switch or phy port on the mybook is wack, but doesn't make a lot of sense
 you'd lose that much anyways.  Try different switch port/cable if there are
 errors.

 Have you tried pinging from the mbl itself to the gateway or other hosts?
  Could be they have some kind of input iptables filter
 rate-limiting/shaping packets or some such, but unlikely.

 -mb



 On 07/01/2012 02:39 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 I was able to ssh into the MBL and it has ethtool installed -

 MyBookLive:~# ethtool eth0
 Settings for eth0:
  Supported ports: [ MII ]
  Supported link modes:   10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Full
  Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
  Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Full
  Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
  Speed: 100Mb/s
  Duplex: Full
  Port: MII
  PHYAD: 1
  Transceiver: external
  Auto-negotiation: on
  Link detected: yes
 MyBookLive:~#

 So, it should work on 100baeT. Any thoughts on why I am loosing so many
 packets?

 Mark

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz 
 mailto:mark@**phillipsmarketing.bizm...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 So I need to run this on the MLB?

 Mark

 On Jul 1, 2012 1:36 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com
 mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 As such.  You need to use whatever eth device you have, of
 course.

 jmcphee@locus ~ :) $ sudo ethtool eth2
 Settings for eth2:
  Supported ports: [ TP MII ]
  Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
  Supported pause frame use: No
  Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
  Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
  100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
  1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
  Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only
  Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
  Link partner advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half
 10baseT/Full
   100baseT/Half
 100baseT/Full
  Link partner advertised pause frame use: Symmetric
  Link partner advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
  Speed: 100Mb/s
  Duplex: Full
  Port: MII
  PHYAD: 0
  Transceiver: internal
  Auto-negotiation: on
  Supports Wake-on: pumbg
  Wake-on: g
  Current message level: 0x0033 (51)
 drv probe ifdown ifup
  Link detected: yes


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz 
 mailto:mark@**phillipsmarketing.bizm...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 

 wrote:

 How do I use ethtool to answer your question?

 Mark


 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Mcphee
 jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does ethtool tell you about what the interface
 thinks it is?

 On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 
 mailto:mark@**phillipsmarketing.bizm...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I have a 100baseT network with several Debian
 servers, a mac book, and some virtual windows. I
 just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live (MBL)
 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network.
 The unit is just sitting with its green light on,
 and the web interface is really slow. When I ping
 the device, it shows somewhere

Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-28 Thread Mark Phillips
The results so far

running exim4, cups, apache2, openvpns, and ntp, resutled in
5349 packets transmitted, 5349 received, 0% packet loss, time 53480414ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.101/0.207/3.027/0.050 ms

So the problem is in one of these applications
mediatomb
mysql
nfs-common
mfs-kernel-server
rpcbind

I will set up a test tonight for these bad boys.

Mark

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Mark Phillips
m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 Rusty,

 I am running another test now, with the following services running

 exim4
 cups
 apache2
 openvpnas
 cups
 ntp

 I will keep you posted.

 Mark


 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Well, I had to ask J

 ** **

 I’d say its ‘divide and conquer time’ like I suggested earlier – enable
 half (approx) of the services and run the test.  If it passes, turn those
 off and then turn on the other half, rerun test.  If it passes, life gets
 hard, and I’m going to ignore that possibility for now!  Whichever test
 fails, repeat the above with that reduced set of services.

 ** **

 If both halves pass, then there is some interaction between the services,
 and it’s not so easy as divide and conquer.   (but of course, if a service
 depends upon another one to be fully functional (apache and mysql are
 likely examples) then you’ll have to keep those services together till the
 bitter end (as it were)).

 ** **

 However, there is still hope someone here has another idea…

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:12 AM

 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

 ** **

 Rusty,

 The test was run from 11 PM to 7 AM, so no one in my house was doing
 anything but sawing logs, as far as I know. Yes, teenagers tend to stay up
 late, but I would have heard the tv. I don't think any of the other
 machines are really doing anything at that time as well.

 I don't think anyone is using my wifiI have a 64 character key for
 AES and mac address filter for security. Yes, I know one can eaily spoof
 the mac address thing, but it keeps some out. I also have not seen anything
 strange in the logs.

 Rsync is a good idea, but I agree - fragile, lots to set up, but maybe
 worth a thought if nfs tends to be the problem. Maybe a script to check if
 a local folder has changed, and then rsync it

 Mark

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Well, NFS server is less likely (I think!) to cause momentary freezes
 than the client, but samba MIGHT be an idea.  Hopefully someone else here
 has more experience with the server side of things, or maybe google would
 help.

  

 On the upload video thing – if you wanted to go to a lot of work, you
 could put directories on each computer that periodically get rsync’d (or
 whatever) to the server, so that the family members only need to copy the
 movie to the directory on their machine and it will automatically get
 copied across.  But that may be more work and fragility than you want J
 (and might make you more expendable!).  but that could get rid of nfs or
 samba or any such thing.  Probably not worth doing if NFS isn’t’ the issue
 J, so I’d say turn on half the processes and see what happens, as I
 mentioned before..

  

 Thinking about the system for a bit – first the schedule of when things
 freeze.  Does it line up with anything being done on the client machines?
 On the TV? What ‘absolute time’ (wall clock time) were those 38 incidents
 at?  (If clients do something every 30 minutes, and they are out of sync
 with each other, that might explain the variability of the hiccup timing)
 

  

 Going a bit further afield: Have you verified that nobody is using your
 wifi for any nefarious purposes?  

  

 Just some random thoughts…

  

 Rusty

  

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 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:47 AM


 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

  

 I only installed nfs because I started to use this server as a media
 server, and I wanted my family to be able to add movies to the movie folder
 on the server. Mediatomb then scans the folder and makes the movies
 available on our nifty wifi enabled TV. 


 Would samba be a better choice? The other computers on the network are
 mac, windows, ubuntu. However, the windoes user has a low probability of
 adding any movies by herself;) (no gender bashing here.I live with
 four wonderful women, and one of them is a complete techo-phobe, and she is
 proud of it.but that helps keep me around, so all is good with the
 world).

 Mark

Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-27 Thread Mark Phillips
Some more pieces to the puzzle...

I ran the same ping test last night (laptop to server), but stopped the
following services on the server:
apache2
exim4
mediatomb
mysql
nfs-kernel-server
nfs-common
openvpnas
cups
ntp
rpcbind

And there were no packets lost!

2802 packets transmitted, 2802 received, 0% packet loss, time 28010243ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.063/0.157/0.319/0.033 ms

This is all that was running:
USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root 1  0.0  0.0   2036   736 ?Ss   Jun25   0:01 init [2]
root 2  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kthreadd]
root 3  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[migration/0]
root 4  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[ksoftirqd/0]
root 5  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[watchdog/0]
root 6  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [events/0]
root 7  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [cpuset]
root 8  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [khelper]
root 9  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [netns]
root10  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [async/mgr]
root11  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [pm]
root12  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[sync_supers]
root13  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[bdi-default]
root14  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[kintegrityd/0]
root15  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kblockd/0]
root16  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kacpid]
root17  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[kacpi_notify]
root18  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[kacpi_hotplug]
root19  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kseriod]
root21  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[kondemand/0]
root22  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[khungtaskd]
root23  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kswapd0]
root24  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SN   Jun25   0:00 [ksmd]
root25  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [aio/0]
root26  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [crypto/0]
root   154  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
[ksuspend_usbd]
root   155  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [khubd]
root   157  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [ata/0]

So, perhaps I don't have a hardware problem, but a software problem?

Mark

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about pings from the server? Also my paranoia about this would have
 me checking the arp tables to see if the ip address is getting
 mis-somethinged. Also see if uou can make a task that will wrife to a file
 once every qp sex and see if the server is falling asleep or if it is
 network related.  It may be nic or switch for example.
 On Jun 26, 2012 7:42 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 My ping test is not what I expected but still shows a problem.

 I setup the test to ping (64 bytes, ttl =64) the problem server every 10
 seconds from my laptop. Both are plugged in, on the same subnet. The boxes
 are about 5 feet apart. Here are the results:

 3434 packets transmitted, 3307 received, 3% packet loss, time 34336321ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.100/0.231/4.332/0.275 ms

 I found 38 instances where the time stamps for the pings hiccuped and
 there was a delay. Each hiccup lasted (min/avg/max) 10/44/70 seconds. The
 time between hiccups was (min/avg/max) 1:20/14:29/29:00 minutes.

 I grep'd the log files for messages around these 38 incidents, but did
 not find any messages in any of the logs. However this is not a good test,
 so I just trolled the logs and didn't find anything significant.

 Do these numbers strike a chord with anyone?

 I will check the caps on the MB later this week.

 I looked in syslog, and could not find any correlation with the 38
 hiccups. However, what do these two cron jobs do, since the run quite
 frequently:
 CMD (   cd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
 CMD (  [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ]  [ -d /var/lib/php5 ]  find
 /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -delete)

 A search through the log files for error does not return anything
 interesting.

 Since apache and few other apps were running on the server, I will run
 the ping test again tonight after I kill everything on the server.

 Thanks!

 Mark

 On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Curious how your test turned out.

 ** **

 You may also want to run an iostat to a file and see if that correlates
 to the slow responses.

 ** **

 However, that ‘bulging capacitor’ thing others have

Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-27 Thread Mark Phillips
Stephen,

Great ideas...more tests for the morning!

Mark
On Jun 26, 2012 9:02 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about pings from the server? Also my paranoia about this would have
 me checking the arp tables to see if the ip address is getting
 mis-somethinged. Also see if uou can make a task that will wrife to a file
 once every qp sex and see if the server is falling asleep or if it is
 network related.  It may be nic or switch for example.
 On Jun 26, 2012 7:42 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 My ping test is not what I expected but still shows a problem.

 I setup the test to ping (64 bytes, ttl =64) the problem server every 10
 seconds from my laptop. Both are plugged in, on the same subnet. The boxes
 are about 5 feet apart. Here are the results:

 3434 packets transmitted, 3307 received, 3% packet loss, time 34336321ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.100/0.231/4.332/0.275 ms

 I found 38 instances where the time stamps for the pings hiccuped and
 there was a delay. Each hiccup lasted (min/avg/max) 10/44/70 seconds. The
 time between hiccups was (min/avg/max) 1:20/14:29/29:00 minutes.

 I grep'd the log files for messages around these 38 incidents, but did
 not find any messages in any of the logs. However this is not a good test,
 so I just trolled the logs and didn't find anything significant.

 Do these numbers strike a chord with anyone?

 I will check the caps on the MB later this week.

 I looked in syslog, and could not find any correlation with the 38
 hiccups. However, what do these two cron jobs do, since the run quite
 frequently:
 CMD (   cd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
 CMD (  [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ]  [ -d /var/lib/php5 ]  find
 /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -delete)

 A search through the log files for error does not return anything
 interesting.

 Since apache and few other apps were running on the server, I will run
 the ping test again tonight after I kill everything on the server.

 Thanks!

 Mark

 On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Curious how your test turned out.

 ** **

 You may also want to run an iostat to a file and see if that correlates
 to the slow responses.

 ** **

 However, that ‘bulging capacitor’ thing others have mentioned sounds
 like a pretty convincing coincidence, as it were….

 ** **

 (I will say that USUALLY I’d agree with JD – Iobound or low RAM (and
 thus iobound on swap space) are the only things I’ve seen that cause
 unresponsiveness (never seen an overheat slow it down, usually it just dies
 suddenly.  I probably get fast overheating and not slow increases in heat
 levels J)

 ** **

 OH!  WAIT!  I just remembered another event – and it WON’T show up in
 normal performance logs.  If ‘you’ send a command to a disk drive, and it
 goes busy for a long time, your system can become totally locked until the
 timeout happens and the kernel gives up.  (If that happens, there SHOULD be
 a timeout recorded in the syslog or /var/log/messages.  Check there for
 timeouts on disk drives or hard resets or such).  (I know this because of
 where I work J)  (Disk drives are supposed to acknowledge the command
 almost immediately.  It is almost always a bad thing when the drive takes
 the command but does not finish the initial command handshake sequence…
 You might want to look at the S.M.A.R.T. attributes for your drives as well
 to see if any of them are showing ‘pre-fail’ conditions)

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2012 10:13 PM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

 ** **

 Right now, the server is not doing anything but sitting there

 Tasks:  98 total,   1 running,  97 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
 Cpu(s):  0.0%us,  0.3%sy,  0.0%ni, 99.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
 0.0%st
 Mem:   1033780k total,   217560k used,   816220k free, 6220k buffers
 Swap:  2019320k total,0k used,  2019320k free,94056k cached

 Plenty of swap, not very busy. It may be over heating, but not sure why.

 I am going to run a test tonight - ping every 10 seconds and time stamp
 the output into a file. Perhaps I will see gaps or unusually long response
 times and I can correlate that with the log files.

 Mark

 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, JD Austin  j...@twingeckos.com
 wrote:

 I've had servers that act like that.. usually they're over heating,
 completely I/O bound, or swapping due to low available memory. 

 ** **

 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 Nope - everything just stops - ping waits for a response, web services
 just wait for the server, file transfers stop and wait...as if time
 just stopped for the server, then starts

Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-27 Thread Mark Phillips
I only installed nfs because I started to use this server as a media
server, and I wanted my family to be able to add movies to the movie folder
on the server. Mediatomb then scans the folder and makes the movies
available on our nifty wifi enabled TV.

Would samba be a better choice? The other computers on the network are mac,
windows, ubuntu. However, the windoes user has a low probability of adding
any movies by herself;) (no gender bashing here.I live with four
wonderful women, and one of them is a complete techo-phobe, and she is
proud of it.but that helps keep me around, so all is good with the
world).

Mark

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Personal guesses, YMMV, YKWYPFI (you know what you paid for it), etc:

 ** **

 If you don’t need NFS, leave it off.  When I saw it in  there I thought –
 oh, my.  For NFS clients, I know you can freeze a system when the server
 goes unresponsive.  Or I think I know that J

 ** **

 Of all those things, are there any you are NOT using?

 ** **

 Besides the ping test mentioned earlier, I suppose you could start
 dividing and conquering (turn back on half the items below, run the test.
 If passes, run the other half to verify that the mix of the other half will
 fail, THEN split the failing half in half and repeat).

 ** **

 I can’t recall if I’ve ever seen a hung printer hang cups enough to hang
 the entire system.  It will hang printing, of course, but…

 ** **

 In any case, yes it sounds like some sort of hw/sw interaction or maybe
 just sw.

 ** **

 Good luck, Mr Phelps!  ;-)

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:51 AM

 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

 ** **

 Some more pieces to the puzzle...


 I ran the same ping test last night (laptop to server), but stopped the
 following services on the server:
 apache2
 exim4
 mediatomb
 mysql
 nfs-kernel-server
 nfs-common
 openvpnas
 cups
 ntp
 rpcbind

 And there were no packets lost!

 2802 packets transmitted, 2802 received, 0% packet loss, time 28010243ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.063/0.157/0.319/0.033 ms

 This is all that was running:
 USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
 root 1  0.0  0.0   2036   736 ?Ss   Jun25   0:01 init [2]
 root 2  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kthreadd]
 root 3  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [migration/0]
 root 4  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [ksoftirqd/0]
 root 5  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [watchdog/0]
 root 6  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [events/0]
 root 7  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [cpuset]
 root 8  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [khelper]
 root 9  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [netns]
 root10  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [async/mgr]
 root11  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [pm]
 root12  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [sync_supers]
 root13  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [bdi-default]
 root14  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [kintegrityd/0]
 root15  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [kblockd/0]
 root16  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kacpid]
 root17  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [kacpi_notify]
 root18  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [kacpi_hotplug]
 root19  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kseriod]
 root21  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [kondemand/0]
 root22  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [khungtaskd]
 root23  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [kswapd0]
 root24  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SN   Jun25   0:00 [ksmd]
 root25  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [aio/0]
 root26  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [crypto/0]
 root   154  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00
 [ksuspend_usbd]
 root   155  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [khubd]
 root   157  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?SJun25   0:00 [ata/0]

 So, perhaps I don't have a hardware problem, but a software problem?

 Mark 

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Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-27 Thread Mark Phillips
Rusty,

The test was run from 11 PM to 7 AM, so no one in my house was doing
anything but sawing logs, as far as I know. Yes, teenagers tend to stay up
late, but I would have heard the tv. I don't think any of the other
machines are really doing anything at that time as well.

I don't think anyone is using my wifiI have a 64 character key for AES
and mac address filter for security. Yes, I know one can eaily spoof the
mac address thing, but it keeps some out. I also have not seen anything
strange in the logs.

Rsync is a good idea, but I agree - fragile, lots to set up, but maybe
worth a thought if nfs tends to be the problem. Maybe a script to check if
a local folder has changed, and then rsync it

Mark

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Well, NFS server is less likely (I think!) to cause momentary freezes than
 the client, but samba MIGHT be an idea.  Hopefully someone else here has
 more experience with the server side of things, or maybe google would help.
 

 ** **

 On the upload video thing – if you wanted to go to a lot of work, you
 could put directories on each computer that periodically get rsync’d (or
 whatever) to the server, so that the family members only need to copy the
 movie to the directory on their machine and it will automatically get
 copied across.  But that may be more work and fragility than you want J
 (and might make you more expendable!).  but that could get rid of nfs or
 samba or any such thing.  Probably not worth doing if NFS isn’t’ the issue
 J, so I’d say turn on half the processes and see what happens, as I
 mentioned before..

 ** **

 Thinking about the system for a bit – first the schedule of when things
 freeze.  Does it line up with anything being done on the client machines?
 On the TV? What ‘absolute time’ (wall clock time) were those 38 incidents
 at?  (If clients do something every 30 minutes, and they are out of sync
 with each other, that might explain the variability of the hiccup timing)*
 ***

 ** **

 Going a bit further afield: Have you verified that nobody is using your
 wifi for any nefarious purposes?  

 ** **

 Just some random thoughts…

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:47 AM

 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

 ** **

 I only installed nfs because I started to use this server as a media
 server, and I wanted my family to be able to add movies to the movie folder
 on the server. Mediatomb then scans the folder and makes the movies
 available on our nifty wifi enabled TV.

 Would samba be a better choice? The other computers on the network are
 mac, windows, ubuntu. However, the windoes user has a low probability of
 adding any movies by herself;) (no gender bashing here.I live with
 four wonderful women, and one of them is a complete techo-phobe, and she is
 proud of it.but that helps keep me around, so all is good with the
 world).

 Mark 

 ** **

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Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-27 Thread Mark Phillips
Rusty,

I am running another test now, with the following services running

exim4
cups
apache2
openvpnas
cups
ntp

I will keep you posted.

Mark

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Well, I had to ask J

 ** **

 I’d say its ‘divide and conquer time’ like I suggested earlier – enable
 half (approx) of the services and run the test.  If it passes, turn those
 off and then turn on the other half, rerun test.  If it passes, life gets
 hard, and I’m going to ignore that possibility for now!  Whichever test
 fails, repeat the above with that reduced set of services.

