subject:"RE\:"

didn't work for me either.
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote:

 Apparently not under linux.

 Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd
 assume typically do without than deal with.

 -mb



 On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote:

 How about this for a OT  topic

 Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years
 ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of
 wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is
 amazing and blows my mind.


 New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in
 interactive visualization
 http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-**
 maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/
 


 *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar

 neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome
 http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location

 of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually
 identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s
 rendition.

 http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-**
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Re: virus

huh?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote:

 I think I have backorfice2k floating around in a zip file somewhere still
 for nostalgia.  WinME might still be cool in nigeria, some remote control
 for fun and profit.

 -mb


 On 11/14/2012 04:50 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:

 Maybe keep spamming the list like this and someone will send you another
 game...

 I really need to re-institute my email killfile, but you really just
 provide
 too much popcorn, I cannot fathom losing such entertaining posts as these.

 r.

 On Fri 9 November 2012 10:17:29 Michael Havens wrote:

 Well... back in 96 (before I ran linux) someone sent me a 'game'. I
 opened
 the 'game' and my computer locked up and had to be restored. That is
 actually what I wanted :) Also, I would never send it to a US based

 scammer.


 How do I discover where 'phx.gbl'. traceroute gets to 10 hops then gives

 me:


 * * *

 the last 'real' return I get is:

 
 10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.**peer1.nethttp://10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.peer1.net(216.187.124.129)
   153.151 ms
   153.577 ms
154.080 ms

 :-)~MIKE~(-:
 On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Kevin Frieske...@fries-biro.com
  wrote:

 Michael,

 You are thinking far too one dimensionally.  What you really need is the
 routing and account numbers for an account owned by Alcida.  Then let

 them

 steal away.  Let the jerks explain how they illegally obtained this
 information to Homeland Security.   Ha ha ha ha

 I got your humor, guys ease up and stop taking thing so seriously.

 Kevin

 On Nov 9, 2012 5:54 AM, Michael Havensbmi...@gmail.com  wrote:

 could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
 that try to scam me?

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

I think seceding is a grand *idea* but then what about all the people who
depend on the government for sustenance (social security)?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Joe Gibbs joegibbs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 This is OT topic by a lot.

 Please keep politics and religion off a tech blog, unless of course you
 want to be added to the ignore list and ALL your posts are tossed into the
 trash pile without being read.

 If I wanted to read about someone's personal politics I would go to one of
 the many sites on the internet for that special interest group. Please do
 the same.

 Joe Gibbs


 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.

 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
 very clear that this is no joke.

 Click the link below to sign the petition:

 - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


 Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
 petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
 At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
 initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard.





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Re: OT:

I was investigating things and:

Getting a WebGL Implementation
http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#mw-headhttp://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#p-search

The WebGL 1.0 specification has recently been released, and the latest
builds of several browsers are close to reaching full conformance. Here are
instructions on how to obtain a copy of a browser supporting the WebGL
specification. As various implementations reach 100% conformance, expect
that browsers will have this functionality built in to their latest
releases, and not require any manual steps to enable it.
Maybe the version of chrome we have isn't compliant??
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 didn't work for me either.
 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.netwrote:

 Apparently not under linux.

 Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd
 assume typically do without than deal with.

 -mb



 On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote:

 How about this for a OT  topic

 Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years
 ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of
 wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is
 amazing and blows my mind.


 New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in
 interactive visualization
 http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-**
 maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/
 


 *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar

 neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome
 http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location

 of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually
 identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s
 rendition.

 http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-**
 10-stars-in-interactive-**visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/


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Re: OT:

2012-11-15 Thread Patricia Wilson

Mine works.
Version 20.0.1132.47 Ubuntu 12.04 (144678)


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was investigating things and:

 Getting a WebGL Implementation
 http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#mw-headhttp://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#p-search

 The WebGL 1.0 specification has recently been released, and the latest
 builds of several browsers are close to reaching full conformance. Here are
 instructions on how to obtain a copy of a browser supporting the WebGL
 specification. As various implementations reach 100% conformance, expect
 that browsers will have this functionality built in to their latest
 releases, and not require any manual steps to enable it.
 Maybe the version of chrome we have isn't compliant??
 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 didn't work for me either.
 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.netwrote:

 Apparently not under linux.

 Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and
 I'd assume typically do without than deal with.

 -mb



 On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote:

 How about this for a OT  topic

 Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years
 ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of
 wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is
 amazing and blows my mind.


 New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in
 interactive visualization
 http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-**
 maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/
 


 *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar

 neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome
 http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location

 of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually
 identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s
 rendition.

 http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-**
 10-stars-in-interactive-**visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/


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Re: OT:

nope that wasn't the problem!
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was investigating things and:

 Getting a WebGL Implementation
 http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#mw-headhttp://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki_1_15/index.php/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation#p-search

 The WebGL 1.0 specification has recently been released, and the latest
 builds of several browsers are close to reaching full conformance. Here are
 instructions on how to obtain a copy of a browser supporting the WebGL
 specification. As various implementations reach 100% conformance, expect
 that browsers will have this functionality built in to their latest
 releases, and not require any manual steps to enable it.
 Maybe the version of chrome we have isn't compliant??
 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 didn't work for me either.
 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.netwrote:

 Apparently not under linux.

 Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and
 I'd assume typically do without than deal with.

 -mb



 On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote:

 How about this for a OT  topic

 Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years
 ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of
 wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is
 amazing and blows my mind.


 New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in
 interactive visualization
 http://9to5google.com/2012/**11/14/new-chrome-experiment-**
 maps-10-stars-in-**interactive-visualization/http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/
 


 *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar

 neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome
 http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location

 of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually
 identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s
 rendition.

 http://9to5google.com/2012/11/**14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-**
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Re: Linux in China?

http://duckduckgo.com/?t=lmq=linux+china
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote:

  Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China?

 I wonder if linux is big in China?

 Thanks

 Mike Enriquez

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Re: Linux in China?

2012-11-15 Thread Ted Gould

On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 12:06 -0700, mike enriquez wrote:
 Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in
 China?

 I wonder if linux is big in China?

http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/27/retail-stores-in-china/

That was from last year.  Dell has stores in China that sell Ubuntu
directly, where you can't get a retail Dell machine in the US today that
has Ubuntu on it.[1]

The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is
because people are buying machines to pirate Windows.  Unfortunately
it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they
argue it).  So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but
definitely from a visibility perspective it's much larger than in the
US.

--Ted

[1] Though that is hopefully changing:
http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/d/campaigns/sputnik


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Re: Linux in China?

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/11/05/china.linux.reut/
http://www.informationweek.com/microsoft-fights-piracy-in-china-linux-w/170700943
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4254330887.html

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://duckduckgo.com/?t=lmq=linux+china
 :-)~MIKE~(-:


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote:

  Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China?

 I wonder if linux is big in China?

 Thanks

 Mike Enriquez

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Re: Linux in China?

2012-11-15 Thread Derek Trotter

It seems like someone in Redmond is grasping at straws.  WIndows boxes 
can copy M$ software, post it to usenet, download it from Usenet and 
burn it to disc.  It can also be shared using your favorite p2p software.


On 11/15/2012 12:45 PM, Ted Gould wrote:

On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 12:06 -0700, mike enriquez wrote:

Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in
China?

I wonder if linux is big in China?

http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/27/retail-stores-in-china/

That was from last year.  Dell has stores in China that sell Ubuntu
directly, where you can't get a retail Dell machine in the US today that
has Ubuntu on it.[1]

The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is
because people are buying machines to pirate Windows.  Unfortunately
it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they
argue it).  So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but
definitely from a visibility perspective it's much larger than in the
US.

--Ted

[1] Though that is hopefully changing:
http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/d/campaigns/sputnik


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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote:
 
 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.
 
 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs
ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was
called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. 

   ..snip.

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Re: virus

2012-11-15 Thread Michael Butash


Somewhat kidding, look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Orifice_2000

-mb


On 11/15/2012 10:49 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

huh?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net
mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote:

I think I have backorfice2k floating around in a zip file somewhere
still for nostalgia.  WinME might still be cool in nigeria, some
remote control for fun and profit.

