How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
Apparently gmail will not allow anyone to send a test email message to themselves ... apparently not even from a separate gmail account? So how can one test to see if a given email address or alias is working? What other email/webmail options do not have this inconvenient quirk? I'm about fed up with gmail. One of the most annoying things is that it is (apparently) impossible to create filters that will actually delete (rather than just move garbage emails to trash). This is ridiculous. I'm still getting 100+ garbage spams plus 100+ emails in trash every day and I have to go through all these to make sure that there is nothing in there that should not be; and almost every day I find one or two items in both spam and in trash that should not be there. Valid items in trash are my error/responsibility because of my aggressive filtering efforts. This problem could be minimized if not entirely resolved if I only had the ability to actually create a delete forever filter for some of the most offensive garbage. Is there any email/web mail service that allows one to create filters that will either send an item to trash *OR* absolutely delete forever those most offensive and repetitve nuisance garbage items that keep filling up my email? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
Josef Lowder wrote: I'm about fed up with gmail. One of the most annoying things is that it is (apparently) impossible to create filters that will actually delete (rather than just move garbage emails to trash). This is ridiculous. I'm still getting 100+ garbage spams plus 100+ emails in trash every day and I have to go through all these to make sure that there is nothing in there that should not be; and almost every day I find one or two items in both spam and in trash that should not be there. Valid items in trash are my error/responsibility because of my aggressive filtering efforts. This problem could be minimized if not entirely resolved if I only had the ability to actually create a delete forever filter for some of the most offensive garbage. If your current filters are failing and moving legit emails to trash, wouldn't the delete forever filter be a bad idea? :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
On 1/9/09, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Josef Lowder wrote: I'm about fed up with gmail. One of the most annoying things is that it is (apparently) impossible to create filters that will actually delete (rather than just move garbage emails to trash). This is ridiculous. I'm still getting 100+ garbage spams plus 100+ emails in trash every day and I have to go through all these to make sure that there is nothing in there that should not be; and almost every day I find one or two items in both spam and in trash that should not be there. Valid items in trash are my error/responsibility because of my aggressive filtering efforts. This problem could be minimized if not entirely resolved if I only had the ability to actually create a delete forever filter for some of the most offensive garbage. If your current filters are failing and moving legit emails to trash, wouldn't the delete forever filter be a bad idea? :-) No, because, as I explained above, I would l only use a delete forever filter on the most offensive subject word-strings. For other subject word-strings where I may be most aggressive in filtering, I would only send those items to trash. And thus, I would have a much smaller number of trashed items to have to scan through. For example, for a while, I was getting hundreds of garbage spam that had the word from in the subject line, so I filtered all of those to trash so I didn't have to deal with them in my inbox. But then, when time permitted, I would scan through the trash and usually found 1 or 2 legitimate email messages (among the hundreds of non-legitimate messages with the word from in the subject line). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
interestingly i have had no issues sending email to myself, i do so frequently to save links and the like when im out. i also am useing only gmail's built-in filters and have created none of my own. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: On 1/9/09, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Josef Lowder wrote: I'm about fed up with gmail. One of the most annoying things is that it is (apparently) impossible to create filters that will actually delete (rather than just move garbage emails to trash). This is ridiculous. I'm still getting 100+ garbage spams plus 100+ emails in trash every day and I have to go through all these to make sure that there is nothing in there that should not be; and almost every day I find one or two items in both spam and in trash that should not be there. Valid items in trash are my error/responsibility because of my aggressive filtering efforts. This problem could be minimized if not entirely resolved if I only had the ability to actually create a delete forever filter for some of the most offensive garbage. If your current filters are failing and moving legit emails to trash, wouldn't the delete forever filter be a bad idea? :-) No, because, as I explained above, I would l only use a delete forever filter on the most offensive subject word-strings. For other subject word-strings where I may be most aggressive in filtering, I would only send those items to trash. And thus, I would have a much smaller number of trashed items to have to scan through. For example, for a while, I was getting hundreds of garbage spam that had the word from in the subject line, so I filtered all of those to trash so I didn't have to deal with them in my inbox. But then, when time permitted, I would scan through the trash and usually found 1 or 2 legitimate email messages (among the hundreds of non-legitimate messages with the word from in the subject line). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