 ** **

 If both halves pass, then there is some interaction between the services,
 and it’s not so easy as divide and conquer.   (but of course, if a service
 depends upon another one to be fully functional (apache and mysql are
 likely examples) then you’ll have to keep those services together till the
 bitter end (as it were)).

 ** **

 However, there is still hope someone here has another idea…

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:12 AM

 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

 ** **

 Rusty,

 The test was run from 11 PM to 7 AM, so no one in my house was doing
 anything but sawing logs, as far as I know. Yes, teenagers tend to stay up
 late, but I would have heard the tv. I don't think any of the other
 machines are really doing anything at that time as well.

 I don't think anyone is using my wifiI have a 64 character key for AES
 and mac address filter for security. Yes, I know one can eaily spoof the
 mac address thing, but it keeps some out. I also have not seen anything
 strange in the logs.

 Rsync is a good idea, but I agree - fragile, lots to set up, but maybe
 worth a thought if nfs tends to be the problem. Maybe a script to check if
 a local folder has changed, and then rsync it

 Mark

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Well, NFS server is less likely (I think!) to cause momentary freezes than
 the client, but samba MIGHT be an idea.  Hopefully someone else here has
 more experience with the server side of things, or maybe google would help.
 

  

 On the upload video thing – if you wanted to go to a lot of work, you
 could put directories on each computer that periodically get rsync’d (or
 whatever) to the server, so that the family members only need to copy the
 movie to the directory on their machine and it will automatically get
 copied across.  But that may be more work and fragility than you want J
 (and might make you more expendable!).  but that could get rid of nfs or
 samba or any such thing.  Probably not worth doing if NFS isn’t’ the issue
 J, so I’d say turn on half the processes and see what happens, as I
 mentioned before..

  

 Thinking about the system for a bit – first the schedule of when things
 freeze.  Does it line up with anything being done on the client machines?
 On the TV? What ‘absolute time’ (wall clock time) were those 38 incidents
 at?  (If clients do something every 30 minutes, and they are out of sync
 with each other, that might explain the variability of the hiccup timing)*
 ***

  

 Going a bit further afield: Have you verified that nobody is using your
 wifi for any nefarious purposes?  

  

 Just some random thoughts…

  

 Rusty

  

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:47 AM


 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

  

 I only installed nfs because I started to use this server as a media
 server, and I wanted my family to be able to add movies to the movie folder
 on the server. Mediatomb then scans the folder and makes the movies
 available on our nifty wifi enabled TV. 


 Would samba be a better choice? The other computers on the network are
 mac, windows, ubuntu. However, the windoes user has a low probability of
 adding any movies by herself;) (no gender bashing here.I live with
 four wonderful women, and one of them is a complete techo-phobe, and she is
 proud of it.but that helps keep me around, so all is good with the
 world).

 Mark 

  


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Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-26 Thread Mark Phillips
My ping test is not what I expected but still shows a problem.

I setup the test to ping (64 bytes, ttl =64) the problem server every 10
seconds from my laptop. Both are plugged in, on the same subnet. The boxes
are about 5 feet apart. Here are the results:

3434 packets transmitted, 3307 received, 3% packet loss, time 34336321ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.100/0.231/4.332/0.275 ms

I found 38 instances where the time stamps for the pings hiccuped and
there was a delay. Each hiccup lasted (min/avg/max) 10/44/70 seconds. The
time between hiccups was (min/avg/max) 1:20/14:29/29:00 minutes.

I grep'd the log files for messages around these 38 incidents, but did not
find any messages in any of the logs. However this is not a good test, so I
just trolled the logs and didn't find anything significant.

Do these numbers strike a chord with anyone?

I will check the caps on the MB later this week.

I looked in syslog, and could not find any correlation with the 38 hiccups.
However, what do these two cron jobs do, since the run quite frequently:
CMD (   cd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
CMD (  [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ]  [ -d /var/lib/php5 ]  find
/var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -delete)

A search through the log files for error does not return anything
interesting.

Since apache and few other apps were running on the server, I will run the
ping test again tonight after I kill everything on the server.

Thanks!

Mark

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Curious how your test turned out.

 ** **

 You may also want to run an iostat to a file and see if that correlates to
 the slow responses.

 ** **

 However, that ‘bulging capacitor’ thing others have mentioned sounds like
 a pretty convincing coincidence, as it were….

 ** **

 (I will say that USUALLY I’d agree with JD – Iobound or low RAM (and thus
 iobound on swap space) are the only things I’ve seen that cause
 unresponsiveness (never seen an overheat slow it down, usually it just dies
 suddenly.  I probably get fast overheating and not slow increases in heat
 levels J)

 ** **

 OH!  WAIT!  I just remembered another event – and it WON’T show up in
 normal performance logs.  If ‘you’ send a command to a disk drive, and it
 goes busy for a long time, your system can become totally locked until the
 timeout happens and the kernel gives up.  (If that happens, there SHOULD be
 a timeout recorded in the syslog or /var/log/messages.  Check there for
 timeouts on disk drives or hard resets or such).  (I know this because of
 where I work J)  (Disk drives are supposed to acknowledge the command
 almost immediately.  It is almost always a bad thing when the drive takes
 the command but does not finish the initial command handshake sequence…
 You might want to look at the S.M.A.R.T. attributes for your drives as well
 to see if any of them are showing ‘pre-fail’ conditions)

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark
 Phillips
 *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2012 10:13 PM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior

 ** **

 Right now, the server is not doing anything but sitting there

 Tasks:  98 total,   1 running,  97 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
 Cpu(s):  0.0%us,  0.3%sy,  0.0%ni, 99.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
 0.0%st
 Mem:   1033780k total,   217560k used,   816220k free, 6220k buffers
 Swap:  2019320k total,0k used,  2019320k free,94056k cached

 Plenty of swap, not very busy. It may be over heating, but not sure why.

 I am going to run a test tonight - ping every 10 seconds and time stamp
 the output into a file. Perhaps I will see gaps or unusually long response
 times and I can correlate that with the log files.

 Mark

 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, JD Austin  j...@twingeckos.com wrote:*
 ***

 I've had servers that act like that.. usually they're over heating,
 completely I/O bound, or swapping due to low available memory. 

 ** **

 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 Nope - everything just stops - ping waits for a response, web services
 just wait for the server, file transfers stop and wait...as if time
 just stopped for the server, then starts again without any errors being
 evident.

 Mark

 ** **

 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Stephen   wrote:

 Can you do access any other services hosted by the server during this
 time? Or even an extended ping?

 On Jun 25, 2012 9:53 PM, Mark Phillips   wrote:

 I have a headless server running Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian
 2.6.32-45) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) and no
 X or window manager, and I have noticed in the past couple of days that
 when I ssh in the server it occasionally stops responding

Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-25 Thread Mark Phillips
I have a headless server running Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian
2.6.32-45) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) and no X
or window manager, and I have noticed in the past couple of days that when
I ssh in the server it occasionally stops responding for a minute or two,
then comes back as if nothing had happened. It is a random event - maybe
once an hour. I cannot find anything in the logs - no error messages. There
is nothing wrong with the machine where I initiated the ssh session, and it
is not connected to ssh. The server completely stops responding, then comes
back as if nothing had happened.

How would I go about diagnosing this problem?

Thanks,

Mark
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Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-25 Thread Mark Phillips
Nope - everything just stops - ping waits for a response, web services just
wait for the server, file transfers stop and wait...as if time just
stopped for the server, then starts again without any errors being evident.

Mark

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you do access any other services hosted by the server during this
 time? Or even an extended ping?
 On Jun 25, 2012 9:53 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I have a headless server running Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian
 2.6.32-45) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) and no
 X or window manager, and I have noticed in the past couple of days that
 when I ssh in the server it occasionally stops responding for a minute or
 two, then comes back as if nothing had happened. It is a random event -
 maybe once an hour. I cannot find anything in the logs - no error messages.
 There is nothing wrong with the machine where I initiated the ssh session,
 and it is not connected to ssh. The server completely stops responding,
 then comes back as if nothing had happened.

 How would I go about diagnosing this problem?

 Thanks,

 Mark

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Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-25 Thread Mark Phillips
Bare metal - an old Dell Optiplex GX260.

Mark

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it a VPS or on bare metal? I've experienced similar behavior on VPSs,
 still not sure why,

 Eric


 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 Nope - everything just stops - ping waits for a response, web services
 just wait for the server, file transfers stop and wait...as if time
 just stopped for the server, then starts again without any errors being
 evident.

 Mark


 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you do access any other services hosted by the server during this
 time? Or even an extended ping?
 On Jun 25, 2012 9:53 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I have a headless server running Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian
 2.6.32-45) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) and
 no X or window manager, and I have noticed in the past couple of days that
 when I ssh in the server it occasionally stops responding for a minute or
 two, then comes back as if nothing had happened. It is a random event -
 maybe once an hour. I cannot find anything in the logs - no error messages.
 There is nothing wrong with the machine where I initiated the ssh session,
 and it is not connected to ssh. The server completely stops responding,
 then comes back as if nothing had happened.

 How would I go about diagnosing this problem?

 Thanks,

 Mark

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Re: Strange Server Behavior

2012-06-25 Thread Mark Phillips
Right now, the server is not doing anything but sitting there

Tasks:  98 total,   1 running,  97 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  0.0%us,  0.3%sy,  0.0%ni, 99.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
0.0%st
Mem:   1033780k total,   217560k used,   816220k free, 6220k buffers
Swap:  2019320k total,0k used,  2019320k free,94056k cached

Plenty of swap, not very busy. It may be over heating, but not sure why.

I am going to run a test tonight - ping every 10 seconds and time stamp the
output into a file. Perhaps I will see gaps or unusually long response
times and I can correlate that with the log files.

Mark

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:

 I've had servers that act like that.. usually they're over heating,
 completely I/O bound, or swapping due to low available memory.

 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 Nope - everything just stops - ping waits for a response, web services
 just wait for the server, file transfers stop and wait...as if time
 just stopped for the server, then starts again without any errors being
 evident.

 Mark


 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you do access any other services hosted by the server during this
 time? Or even an extended ping?
 On Jun 25, 2012 9:53 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I have a headless server running Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian
 2.6.32-45) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) and
 no X or window manager, and I have noticed in the past couple of days that
 when I ssh in the server it occasionally stops responding for a minute or
 two, then comes back as if nothing had happened. It is a random event -
 maybe once an hour. I cannot find anything in the logs - no error messages.
 There is nothing wrong with the machine where I initiated the ssh session,
 and it is not connected to ssh. The server completely stops responding,
 then comes back as if nothing had happened.

 How would I go about diagnosing this problem?

 Thanks,

 Mark

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Re: OT Verizon Smart Phones

2012-06-24 Thread Mark Phillips
As a point of comparison, t-mobile offers an unlimited voice, text, and
data plan for 2 phones for $140/month. Unlimited data means 2 gb at 4g
speeds, and if you exceed that, they just throttle you back to 2g at no
additional charge. They have lots of good android smart phones available
(no iphones). I have had 4 phones with then for many many years, and I keep
renewing every 2 years.

Don't go to a franchise store unless you know it is a good one. Go to a
corporate store for best service.

Mark
On Jun 23, 2012 8:42 PM, Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net wrote:

  We have two Verizon HTC Thunderbolts - new in Feb 2011.

 $174/month, unlimited everything.voice, text, data...'

 Have never had it freeze; rebooted on its own once but I think that was an
 update.

 Worst problem is battery life.very short, even with larger battery.
 One day will go all day, next day need to charge twice in one day - low
 usage.go figure.

 Did you know verizon has a box that will serve as your phone?  $20/mo
 unlimited calls in/out..it received via cell signal and you plug your
 phone into it.and US Cellular has a small deck of cards, only half as
 thick Samsung hot spot$25 for up to 2 gig of data/month

 I learned the above after bad storm left sis-in-law without phone or
 internet for 4 days..guess what she has now!!?


 At 02:12 PM 6/22/2012, James Dugger wrote:

 I have been with Verizion ever since our other carrirer was buoght by them
 in the mid nineties.  I have had a Driod and currently have a Droid X.  I
 can't really compare the difference between carriers in dropped calls but
 we get are share of dropped calls as well.  My wife and son have the
 iphone 4s and love it.  My wife had an older Droid and it used to drop
 calls more than here iphone.  Having used both (my wife's iphone and my
 Droid X) my comparison would be as follows:

 Screen Freeze
 Droid - this happens quite often on both the older and newer Droids
 (though not as much on the X)
 iphone - rarely freezes.

 Keyboard key selection
 Droid - They both struggle (especially in the portrait keyboard) to pick
 the correct letter/number.
 iphone - Even with fat fingers it is uncanny to me how the portrait
 keyboard can still seem to pick the right letter/number

 Text completion
 Droid - Okay
 iphone - Great slightly faster

 Animatromics (screen responsiveness)
 Droid - slight hesitancy at times
 iphone - smooth and quick

 I have no experience with HTC however my brother has the Samsung Nexus II
 through Version and says that it runs circles around his old Droid, and is
 much closer to the iphone with respect to hardware responsiveness and
 features.

 Since the versions of OS Android is somewhat splintered across different
 devices, there are a couple of other points to consider if an android phone
 is your preferred choice:
 Google owns Android and Motorola ( Droid ), but Nexus is a Google
 sponsored partnership program for application and hardware development for
 the official release version of Android by Google.  Currently Samsung is
 the Nexus partner.Â

 This may have changed and I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that
 anything Android with the Nexus name is part of this partnership with
 Google.

 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:


 Android brutally fc's inactive apparently to free space before that goes.
 On Jun 22, 2012 9:59 AM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thats interesting to hear about not rebooting? Maybe the tide is
 changing. Someone I carpool with is also constantly having to close apps
 because the phone is out of memory. Does anyone else experience this?

 I think the iPhone forces stale apps out of memory automatically (I never
 get an out of memory notice). Can anyone comment on that?

 Eric

 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I forgot.

 On a rooted phone there is an app that will backup your root so you can
 switch root on and off easily so you can do some root only tasks and then
 unroot for day to day.

 Its called voodoo ota rootkeeper
 On Jun 22, 2012 8:46 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Hi,

 This is very OT.

 I have been with verizon for 8 years.  Voice only.  It has been 4 years
 since I upgraded our phones.  It is just my wife and I.Â

 We are thinking of going with smart phones.

 A friend suggested HTC phones because of the better quality of speaker and
 mic.  Voice quality is very important to me.Â

 As it stands we can get unlimited voice for  $120/mo, 1000 texts for
 $10/mo and 2G of data for each phone for $20/ea/mo.  Total is about
 $170/mo + tax and fees.Â

 I like verizon because they have always provided top of the line service.

 I've briefly looked at Straigt-Talk, T-Mobile, and Sprint.  My fear with
 these providers is quality of the call, availability, and dropped calls.

 Any suggestions on which phone to get?  From prior conversations on this
 list it seems a Droid 

Re: OT Verizon Smart Phones

2012-06-24 Thread Mark Phillips
You can check coverage at http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx (drill
down to the street level).

My personal experience

Seattle - great
Phoenix, Scottsdale, Mesa, Chandler, etc. - great
Payson - 4G - I loose connectivity in the mountains on the way to Payson
Pinetop/Lakeside/Show Low - 2G/4G roaming - depends on location
Greater LA - great
SF and Bay Area - great
Northern Idaho camping near the Canadian border - no coverage...ATT has
some coverage in this area!
Driving to Tucson - no loss of signal as far as I remember. Tucson has
great coverage

YMMV

Mark

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 What about service - like out in rural areas.  Between here and Tucson.  I
 like T-Mobile's plan and price points, however I am concerned about
 coverage.

 Please share your thoughts.

 Thanks!

 
 Keith Smith

 --- On *Sun, 6/24/12, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz* wrote:


 From: Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz

 Subject: Re: OT Verizon Smart Phones
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Sunday, June 24, 2012, 9:22 AM


 As a point of comparison, t-mobile offers an unlimited voice, text, and
 data plan for 2 phones for $140/month. Unlimited data means 2 gb at 4g
 speeds, and if you exceed that, they just throttle you back to 2g at no
 additional charge. They have lots of good android smart phones available
 (no iphones). I have had 4 phones with then for many many years, and I keep
 renewing every 2 years.

 Don't go to a franchise store unless you know it is a good one. Go to a
 corporate store for best service.

 Mark
 On Jun 23, 2012 8:42 PM, Lyle Tuttle 
 l.tut...@cox.nethttp://mc/compose?to=l.tut...@cox.net
 wrote:

  We have two Verizon HTC Thunderbolts - new in Feb 2011.

 $174/month, unlimited everything.voice, text, data...'

 Have never had it freeze; rebooted on its own once but I think that was an
 update.

 Worst problem is battery life.very short, even with larger battery.
 One day will go all day, next day need to charge twice in one day - low
 usage.go figure.

 Did you know verizon has a box that will serve as your phone?  $20/mo
 unlimited calls in/out..it received via cell signal and you plug your
 phone into it.and US Cellular has a small deck of cards, only half as
 thick Samsung hot spot$25 for up to 2 gig of data/month

 I learned the above after bad storm left sis-in-law without phone or
 internet for 4 days..guess what she has now!!?


 At 02:12 PM 6/22/2012, James Dugger wrote:

 I have been with Verizion ever since our other carrirer was buoght by them
 in the mid nineties.  I have had a Driod and currently have a Droid X.  I
 can't really compare the difference between carriers in dropped calls but
 we get are share of dropped calls as well.  My wife and son have the
 iphone 4s and love it.  My wife had an older Droid and it used to drop
 calls more than here iphone.  Having used both (my wife's iphone and my
 Droid X) my comparison would be as follows:

 Screen Freeze
 Droid - this happens quite often on both the older and newer Droids
 (though not as much on the X)
 iphone - rarely freezes.

 Keyboard key selection
 Droid - They both struggle (especially in the portrait keyboard) to pick
 the correct letter/number.
 iphone - Even with fat fingers it is uncanny to me how the portrait
 keyboard can still seem to pick the right letter/number

 Text completion
 Droid - Okay
 iphone - Great slightly faster

 Animatromics (screen responsiveness)
 Droid - slight hesitancy at times
 iphone - smooth and quick

 I have no experience with HTC however my brother has the Samsung Nexus II
 through Version and says that it runs circles around his old Droid, and is
 much closer to the iphone with respect to hardware responsiveness and
 features.

 Since the versions of OS Android is somewhat splintered across different
 devices, there are a couple of other points to consider if an android phone
 is your preferred choice:
 Google owns Android and Motorola ( Droid ), but Nexus is a Google
 sponsored partnership program for application and hardware development for
 the official release version of Android by Google.  Currently Samsung is
 the Nexus partner.Â

 This may have changed and I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that
 anything Android with the Nexus name is part of this partnership with
 Google.