-mb


On 11/14/2012 04:50 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:

Maybe keep spamming the list like this and someone will send you
another
game...

I really need to re-institute my email killfile, but you really
just provide
too much popcorn, I cannot fathom losing such entertaining posts
as these.

r.

On Fri 9 November 2012 10:17:29 Michael Havens wrote:

Well... back in 96 (before I ran linux) someone sent me a
'game'. I opened
the 'game' and my computer locked up and had to be restored.
That is
actually what I wanted :) Also, I would never send it to a
US based

scammer.


How do I discover where 'phx.gbl'. traceroute gets to 10
hops then gives

me:


 * * *

the last 'real' return I get is:

10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.__peer1.net
http://10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.peer1.net
(216.187.124.129)  153.151 ms
   153.577 ms
154.080 ms

:-)~MIKE~(-:
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Kevin
Frieske...@fries-biro.com mailto:ke...@fries-biro.com
  wrote:

Michael,

You are thinking far too one dimensionally.  What you
really need is the
routing and account numbers for an account owned by
Alcida.  Then let

them

steal away.  Let the jerks explain how they illegally
obtained this
information to Homeland Security.   Ha ha ha ha

I got your humor, guys ease up and stop taking thing so
seriously.

Kevin

On Nov 9, 2012 5:54 AM, Michael
Havensbmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com  wrote:

could someone send me a virus that I could 'share'
with all the thieves
that try to scam me?

:-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: Linux in China?

2012-11-15 Thread R P Herrold


On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted Gould wrote:


The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is
because people are buying machines to pirate Windows.  Unfortunately
it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they
argue it).  So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but


There is nothing 'unfortunate' about it at all -- The MSFT 
representatives are parrotting a party line, and trying to 
frame a debate about intellectual property rights which China 
agreed to enforce as part of joining WIPO.  Open Source does 
not have a dog in that fight


Open Source does not control the actions of its purchasers or 
users, nor have an obligation to facilitate control schemes 
that others might want adopted.  Just the opposite -- see 
Stallman's Four Freedoms essays over time -- By and large, it 
seeks to provide software freedom of many forms


I don't recall Microsoft _asking_ the FSF about the new UEFI 
bootloaders which vastly complicate the rights of owners of 
hardware wanting to use Open Source before functionally 
mandating it to the large manufacturers.  They just rammed it 
through with market power


-- Russ herrold
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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread Eric Cope

May I point out that winning a war doesn't make you right... nor does it
make the opposition any more compliant in the long term...

If at first you don't secede, try and try again. :)


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote:
 
  The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
  men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
  whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
  the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
  Government.
 
  Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
  secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs
 ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was
 called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost.

..snip.

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread keith smith



What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way.  Who will 
fight against it?  The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and the 
Supremes? 

This is different.  This is all the states against the federal government.  The 
federal government gets it's power from the people.  If the people withdraw, 
then there is not federal government.

The states created the federal government.  If all 50 states walk there is not 
federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together.  

Very different.



Keith Smith

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From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote:
 
 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.
 
 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs
ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was
called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. 

           ..snip.

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread Tom Haws


 What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way.


Is this true?  Cool!
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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread Eric Cope

Something to consider is that while there are groups of people in each
state that want to secede, not EVERYONE in the state wants to secede. The
question is what constitutes critical mass to trigger the change. The
colonists only had support from about 20% of the population. How much does
each state need?

Eric


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Tom Haws tom.h...@gmail.com wrote:

  What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way.


 Is this true?  Cool!

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

I think that people that don't like the way the country is going should
move to texas and then only teas seceed. There already is a provision in
their founding documents that they could separate into 3 states.
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:

 Something to consider is that while there are groups of people in each
 state that want to secede, not EVERYONE in the state wants to secede. The
 question is what constitutes critical mass to trigger the change. The
 colonists only had support from about 20% of the population. How much does
 each state need?

 Eric


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Tom Haws tom.h...@gmail.com wrote:

  What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way.


 Is this true?  Cool!

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Re: Linux in China?