I email myself all the time. I also use the base spam filtering. It works very well for me. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: interestingly i have had no issues sending email to myself, i do so frequently to save links and the like when im out. i also am useing only gmail's built-in filters and have created none of my own. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: On 1/9/09, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Josef Lowder wrote: I'm about fed up with gmail. One of the most annoying things is that it is (apparently) impossible to create filters that will actually delete (rather than just move garbage emails to trash). This is ridiculous. I'm still getting 100+ garbage spams plus 100+ emails in trash every day and I have to go through all these to make sure that there is nothing in there that should not be; and almost every day I find one or two items in both spam and in trash that should not be there. Valid items in trash are my error/responsibility because of my aggressive filtering efforts. This problem could be minimized if not entirely resolved if I only had the ability to actually create a delete forever filter for some of the most offensive garbage. If your current filters are failing and moving legit emails to trash, wouldn't the delete forever filter be a bad idea? :-) No, because, as I explained above, I would l only use a delete forever filter on the most offensive subject word-strings. For other subject word-strings where I may be most aggressive in filtering, I would only send those items to trash. And thus, I would have a much smaller number of trashed items to have to scan through. For example, for a while, I was getting hundreds of garbage spam that had the word from in the subject line, so I filtered all of those to trash so I didn't have to deal with them in my inbox. But then, when time permitted, I would scan through the trash and usually found 1 or 2 legitimate email messages (among the hundreds of non-legitimate messages with the word from in the subject line). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Josef Lowder wrote: On 1/9/09, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Josef Lowder wrote: I'm about fed up with gmail. One of the most annoying things is that it is (apparently) impossible to create filters that will actually delete (rather than just move garbage emails to trash). This is ridiculous. I'm still getting 100+ garbage spams plus 100+ emails in trash every day and I have to go through all these to make sure that there is nothing in there that should not be; and almost every day I find one or two items in both spam and in trash that should not be there. Valid items in trash are my error/responsibility because of my aggressive filtering efforts. This problem could be minimized if not entirely resolved if I only had the ability to actually create a delete forever filter for some of the most offensive garbage. If your current filters are failing and moving legit emails to trash, wouldn't the delete forever filter be a bad idea? :-) No, because, as I explained above, I would l only use a delete forever filter on the most offensive subject word-strings. For other subject word-strings where I may be most aggressive in filtering, I would only send those items to trash. And thus, I would have a much smaller number of trashed items to have to scan through. For example, for a while, I was getting hundreds of garbage spam that had the word from in the subject line, so I filtered all of those to trash so I didn't have to deal with them in my inbox. But then, when time permitted, I would scan through the trash and usually found 1 or 2 legitimate email messages (among the hundreds of non-legitimate messages with the word from in the subject line). Based on this, and on your previous emails on this topic, it really seems that you're trying to re-implement the (fairly sophisticated) spam filter with simple string matching. I guess I don't understand why it's worth the effort. I suspect it creates more problems than it solves, and your emails on this topic seem to support that inference. I thought the idea of GMail was that you never really delete anything. It all just sits there, and the search features they offer allow you to easily access things in that otherwise-unmanageable pile of email. I don't use it, so I'm not sure, but I thought that was how it worked. If you want a different webmail, I can say I've been happy with Yahoo! mail since about 1998. alex PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
My experience is the same. I mail myself things all the time without any problems. I'd double check your custom filters. Sent from my Android phone On Jan 9, 2009 2:09 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: interestingly i have had no issues sending email to myself, i do so frequently to save links and the like when im out. i also am useing only gmail's built-in filters and have created none of my own. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: On 1/9/09, Charles Jones... -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.p... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