 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Stephen 
 cryptwo...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=cryptwo...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Android brutally fc's inactive apparently to free space before that goes.
 On Jun 22, 2012 9:59 AM, Eric Cope 
 eric.c...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=eric.c...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Thats interesting to hear about not rebooting? Maybe the tide is
 changing. Someone I carpool with is also constantly having to close apps
 because the phone is out of memory. Does anyone else experience this?

 I think the iPhone forces

Need Help setting up a VPN Connection to my LAN

2012-06-24 Thread Mark Phillips
I need to take my laptop on several road trips, and I need to connect back
to my home office LAN - all Debian machines. I am on COX cable with a
BEFSX41 router. The BEFSX41 has a VPN option that I have never used. What
do I need to add to my laptop (Debian) to talk to my home office LAN
securely (ie through a VPN) using my BEFSX41? Obviously, I am a complete
nube when it comes to setting up VPN access to my LAN. I have googled for
some recommendations, but I have not found a good reference to follow.

Thanks,

Mark
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Re: Need Help setting up a VPN Connection to my LAN

2012-06-24 Thread Mark Phillips
 on
the other end of the tunnel.

*Status*- This will shows if you are connected or disconnected from the
other end of the VPN tunnel.

*Connect/Disconnect*- This button will connect or disconnect  the other end
of the VPN tunnel.

*View Log*- This will show you the VPN activity when connecting and
disconnecting.



Advanced Settings

Phase 1 is used to create a Security Association (SA), often called the IKE
SA. After Phase 1 is completed, Phase 2 is used to create one or more IPSec
SAs, which are then used to key IPSec sessions.

Operation Mode
MainThis is for normal operation and is more secure.AggressiveThis is
faster and less secure.UsernameSome require username to establish a VPN
connection.


EncryptionSelect the length of the key used to encrypt/decrypt ESP packets.
There are two choices: DES and 3DES. 3DES is recommended for security.
AuthenticationSelect the method used to authenticate ESP packets. There are
two choices: MD5 and SHA.  SHA is recommended for security.GroupThere are
two Diffie-Hellman Groups to choice from: 768-bit and 1024-bit.
Diffie-Hellman refers to a cryptographic technique that uses public and
private keys for encryption and decryption.Key LifetimeEnter a number of
seconds for the life of the key.After the key lifetime expires, a new code
will be generated. This much be the same for both end of the tunnel.

*Phase 2*
GroupThere are two Diffie-Hellman Groups to choice from: 768-bit and
1024-bit. Diffie-Hellman refers to a cryptographic technique that uses
public and private keys for encryption and decryption.Key LifetimeEnter a
number of seconds for the life of the key.After the key lifetime expires, a
new code will be generated. This much be the same for both end of the
tunnel.



Other Setting
NetBIOS broadcastCheck this to enable NetBIOS traffic to pass-through the
VPN tunnel.Anti-replayCheck this to enable the Anti-reply protection. this
feature keeps track of sequence numbers and packet arrival, ensuring
security at the IP packet-level.Keep-AliveCheck this to re-establish VPN
tunnel connection whenever it is dropped.  Once the tunnel is initialized,
this feature will keep the tunnel connected.If IKE failed more than x
Times, block this unauthorized IP for y seconds.Check this box to block
unauthorized IP addresses. Complete the on-screen sentence to specify how
many times IKE must fail before blocking that unauthorized IP address for a
length of time that you specify (in seconds).




On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rtfm?

 It really depends on what your options are in the vpn device are.
 On Jun 24, 2012 1:00 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I need to take my laptop on several road trips, and I need to connect
 back to my home office LAN - all Debian machines. I am on COX cable with a
 BEFSX41 router. The BEFSX41 has a VPN option that I have never used. What
 do I need to add to my laptop (Debian) to talk to my home office LAN
 securely (ie through a VPN) using my BEFSX41? Obviously, I am a complete
 nube when it comes to setting up VPN access to my LAN. I have googled for
 some recommendations, but I have not found a good reference to follow.

 Thanks,

 Mark

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Re: Need Help setting up a VPN Connection to my LAN

2012-06-24 Thread Mark Phillips
Thanks for all the comments. Based on what you have said and further
research, I have come to the conlusion...

1. I need to install openvpn on a machine on my lan and on my laptop.
2. I will follow these instructions for installation and configuration -
http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#quick
3. Just enable all the vpn options on my BEFSX41 and pray it all
connects...;)

fallbackpurchase a cisco pix 501 and play with that.

Thanks!

Mark
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 The BEFSX41's were not completely configured for anything but
 SITE---SITE VPN.  An IPSEC tunnel to tunnel can be setup evidently to
 work with a linux VPN client. where you have a static client IP address (no
 NAT), but you are correct, it's a bit of work.

 And there are some known issues:
 http://homecommunity.cisco.com/t5/Wired-Routers/VPN-works-causes-periodic-freezes-of-BEFSX41/m-p/227179?comm_cc=HSuscomm_lang=en#226944

 Version:
 Do you have BEFSX41 v1 or v2?  With the most recent firmware, the VPN page
 should look like this:
 http://ui.linksys.com/files/BEFSX41/1.52.5/Security-VPN-Tunnel-Enabled.htm

 Linksys QuickVPN software and cisco VPN client will not work for IPSEC or
 this router.  Linksys has instructions for setting up an IPSEC tunnel for
 the BEFSX41 (which is all it supports):
 http://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/lbc/BEFSX41

 As you can see, you can, with this router, do passthrough and OpenVPN is
 so nice, easy and powerful, I recommend you just use it (rather than try to
 configure VPNs from this router) [simply check all three boxes on the
 BEFSX41 and save].

 OpenVPN Access Server (OpenVPN-AS) is a set of installation and
 configuration tools that simplify the rapid deployment of a VPN remote
 access solution. It is based on the popular OpenVPN open-source software,
 making the deployed VPN immediately compatible with OpenVPN client software
 across multiple user platforms.* *The server configurations options
 supported are a carefully selected subset of a quite large set of possible
 OpenVPN configurations. Thus, OpenVPN Access Server streamlines the
 configuration and management of an OpenVPN-based secure remote access
 deployment.
 You can get OpenVPNAS here (for Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOs and Redhat, as well
 as VirtualMachine images):
 http://openvpn.net/index.php/download/access-server-downloads.html

 To configure OpenVPN client in Linux:
 Simply surf to the port you setup for your OpenVPNAS server [usually
 80/443] (be sure to port forward as needed) and login with the user name
 and password you setup and it will prompt you to download your client for
 Linux, OS X, or Windows.

 Client configuration instructions for  Sentinel  to BEFSX41: (useful for
 setting options in your linux client):
 http://www.homenethelp.com/vpn/router-config.asp








  On Jun 24, 2012 1:00 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I need to take my laptop on several road trips, and I need to connect
 back to my home office LAN - all Debian machines. I am on COX cable with a
 BEFSX41 router. The BEFSX41 has a VPN option that I have never used. What
 do I need to add to my laptop (Debian) to talk to my home office LAN
 securely (ie through a VPN) using my BEFSX41? Obviously, I am a complete
 nube when it comes to setting up VPN access to my LAN. I have googled for
 some recommendations, but I have not found a good reference to follow.

 Thanks,

 Mark






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Re: Need Help setting up a VPN Connection to my LAN

2012-06-24 Thread Mark Phillips
Thanks for all the comments. Based on what you have said and further
research, I have come to the conlusion...

1. I need to install openvpn on a machine on my lan and on my laptop.
2. I will follow these instructions for installation and configuration -
http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#quick
3. Just enable all the vpn options on my BEFSX41 and pray it all
connects...;)

fallbackpurchase a cisco pix 501 and play with that.

Thanks!

Mark

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 The BEFSX41's were not completely configured for anything but
 SITE---SITE VPN.  An IPSEC tunnel to tunnel can be setup evidently to
 work with a linux VPN client. where you have a static client IP address (no
 NAT), but you are correct, it's a bit of work.

 And there are some known issues:
 http://homecommunity.cisco.com/t5/Wired-Routers/VPN-works-causes-periodic-freezes-of-BEFSX41/m-p/227179?comm_cc=HSuscomm_lang=en#226944

 Version:
 Do you have BEFSX41 v1 or v2?  With the most recent firmware, the VPN page
 should look like this:
 http://ui.linksys.com/files/BEFSX41/1.52.5/Security-VPN-Tunnel-Enabled.htm

 Linksys QuickVPN software and cisco VPN client will not work for IPSEC or
 this router.  Linksys has instructions for setting up an IPSEC tunnel for
 the BEFSX41 (which is all it supports):
 http://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/lbc/BEFSX41

 As you can see, you can, with this router, do passthrough and OpenVPN is
 so nice, easy and powerful, I recommend you just use it (rather than try to
 configure VPNs from this router) [simply check all three boxes on the
 BEFSX41 and save].

 OpenVPN Access Server (OpenVPN-AS) is a set of installation and
 configuration tools that simplify the rapid deployment of a VPN remote
 access solution. It is based on the popular OpenVPN open-source software,
 making the deployed VPN immediately compatible with OpenVPN client software
 across multiple user platforms.* *The server configurations options
 supported are a carefully selected subset of a quite large set of possible
 OpenVPN configurations. Thus, OpenVPN Access Server streamlines the
 configuration and management of an OpenVPN-based secure remote access
 deployment.
 You can get OpenVPNAS here (for Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOs and Redhat, as well
 as VirtualMachine images):
 http://openvpn.net/index.php/download/access-server-downloads.html

 To configure OpenVPN client in Linux:
 Simply surf to the port you setup for your OpenVPNAS server [usually
 80/443] (be sure to port forward as needed) and login with the user name
 and password you setup and it will prompt you to download your client for
 Linux, OS X, or Windows.

 Client configuration instructions for  Sentinel  to BEFSX41: (useful for
 setting options in your linux client):
 http://www.homenethelp.com/vpn/router-config.asp








  On Jun 24, 2012 1:00 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
 wrote:

 I need to take my laptop on several road trips, and I need to connect
 back to my home office LAN - all Debian machines. I am on COX cable with a
 BEFSX41 router. The BEFSX41 has a VPN option that I have never used. What
 do I need to add to my laptop (Debian) to talk to my home office LAN
 securely (ie through a VPN) using my BEFSX41? Obviously, I am a complete
 nube when it comes to setting up VPN access to my LAN. I have googled for
 some recommendations, but I have not found a good reference to follow.

 Thanks,

 Mark






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Re: Need Help setting up a VPN Connection to my LAN

2012-06-24 Thread Mark Phillips
Lisa,

Don't I have to pay a license fee for the OpenVPN Access Server? When I
looked on the site, I was prompted to buy a license.

Mark

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 Just so you know, OpenVPN Access Server, automatically sets up all the
 databases, certificates and web management.  It's REALLY EASY SOLID and
 simple.  You get something like 3 free licenses.

 I don't recommend you mess around with the regular OpenVPN instructions
 (as linked below on your response) - unless you are masochistic.

 Use these:
 http://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/docs/quick-start-guide.html

 Excerpt:

 *Linux Distribution:*
 You will need to make sure you download the package that corresponds with
 the current OS Distro, we currently support these Linux Distros:
 - Ubuntu
 - RHEL
 - Fedora
 - CentOS
 - Debian (Install Ubuntu Packages for Debian)

 Click here to download the OpenVPN Access Server 
 packageshttp://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/download-openvpn-as-sw.html


 *CPU Architecture:
 *You will need to make sure you install the correct package depending on
 your CPU Architecture (32bit or 64bit)
 *
 Installing the OpenVPN-AS Package:
 *To Install the OpenVPN-AS package in Ubuntu or Debian you will need to
 run this command:

 *dpkg -i openvpnasdebpack.deb*

 To install the OpenVPN-AS package in CentOS, RHEL, or Fedora you will need
 to run this command:

 *rpm -i openvpnasrpmpack.rpm*

 The Admin Account for OpenVPN-AS needs to be setup through terminal by
 doing the following:

 Change the password:

 passwd openvpn

 You will then be prompted to set a password for the user openvpn, after
 setting the password you can login to the Admin UI with the Username
 openvpn and the password you set.

 *Note: In some circumstances for certain configurations you may need to
 run the complete ovpn-init script terminal:
 /usr/local/openvpn_as/bin/ovpn-init*

 *Configuring the Admin Web Interface:
 *After you have completed the Initial Configuration Tool you should then
 be able to access the Admin Web Interface through your preferred web
 browser. You should have noticed an link to the Admin Web Interface after
 you completed the Initial Configuration Tool, if you missed it you can
 access the Admin Web Interface by typing the following in your browsers
 address bar: https://openvpnasip/admin https://openvpnasip:943/admin (Please
 replace openvpnasip with the IP you allocated to your openvpn-as instance)
  https://openvpnasip:943/admin
 You can now go ahead and login with your openvpn admin credentials. Once
 logged in you will see the following screen:

 end excerpt


 On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:

 Thanks for all the comments. Based on what you have said and further
 research, I have come to the conlusion...

 1. I need to install openvpn on a machine on my lan and on my laptop.
 2. I will follow these instructions for installation and configuration -
 http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#quick
 3. Just enable all the vpn options on my BEFSX41 and pray it all
 connects...;)

 fallbackpurchase a cisco pix 501 and play with that.

 Thanks!

 Mark
 On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 The BEFSX41's were not completely configured for anything but
 SITE---SITE VPN.  An IPSEC tunnel to tunnel can be setup evidently to
 work with a linux VPN client. where you have a static client IP address (no
 NAT), but you are correct, it's a bit of work.

 And there are some known issues:
 http://homecommunity.cisco.com/t5/Wired-Routers/VPN-works-causes-periodic-freezes-of-BEFSX41/m-p/227179?comm_cc=HSuscomm_lang=en#226944

 Version:
 Do you have BEFSX41 v1 or v2?  With the most recent firmware, the VPN
 page should look like this:

 http://ui.linksys.com/files/BEFSX41/1.52.5/Security-VPN-Tunnel-Enabled.htm

 Linksys QuickVPN software and cisco VPN client will not work for IPSEC
 or this router.  Linksys has instructions for setting up an IPSEC tunnel
 for the BEFSX41 (which is all it supports):
 http://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/lbc/BEFSX41

 As you can see, you can, with this router, do passthrough and OpenVPN is
 so nice, easy and powerful, I recommend you just use it (rather than try to
 configure VPNs from this router) [simply check all three boxes on the
 BEFSX41 and save].

 OpenVPN Access Server (OpenVPN-AS) is a set of installation and
 configuration tools that simplify the rapid deployment of a VPN remote
 access solution. It is based on the popular OpenVPN open-source software,
 making the deployed VPN immediately compatible with OpenVPN client software
 across multiple user platforms.* *The server configurations options
 supported are a carefully selected subset of a quite large set of possible
 OpenVPN configurations. Thus, OpenVPN Access Server streamlines the
 configuration and management of an OpenVPN-based

Looking for Streaming Media Software Recommendations

2012-06-22 Thread Mark Phillips
I have a underused Debian headless server, a network enabled DLNA TV,
so.why not stream some movies to this TV? I am looking for
recommendations for a streaming media server that will run on a headless
Debian server.

Thanks!

Mark
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Re: Has Anyone Used OwnCloud?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Phillips
Lisa,

Thanks for the link. I guess I will just have to install it and see how it
works.

Mark

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:

 I was googling how to build your own cloud storage, and ran across
 owncloud.org. A glorified webdav server. Does anyone have any experience
 with it?


 This looks interesting:


 http://www.howtoforge.com/your-cloud-your-data-your-way-owncloud-4.0-nginx-postgresql-on-centos-6.2


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Re: Has Anyone Used OwnCloud?

2012-06-20 Thread Mark Phillips
Crawford,

Thanks for your email. I have read conflicting reports in some forums that
the file transfers (backing up user data) are slow. Is this true? Also, are
there sync clients for different OSes that automate client backups?

Thanks,

Mark
On Jun 20, 2012 12:24 PM, Crawford Rainwater 
crawford.rainwa...@linux-etc.com wrote:

 Mark:

 Linux ETC has set ownCloud up for a client and has it as a demo site on
 our web server as well.  It uses SabreDAV in the backend, so a little
 different than the typical WebDAV for API calls.  We are still debating
 offering this as a service as well for general public use based on the
 storage size allocated on a monthly basis.

 What else would you like to know? ;-)

 --- Crawford

 The Linux ETC Company
 10121 Yates Court
 Westminster, CO 80031 USA
 voice:  +1.303.604.2550
 web:http://www.linux-etc.com

 Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.  Be
 friendly to the environment by saving paper.

 - Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: -
 
  I was googling how to build your own cloud storage, and ran across
  owncloud.org. A glorified webdav server. Does anyone have any
  experience
  with it?
 
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I was googling how to build your own cloud storage, and ran across
owncloud.org. A glorified webdav server. Does anyone have any experience
with it?

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Re: Problems with Ubuntu 12.04 Networking on Latitude D620

2012-06-14 Thread Mark Phillips
Michael,

Thanksno blinky lights. I plugged into another network outlet, and the
network came up. Now for the spooky part.

I have two cables (red, blue) and 2 network connections (A, B) in the wall
going back to the router/switch and 2 computers (D260, 1520).

A --red--D260 = no blinky lights and no network connection
A --red--1520 = blinky lights and network connection
B --blue--D260 = blinky lights and network connection
B --blue--1520 = blinky lights and network connection

I tried a third cable from A to D260 and got blinky lights and network. I
think there is something wrong with the red cable. Do you agree?

Mark

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote:

 Looks like you're not getting actual link - is the link up?

 sudo mii-tool eth0

 should see:

 eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok

 Should also see blinky lights on the nic.

 Do you use a dock with it?  They sometimes switch between dock and
 build-in causing one or the other not to work or link, even sometimes
 getting stuck, but that's usually a driver/os thing.

 -mb



 On 06/14/2012 05:20 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 I installed Ubuntu 12.04 on a Dell Latitude D620. I didn't expect any
 issues based on googling this laptop and Linux. However, I cannot get
 Ethernet or wifi to work.

 lspci shows the correct hardware

 Ethernet controller; Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigibit
 Ethernet PCI Express (rev 2)
 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)

 I went into Network Connections and added a Wired connection and gave it
 a name and selected the MAc address for eth0 (in the drop down list),
 and selected automatic (DHCP) as the method for iP4

 I looked at /etc/network/interfaces
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback

 so I tried adding

 auto eth0

 but no luck. grep -i eth /var/log/syslog gives

 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): new Ethernet device (driver:'tg3'
 ifindex: 2)
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): exported as
 /org/freedesktop/**NetworkManager/Devices/0
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): mow managed
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): device state change: unmanaged -
 unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 2 0 2]
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): bringing up device
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): preparing device
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): deactivating device (reason
 'managed') [2]
 kernel: [1815.448547] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
 kernel: [1815.449321] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready

 I looked at some forum posts on how to fix this, and the best I found
 was to edit NetworkManager.conf and set managed=true (it came false out
 of the box). That did not help.