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3676641/Linux+Still+a+Hit+in+China.htm
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:

 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted Gould wrote:

  The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is
 because people are buying machines to pirate Windows.  Unfortunately
 it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they
 argue it).  So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but


 There is nothing 'unfortunate' about it at all -- The MSFT representatives
 are parrotting a party line, and trying to frame a debate about
 intellectual property rights which China agreed to enforce as part of
 joining WIPO.  Open Source does not have a dog in that fight

 Open Source does not control the actions of its purchasers or users, nor
 have an obligation to facilitate control schemes that others might want
 adopted.  Just the opposite -- see Stallman's Four Freedoms essays over
 time -- By and large, it seeks to provide software freedom of many forms

 I don't recall Microsoft _asking_ the FSF about the new UEFI bootloaders
 which vastly complicate the rights of owners of hardware wanting to use
 Open Source before functionally mandating it to the large manufacturers.
  They just rammed it through with market power

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread Joe Gibbs

I call that statement bull crap.

Just because someone created a petition does not mean that all/most of the
residents want to give up.

Personally for a joke I could create a petition for those states that I
don't like and then watch the fear-mongers start clicking yes.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:

What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Who
will fight against it? The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and
the Supremes?

This is different. This is all the states against the federal
government. The federal government gets it's power from the people. If
the people withdraw, then there is not federal government.

The states created the federal government. If all 50 states walk there is
not federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together.

Very different.

Keith Smith

--- On *Thu, 11/15/12, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net* wrote:

From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700,
j...@actionline.comhttp://mc/compose?to=j...@actionline.comwrote:

The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
Government.

Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs
ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was
called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost.

..snip.

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Re: Linux in China?

2012-11-15 Thread Lisa Kachold

There are a few problems with trying to get accurate Linux numbers:

1. Many Linux users dual-boot with Windows, so do they count as 1/2 a Linux
user? Or do they get counted twice (once for Linux, once for Windows)?

2. Linux doesn't have any sales figures for home users (and even for many
servers), unlike Mac OS X and Windows.

3. Many Linux users choose to mask or hide their online identities, either
for anonymity or to get proper functionality from certain Internet
Explorer-only websites.

4. Many Linux users have multiple computers (so does each computer owned
count as a Linux user or is that one person a Linux user?).

Perhaps we should create a massive [Chinese] spam campaign that installs a
bot-net to infect with http://sourceforge.net/projects/statix/ and track
Linux desktops?

Our concept of the culture of China and linux use is based entirely upon
our American consideration that every family (and individual) has a
personal computer.  In China, it's more common for only a small
percentage of the upper middle class families to have ONE  personal
phone, smartphone or tablet.

Computer *ownership* is now at about 4-5% of the worlds population. However
with many social projects putting computers in villages in developing
countries between 12-14% of the worlds population have access to a
computer. Approx 3-5 % of the worlds population have internet access.   To
put this into context only about 25% of the worlds population sleep in
their own bed at night and only about 30% of the worlds population are rich
enough to have a bank account!

 China's Internet population is touted to be 415.6 million. This figure
includes people who access the Web through Internet cafes or public
computers and smartphones.

Scientific and development based internet use (therefore much of Linux) is
strictly controlled in China.

W3Counter http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php has linux use as 1.8 %,
of course that's not China.




On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote:

  Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China?

 I wonder if linux is big in China?

 Thanks

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Re: Linux in China?

2012-11-15 Thread Ted Gould

On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 15:59 -0500, R P Herrold wrote:
 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted Gould wrote:
  The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is
  because people are buying machines to pirate Windows.  Unfortunately
  it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they
  argue it).  So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but
 
 There is nothing 'unfortunate' about it at all -- The MSFT 
 representatives are parrotting a party line, and trying to 
 frame a debate about intellectual property rights which China 
 agreed to enforce as part of joining WIPO.  Open Source does 
 not have a dog in that fight

No, they're trying to discredit Ubuntu adoption in China by saying it
doesn't exist.  This makes it hard to go to people like ISVs and argue
there's a market for their software if they port it.  That, in turn,
reduces the number of people that can use Ubuntu because it doesn't
support the software that they need.  So, it is unfortunate, but yes I
don't think there is a reasonable way to count the number of users of
truly free software.