I am not saying i get 0 spam, but 99% of all ofit is in the spam filter, so its 2 clicks to wipe. i still prefer to skim the topics before final deletion, however the google spam filter is trainable. you keep marking it spam and it will figure it out and mark it accordingly. i have things that after about a week or so of marking spam now properly go there... even did it to a legit list to see if i could. and it worked. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Micah DesJardins mica...@gmail.com wrote: My experience is the same. I mail myself things all the time without any problems. I'd double check your custom filters. Sent from my Android phone On Jan 9, 2009 2:09 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: interestingly i have had no issues sending email to myself, i do so frequently to save links and the like when im out. i also am useing only gmail's built-in filters and have created none of my own. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: On 1/9/09, Charles Jones... -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.p... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
Same here, I send to myself with no problems. But I'm using pop to read my mail, and rarely get any spam, with no filters at all, except in my mail reader. I only check on occasion and have found few thing in the bulk spam, and only two that were real and not spam. At the risk of upsetting you, perhaps you're not using it right :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:08 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems? interestingly i have had no issues sending email to myself, i do so frequently to save links and the like when im out. i also am useing only gmail's built-in filters and have created none of my own. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: On 1/9/09, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Josef Lowder wrote: I'm about fed up with gmail. One of the most annoying things is that it is (apparently) impossible to create filters that will actually delete (rather than just move garbage emails to trash). This is ridiculous. I'm still getting 100+ garbage spams plus 100+ emails in trash every day and I have to go through all these to make sure that there is nothing in there that should not be; and almost every day I find one or two items in both spam and in trash that should not be there. Valid items in trash are my error/responsibility because of my aggressive filtering efforts. This problem could be minimized if not entirely resolved if I only had the ability to actually create a delete forever filter for some of the most offensive garbage. If your current filters are failing and moving legit emails to trash, wouldn't the delete forever filter be a bad idea? :-) No, because, as I explained above, I would l only use a delete forever filter on the most offensive subject word-strings. For other subject word-strings where I may be most aggressive in filtering, I would only send those items to trash. And thus, I would have a much smaller number of trashed items to have to scan through. For example, for a while, I was getting hundreds of garbage spam that had the word from in the subject line, so I filtered all of those to trash so I didn't have to deal with them in my inbox. But then, when time permitted, I would scan through the trash and usually found 1 or 2 legitimate email messages (among the hundreds of non-legitimate messages with the word from in the subject line). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems?
1) Sendmail spoofs and debugs /lib/sendmail -d yourn...@gmail.com Run a nice sendmail debug - you know it went through. (PATH DISTRO DEPENDANT) /usr/lib/sendmail -f blockedexam...@bogusplaceyouhate.com youremailaddr...@gmail.com NOTE, be careful, gmail also will trash these spoofed header messages. 2) Why not use a client instead? Using Evolution with Gmail: http://linuxtuts.blogspot.com/2008/09/how-to-configure-evolution-mail-client.html Using Postfix and Fetchmail: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html 3) You can, rather than move them to the spam folder, forward the messages to yourself and then check/choose to delete them? In Gmail, you can modify your filter to forward that mail to your personal id and delete it from the inbox. Or you could just delete it. 4) Troubleshoot each filter with example spoofed mail, using another mailer. So, basically if you mail worked until you added the last two, send example email to see which ones work, working back. If all mail is not flowing at all, WAIT ONE HOUR (gmail does that sometimes) then return to verify your sending address is working. Email others (I will happily assist you) to help test [even if I am one of the ones you are filtering laugh]! www.Obnosis.com | http://wiki.obnosis.com | http://hackfest.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 January PLUG HackFest = Kristy Westphal, AZ Department of Economic Security Forensics @ UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:36:33 -0700 From: mica...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: How to test suspect gmail delivery problems? My experience is the same. I mail myself things all the time without any problems. I'd double check your custom filters. Sent from my Android phone On Jan 9, 2009 2:09 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: interestingly i have had no issues sending email to myself, i do so frequently to save links and the like when im out. i also am useing only gmail's built-in filters and have created none of my own. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: On 1/9/09, Charles Jones...-- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.p... _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