 Thanks for any other suggestions you may have!

 Mark


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Re: Problems with Ubuntu 12.04 Networking on Latitude D620

2012-06-14 Thread Mark Phillips
Lisa and Stephen,

I got the wired working...looks like a bad cable - see my previous post.
Have to take my starving daughter to dinner - they whine a lot when they
get hungry...;)

I will let you know about the wifi when I get back!

Thanks for the super quick responses!!!

Mark

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:

 I installed Ubuntu 12.04 on a Dell Latitude D620. I didn't expect any
 issues based on googling this laptop and Linux. However, I cannot get
 Ethernet or wifi to work.

 lspci shows the correct hardware

 Ethernet controller; Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigibit
 Ethernet PCI Express (rev 2)
 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)

 I went into Network Connections and added a Wired connection and gave it
 a name and selected the MAc address for eth0 (in the drop down list), and
 selected automatic (DHCP) as the method for iP4

 I looked at /etc/network/interfaces
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback

 so I tried adding

 auto eth0

 but no luck. grep -i eth /var/log/syslog gives

 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): new Ethernet device (driver:'tg3'
 ifindex: 2)
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): exported as
 /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/0
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): mow managed
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): device state change: unmanaged -
 unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 2 0 2]
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): bringing up device
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): preparing device
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): deactivating device (reason
 'managed') [2]
 kernel: [1815.448547] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
 kernel: [1815.449321] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready

 I looked at some forum posts on how to fix this, and the best I found was
 to edit NetworkManager.conf and set managed=true (it came false out of the
 box). That did not help.

 Thanks for any other suggestions you may have!

 Mark


 It appears to be trying to use a tg3 driver - which is the ethernet.

 Follow these instructions to setup the /etc/network/interfaces networking
 for Network Manager:
 https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/network-configuration.html

 Example for /etc/network/interfaces:

 auto eth0
 iface eth0 inet dhcp
 pre-up /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full

 Manual test (non-persistent):

 #  sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
 # route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0

 For your wireless:

 Please show us the output of:


 nm-tool
 lsmod | grep b43
 sudo iwlist scan



 sudo cat /var/log/syslog | grep -e b43 -e firmware -e wpa -e wlan -e etork | 
 tail -n55

 $ sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
 $ sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source

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Re: Problems with Ubuntu 12.04 Networking on Latitude D620

2012-06-14 Thread Mark Phillips
Wireless is now working, based on the info in this post:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604868page=58

Thanks!

Mark


On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Mark Phillips
m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 Lisa and Stephen,

 I got the wired working...looks like a bad cable - see my previous post.
 Have to take my starving daughter to dinner - they whine a lot when they
 get hungry...;)

 I will let you know about the wifi when I get back!

 Thanks for the super quick responses!!!

 Mark

 On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark,

 On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I installed Ubuntu 12.04 on a Dell Latitude D620. I didn't expect any
 issues based on googling this laptop and Linux. However, I cannot get
 Ethernet or wifi to work.

 lspci shows the correct hardware

 Ethernet controller; Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigibit
 Ethernet PCI Express (rev 2)
 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)

 I went into Network Connections and added a Wired connection and gave it
 a name and selected the MAc address for eth0 (in the drop down list), and
 selected automatic (DHCP) as the method for iP4

 I looked at /etc/network/interfaces
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback

 so I tried adding

 auto eth0

 but no luck. grep -i eth /var/log/syslog gives

 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): new Ethernet device (driver:'tg3'
 ifindex: 2)
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): exported as
 /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/0
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): mow managed
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): device state change: unmanaged -
 unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 2 0 2]
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): bringing up device
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): preparing device
 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): deactivating device (reason
 'managed') [2]
 kernel: [1815.448547] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
 kernel: [1815.449321] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready

 I looked at some forum posts on how to fix this, and the best I found
 was to edit NetworkManager.conf and set managed=true (it came false out of
 the box). That did not help.

 Thanks for any other suggestions you may have!

 Mark


 It appears to be trying to use a tg3 driver - which is the ethernet.

 Follow these instructions to setup the /etc/network/interfaces networking
 for Network Manager:
 https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/network-configuration.html

 Example for /etc/network/interfaces:

 auto eth0
 iface eth0 inet dhcp
 pre-up /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full

 Manual test (non-persistent):

 #  sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
 # route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0

 For your wireless:

 Please show us the output of:


 nm-tool
 lsmod | grep b43
 sudo iwlist scan



 sudo cat /var/log/syslog | grep -e b43 -e firmware -e wpa -e wlan -e etork | 
 tail -n55

 $ sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
 $ sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source

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Looking for Windows XP OEM Installation Media

2012-06-07 Thread Mark Phillips
I am refurbishing an old Dell Latitude D620 for my daughter. I am
installing Ubuntu 12.0.4, and I would like to have Windows XP run in
VirtualBox so she can access Itunes. I have several OEM Windows XP licenses
from other Dell machines that I have converted completely to Linux, but I
don't have any XP installation CDs. Dell won't send them to me. Does anyone
have an XP installation CD I can borrow?

If I am violating any laws with the request, please let me know. My simple
minded view is that I have a valid license, just not the media, so
borrowing the media for an installation should not be an issue.

Thanks,

Mark
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Re: Looking for Windows XP OEM Installation Media

2012-06-07 Thread Mark Phillips
DohI forgot that the D620 also has a key.

The key on the D620 is for XP Pro.

We can talk off list about how to meet.some dark alley in the city
where no one will see us;) mark at phillipsmarketing dot biz.

Mark

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Find out if you have a key on that dell you are setting up. and hat
 version it is. I have a an XP pro and XP home OEM install media for
 that generation of latitude.

 On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
  On 06/07/2012 09:52 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
 
  I am refurbishing an old Dell Latitude D620 for my daughter. I am
  installing Ubuntu 12.0.4, and I would like to have Windows XP run in
  VirtualBox so she can access Itunes. I have several OEM Windows XP
  licenses from other Dell machines that I have converted completely to
  Linux, but I don't have any XP installation CDs. Dell won't send them to
  me. Does anyone have an XP installation CD I can borrow?
 
  If I am violating any laws with the request, please let me know. My
  simple minded view is that I have a valid license, just not the media,
  so borrowing the media for an installation should not be an issue.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Mark
 
 
  First off, IANAL, and YMMV.
 
  TTBOMK, Windoze OEM licenses are good only on the machine they're issued
  for. Your D620 probably has a license sticker on it though. You won't
  however be able to install a retail version of XP using the OEM license
 key.
 
  Windoze licenses vary regarding virtualized machines. For example, Vista
  Home Premium does not allow for running as a VM guest, while Vista
 Ultimate
  does (on the same hardware). I know that XP Pro allows running as a VM
 guest
  (on the same hardware), but I'm not sure about XP Home. Allowing for
  something in the license doesn't necessarily mean that it won't work
 though
  (I don't honestly know if it'd work or not).
 
  I would find a Dell XP installation disk, which will install on your D620
  w/out requiring activation. You might stop by AZStRUT some day to see if
 you
  can use theirs on site. Once you have XP on the bare hardware, you can
 use
  the P2V utility for VB to create the VM guest files. Then install Ubuntu
 and
  VB on the bare hardware, and copy in the VM guest files you created
 earlier.
  That's the best way I know of to get to where you want to be.
 
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To 64 Bit or Not To 64 Bit

2012-06-07 Thread Mark Phillips
Would you recommend running the 64 bit Ubuntu or 32 bit Ubuntu on this
hardware:

NameDell Latitude D620
ProcessorIntel Core Duo T2300 1.66Ghz
Screen14.1” WXGA
RAM4 GB
HDD320 GB
Optical DriveDVD+-RW
GraphicsIntel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
Network10/100/1000 Ethernet + Intel 3945 802.11g Wireless
Other4 x USB2.0

Thanks!

Mark
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Re: OT: computer/electronics recycling

2012-05-20 Thread Mark Phillips
Depending on the machine specs, I may be able to use for my daughters. I am
willing to drive to you and pick them up.

Mark
On May 20, 2012 12:25 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh, BTW, they are now putting Linux Mint on a lot of machines!

 On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.azstrut.org/ is another possibility.  They also have a number
 of drop sites (click on Donations) and I see they now have an association
 with Batteries Plus which has a Scottsdale office.

 On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

  Hi All,

 I have 2 old laptops that I'd like to get rid of and would prefer not to
 simply throw them in the trash. Is there a place I can drop them for
 recycling?  I live in North Scottsdale, so ideally a place in the vicinity
 would be great.

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Re: Problems Printing with Firefox

2012-05-14 Thread Mark Phillips
Hi Lisa,

Thanks so much for your great emails regarding firefox not showing any
printers in the print dialog. I never got it to work, so I stopped using
it. I was on version 10, and not that version 12 is out, I thought I would
give it a trywell the same thing is happening - no printers in the
print dialog.

I am running  Linux version 3.1.0-1-amd64 (Debian 3.1.8-2) (
b...@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2-11) ) #1 SMP Tue Jan
10 05:01:58 UTC 2012 with firefox 12 and Cups 1.5.2. I have a network
connected HP Officejet Pro L7670 all in one printer at ip 192.168.25.102
(my local network). All my other browsers and application on all the
machines on the network can see this printer and print to it. gtklp version
1.2.7

my ~./gtkrc-2.0 has the following
gtk-print-backends = file,lpr,cups

I have no errors reported in /var/log/cups/errors/log when I try to print
from firefox (ie bring up the empty print dialog)

Firefox is running under the user mark, and mark is part of the group
lpadmin

My default printer is Officejet_Pro_L7600, and I can print from the command
line using lp

I did not have a print.print_printer, so I added one to the firefox config
(about:config) and used Officejet_Pro_L7600 as the name. If I reset the
value as recommended in some posts, it defaults to an empty string, and
then on a restart of firefox, that config element is no longer there. I
also have:
print.postscript.print_command /usr/bin/gtklp
print.print_command /usr/bin/gtklp

I have these installed:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-cups.so
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-file.so
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-lpr.so
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-test.so

/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-cups.so
/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-file.so
/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-lpr.so
/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-test.so

Somewhere I read they are important...;)

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Mark


On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Also,  I forgot to clarify which gtkrc you needed to edit:

 This should go into ~/.gtkrc-2.0:

 gtk-print-backends = file,lpr,cups

 This is supposedly important.  Be sure to save the original so you can roll 
 back.


 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:



 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:



 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Lisa Kachold 
 lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark

 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:



 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Lisa Kachold 
 lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:

 Hi Mark

 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I have Firefox 11.0 installed, as well as Google Chrome 17.0.963.65,
 Opera, and of course, Epiphany on my Debian testing machine. I use cups 
 for
 printing over the network to my hp printer. Chrome, Opera, Epiphany all
 recognize all the installed printers on my network, but Firefox does not
 see any of them. I don't even have the print to file option that most 
 posts
 on the subject talk about. When I look in firefox's about:config at all 
 the
 print* settings, the printer is there, but it does not show up in the 
 print
 dialog and I cannot print from firefox.
 Anyone else have this problem, and know how to solve it?

 Thanks,

 Mark


 Reference:  http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting

 A) Have you logged into Cups to see if there is an error?


 http://localhost:631

 WHAT IS THE ERROR message in the logs?


 Yes, I have looked at the cups error logs as well as the admin portal.
 There are no errors from firefox, since it never sees any of the printers.
 All other applications (browsers, libreoffice, etc.) print without errors.


 snip


 B) If this is a permissions issue, you might have to add the
 Firefox invoking user to the group file:

 sudo usermod -a -G lpadmin tom

 firefox is running under user mark, and I am in the lpadmin group


 C) Are you using a postscript printer?  I see you are using printers
 that require postscript, but cups and GTK should work.


 gnome gtklp runs and finds all the printers.


 Also, why would the type of printer make a difference? If cups can
 print to that printer, why would firefox care, unless firefox doesn't use
 cups?


 Firefox (like all prebuilt binaries) can be sensitive to GTK issues.


 Firefox:
 1. First, if you haven't done so, you need to print to PostScript in
 order for the needed entry in prefs.js to be populated. This will be done
 automatically the first time you print. Open any web page and go to:

 File -- Print -- choose PostScript/default (it should be the
 default if you

Re: Considering a new laptop

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Phillips
I have been only used dell for the past 10 years, and never had any issues.
I currenty have a Dell vostro 1520, which works out of the box with Debian
testing. I run Windows in vmplayer when I have to use it.

Mark

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote:

 Same with Dell, they employ guys like Mario Limonciello supporting their
 hardware that does a lot of compatibility testing and pushes fixes
 internally with dell for bios and other vendor-supported features.  I'd do
 quick compat checks before buy, but Dell is usually a pretty safe option
 for linux support I find.

 I'd gone with a HP Elitebook for pure power (and 4 dimm slots for cheap
 16gb ram) and other than raw performance, it's been an disaster for linux
 support.  ACPI and bios disk functions are broken at best, and they will
 never fix them because their userbase is too small.  How about just
 making hardware that doesn't suck?  Perfect example of a vendor parasite
 around linux - happy to use it to sell servers, but nothing else.

 -mb



 On 03/27/2012 07:01 AM, Stephen wrote:

 Good machines that tend to work if not support Linux is sager notebooks.

 On Mar 27, 2012 6:35 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com
 mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.**com kitepi...@kitepilot.com 
 kitepi...@kitepilot.com

 mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.**com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:

I would stay away from System76.
Bad BAD (and costly) experience...
ET
PS: YMMV...


Stephen writes:

The other option is a vendor like system76 they have a good bang
for buck
value. Or maybe red 7.
But the instant you add discrete graphics your battery life goes
way down.
Also the dell latitudes support linux quite well. Just not in an
official
sense.
On Mar 27, 2012 12:46 AM, Phillip Waclawski
waclaw...@mesacc.edu mailto:waclaw...@mesacc.edu wrote:

I have one of the Dell Ubuntu Laptops from about 6 years ago
(yes, they
did sell 1420n inspirons with linux pre-installed :). It
still works, but
the Intel Graphics card doesn't support Opengl very well, so
that makes
Blender, openshot and other programs on linux a pain, and
things like
wacraft literally impossible.
So, I've been thinking about

 http://zareason.com/shop/__**Strata-6770.htmlhttp://zareason.com/shop/__Strata-6770.html


 http://zareason.com/shop/**Strata-6770.htmlhttp://zareason.com/shop/Strata-6770.html
 decked out
to the point I
want is about $1400, but the 6 cell battery with maybe 3
hours of battery
life...ugh

 http://zareason.com/shop/__**Verix-2.5.htmlhttp://zareason.com/shop/__Verix-2.5.html


 http://zareason.com/shop/**Verix-2.5.htmlhttp://zareason.com/shop/Verix-2.5.html
with a few
upgrades goes to
$2300 or so, everything I could want, but nearly $900 more.
I know you pay a bit of a premium going with a non top tier
vendor that
supports linux, but I've heard good things about them, and
enjoyed their
talk on RetroGnome at SCALE X.
What do folks think? And what other laptop vendors that
support Linux
(with good NVidia graphics cards in them, I won't do Intel
graphics ever
again).
Thanks
Phil Waclawski
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OT: SQL Question

2012-03-23 Thread Mark Phillips
I have a servlet/jsp/MySQL web site in production, and there are about
2,000 records in the flights table. One of the foreign keys is teacher_id.
Up to this point, there is a one to many relationship between teacher_id
and the data in the flights table. I need to change the data model to allow
for a many to many relationship between teacher_id and the data in the
flight table. What is the best way to do this?

Thanks,

Mark
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Problems Printing with Firefox

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Phillips
I have Firefox 11.0 installed, as well as Google Chrome 17.0.963.65, Opera,
and of course, Epiphany on my Debian testing machine. I use cups for
printing over the network to my hp printer. Chrome, Opera, Epiphany all
recognize all the installed printers on my network, but Firefox does not
see any of them. I don't even have the print to file option that most posts
on the subject talk about. When I look in firefox's about:config at all the
print* settings, the printer is there, but it does not show up in the print
dialog and I cannot print from firefox.
Anyone else have this problem, and know how to solve it?

Thanks,

Mark
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Re: Problems Printing with Firefox

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Phillips
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark

 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:



 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Lisa Kachold 
 lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mark

 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 I have Firefox 11.0 installed, as well as Google Chrome 17.0.963.65,
 Opera, and of course, Epiphany on my Debian testing machine. I use cups for
 printing over the network to my hp printer. Chrome, Opera, Epiphany all
 recognize all the installed printers on my network, but Firefox does not
 see any of them. I don't even have the print to file option that most posts
 on the subject talk about. When I look in firefox's about:config at all the
 print* settings, the printer is there, but it does not show up in the print
 dialog and I cannot print from firefox.
 Anyone else have this problem, and know how to solve it?

 Thanks,

 Mark


 Reference:  http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting

 A) Have you logged into Cups to see if there is an error?


 http://localhost:631

 WHAT IS THE ERROR message in the logs?


 Yes, I have looked at the cups error logs as well as the admin portal.
 There are no errors from firefox, since it never sees any of the printers.
 All other applications (browsers, libreoffice, etc.) print without errors.


 B) What does system-config-printer say?
 http://cyberelk.net/tim/software/system-config-printer/

 Is it not postscript?  See D - below related to firefox and postscript


 Just curious - why would I use system-config-printer when I have the cups
 web interface? According to the system-config-printer info on debian.org- In
 terms of features, it (i.e. system-config-printer) aims to be as complete
 as the CUPS web administration tool, while being integrated to the desktop.



 C) If this is a permissions issue, you might have to add the Firefox
 invoking user to the group file:

 sudo usermod -a -G lpadmin tom

 firefox is running under user mark, and I am in the lpadmin group


 D) Are you using a postscript printer?  Do you have kprinter installed?


 I use gnome, not kde, so no kprinter. gtklp runs and finds all the
 printers.

 Also, why would the type of printer make a difference? If cups can print
 to that printer, why would firefox care, unless firefox doesn't use cups?


 Firefox:
 1. First, if you haven't done so, you need to print to PostScript in
 order for the needed entry in prefs.js to be populated. This will be done
 automatically the first time you print. Open any web page and go to:

 File -- Print -- choose PostScript/default (it should be the default
 if you haven't installed any printers yet) -- click Print


 The problem is that there are no printers int he File -- Print dialog,
 so nothing to print to.


 Once you have done this and it prints, it'll add the PostScript entry
 you need to edit.

 2. In the URL bar, type

 about:config to open the config page.

 3. In the Filter bar, type

 print.printer_PostScript/default.print_command
 This should filter everything out but that line.