--Ted



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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread keith smith


What if we turn that on it head - 180 degrees out and say anyone who does not 
what to follow the Constitution should find a place where they fit in.  It's 
about the Constitution and nothing else.

If someone wants to be a socialist why not move to a socialist country? 



Keith Smith

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From: Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 3:09 PM

I think that people that don't like the way the country is going should move to 
texas and then only teas seceed. There already is a provision in their founding 
documents that they could separate into 3 states.


:-)~MIKE~(-:



On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:


Something to consider is that while there are groups of people in each state 
that want to secede, not EVERYONE in the state wants to secede. The question is 
what constitutes critical mass to trigger the change. The colonists only had 
support from about 20% of the population. How much does each state need?




Eric

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What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way.
Is this true?  Cool!


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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread keith smith


Ok,  maybe I was not completely clear.  To stay on point, my statement was not 
about whether it was valid or about who was doing what.  

My point was IF all 50 states decided to secede then who will stop them and I 
was drawing a contrast between the Civil War and what potentially is going on 
today.

The Civil War was possible because there were states who seceded and there were 
states that stood with the Federal Government.  This is a much different 
situation.  IF and I say IF all 50 stated really decided to secede who can stop 
them?  That was my point.

I agree most people, to include myself, do not want to secede, however you must 
read between the lines.  This is a warning to the Federal Government to get 
inline with the Constitution or further action will be taken. 




Keith Smith

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From: Joe Gibbs joegibbs...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 3:21 PM

I call that statement bull crap.
Just because someone created a petition does not mean that all/most of the 
residents want to give up. 
Personally for a joke I could create a petition for those states that I don't 
like and then watch the fear-mongers start clicking yes.
 

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:



What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way.  Who will 
fight against it?  The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and the 
Supremes? 


This is different.  This is all the states against the federal government.  The 
federal government gets it's power from the people.  If the people withdraw, 
then there is not federal government.

The states created the federal government.  If all 50 states walk there is not 
federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together.  


Very different.



Keith Smith

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From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us

Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote:
 
 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among

 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new

 Government.
 
 Over the past few days,
 petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs
ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was

called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. 

           ..snip.

-- 
Bob Holtzman
If you think you're getting free lunch, 

check the price of the beer.
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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-15 Thread JD Austin

I'll second that. :)  Take away my motivation/reward to do more than I need
to and guess what... I'll stop.   Health care is expensive mostly because
of governmental regulations/bureaucracy.  If I created a medical device
that would magically cure cancer guess what my odds would be of getting it
in the hands of a Doctor legally?  Almost zero unless I had enough money to
grease the way.  If they wanted to make healthcare affordable they'd band
all of the governmental agencies in the world that act as gatekeepers into
one partnership and once a drug/device is in it's in for everywhere *and
vice versa.*
Our federal government somehow took the power that was supposed to reside
in the states and the people using the commerce clause (and because they
got away with it enough to make it 'normal').  They take money from one
state and give it to another with strings attached to maintain their
power... then of course if you look at our money itself it's not based on
anything tangible and the Federal Govt can have the Federal reserve print
money whenever they need more.  I'd rather pay ALL of my taxes to AZ and
let AZ decide how much it can give to the Federal Govt. Not that it'll ever
happen.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 What if we turn that on it head - 180 degrees out and say anyone who does
 not what to follow the Constitution should find a place where they fit in.
 It's about the Constitution and nothing else.

 If someone wants to be a socialist why not move to a socialist country?

 
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Re: Linux in China?

2012-11-15 Thread Derek Trotter


On 11/15/2012 03:46 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:


Perhaps we should create a massive [Chinese] spam campaign that 
installs a bot-net to infect with 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/statix/ and track Linux desktops?


It shouldn't be hard for anyone interested in the project to write the 
spam.  Come up with some idea of what you want to say and run it through 
Google translate.  Judging by the English skills of the people who write 
the spam I get, that's what they're doing.

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Re: HOLI-DISTRO Disco Party - Save the Date! 12.04.12

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen

22 hours or days?
On Nov 15, 2012 5:03 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:

 Well, I sure miss FreeGeek (and other Linux/OpenSource events) in Oregon!