 4. Right-click on the line, click on Modify, and change the entry to
 say

 kprinter then click OK. This will make Firefox print to kprinter any
 time you select the PostScript/default printer.

 5. Right-click anywhere in the white space, then click on New --
 Boolean to add a new Boolean entry. Type

 print.always_print_silent

 and set its value to true. This will force Firefox to print to the
 default printer without prompting you. If PostScript/default is the only
 printer you have and there are no local / network printers, it works great
 and you can stop here. But if you installed a printer through CUPS, it
 complicates things as Firefox will want to use that as a default and all
 your prints will go there without prompting you! So even if you don't have
 a local printer, it's a good idea to add the following line in case you add
 one later.

 6. Once again, right-click and choose New -- Boolean. Type

 print.postscript.cups.enabled
 and set its value to false. That will disable CUPS printing in
 Firefox, and it will default to the PostScript/default printer. And since
 you've changed the output of that to kprinter, you'll see a processing
 dialog for a split second when you print, after which kprinter will open
 up. There you can choose all your printers, including PDF, PostScript, and
 any CUPS installed printers :) .


 Did you verify the GTK?

 Did you check for the gtkrc file?


I have a lot of gtkrc files -
locate gtkrc
/etc/gimp/2.0/gtkrc
/home/mark/.gimp-2.6/gtkrc
/home/mark/Desktop/buffalo_nas/new_firmware/filesystem/usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/gtkrc.vim
/usr/lib/vmware/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/Clearlooks.gtkrc
/usr/lib/vmware/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
/usr/lib/vmware-installer/2.0/lib/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/Clearlooks.gtkrc
/usr/lib/vmware-installer/2.0/lib/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
/usr/share/eog/gtkrc
/usr/share/gimp/2.0

Re: I need opinions.

2012-02-15 Thread Mark Phillips
Mike,

I believe the foundation of PLUG is the notion that members of the Plug
community give freely to each other as they can. For example, a member who
has many years of experience as a Linux sysadmin making 6 figures does not
ask a poster to donate $5 to them for solid advice on how to fix the
poster's problem. They give back to the community because they know someday
they will be the poster in need of assistance one day. Or, they give out of
the need to support this community out of the goodness of their heart.
 With that said, I find your proposed post to be offensive and not at all
in the spirit of this community.

I also agree with Mike Bydalek that your proposed post is not even close to
the stated purpose of this forum -
We talk about the state of GNU/Linux, what we've recently done with
GNU/Linux, share problems and create solutions. (
http://plug.phoenix.az.us/aboutplug.html)

My 2 cents.

Mark

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Mike Bydalek mike.byda...@gmail.comwrote:

  Honestly, I don't think this is the proper forum for this.  The ride
 watching you bring up the site has been fun and entertaining, but this is a
 Linux group, not an English group.

 [snarky]You could use the free site you found and use someone there.  I
 understand there are proofreaders there ;) [/snarky]

 -Mike


 On 2/15/12 4:48 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

 I created a webpage and I need opinions of the advertisement I'm putting
 on it. Could you please proof read it and tell me if it would turn you off
 or on or indifferant?
 --
 :-)~MIKE~(-:
 -begin ad---

 Mike here,

 You know, I wanted to find a work-from-home job so badly that I followed
 many leads and I got scammed many times. Good news though! I finally found
 a web page that really does give work-from-home job opportunities. These
 jobs range from computer programmers to cartoon artists; from telephone
 interviewers to social workers; from proofreaders to typists. A great
 number of other opportunities are also at this site just awaiting an
 applicant. I feel as if I should just give the webpage to you but I also
 feel I've been scammed so often that I need to recoup some of my losses.
 So, simply pay $5.00 via paypal to havens.business@gmail.com and I'll
 send you the site. True, you could find it on your own; but I never did in
 the years of my search. I had to pay substantially more than the five I'm
 asking for... but what I did pay for is (in my opinion) unreasonable. I
 figure $5 is a fair price... not to much but perhaps too little. However, I
 know that if you are unemployed you are watching every penny so I
 definately don't want to hurt you. In fact, the site itself is free (at
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Re: problem installing plone

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Phillips
1. Read the readme that came with the plone installation software.
2. install the dependencies that are listed in that readme.

Mark

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 okay, apparently that got rid of the 'bits' error but now  I get :

  ImportError: No module named _sha256

 I tried to apt-get install it but no dice doing that. I then ran apt-file
 search and  a list of 14 files popped up. Do I understand correctly that I
 need to  reinstall all these files? I did that for the bits error but there
 were only four files to reinstall.

 On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM, John jhari...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Your missing dependencies that plone needs to build properly. I look for
 an install readme file and look there first. Not sure which distro you but
 I also use apt-file with Ubuntu

 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 apt-file update
 apt-file search bits/predefs.h

 You'll then have to install the package that it says to. You'll have to
 keep doing this for each missing dep. It takes time but you'll eventually
 chip away the issues so it'll build. If no, you'll want to try and find a
 pre-built package.

   --
 *From:* Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:37 PM
 *Subject:* Re: problem installing plone

 This is cool... I'm looklng through the install log and this might be
 relevant:

 Failed to find the necessary bits to build these modules:
 _bsddb _hashlib   _sqlite3
 _ssl   _tkinter   bsddb185
 bz2dbmgdbm
 linuxaudiodev  ossaudiodevsunaudiodev
 zlib
 To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for the
 module's name.

 (so what do they mean I should do?)
 (if these 'bits' are there where shuld I put them?)

 Failed to build these modules:
 crypt  nis
 ...
 Warning - could not find file bits/predefs.h
 Warning - could not find file sys/cdefs.h
 Warning - could not find file gnu/stubs.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/wchar.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/wordsize.h
 ...
 Warning - could not find file sys/socket.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/types.h
 ...
 Warning - could not find file bits/in.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/endian.h
 ...
 *** WARNING: renaming nis since importing it failed:
 build/lib.linux-i686-2.6/nis.so: undefined symbol: yp_master

 Failed to find the necessary bits to build these modules:
 _bsddb _hashlib   _sqlite3
 _ssl   _tkinter   bsddb185
 bz2dbmgdbm
 linuxaudiodev  ossaudiodevsunaudiodev
 zlib
 To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for the
 module's name.


 Failed to build these modules:
 crypt  nis
 ...


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Question about USB R/W Speed

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Phillips
I bought a new HP 32 GB USB stick. I plugged it into my Debian laptop to
make a quick back up of a large directory (~8 GB, lots of little files),
and it took overnight to transfer the files. Gnome reported that the
transfer speed was around 400 - 500 KB/sec. I then plugged the same stick
into the same port on my laptop, but transferred files (~1.5 GB lots of
little files) from Windows 7 running in VMPlayer, and got a transfer speed
of 4-5 MB/sec - 10 time faster! I checked the specs on the device, and HP
says it should r/w files at about 4-5 MB/sec. Is there some magic in
windows that makes USB sticks faster?

Thanks,

Mark
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Re: Question about USB R/W Speed

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Phillips
You are probably correct. I went back and checked the sizes of the
directories and the number of files:

Slow transfer - 213,255 files, 3.5 Gb = ~16.4KB/file
Fast Transfer - 803 files, 1.8 GB = 2.24 MB/file

I guess I won't return the stick as defective...;)

Mark

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Adam McCullough ajmcc...@asu.edu wrote:

 I'm willing to bet that the 1.5GB of files were a lot larger and less
 numerous than the 8 GB of files you moved previously.

 It isn't Windows, it has to do with how file systems work. Moving a
 million 1 kb files is going to take a lot more time than moving a tarball
 of the same files -- even if they are the same size, bit for bit.

 On 2 February 2012 08:21, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 I bought a new HP 32 GB USB stick. I plugged it into my Debian laptop to
 make a quick back up of a large directory (~8 GB, lots of little files),
 and it took overnight to transfer the files. Gnome reported that the
 transfer speed was around 400 - 500 KB/sec. I then plugged the same stick
 into the same port on my laptop, but transferred files (~1.5 GB lots of
 little files) from Windows 7 running in VMPlayer, and got a transfer speed
 of 4-5 MB/sec - 10 time faster! I checked the specs on the device, and HP
 says it should r/w files at about 4-5 MB/sec. Is there some magic in
 windows that makes USB sticks faster?

 Thanks,

 Mark

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Re: Question about USB R/W Speed

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Phillips
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote:

 From: Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote:
  If ehci_hcd isn't loaded, then USB2 devices will be limited to USB1
 speeds.
  OK, # lspci |grep -i ehci

 That just tells you whether an EHCI controller is present on the PCI bus
 (one
 is).  You want lsmod | grep ehci, which will tell you whether the
 ehci_hcd
 kernel module is loaded.


# lsmod | grep ehci
ehci_hcd   40215  0
usbcore   124095  5 uvcvideo,usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd

Thanks...it is loaded.


  How do I check if devices are automounted with -o sync?

 This depends on whether you're using an automounter and which one you're
 using.  I can't help that much with the automounter config, since I always
 mount removable media manually and use fstab entries.  But if you plug the
 device in and start doing stuff with it, typing mount in a terminal
 should
 show you a bunch of output with a line like

 /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/somewhere type vfat (rw,noauto,users,umask=000)

 ...where the stuff within ()s is the options the device was mounted as.
 sync probably shouldn't be in there if you want the fastest possible I/O.


from mount, with the HP usb stick installed:
/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,uid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro,user=mark)

No sync, so it was probably the file sizes?

Mark
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Re: problem installing plone

2012-02-01 Thread Mark Phillips
Mike,

John is correct - read the Readme file and install that dependencies.

From you log file, it looks as if you don't have zip installed - LookupError:
unknown encoding: zip
Python zlib support is missing; something went wrong in the zlib or python
build.

Mark

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM, John jhari...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Your missing dependencies that plone needs to build properly. I look for
 an install readme file and look there first. Not sure which distro you but
 I also use apt-file with Ubuntu

 sudo apt-get install apt-file
 apt-file update
 apt-file search bits/predefs.h

 You'll then have to install the package that it says to. You'll have to
 keep doing this for each missing dep. It takes time but you'll eventually
 chip away the issues so it'll build. If no, you'll want to try and find a
 pre-built package.

   --
 *From:* Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:37 PM
 *Subject:* Re: problem installing plone

 This is cool... I'm looklng through the install log and this might be
 relevant:

 Failed to find the necessary bits to build these modules:
 _bsddb _hashlib   _sqlite3
 _ssl   _tkinter   bsddb185
 bz2dbmgdbm
 linuxaudiodev  ossaudiodevsunaudiodev
 zlib
 To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for the
 module's name.

 (so what do they mean I should do?)
 (if these 'bits' are there where shuld I put them?)

 Failed to build these modules:
 crypt  nis
 ...
 Warning - could not find file bits/predefs.h
 Warning - could not find file sys/cdefs.h
 Warning - could not find file gnu/stubs.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/wchar.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/wordsize.h
 ...
 Warning - could not find file sys/socket.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/types.h
 ...
 Warning - could not find file bits/in.h
 Warning - could not find file bits/endian.h
 ...
 *** WARNING: renaming nis since importing it failed:
 build/lib.linux-i686-2.6/nis.so: undefined symbol: yp_master

 Failed to find the necessary bits to build these modules:
 _bsddb _hashlib   _sqlite3
 _ssl   _tkinter   bsddb185
 bz2dbmgdbm
 linuxaudiodev  ossaudiodevsunaudiodev
 zlib
 To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for the
 module's name.


 Failed to build these modules:
 crypt  nis
 ...


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Re: drupal or plone

2012-01-25 Thread Mark Phillips
Some other thoughts about plone from other plone developers...(Again, I
know nothing about Drupal)

- regarding usage:
Plone can be used immediately out-of-the-box (Drupal needs extra
configuration after installation before providing any services), and the
core features offer a very decent coverage, so you start building an entire
web site easily.
Plone is very easy to use, no specific knowledge is needed to start
producing content, Drupal is most part of time more difficult (let's
say Plone is contributor oriented, whereas Drupal is webmaster oriented). I
would agree about plone...install it and end users can start creating pages
of content right away. I set up a high school newspaper site with plone out
of the box, and the students were creating news stories, photo albums,
surveys, etc. within a couple of hours. All with the built in workflow, so
the school administration could review/approve/reject all content before it
was published to the Internet.

- regarding admin sys:
Plone provides a fully integrated architecture where you can easily deploy
clustering, caching, load balancing, etc...
whereas Drupal is only a component (actually a set of components providing
CMS features) that needs to be integrated in a global architecture. You may
not care with a small site, but as it grows or you need these things, they
are built in and just have to be turned on in plone.

- regarding development:
The Plone framework is much more robust and structured, all Plone products
respect its standards (and at all levels: component architecture,
testability, deployability, CSS classes, JS declaration,
internationalization, everything...).
Drupal is more unstructured and heterogeneous. There is also a large body
of open source Plone products to add new functionality and themes to change
the look and feel of the site.

Also, some other sources if information from the plone community -

http://www.sixfeetup.com/blog/plone-vs.-drupal
http://www.sixfeetup.com/blog/plone-vs-drupal-installation
http://www.sixfeetup.com/blog/plone-vs.-drupal-core-features-comparison

Six Feet Up is a plone developer of long standing and high involved with
the development of plone itself.

Have fun!

Mark

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:43 AM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.comwrote:

 When I first got into web application development I tried both.  Plone was
 more intimidating to me than Drupal for the following reasons:

 1.  It was not based on a standard simple AMP Stack.  by AMP I mean
 Apache, MySQL, PHP.
 2.  I found the web site difficult to find tutorials and help, and the
 forums for newbies was not user friendly at least for me.
 3.  I was very new to high level scripting languages and PHP was and still
 is used more for web applications than Python.
 4.  By contrast not only did Drupal have easy to find tutorials for the
 framework but it even has tutorials on learning PHP.
 5.  There is a lot of information/documentation for modules.

 This was my experience three years ago.  Now before anyone goes crazy on
 me,  since this time I have come to really appreciate the elegance of
 python code in comparison to PHP, but at the time I new very little about
 it.  I believe that Plone is more extensible a framework than Drupal.  But
 here's a question does Plone have API's or modules to connect/extend it's
 capabilities with other applications like Alfresco, or Uberecart.  I know
 Plone is very powerful and scalable to very large enterprise level
 development, But then Drupal, combined with Alfresco, if
 developed/implemented efficiently can replace, and even convert much of
 traditional filesytem data such as docs and excel files and place the data
 in enterprise class CMS.

 Drupal is very flexible with style templating making it simple to
 modify/customize a web application to a specific customer.  They even have
 there own take on the CSS Zen Garden.  Because of this more web designers
 are getting into it for ease of site design without coding requirements.
 Drupal is also easily set up to run multiple sites through a single
 install.  With one installation you can host hundreds of sites as a VSP
 with minimal up keep.

 I really should look into Plone again because I am sure it can do most if
 not all of all I described above.  But of all of the communities I have
 experienced (considering forums, websites, tutorials, wiki's, and number of
 easy to access free modules) I like Drupal's over Joomla, Word Press, and
 Plone.  To me for open source apps, the apps community is everything.


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2012-01-25 Thread Mark Phillips
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 On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I installed plone just fine but in the readme one of the recommended
 programs is poppler. So I went to their d/l page and loaded it. So I unpack
 it and see it needs to be compiled. So I ./configure and it runs through a
 bunch of lines and then errors out saying:

  No package 'fontconfig' found
  Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
  installed software in a non-standard prefix.
  Alternatively, you may set the environment variables
 FONTCONFIG_CFLAGS
  and FONTCONFIG_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
  See the pkg-config man page for more details.

 Well I just ran updatedb and locate fontconfig and there are a bunch on
 the computer. So I suppose this means it is not looking for it. Can I just
 copy a file to the poppler folder?

 these are all the instances  of fontconfig that exist. on my computer.
 should I copy something somewhere?

 On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Mark Phillips

Re: Red Hat Certified Engineer Training

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Phillips
This article on Anki might help you with your studies.

https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/536896:teach-yourself-with-anki-open-source-flashcards-on-linux

Mark

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Bryan O'Neal 
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote:

 Wow. That sounds great! However Monday is not enough notice. When will
 the next round start?


 On 1/20/12, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote:
  Check with the Red Hat Academy at Estrella Community College.
  Monday will be the first day for the  review class for the Red Hat exam.
  The instructor for the class is Randy Larson.
  With Randy teaching it, it will be a great class to attend for a review.
  And it will not cost more than the typical Community Rates.
 
  Let me know if you need more info and I will try to get it for you.
  Thanks
  Mike Enriquez
 
 
  On 01/20/2012 09:56 AM, tho...@redhat.com wrote:
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  On 01/17/2012 04:35 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
  Where is the best Red Hat Certified Engineer Training here in
  town?
 
  Prices?  Schedule?  Test dates?
  http://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/
 
  You should also probably read through the certification FAQ:
 
  http://www.redhat.com/certification/faq/
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Re: drupal or plone

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Phillips
One point - zope/plone may be more secure than drupal. Searching the NVD (
http://web.nvd.nist.gov) for plone and drupal over the last three year,
plone had 11 reported vulnerabilities, and drupal had 218.

disclaimer - I have never used drupal, so I know nothing about it. I have
used zope/plone for a couple of years, and even though it has a steep
learning curve, I have found it to be very powerful and fun to use. The
plone community is very helpful and courteous.

Your question is a little bit like how high is up? The answer depends a lot
on the requirements of the project.

Please no flame wars on this topicI have no vested interest in either
framework.

Mark

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was reading about Drupal on wikipedia. This is a small portion of what
 it has to say:

  When compared to three other well-known open source CMS platforms
 covered by the
  MITRE CVE database, Drupal ranked second - after 
 Plonehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plone_%28software%29but before
 WordPress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPress and 
 Joomlahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla
 .[76] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal#cite_note-75

 So let's talk about Plone. Why was it ranked ahead of drupal? What is it
 about? What is the difference between the two? For those of you who have
 used both why do you prefer the platform you have chosen to go with?

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Re: drupal or plone

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Phillips
Mike,

I suggest you get a copy of Professional Plone 4 Development  by Martin
Aspeli (pakt) and join the plone users group. and follow that book. It
takes you from setting up your development environment to creating add on
products for Plone. It is very good, but you need a rudimentary knowledge
of python.

Installing Plone is easyrunning it is easy...simple changes are
easydeveloping new functionality takes some time to learn how to do it
correctly. Feel free to contact me off list for help. However, there are
many more knowledgeable plonistas on the Plone users' group email list.  ;)

Mark

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm checking out plone and I'm trying to download it right now. I need to
 download some addiitonal stuff too. They want me to d/l imagemagick but it
 seems to be a windows thing. Is there a linux equivalent that I'm supposed
 to d/l?


 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:48 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comwrote:


 I apologize for branching, however, am I reading that you find PHP
 developers more difficult to work with than python developers?

 That would be an interesting observation.

 
 Keith Smith

 --- On *Tue, 1/24/12, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: drupal or plone
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 2:57 PM


 The other aspect of things is there seems to be more python friendly
 folks out there and not as many php friendly, but that is only from my
 personal experience and may not be accurate outside of my own life.

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Michael Havens 
 bmi...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=bmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I was reading about Drupal on wikipedia. This is a small portion of
 what it
  has to say:
 
   When compared to three other well-known open source CMS platforms
  covered by the
   MITRE CVE database, Drupal ranked second - after Plone but before
  WordPress and Joomla.[76]
 
  So let's talk about Plone. Why was it ranked ahead of drupal? What is it
  about? What is the difference between the two? For those of you who have
  used both why do you prefer the platform you have chosen to go with?
 
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Re: drupal or plone

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Phillips
Forgot to add - use the unified installer for plone/zope/python from
plone.org. Don't use plone from your Linux distribution - it will be too
far out of date and many distros put the plone stuff in odd places, so it
makes it hard to use the documentation.

Mark

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Mark Phillips
m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 Mike,

 I suggest you get a copy of Professional Plone 4 Development  by Martin
 Aspeli (pakt) and join the plone users group. and follow that book. It
 takes you from setting up your development environment to creating add on
 products for Plone. It is very good, but you need a rudimentary knowledge
 of python.

 Installing Plone is easyrunning it is easy...simple changes are
 easydeveloping new functionality takes some time to learn how to do it
 correctly. Feel free to contact me off list for help. However, there are
 many more knowledgeable plonistas on the Plone users' group email list.  ;)

 Mark

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm checking out plone and I'm trying to download it right now. I need to
 download some addiitonal stuff too. They want me to d/l imagemagick but it
 seems to be a windows thing. Is there a linux equivalent that I'm supposed
 to d/l?


 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:48 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comwrote:


 I apologize for branching, however, am I reading that you find PHP
 developers more difficult to work with than python developers?

 That would be an interesting observation.

 
 Keith Smith

 --- On *Tue, 1/24/12, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: drupal or plone
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 2:57 PM


 The other aspect of things is there seems to be more python friendly
 folks out there and not as many php friendly, but that is only from my
 personal experience and may not be accurate outside of my own life.

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Michael Havens 
 bmi...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=bmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I was reading about Drupal on wikipedia. This is a small portion of
 what it
  has to say:
 
   When compared to three other well-known open source CMS platforms
  covered by the
   MITRE CVE database, Drupal ranked second - after Plone but before
  WordPress and Joomla.[76]
 
  So let's talk about Plone. Why was it ranked ahead of drupal? What is
 it
  about? What is the difference between the two? For those of you who
 have
  used both why do you prefer the platform you have chosen to go with?
 
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Re: drupal or plone

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Phillips
I am not sure if what you are doing is related to installing plone. The
easiest way to install Plone is to download the unified installer and run
that
http://launchpad.net/plone/4.1/4.1.3/+download/Plone-4.1.3-UnifiedInstaller.tgzor
http://plone.org/products/plone/releases/4.1.3.

Mark

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know where  I got the idea I needed imagemajic but any ways I'm
 trying to compile poppler. Well, I type in ./configure and  I get an error
 that there is no package 'fontconfig'.   Where do I get this package and do
 I put it in the poppler folder where the config file is. Or maybe I should
 put it in /usr  so it will be available to everyon. What do you think?


 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm checking out plone and I'm trying to download it right now. I need to
 download some addiitonal stuff too. They want me to d/l imagemagick but it
 seems to be a windows thing. Is there a linux equivalent that I'm supposed
 to d/l?


 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:48 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comwrote:


 I apologize for branching, however, am I reading that you find PHP
 developers more difficult to work with than python developers?

 he ide i NEEDEThat would be an interesting observation.

 
 Keith Smith

 --- On *Tue, 1/24/12, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: drupal or plone
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 2:57 PM


 The other aspect of things is there seems to be more python friendly
 folks out there and not as many php friendly, but that is only from my
 personal experience and may not be accurate outside of my own life.

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Michael Havens 
 bmi...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=bmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I was reading about Drupal on wikipedia. This is a small portion of
 what it
  has to say:
 
   When compared to three other well-known open source CMS platforms
  covered by the
   MITRE CVE database, Drupal ranked second - after Plone but before
  WordPress and Joomla.[76]
 
  So let's talk about Plone. Why was it ranked ahead of drupal? What is
 it
  about? What is the difference between the two? For those of you who
 have
  used both why do you prefer the platform you have chosen to go with?
 
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OT - Windows XP Installation CD

2012-01-01 Thread Mark Phillips
I have an old Dell server running Windows XP Pro, which has gotten so slow
that my best plan is to wipe it and re-install. I have the license tag on
the box but no CDs to install. The machine use to be a gaming machine for
my kids when they were younger, and they moved on to only needing iTunes.

Does anyone have a Windows XP Pro CD I can borrow? Can I download it from
somewhere on the net?

I assume this is legal, as I have the license, just not the media.

Thanks,

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Re: OT - Windows XP Installation CD

2012-01-01 Thread Mark Phillips
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 There are tons of sights with links to XP source:

 http://www.metacafe.com/watch/491686/installing_windows_xp_pro_including_free_legal_key/


The site appears to be deadI just get a blank page



 Be sure to get your key off your system: 
 http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstricks/ht/findxpkey.htm


Hard to miss the bright shiny tag on the top of the box! ;)



 http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windowsxp/f/download-windows-xp.htm


I found that site early on in my search. All it says is there are tons of
sites with Windows downloads..., but no links, and then it says to buy a
new copy from MS.


 All of the referenced download links are, of course, illegal therefore
 possibly warez sites with spam, trojans, virus, etc.

 Try to find someone with a DVD?


That was the point of my email.


 [I have one,  but I am not going to supply the use of it to anyone on a
 Linux list and I can't get it to you with my current schedule..]

 You should not need to use Windows for anything!


One has to use Windows or MacOS for iTunes and Windows for many Windows
games. Wine does not always work, and it does not work for iTunes.

Happy New Year!

Mark



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  wrote:

 I have an old Dell server running Windows XP Pro, which has gotten so
 slow that my best plan is to wipe it and re-install. I have the license tag
 on the box but no CDs to install. The machine use to be a gaming machine
 for my kids when they were younger, and they moved on to only needing
 iTunes.

 Does anyone have a Windows XP Pro CD I can borrow? Can I download it from
 somewhere on the net?

 I assume this is legal, as I have the license, just not the media.

 Thanks,

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Re: OT - Windows XP Installation CD

2012-01-01 Thread Mark Phillips
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote:

 From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
  Try to find someone with a DVD?

 This'd probably be the best bet if possible.

  You should not need to use Windows for anything!

 Real-world considerations mean that people sometimes HAVE to use Windows.
  The
 VPN at my work doesn't allow Linux users to connect to it.  They *could*
 allow
 Linux users to connect, but the people in charge of the VPN say that's a
 security risk, and they won't consider it.  If I need/want to work
 remotely,
 my only option is a Windows machine.  (Getting smarter people in charge of
 the VPN is not an option, sadly.)

 Also, what about games?  You may not play games, but lots of games only
 run on
 Windows.

 Mark Philips wrote:
  One has to use Windows or MacOS for iTunes

 gtkpod should work for managing the music/video/whatever on almost all
 iPods,
 and it's cross-platform.  Buying stuff via the Apple store may require
 iTunes
 itself--I don't know since I've never wanted to buy stuff from there.


Sadly, teenage daughters want to buy LOTS of music on iTunes, so it is a
requirement for living in our modern age..and I am out numbered 4 to 1!
Managing music is secondary.access to new music is the primary need for
iTunes. However, YouTube has helped ameliorate the cost of this addiction
somewhat.

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Re: OT - Windows XP Installation CD

2012-01-01 Thread Mark Phillips
Stephen,

There is a bright shiny Windows XP Pro license tag stuck on the top of the
machine. Where and when can we meet (dark alley, late at
night, preferably in the rain and no full moonneed to be safe from the
MS Police) to pick up the disk?

From what I have been reading online (may not be accurate), but back around
2007 the license was restricted to the machine and not the media (MS was
forced to accede this point by the courts). Hence, all the shiny license
tags on (at least) Dell machines. I have successfully installed
XP/2000/Windows 7 from vanilla media as long as the machine has a shiny
license tag for the appropriate OS.

Mark

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Technically The XP licence should be CD+Key+Manual, In the case of
 Dell they have their own Installer.

 If the System has a key on it then i actually have an XP pro cd you
 can use to restore your install. alternatively you can order a
 replacement cd from Dell. but it may cost something like 20 bux

 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:
  There are tons of sights with links to XP source:
 
 http://www.metacafe.com/watch/491686/installing_windows_xp_pro_including_free_legal_key/
 
  Be sure to get your key off your system:
  http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstricks/ht/findxpkey.htm
 
  http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windowsxp/f/download-windows-xp.htm
 
  All of the referenced download links are, of course, illegal therefore
  possibly warez sites with spam, trojans, virus, etc.
 
  Try to find someone with a DVD?
 
  [I have one,  but I am not going to supply the use of it to anyone on a
  Linux list and I can't get it to you with my current schedule..]
 
  You should not need to use Windows for anything!
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:
 
  I have an old Dell server running Windows XP Pro, which has gotten so
 slow
  that my best plan is to wipe it and re-install. I have the license tag
 on
  the box but no CDs to install. The machine use to be a gaming machine
 for my
  kids when they were younger, and they moved on to only needing iTunes.
 
  Does anyone have a Windows XP Pro CD I can borrow? Can I download it
 from
  somewhere on the net?
 
  I assume this is legal, as I have the license, just not the media.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Mark
 
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Looking for Laptop Recommendations

2011-12-31 Thread Mark Phillips
My daughter needs a new laptop for high school. It needs to run Debian or
Ubunrtu and have enough horsepower to run Windows XP in VMware Player for
iTunes. A refurbished machine is OK. I am mostly interested in what you
would recommend as minimum hardware specs (processor 7 RAM) for this
configuration. Also, if you have another suggestion for running Linux and
iTunes, I am all ears! ;)

Thanks!

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Re: How to Restrict a User's Access Using SFTP?

2011-12-29 Thread Mark Phillips
Eric,

The Debian equivalent to /sbin/nologin appears to be /bin/false. When I
tried that, I could not sftp or ssh or gain access to the machine in
anyway. I am not sure if there is another Debian shell that allows sftp but
not ssh.

Thanks!

Mark

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:

 That should be ok.

 Be sure you have your ftp server configured such that they cannot access
 folders above/across their home folder. File permissions may handle this,
 but probably will not (many things are world readable).

 Also, be sure that they cannot login to a command prompt by setting their
 login shell to /sbin/nologin (might vary with distro). This is commonly
 done for service accounts (apache, etc).


 On 12/28/2011 03:38 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Based on some constraints,
 your advice, some googling, I arrived at this set-up, but I am not sure
 how secure it is.

 1. The web creation software (iWeb on a Mac) only supports ftp and sftp
 to upload a site.
 2. iWeb does not support the use of versions for the web pages. By
 that I mean iWeb is strictly one way - create a site and publish it. It
 cannot import an iWeb site, it has to start at the beginning. One can
 create a site and publish it, then edit the site, and publish again, but
 it cannot import or use a previous version of the site as a starting
 point. (I mention this because Eric suggested using git, which sounded
 like a great idea, but alas

 I have this setup, but I could use some advice on how to make it more
 secure

 1. User account fred
 2. fred's home is /var/www/domain/fred
 3. /var/www/domain/fred has owner:group fred:fred
 4. Document root is /var/www/domain/fred

 Thanks,

 Mark

 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net
 mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote:

On 12/27/2011 10:46 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

I need to give a user access to my web server via sftp to upload
 web
site changes. What is the best way to do this? I have several other
sites on the same server, so I want to prevent them or anyone
else who
gains access to their account from being able to make changes to
those
sites or other parts of the server.

Thanks,

Mark


I use vsftp, which can be configured to allow users access only to
their web site's tree. sftp might be able to do the same.

Then, create their user such that their home directory is their web
site's directory, and they cannot log in to the system (only vsftp)
with an /etc/passwd entry like this:

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 http://domain.com/docs:/sbin/**nologinhttp://domain.com/docs:/sbin/nologin
 


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Re: How to Restrict a User's Access Using SFTP?

2011-12-29 Thread Mark Phillips
Ben

Thanks - that worked very well and looks very secure.

Which method is more secure/the right way to set up users with web
publishing rights -
a. create a link from a user's directory to a document root at
/var/www/domain/user
b. change document root to /home/user/www/site

Mark

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM, azlobo73 azlob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry - built-in OpenSSH chroot functionality


 On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:36 AM, azlobo73 azlob...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you can either relocate the vhost or the user home directory, then
 this might be of some help, which explains using built-in chroot
 functionality with sftp access to restrict access and visibility:
 http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590

 Ben


 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:

 That should be ok.

 Be sure you have your ftp server configured such that they cannot access
 folders above/across their home folder. File permissions may handle this,
 but probably will not (many things are world readable).

 Also, be sure that they cannot login to a command prompt by setting
 their login shell to /sbin/nologin (might vary with distro). This is
 commonly done for service accounts (apache, etc).


 On 12/28/2011 03:38 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Based on some constraints,
 your advice, some googling, I arrived at this set-up, but I am not sure
 how secure it is.

 1. The web creation software (iWeb on a Mac) only supports ftp and sftp
 to upload a site.
 2. iWeb does not support the use of versions for the web pages. By
 that I mean iWeb is strictly one way - create a site and publish it. It
 cannot import an iWeb site, it has to start at the beginning. One can
 create a site and publish it, then edit the site, and publish again, but
 it cannot import or use a previous version of the site as a starting
 point. (I mention this because Eric suggested using git, which sounded
 like a great idea, but alas

 I have this setup, but I could use some advice on how to make it more
 secure

 1. User account fred
 2. fred's home is /var/www/domain/fred
 3. /var/www/domain/fred has owner:group fred:fred
 4. Document root is /var/www/domain/fred

 Thanks,

 Mark

 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net
 mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote:

On 12/27/2011 10:46 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

I need to give a user access to my web server via sftp to upload
 web
site changes. What is the best way to do this? I have several
 other
sites on the same server, so I want to prevent them or anyone
else who
gains access to their account from being able to make changes to
those
sites or other parts of the server.

Thanks,

Mark


I use vsftp, which can be configured to allow users access only to
their web site's tree. sftp might be able to do the same.

Then, create their user such that their home directory is their web
site's directory, and they cannot log in to the system (only vsftp)
with an /etc/passwd entry like this:
vsftpuser:x:511:511::/var/__**vhosts/domain.com/docs:/sbin/_**
 _nologin http://domain.com/docs:/sbin/__nologin

 http://domain.com/docs:/sbin/**nologinhttp://domain.com/docs:/sbin/nologin
 


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Re: How to Restrict a User's Access Using SFTP?

2011-12-29 Thread Mark Phillips
Eric,

vsftp is in the Debian repositories, but the developer's tool does not use
it...only sftp or ftp. The program is iWeb on the mac.

However, the article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 did
the trick for me!

Mark

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:

 Oops. Sorry Mark. I forgot that you said sftp, which is part of OpenSSH.
 I'm using vsftp, which does not require a login shell. Probably why it's
 considered very secure. ;) I expect that if vsftp is in a debian repo,
 you could use that instead of sftp. vsftpd is stock in the RHEL repos.


 On 12/29/2011 08:04 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 Eric,

 The Debian equivalent to /sbin/nologin appears to be /bin/false. When I
 tried that, I could not sftp or ssh or gain access to the machine in
 anyway. I am not sure if there is another Debian shell that allows sftp
 but not ssh.

 Thanks!

 Mark

 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net
 mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote:

That should be ok.

Be sure you have your ftp server configured such that they cannot
access folders above/across their home folder. File permissions may
handle this, but probably will not (many things are world readable).

Also, be sure that they cannot login to a command prompt by setting
their login shell to /sbin/nologin (might vary with distro). This is
commonly done for service accounts (apache, etc).


On 12/28/2011 03:38 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Based on some
 constraints,
your advice, some googling, I arrived at this set-up, but I am
not sure
how secure it is.

1. The web creation software (iWeb on a Mac) only supports ftp
and sftp
to upload a site.
2. iWeb does not support the use of versions for the web pages.
 By
that I mean iWeb is strictly one way - create a site and publish
it. It
cannot import an iWeb site, it has to start at the beginning.
One can
create a site and publish it, then edit the site, and publish
again, but
it cannot import or use a previous version of the site as a
 starting
point. (I mention this because Eric suggested using git, which
sounded
like a great idea, but alas

I have this setup, but I could use some advice on how to make it
more
secure

1. User account fred
2. fred's home is /var/www/domain/fred
3. /var/www/domain/fred has owner:group fred:fred
4. Document root is /var/www/domain/fred

Thanks,

Mark

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net
mailto:e...@shubes.net
mailto:e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote:

On 12/27/2011 10:46 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

I need to give a user access to my web server via sftp
to upload web
site changes. What is the best way to do this? I have
several other
sites on the same server, so I want to prevent them or
anyone
else who
gains access to their account from being able to make
changes to
those
sites or other parts of the server.

Thanks,

Mark


I use vsftp, which can be configured to allow users access
only to
their web site's tree. sftp might be able to do the same.

Then, create their user such that their home directory is
their web
site's directory, and they cannot log in to the system (only
vsftp)
with an /etc/passwd entry like this:

  vsftpuser:x:511:511::/var/**vhosts/domain.com/docs:/sbin/_**
 ___nologin http://domain.com/docs:/sbin/nologin 
 http://domain.com/docs:/sbin/**__nologinhttp://domain.com/docs:/sbin/__nologin
 

 http://domain.com/docs:/sbin/**__nologinhttp://domain.com/docs:/sbin/__nologin


 http://domain.com/docs:/sbin/**nologinhttp://domain.com/docs:/sbin/nologin
 


Files in their web site are owned by their user, with read
permissions for 'other' (o+r), which allows apache (or nginx)
 to
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How to Restrict a User's Access Using SFTP?

2011-12-27 Thread Mark Phillips
I need to give a user access to my web server via sftp to upload web site
changes. What is the best way to do this? I have several other sites on the
same server, so I want to prevent them or anyone else who gains access to
their account from being able to make changes to those sites or other parts
of the server.

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Re: Merry Christmas to all

2011-12-24 Thread Mark Phillips
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!

Mark

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Need Help Printing Java Source Files in Color

2011-12-08 Thread Mark Phillips
I use 32bit Eclipse on an AMD64 Debian testing machine because Android
development requires 32 bit Eclipse. I am supposed to be able to print from
within Eclipse, but it does not work - it says it cannot find any printers.
This has been a long standing issue with Eclipse and GTK, and it was solved
a few versions ago. I have the 32bit gtk libraries installed, but it still
won't print. I have posted a question about this in the Eclipse forums.