 This one is only 22 hours away Anyone?

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Misty Fall mf...@freegeek.org
 Date: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM
 Subject: [freegeek-social] HOLI-DISTRO Disco Party - Save the Date!
 12.04.12
 To: soc...@freegeek.org, regul...@freegeek.org
 Cc: paidwork...@freegeek.org

 Hello Free Geek regulars!

 Please join us Tuesday 12.04.12 from 6pm to 9pm at Free Geek to celebrate
 the Winter holiday as well as Free Geek's release of Xubuntu 12.04!

 We will have a fabulous taco bar and encourage you to bring side dishes or
 desserts to compliment.

 There will be a White Elephant Gift Exchange--for those that don't know a
 White Elephant Gift is something silly, re-gifted, or ironic that you
 already have wrapped up for a fun exchange, only folks who bring will
 participate.

 DISCO rhymes with DISTRO and well were gonna dress up in 70's gear and
 play that funky music, so come ready to groove!

 There will likely be Distro related games and of course all around fun.

 This is a big thanks for all your hard work Volunteers!

 There will be more details to come, please save the date and join us!

 Thanks!
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Re: linux malware

2012-11-15 Thread Lisa Kachold

Hi Derek,

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 11/15/2012 03:46 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:


 Perhaps we should create a massive [Chinese] spam campaign that installs
 a bot-net to infect with 
 http://sourceforge.net/**projects/statix/http://sourceforge.net/projects/statix/and
  track Linux desktops?


 I've read of a few examples of malware written for MacOS.  Is there any
 malware out there that targets linux boxes?   If so, what kind of a threat
 is it to people who run linux at home?

 Thanks


Yes,

Malware exists that targets linux indirectly (as in browser and Adobe
based) and directly.

Check out the online registry:  http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/MHR/


Detection: http://www.rfxn.com/projects/linux-malware-detect/



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Re: linux malware

2012-11-15 Thread Lisa Kachold

Using antivirus software is recommended, however many desktop users will be
surprised to learn that they are actually part of a botnet transmitting
virus or other information.  A good check would include all packet traffic
out from the desktop, and a quick look at lsof:

http://www.linuxthebest.com/2012/01/04/best-linux-antivirus-softwares-for-linux-users/

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 so should we all be worried about it, Lisa?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Derek,

 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Derek Trotter 
 expat.arizo...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 11/15/2012 03:46 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:


 Perhaps we should create a massive [Chinese] spam campaign that
 installs a bot-net to infect with http://sourceforge.net/**
 projects/statix/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/statix/ and track
 Linux desktops?


 I've read of a few examples of malware written for MacOS.  Is there any
 malware out there that targets linux boxes?   If so, what kind of a threat
 is it to people who run linux at home?

 Thanks


 Yes,

 Malware exists that targets linux indirectly (as in browser and Adobe
 based) and directly.

 Check out the online registry:  http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/MHR/


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Re: youtube-dl

Great channel!

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is wrong with this command?

youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY;

 It keeps telling me:

[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

ERROR: unable to download video

 I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting rid
 of the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space  after
 the '-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:


Works for me!

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Re: youtube-dl

2012-11-14 Thread Michael Havens

Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version too!
regardless... why can't i download it?
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Great channel!

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is wrong with this command?

youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY;

 It keeps telling me:

[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

ERROR: unable to download video

 I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting rid
 of the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space  after
 the '-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:


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RE: youtube-dl

2012-11-14 Thread Carruth, Rusty

Mike - what version of youtube-dl are you using?

Lisa - same question.

 

That's my guess as to why it works for her and not for you.  I'm
assuming neither of you have anything 'weird' in your network setup...

 

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of
Michael Havens
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:25 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: youtube-dl

 

Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version
too!

regardless... why can't i download it?
:-)~MIKE~(-:



On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
wrote:

Great channel!

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
wrote:

What is wrong with this command?

 

   youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY;

 

It keeps telling me:

 

   [youtube] Setting language

   [youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage

   [youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage

   [youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

 

   ERROR: unable to download video

 

I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting
rid of the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space
after the '-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

 

 

Works for me! 