There is also a way to print from within Eclipse using lpr from the command
line. However, I don't get the pretty colors that make reading the source
code easier. My question: Is there some program that I can pipe the .java
text file through and then send it to lpr so it prints the colorized
source file (and perhaps add a footer with a date, file name, etc.)?
Something that knows how to intelligently add color to a Java (or XML, or
Python or ...) source file?

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Re: need some visual help...

2011-11-30 Thread Mark Phillips
I called a few minutes ago, but you were busy. I hope it means someone is
helping you!

Good luck!

Mark

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Technomage Hawke 
technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:

 ok,
 I am going to need some visual assistance. I need to setup opensuse on a
 new HD and there appears to be no way for me to do so in a non-visual way.
 so if someone can get hold of me on Skype (technomage-hawke) I can start a
 video session and get the ball rolling.

 someone please help here.

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Re: need some visual help...

2011-11-30 Thread Mark Phillips
Eric,

Not sure if this will help, but it looks promising...

http://doc.opensuse.org/products/draft/SLES/SLES-deployment_sd_draft/cha.deployment.autoinst.html

Mark

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Technomage Hawke 
technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:

 I ended up out of the room for a bit. I am here now if you can still help.

 -eric

 On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

  I called a few minutes ago, but you were busy. I hope it means someone
 is helping you!
 
  Good luck!
 
  Mark
 
  On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Technomage Hawke 
 technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
  ok,
  I am going to need some visual assistance. I need to setup opensuse on a
 new HD and there appears to be no way for me to do so in a non-visual way.
 so if someone can get hold of me on Skype (technomage-hawke) I can start a
 video session and get the ball rolling.
 
  someone please help here.
 
  -eric
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Re: need some visual help...

2011-11-30 Thread Mark Phillips
Good luck!

Mark
On Nov 30, 2011 5:42 PM, Technomage Hawke technomage.ha...@gmail.com
wrote:

 that is a  lot of heavy reading. its mostly for the enterprise version but
 there is no reason why it shouldn't work here.

 -eric

 On Nov 30, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

  Eric,
 
  Not sure if this will help, but it looks promising...
 
 
 http://doc.opensuse.org/products/draft/SLES/SLES-deployment_sd_draft/cha.deployment.autoinst.html
 
  Mark
 
  On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Technomage Hawke 
 technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
  I ended up out of the room for a bit. I am here now if you can still
 help.
 
  -eric
 
  On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
 
   I called a few minutes ago, but you were busy. I hope it means someone
 is helping you!
  
   Good luck!
  
   Mark
  
   On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Technomage Hawke 
 technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
   ok,
   I am going to need some visual assistance. I need to setup opensuse on
 a new HD and there appears to be no way for me to do so in a non-visual
 way. so if someone can get hold of me on Skype (technomage-hawke) I can
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   someone please help here.
  
   -eric
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Re: Before I blow windows away....

2011-11-28 Thread Mark Phillips
Stephen,

One caveat with clonezilla - it cannot handle a disk to disk clone if the
source has 512 byte sectors and the destination has 4096 byte sectors. Many
of the new, larger, drives use 4096 byte sectors, and this is a problem
than clonezilla has not yet addressed (I have been waiting 6 months). Their
work around is to copy an image to another storage location, then copy the
image back to the destination. However, you end up with a 4096 byte sector
hard drive formatted with 512 byte sectors, and the accompanying loss
in performance.

Mark

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 In the future, if you have a need to backup an OS for possible later
 use i suggest looking at clonezilla. it will back up to Internal
 drive, usb, nfs, smb, or ftp and it uses dd to make a low level backup
 of your drive and partclone to map your partition layout and will do
 just about every Os i have run into including mac.

 An its not Microsoft, its the OEM vendors not shipping media, you can
 order replacement media usually for 10-20 bux to cover SH ect if you
 grumble enough they will sometimes just send it to you. and even then
 your 50/50 odds at getting restore media as opposed to install media.

 On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  I didn't care to keep windows. I blew it away!
 
  On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:
 
  Win 7 works just fine as a dual boot with Debian. It also plays very
 well
  in VMPlayer with Debian as the host.
  Mark
 
  On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Charles Lewton clewto...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Michael,
 
  If you have enough disk space, dual boot is a good option.  Or does 7
  not like dual boot?
 
  Chuck
 
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   Before I blow windows away I think I should make a copy of the hard
   drive
   in case I need to re-install it. How do I do that  and can I back up
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Re: Vmware Player Prevents Aptitude from Installing Packages

2011-11-26 Thread Mark Phillips
According to the vmware site (
http://www.vmware.com/products/player/faqs.html):

What can I do with VMware Player?

Use VMware Player to create, run, evaluate, and share software running in
virtual machines:

   - *Create*: Use VMware Player to create virtual machines with the latest
   32-bit and 64-bit Windows and Linux operating systems. With Easy Install
   it’s easier than installing them directly on your PC.
   - *Run*: VMware Player can be used by anyone to run virtual machines on
   a Windows or Linux PC. VMware Player makes it quick and easy to take
   advantage of the security, flexibility, and portability of virtual machines.
   - *Evaluate*: VMware Player is ideal for safely evaluating software
   distributed as a virtual appliance. Virtual appliances are pre-built,
   pre-configured and ready-to-run enterprise software applications packaged
   along with an operating system in a virtual machine. With VMware Player,
   anyone can quickly and easily experience the benefits of preconfigured
   products without any installation or configuration hassles. Run over 900
   virtual appliances from leading software vendors available from the VMware
   Virtual Appliance Marketplace http://www.vmware.com/appliances/.
   - *Share*: VMware Player can be used by anyone to run a virtual machine
   shared by a colleague or friend. For example, customer support and
   development teams can share a customer scenario encapsulated within a
   virtual machine.

So, I am using it as designed - to run Windows 7 in a VM under Debian.

The problem turned out to be the missing LSB in the script
vmware-USBArbitrator. I add theses lines to the script, and I was able to
install cups with no errors and run vmware.

### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:  vmware-USBArbitrator
# Required-Start:$remote_fs $syslog
# Required-Stop: $remote_fs $syslog
# Default-Start: 2 3 5
# Default-Stop:  2 3 5
# Short-Description: Start daemon when vmware starts
# Description:   Enable service provided by daemon.
### END INIT INFO

see http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot and
http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScriptsand in order for it to work you
have to be having a lucky day! ;)

Mark

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Technomage Hawke 
technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:

 the name player in the name of it is the biggest hint. the player is
 designed to show off or demonstrate an OS inside the VM. it is generally
 considered to be read only. you need a full version vmware server capable
 of running any OS in read-write mode). there is a free version
 vmware-server )I think it is the version 1 series) that you can still
 download from vmware. they make a version for both windows and linux. this
 free server doesn't have a corresponding kind on OS X. on that OS, you have
 to use VMware-fusion (and it is not free).

 hope this helps

 -eric

 On Nov 25, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

  I am running a fresh install of debian wheezy. I installed VMware Player
 4.0.1 build-528992 and then Windows 7 in a vm. Everything is working
 properly, until I tried to use aptitude to install foomatic-db-hpijs.
 VMware seems to be preventing aptitude from installing the debian packages.
 The error messages:
 
  root@orca:~# aptitude install foomatic-db-hpijs
  Note: selecting foomatic-db instead of the
virtual package foomatic-db-hpijs
  The following NEW packages will be installed:
foomatic-db
  The following partially installed packages will be configured:
cups
  0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.
  Need to get 0 B/1,248 kB of archives. After unpacking 6,966 kB will be
 used.
  Selecting previously unselected package foomatic-db.
  (Reading database ... 131007 files and directories currently installed.)
  Unpacking foomatic-db (from .../foomatic-db_20110831-1_all.deb) ...
  Setting up cups (1.5.0-12) ...
  insserv: warning: script 'K01vmware' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'S50vmware-USBArbitrator' missing LSB tags and
 overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'vmware-USBArbitrator' missing LSB tags and
 overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'vmware' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and
 therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
  insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and
 therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
  insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and
 therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
  insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and
 therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
  insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and
 therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
  insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and
 therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
  insserv

Re: Before I blow windows away....

2011-11-26 Thread Mark Phillips
Win 7 works just fine as a dual boot with Debian. It also plays very well
in VMPlayer with Debian as the host.

Mark

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Charles Lewton clewto...@gmail.comwrote:

 Michael,

 If you have enough disk space, dual boot is a good option.  Or does 7
 not like dual boot?

 Chuck

 On 11/25/11, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Before I blow windows away I think I should make a copy of the hard drive
  in case I need to re-install it. How do I do that  and can I back up the
  boot sector as well? I'll be backing up to a cd. Would I use dd?
 
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Re: oh my goodness....

2011-11-25 Thread Mark Phillips
Not as much as gnome 3
On Nov 25, 2011 11:23 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 even windows7 sucks!

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Re: Before I blow windows away....

2011-11-25 Thread Mark Phillips
Michael,

Look on the bottom of the machine, back of machine, top of machine, etc. -
you should see a MS sticker with the key if you got Windows pre-sintalled.

To create a backup, click start, click on all programs, click on
maintenance, click on make a backup. Be sure to make a restore cd when the
backup is complete. You will need a place to put the backup - a usb drive
would be the best place. You can also create backup CDs - it will tell you
how many you need.

Once you have the backup and restore CD, I suggest you restore to your
computer to make sure it worked. If it didn't, since it is brand new, you
should be able to get some support from the reseller or manufacturer.

Finally, once the backup is done, wipe the drive and install what you want.

Note - if you restore sometime in the future, it will wipe  your disk and
restore to what you backed up. The WHOLE disk, not just the Windows
partition.

Mark

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 They didn't give me a key!


 On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.netwrote:

 If it's a new pc, I wouldn't bother - it's all spy/adware/demo anyways im
 sure.  Otherwise just liveboot with a linux cd, pop in a usb drive, and
 rsync -avh the ntfs filesystem somewhere in case there's something you need
 you forgot.  I usually keep them a few weeks (or whatever if have the
 space) and end up deleting it later.

 It's easy enough to find a oem windoze cd online, just install in a vm
 with your key, and call microsoft to reset your wga for the vm - instant
 portable windoze.  This is what I've done with an xp image on
 vmware/virtuabox for a good 6-7 years now.  I don't need anything else
 considering it's a) always behind a nat for protection, b) never gets used
 to browse, and b) just runs visio.  If you move it around, just don't
 change the mac or hardware types much or it'll reset the wga bulls***.

 Really need something like a portable citrix xenapp for this kind of
 thing that doesn't cost a left arm or require infrastructure...

 -mb



 On 11/25/2011 11:36 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

 I thought to myself that I would keep Windows7  until it got loaded up
 with viri and spyware and all those nice things because I thought that
 there were things that would be cool to use for a bit. then I got
 the machine home! I don't even WANT any of the crap they got on there!

 On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
 mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Before I blow windows away I think I should make a copy of the hard
drive in case I need to re-install it. How do I do that  and can I
back up the boot sector as well? I'll be backing up to a cd. Would I
use dd?

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Vmware Player Prevents Aptitude from Installing Packages

2011-11-25 Thread Mark Phillips
I am running a fresh install of debian wheezy. I installed VMware Player
4.0.1 build-528992 and then Windows 7 in a vm. Everything is working
properly, until I tried to use aptitude to install foomatic-db-hpijs.
VMware seems to be preventing aptitude from installing the debian packages.
The error messages:

root@orca:~# aptitude install foomatic-db-hpijs
Note: selecting foomatic-db instead of the
  virtual package foomatic-db-hpijs
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  foomatic-db
The following partially installed packages will be configured:
  cups
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/1,248 kB of archives. After unpacking 6,966 kB will be used.
Selecting previously unselected package foomatic-db.
(Reading database ... 131007 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking foomatic-db (from .../foomatic-db_20110831-1_all.deb) ...
Setting up cups (1.5.0-12) ...
insserv: warning: script 'K01vmware' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'S50vmware-USBArbitrator' missing LSB tags and
overrides
insserv: warning: script 'vmware-USBArbitrator' missing LSB tags and
overrides
insserv: warning: script 'vmware' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore
on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and 

Re: Happy thanksgiving you all!

2011-11-24 Thread Mark Phillips
I second the motion - I hope everyone has a Happy and Filling
Thanksgiving!!!

Mark

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 I'm grateful for the advice and guidance you;ve given me. a
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Re: Need Virtualization Advice

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Phillips
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:

 To some earlier questions in this thread:

 The free version of VirtualBox can use USB devices though I think you have
 to install the Guest additions.

 You can convert your physical install to a virtual machine:
   https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows
   http://www.sysprobs.com/virtualbox-p2v-disk2vhd-errors-fix

 and for VMware:
   http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/

 I installed the vmware converter on my Windows partition and found that it
converts the entire disk...I stopped at that point because all I wanted is
the Windows partition (60 GB) and not the entire 750 GB disk with Windows
and Debian. Is there a way to use the converter just for the Windows
partition?

Mark
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Need Virtualization Advice

2011-11-22 Thread Mark Phillips
I have managed to fill up my laptop's dual boot (Win 7 and Debian testing)
320 GB drive, so I have a new shiny 750 GB drive to install. I have tried
to use Clonezilla, and it keeps failing because the old drive has 512 byte
sectors and the new drive has 4096 byte sectors. No problem; I will just
create a system image of the Windows partitions to move that to the new
drive, net install Debian testing, and copy over my user files.

However, I was thinking that I could get rid of the dual boot and just
virtualize the Windows partition. My questions -

1. Can I create a virtual version of my Windows 7 Home Premium using the
system recovery disk and the backup on my external usb drive? So far, it
installs to the new 750 GB drive with no issues. I don't have any original
media disks.

2. Vmware or Virtualbox? Do either one support usb so I can run iTunes on
my virtual Windows drive? A while ago I was able to get vmware to run off
of the Windows disk partition, but it seemed to break every time I ran an
upgrade on Debian, and it was a pain to get it to work each time. I don't
want to fiddle with this approach again, unless I have to.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Mark
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Re: Need Virtualization Advice

2011-11-22 Thread Mark Phillips
Derek,

Dell laptops no longer come with install media. Windows is installed and
all you can do is make a back up copy and a rescue disk. BTW, I live in
Phoenix, so your laws are my laws...but we don't share the same
in-laws.oh man, that was really terrible;)

Mark

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote:

  Mark I understand you don't have the install discs for windows 7.  This
 has me wondering if there is some copy protection scheme that makes it
 difficult to copy the windows 7 install disc(s).  If so is there a linux
 program that will get around it?

 Disclaimer:  I'm not condoning the use of pirated software in violation of
 any applicable laws where you live.  There is considerable expense involved
 in replacing a legit copy of any micro$oft OS.  So a backup would come in
 handy.

 On 11/22/2011 18:40, Mark Phillips wrote:

 I have managed to fill up my laptop's dual boot (Win 7 and Debian testing)
 320 GB drive, so I have a new shiny 750 GB drive to install. I have tried
 to use Clonezilla, and it keeps failing because the old drive has 512 byte
 sectors and the new drive has 4096 byte sectors. No problem; I will just
 create a system image of the Windows partitions to move that to the new
 drive, net install Debian testing, and copy over my user files.

  However, I was thinking that I could get rid of the dual boot and just
 virtualize the Windows partition. My questions -

  1. Can I create a virtual version of my Windows 7 Home Premium using the
 system recovery disk and the backup on my external usb drive? So far, it
 installs to the new 750 GB drive with no issues. I don't have any original
 media disks.

  2. Vmware or Virtualbox? Do either one support usb so I can run iTunes
 on my virtual Windows drive? A while ago I was able to get vmware to run
 off of the Windows disk partition, but it seemed to break every time I ran
 an upgrade on Debian, and it was a pain to get it to work each time. I
 don't want to fiddle with this approach again, unless I have to.

  Thanks for your suggestions!

  Mark





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Re: Need Virtualization Advice

2011-11-22 Thread Mark Phillips
Bryan,

As far as I know, Dell just says make a backup and recovery disk. It is the
very first step after powering on the device.

Mark

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Bryan O'Neal 
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote:

 FYI If you want a disk from dell just call them up and ask for one. I
 am not sure if you need to be under support or not since I have always
 done it right off. Also (thus far ) all dell install media I have ever
 gotten works on all Dell machines. But I also buy the business grade
 machines for home use.

 On 11/22/11, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Have you ever read Spider Robinson's Callahan's Place stories?  At
  Callahan's place there's a tradition of the patrons throwing handfulls
  of peanuts at someone who makes a really bad pun.  Don't worry.  I can't
  throw peanuts that far and in current financial state I'd eat peanuts
  rather than throw them at you.
 
  About your laptop.  I know that for years PC makers have put the data
  needed to restore the computer to its from the factory state in a
  hidden partition on the drive.  I didn't know they were no longer
  including a disc to use in case the hard drive goes belly up.  Remind me
  not to buy a Dell.  I want a disc so I can reinstall it after the hard
  drive goes up in smoke. If I'm going to pay for windows, they can spend
  an extra 50 cents to include a dvd.
 
  On 11/22/2011 21:33, Mark Phillips wrote:
  Derek,
 
  Dell laptops no longer come with install media. Windows is installed
  and all you can do is make a back up copy and a rescue disk. BTW, I
  live in Phoenix, so your laws are my laws...but we don't share the
  same in-laws.oh man, that was really terrible;)
 
  Mark
 
  On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Derek Trotter
  expat.arizo...@gmail.com mailto:expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Mark I understand you don't have the install discs for windows 7.
  This has me wondering if there is some copy protection scheme that
  makes it difficult to copy the windows 7 install disc(s).  If so
  is there a linux program that will get around it?
 
  Disclaimer:  I'm not condoning the use of pirated software in
  violation of any applicable laws where you live.  There is
  considerable expense involved in replacing a legit copy of any
  micro$oft OS.  So a backup would come in handy.
 
  On 11/22/2011 18:40, Mark Phillips wrote:
  I have managed to fill up my laptop's dual boot (Win 7 and Debian
  testing) 320 GB drive, so I have a new shiny 750 GB drive to
  install. I have tried to use Clonezilla, and it keeps failing
  because the old drive has 512 byte sectors and the new drive has
  4096 byte sectors. No problem; I will just create a system image
  of the Windows partitions to move that to the new drive, net
  install Debian testing, and copy over my user files.
 
  However, I was thinking that I could get rid of the dual boot and
  just virtualize the Windows partition. My questions -
 
  1. Can I create a virtual version of my Windows 7 Home Premium
  using the system recovery disk and the backup on my external usb
  drive? So far, it installs to the new 750 GB drive with no
  issues. I don't have any original media disks.
 