 

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Re: youtube-dl

2012-11-14 Thread Michael Havens

i just tried apt-get and it says my version is current. As for the version
I'm not sure how to look that up. I did 'locate youtube-dl' and the only
thing that might tell me is:

   /usr/share/doc/youtube-dl/copyright

This is what that file says:

This package was debianized by Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org on
Sun,  3 Sep 2006 19:43:27 -0400.

The current maintainer is Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

It was downloaded from:

http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/raw/2010.04.04/youtube-dl

Authors:

* Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez: program core, YouTube.com InfoExtractor,
  metacafe.com InfoExtractor and YouTube playlist InfoExtractor.
* Danny Colligan: YouTube search InfoExtractor, ideas and patches.
* Many other people contributing patches, code, ideas and kind messages.
  Too many to be listed here. You know who you are. Thank you very much.

Copyright © 2006-2010 Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez

License:

The program is in the Public Domain.

The packaging is licensed under the GNU GPL License:

Copyright © 2006, Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org.
Copyright © 2009-2012, Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

For the text of the GPL License in a Debian system, please see
`/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.


:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Mike - what version of youtube-dl are you using?

 Lisa - same question.

 ** **

 That’s my guess as to why it works for her and not for you.  I’m assuming
 neither of you have anything ‘weird’ in your network setup…

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Michael
 Havens
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:25 AM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: youtube-dl

 ** **

 Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version
 too!

 regardless... why can't i download it?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:

 Great channel!

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:*
 ***

 What is wrong with this command?

 ** **

youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY

 ** **

 It keeps telling me:

 ** **

[youtube] Setting language

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

 ** **

ERROR: unable to download video

 ** **

 I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting rid
 of the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space  after
 the '-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?

 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 ** **

 ** **

 Works for me! 

 ** **

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Re: youtube-dl

2012-11-14 Thread Dazed_75

Mine shows the same copyright test although the package I got this am from
the ubuntu software center installed
/var/cache/apt/archives/youtube-dl_2012.02.27-1_all.deb.  I get the same
result as Michael although I can certainly play the video directly from the
link included in the command line.

Mike, most programs have an option to display the version.  According to
the youtube-dl man page it should be -v but it does not work.  It reacts as
if you have provided wrong or insufficient parameters.  I would say maybe
look for a different package to download youtube videos which have better
or more uptodate maintenance.  Another option is to volunteer to help with
the maintenance and/or documentation.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 i just tried apt-get and it says my version is current. As for the version
 I'm not sure how to look that up. I did 'locate youtube-dl' and the only
 thing that might tell me is:

/usr/share/doc/youtube-dl/copyright

 This is what that file says:

 This package was debianized by Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org on
 Sun,  3 Sep 2006 19:43:27 -0400.

 The current maintainer is Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 It was downloaded from:

 http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/raw/2010.04.04/youtube-dl

 Authors:

 * Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez: program core, YouTube.com InfoExtractor,
   metacafe.com InfoExtractor and YouTube playlist InfoExtractor.
 * Danny Colligan: YouTube search InfoExtractor, ideas and patches.
 * Many other people contributing patches, code, ideas and kind
 messages.
   Too many to be listed here. You know who you are. Thank you very
 much.

 Copyright © 2006-2010 Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez

 License:

 The program is in the Public Domain.

 The packaging is licensed under the GNU GPL License:

 Copyright © 2006, Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org.
 Copyright © 2009-2012, Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 For the text of the GPL License in a Debian system, please see
 `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.


 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Mike - what version of youtube-dl are you using?

 Lisa - same question.

 ** **

 That’s my guess as to why it works for her and not for you.  I’m assuming
 neither of you have anything ‘weird’ in your network setup…

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Michael
 Havens
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:25 AM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: youtube-dl

 ** **

 Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version
 too!

 regardless... why can't i download it?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:

 Great channel!

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 

 What is wrong with this command?

 ** **

youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY

 ** **

 It keeps telling me:

 ** **

[youtube] Setting language

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

 ** **

ERROR: unable to download video

 ** **

 I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting rid
 of the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space  after
 the '-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?

 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 ** **

 ** **

 Works for me! 