  2. Vmware or Virtualbox? Do either one support usb so I can run
  iTunes on my virtual Windows drive? A while ago I was able to get
  vmware to run off of the Windows disk partition, but it seemed to
  break every time I ran an upgrade on Debian, and it was a pain to
  get it to work each time. I don't want to fiddle with this
  approach again, unless I have to.
 
  Thanks for your suggestions!
 
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OT: Weirdness With WiFi Access Point

2011-09-21 Thread Mark Phillips
I setup a new Roku box with an older DL-524 WiFi access point (channel 3
with security running). I noticed that fairly often the Roku looses the
signal from the DL-524 and the show I am watching stops. I used a WiFi
analyzer on my Android phone and noticed that the signal strength from the
DL-524 varies from -50 dbm to -70 dbm, with an occasional spike to -100 dbm
over about a 10 minute period.

I have another access point at the other end of the house (WRT54G, channel
11 with security running), and it shows a +/- 10dbm variation in signal
strength with a few spikes to -100 dbm in a 10 minute period as well. The
-100 dmb spikes between the two devices do not seem to be correlated.

1. Is this behavior normal for WiFi access points?
2. Could the Android WiFi analyzer be the cause of this strange behavior?
3. Do I need a new access point for Netflix? Any brand recommendations?

Thanks!

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Re: OT: Weirdness With WiFi Access Point

2011-09-21 Thread Mark Phillips
Stephen,

Thanks for your comments. My Android WiFi analyzer only shows three channels
- the two in my house (channels 3, 11) and a linksys next door (channel 1).
The linksys next door has a max signal strength of around -90 dbm on a good
day. I will try switching my DL-524 to channel 5 to see if there is any
change. BTW, both the DL-524 and WRT54G are g devices.

Thanks!

Mark

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check the Channels you are running on. If you are using a channel that
 has allot of surrounding traffic that would explain why as they try to
 shout and be heard over each-other.

 If you cna find some unused channels or at least lightly populated
 you should get better results.

 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Mark Phillips
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:
  I setup a new Roku box with an older DL-524 WiFi access point (channel 3
  with security running). I noticed that fairly often the Roku looses the
  signal from the DL-524 and the show I am watching stops. I used a WiFi
  analyzer on my Android phone and noticed that the signal strength from
 the
  DL-524 varies from -50 dbm to -70 dbm, with an occasional spike to -100
 dbm
  over about a 10 minute period.
 
  I have another access point at the other end of the house (WRT54G,
 channel
  11 with security running), and it shows a +/- 10dbm variation in signal
  strength with a few spikes to -100 dbm in a 10 minute period as well. The
  -100 dmb spikes between the two devices do not seem to be correlated.
 
  1. Is this behavior normal for WiFi access points?
  2. Could the Android WiFi analyzer be the cause of this strange behavior?
  3. Do I need a new access point for Netflix? Any brand recommendations?
 
  Thanks!
 
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OT: Netflix and Linux and LAN

2011-09-13 Thread Mark Phillips
I am thinking of getting Netflix, and I am trying to figure out how to
distribute it to several TVs in the house, and I was wondering if anyone
else has solved this problem. We currently have cox Internet and cable.

The options I found revolve around buying one of a variety of boxes for
each TV and have them access netflix via WiFi. The boxes include googleTV,
ROKU, Wii, etc. It looks to me that the ROKU boxes are the least expensive
and offer access to the most services. Anyone have any experience doing
this? Any major pitfalls to watch out for? Is WiFi fast enough for streaming
video, or should I get the more expensive boxes and use a wired LAN?

Are there any Linux options for distributing Netflix shows over a LAN? I
read that the DRM software used by Netflix is incompatible with Linux, so
perhaps this is a non-starter?

Thanks for sharing any experiences you may have had with Netflix, Linux, and
LANs.

Mark
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Re: Need Help Cloning a Drive

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Phillips
Well, the saga continues.

I tried going the MS routeI hooked up a usb drive and created a system
image and a recovery disk from the Windows 7 partition that came with the
laptop. I then booted with the new 750 GB drive using the Windows recovery
disk and restored the image that was save earlier. I then booted into
Windows and that worked! I was thinking I would just re-install Debian and
then copy over my data from the old drive. However, when I booted into a
Knoppix disk and ran gparted, I discovered that Windows had created an image
of the whole drive - Linux and all! However, being Windoze, it failed to
take into account the difference in partition sizes, and force my new shiny
drive to use 512 b sectors! This is what fdisk reveals:

Disk /dev/sda: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   1   5   40131   de  Dell Utility
Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.
/dev/sda2   *   6191815367  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda31918701740963092+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda47018   38913   2562046205  Extended
Partition 4 does not start on physical sector boundary.
/dev/sda57018   37615   245778403+  83  Linux
/dev/sda6   37616   3891310426153+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
Partition 6 does not start on physical sector boundary.

Note the sector size line

So, now I have two problems to solve.

1. How do I fix the drive so it uses the same sector size for logical and
physical sectors? I have seen studies that show setting up a drive like this
is very inefficient when it comes to reading the drive.

2. How do I reinstall grub from the Knoppix disk so I have my dual boot back
in operation?

Thanks for all your suggestions!!

Mark

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Joseph Sinclair
plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote:

 I feared this might be the case; clonezilla just isn't quite ready for the
 new sector sizes.

 The best suggestion I can make from here is to create a partition table by
 hand on the destination drive that has the partition sizes and layout you
 want, then transfer the data one partition at a time.
 You'll probably have to install GRUB in the MBR on the new drive to make it
 bootable.
 Someone else here probably knows how to do this better than I do, but
 here's my take:
 1) transfer all the data
 2) remove the old drive and put the new drive in place
 3) boot from a live rescue type CD (the latest system rescue CD works
 well here)
 4) mount the new drive root partition and chroot to it's mount point.
 5) check and adjust /etc/fstab to mount all of the other partitions in the
 correct places.  Make sure you use UUID's for this, as System Rescue CD
 creates odd device names sometimes.
 6) mount everything like you would when running (this may not be required,
 but it's just for completeness)
 7) check everything looks like you expect.
 8) verify /boot is correct and has the correct kernel(s)
 9) check your grub configuration in /etc
 10) run the grub installer and grub configuration to install GRUB on the
 MBR of the new drive, and setup the GRUB menu/configuration/modules to boot
 properly.
 11) exit the chroot, shutdown the system, pull out the rescue CD, and
 reboot.
 *) You should now have a bootable clone drive, if everything worked.

 Note: If you have Windows in dual boot on the old drive it almost certainly
 won't be bootable on the new drive and will need to be reinstalled.


 On 07/19/2011 10:03 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  Well, using the proportional clone option in clonezilla failed as well.
 
  These are the drives I have:
  orca:/home/mark# fdisk -l
 
  Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
  Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f
 
 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1   1   5   40131   de  Dell Utility
  /dev/sda2   *   6191815367  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sda31918701740963092+   7  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sda47018   38913   256204620 5  Extended
  /dev/sda5   *7018   37615   245778403+  83  Linux
  /dev/sda6   37616   3891310426153+  82  Linux swap /
 Solaris
  Note: sector size is 4096 (not 512)
 
  Disk /dev/sdb: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes
  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 11400 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 4096 = 65802240 bytes
  Sector size (logical/physical): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
  I/O size (minimum/optimal

Re: Is it possible to extract the root password from the file system?

2011-07-19 Thread Mark Phillips
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you SSH as the hammerhead user?

No
mark@orca:~/Desktop/buffalo_nas$ ssh hammerh...@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Password:
Connection to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx closed by remote host.
Connection to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx closed.


 When you FTP as the hammerhead user, can you move the script.php file to
 the htdocs directory?  It has 777 permissions, so should be able to open it
 / drop a file there.

Yes, I can, and it does execute.


 If you can get a PHP file uploaded and able to execute properly, perhaps a
 PHP based shell could help?

I am not a php guy.I don't know how to do this.

I tried a script to allow ssh without password for anyone. It seems to have
written the file, however, I still cannot ssh in as root. Note: this is my
first php script; the pint statements helped me debug and see if it was
working.

?php
echo starting...br;
$filename = '/etc/pam.d/sshd';
$fh = fopen($filename, 'w+') or die(can't open file);
$contents = fread($fh, 1000);
echo ..file contents:br $contentsbr;

$stringData = account  required   pam_unix.so\n;
$fw = fwrite($fh, $stringData);
if ($fw == false)
echo ...#1 no luck writing filebr;
else
echo ...wrote $fw bytes: '$stringData'br;

$stringData = session  required   pam_unix.so\n;
$fw = fwrite($fh, $stringData);
if ($fw == false)
echo ...#2 no luck writing filebr;
else
echo ...wrote $fw bytes: '$stringData'br;

$stringData = auth required pam_permit.so\n;
$fw = fwrite($fh, $stringData);
if ($fw == false)
echo ...#3 no luck writing filebr;
else
echo ...wrote $fw bytes: '$stringData'br;

rewind($fh);
$contents = fread($fh, 1000);
echo ...final file contents:br $contentsbr;

fclose($fh);
echo done!br;
?

Output from the script:
starting...
..file contents:

...wrote 32 bytes: 'account required pam_unix.so '
...wrote 32 bytes: 'session required pam_unix.so '
...wrote 28 bytes: 'auth required pam_permit.so '
...final file contents:
account required pam_unix.so session required pam_unix.so auth required
pam_permit.so
done!

One strange behaviorwhen I re-run the script, I expected to see the
contents of the file displayed after 'starting...' above, but it always
comes back blank, and I still cannot login using ssh

I did this:
1. restart the nas
2. run script
3. I get this ouput:
mark@orca:~/Desktop/buffalo_nas$ ssh r...@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Connection closed by xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

4. reset nas again
5 I get this ouput:
mark@orca:~/Desktop/buffalo_nas$ ssh r...@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Password:
Password:
Password:

Then all I get when I try to ssh in is Connection closed.

Does anyone have any php scripts to hack this box and give me root access
via ssh?

Thanks!

Mark


 -- Dan.

 On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 I believe the script.php has to be moved the webroot directory and given
 permissions there I believe, but well if you can't get a login via ssh... --
 how to do it?


 On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Lisa Kachold 
 lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 There are alot of password files and dictionary lists on various sites.
 Backtrack5 contains a good number.

 But I imagine that it's either not allowing root via ssh or you have the
 wrong username.


 It turns out the box is smarter than a fifth grader.after a few hydra
 attacks, it started rejecting all the hydra attempts to ssh in via root.
 Once I stopped hydra (after running all night), it took a couple of hours
 before it would respond to ssh attempts from root. It now will ask for the
 root password, but I still have no idea what it is.


 Or it's a truely random string.

 It could bethe password for the zip file to unzip the file system is

  YvSInIQopeipx66t_DCdfEvfP47qeVPhNhAuSYmA4

 . Someone retrieved it using a disassembler on the file system.

 I did some more reading, and one person was able to use php to allow ssh
 login. The box allows one to create a web space, and it comes with php
 installed. One can edit the php.ini file, and I can upload via ftp a php
 script. The script they suggested is:
 ?php
 $file = '../../../../etc/pam.d/sshd';
 $fh=fopen($file, 'w') or die(can't open file);
 $stringData = account  required   pam_unix.so\n;
 fwrite($fh, $stringData);
 $stringData = session  required   pam_unix.so\n;
 fwrite($fh, $stringData);
 $stringData = auth required pam_permit.so\n;
 fwrite($fh, $stringData);
 fclose($fh);
 ?

 I uploaded the script, but I get a 404 File not Found when I access the
 page. I thought it might be a file permission error since the file is only
 rw. I tried chmod 777 at the ftp prompt, and got the error message File not
 Found, but ls shows it is there.

 ftp ls
 200 PORT command successful
 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
 drwxrwxrwx   2 apache   apache  6 Jul 17 08:23 cgi-bin
 drwxrwxrwx   2 apache   apache 22 Jul 17 08:23 htdocs

Re: Need Help Cloning a Drive

2011-07-19 Thread Mark Phillips
Well, using the proportional clone option in clonezilla failed as well.

These are the drives I have:
orca:/home/mark# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   1   5   40131   de  Dell Utility
/dev/sda2   *   6191815367  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda31918701740963092+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda47018   38913   2562046205  Extended
/dev/sda5   *7018   37615   245778403+  83  Linux
/dev/sda6   37616   3891310426153+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
Note: sector size is 4096 (not 512)

Disk /dev/sdb: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 11400 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 4096 = 65802240 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x4ae6

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
orca:/home/mark#

The proportional setting got as far as creating the partition table and
sda1. But then when it started on sda2, it failed saying there was no
partition for sdb2, and so on for sdb3 - sdb6; these partitions did not
exist. But that is what I thought cloning the proportional partition table
was supposed to take into account. Clonezilla also reported that the target
is smaller than the source, which is true based on sector counts if you
don't take the size of the sectors into account.

Googling for 'linux clone hard drive different sector size' and similar
strings did not yield any helpful strategies.

I would love to turn this wonderful 750 GB hard drive into something useful.
Does anyone have some suggestions for cloning a 512b sector drive to a 4096b
sector drive?

Thanks,

Mark

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Mark Phillips
m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 Joseph,

 Thanks. I thought that might be a problem, and clonezilla has the option
 for a proportional partition table. I will try that tonight.

 Mark


 On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Joseph Sinclair 
 plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote:

 You're dealing with something that's affecting more people.
 The old drive has what *was* the normal sector size for MANY years, 512
 bytes.
 The new drive has what *is now* becoming standard, 4096 bytes.

 The 'use the partition table from the source' option in clonezilla is not
 going to work.
 You CANNOT use a partition table for a 512 byte sector size directly on a
 disk with 4096 byte sectors.  The partition table records a number of
 sectors, and you're copying it without translation, so the new drive thinks
 it has partitions 8 times the size of the old; and the later ones run off
 the end of the disk.
 I'm not familiar with clonezilla, but I think there are options to
 configure a destination partition table proportional to the source. That's
 a bit more complex, but it's probably the only way to make it work with your
 situation.

 Hopefully that helps.

 ==Joseph++

 On 07/17/2011 10:57 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  Well, Clonezilla is having problems cloning my drive.
 
  I first booted into Debian and created one big ext3 partition on the new
  drive (750 GB), old drive is 320 GB. Then fired up Clonzilla. I took all
 the
  defaults, chose device to device, expert, and local disk to local disk,
 and
  chose sda as the source and sdb as the target. l kept the default
 options:
  -g auto -e1 auto -e2 -j2 -v, and 'use the partition table from the
 source'.
  I get a' successfully wrote partition table'. Then I get the Error
 can't
  have a partition outside disk and Clonezilla dies. Here is what I get
 with
  fdisk after booting back into Debian
 
  orca:/home/mark# fdisk -l
 
  Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
  Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f
 
 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1   1   5   40131   de  Dell Utility
  /dev/sda2   *   6191815367  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sda31918701740963092+   7  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sda47018   38913   256204620 5  Extended
  /dev/sda5   *7018   37615   245778403+  83  Linux
  /dev/sda6   37616   3891310426153+  82  Linux swap /
 Solaris
  Note: sector size is 4096 (not 512)
  Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5
  Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5
  Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5
  Warning: invalid flag 0xbfbb of partition table 5

Re: Need Help Cloning a Drive

2011-07-18 Thread Mark Phillips
Joseph,

Thanks. I thought that might be a problem, and clonezilla has the option for
a proportional partition table. I will try that tonight.

Mark

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
 wrote:

 You're dealing with something that's affecting more people.
 The old drive has what *was* the normal sector size for MANY years, 512
 bytes.
 The new drive has what *is now* becoming standard, 4096 bytes.

 The 'use the partition table from the source' option in clonezilla is not
 going to work.
 You CANNOT use a partition table for a 512 byte sector size directly on a
 disk with 4096 byte sectors.  The partition table records a number of
 sectors, and you're copying it without translation, so the new drive thinks
 it has partitions 8 times the size of the old; and the later ones run off
 the end of the disk.
 I'm not familiar with clonezilla, but I think there are options to
 configure a destination partition table proportional to the source. That's
 a bit more complex, but it's probably the only way to make it work with your
 situation.

 Hopefully that helps.

 ==Joseph++

 On 07/17/2011 10:57 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  Well, Clonezilla is having problems cloning my drive.
 
  I first booted into Debian and created one big ext3 partition on the new
  drive (750 GB), old drive is 320 GB. Then fired up Clonzilla. I took all
 the
  defaults, chose device to device, expert, and local disk to local disk,
 and
  chose sda as the source and sdb as the target. l kept the default
 options:
  -g auto -e1 auto -e2 -j2 -v, and 'use the partition table from the
 source'.
  I get a' successfully wrote partition table'. Then I get the Error can't
  have a partition outside disk and Clonezilla dies. Here is what I get
 with
  fdisk after booting back into Debian
 
  orca:/home/mark# fdisk -l
 
  Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
  Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f
 
 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1   1   5   40131   de  Dell Utility
  /dev/sda2   *   6191815367  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sda31918701740963092+   7  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sda47018   38913   256204620 5  Extended
  /dev/sda5   *7018   37615   245778403+  83  Linux
  /dev/sda6   37616   3891310426153+  82  Linux swap /
 Solaris
  Note: sector size is 4096 (not 512)
  Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5
  Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5
  Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5
  Warning: invalid flag 0xbfbb of partition table 5 will be corrected by
  w(rite)
 
  Disk /dev/sdb: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes
  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 11400 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 4096 = 65802240 bytes
  Sector size (logical/physical): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
  I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f
 
 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sdb1   1   5  321048   de  Dell Utility
  Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.
  /dev/sdb2   *   61918   122887  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sdb319187017   3277047407  HPFS/NTFS
  /dev/sdb47018   38913  20496369605  Extended
  Partition 4 does not start on physical sector boundary.
  /dev/sdb5   ?   82628  130208  3057478824   48  Unknown
  orca:/home/mark#
 
  Any ideas how I can fix this error and clone my drive to the new drive?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Mark
 
  On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Woo hoo!
  On Jul 17, 2011 11:55 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:
  I took a look at clonezilla again, and found an amd64 iso in clonezilla
  testing. I tried that one, and it worked on my laptop. I will try a
 clone
  tonight (I like to make my laptop work while I sleep;) ), so I will
  let
  you know in the morning. Perhaps the ubuntu version was not amd64 and
  that
  may be why it barfed? I tried the CD on a another machine (i386) and it
  booted up OK.
 
  As of right now, it is humming along nicely on the old drive.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Mark
 
  On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Mark Phillips
  m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:
 
 
 
  On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Mark Phillips 
  m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
  wrote:
 
  I tried the alt media and it did not work. - 20110530-natty,
 
 
  Mark
 
 
  On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I have never seen that. It has run on a wild array of hardware. Try
  thealt media based on Ubuntu. You might have better results
  On Jul 17, 2011 8:46 AM, Mark Phillips 
 m

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