 ** **

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Re: youtube-dl

2012-11-14 Thread Dazed_75

from the NEW item in the package:

youtube-dl (2010.07.22-1) unstable; urgency=medium

  The upstream author has removed support for the -b (best format) and
  the -d (high def) command line options.

  The behavior now is to download the best quality for each video.
  If you experience a problem with youtube-dl downloading videos that are
  too large, you should consider using the --max-quality option to limit
  which format to use.

  The list of formats (in decreasing quality) can be found with:

  grep available_formats = /usr/bin/youtube-dl

 -- Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br  Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:07:03 -0300

(END)
 so the error MAY be from too large a file for the coded transfer
protocol.  I tried using that option to download as WebM and got the same
result.

Larry


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mine shows the same copyright test although the package I got this am from
 the ubuntu software center installed
 /var/cache/apt/archives/youtube-dl_2012.02.27-1_all.deb.  I get the same
 result as Michael although I can certainly play the video directly from the
 link included in the command line.

 Mike, most programs have an option to display the version.  According to
 the youtube-dl man page it should be -v but it does not work.  It reacts as
 if you have provided wrong or insufficient parameters.  I would say maybe
 look for a different package to download youtube videos which have better
 or more uptodate maintenance.  Another option is to volunteer to help with
 the maintenance and/or documentation.


 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 i just tried apt-get and it says my version is current. As for the
 version I'm not sure how to look that up. I did 'locate youtube-dl' and the
 only thing that might tell me is:

/usr/share/doc/youtube-dl/copyright

 This is what that file says:

 This package was debianized by Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org on
 Sun,  3 Sep 2006 19:43:27 -0400.

 The current maintainer is Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 It was downloaded from:

 http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/raw/2010.04.04/youtube-dl

 Authors:

 * Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez: program core, YouTube.com InfoExtractor,
   metacafe.com InfoExtractor and YouTube playlist InfoExtractor.
 * Danny Colligan: YouTube search InfoExtractor, ideas and patches.
 * Many other people contributing patches, code, ideas and kind
 messages.
   Too many to be listed here. You know who you are. Thank you very
 much.

 Copyright © 2006-2010 Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez

 License:

 The program is in the Public Domain.

 The packaging is licensed under the GNU GPL License:

 Copyright © 2006, Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org.
 Copyright © 2009-2012, Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 For the text of the GPL License in a Debian system, please see
 `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.


 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Mike - what version of youtube-dl are you using?

 Lisa - same question.

 ** **

 That’s my guess as to why it works for her and not for you.  I’m
 assuming neither of you have anything ‘weird’ in your network setup…

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Michael
 Havens
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:25 AM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: youtube-dl

 ** **

 Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version
 too!

 regardless... why can't i download it?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:

 Great channel!

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What is wrong with this command?

 ** **

youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY

 ** **

 It keeps telling me:

 ** **

[youtube] Setting language

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

 ** **

ERROR: unable to download video

 ** **

 I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting
 rid of the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space
  after the '-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?

 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 ** **

 ** **

 Works for me! 

 ** **

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RE: youtube-dl

2012-11-14 Thread Carruth, Rusty

First, unless you update your packages list (if using synaptic its 'reload db' 
or something) you will NEVER know if a newer package is out there.

 

Second, I use those firefox (and mumble mumble (seamonkey? And other)) browser 
plugins.  DTA (down them all), ant, and something else.  They've worked fine 
for me..

 

Third, 2006 seems REALLY old for something like this.  Indeed, if you go to 
http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ you'll see in the download section 
2012.10.09. (which is also the only version, which seems mildly incongruous. Of 
course, the thing you download seems to be a binary file interpreted by python, 
which launches me into a 'huh?  Gotta go figure THAT out sometime' mode ;-)

 

Rusty

 

 

 

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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dazed_75
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:04 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: youtube-dl

 

Mine shows the same copyright test although the package I got this am from the 
ubuntu software center installed 
/var/cache/apt/archives/youtube-dl_2012.02.27-1_all.deb.  I get the same result 
as Michael although I can certainly play the video directly from the link 
included in the command line.

Mike, most programs have an option to display the version.  According to the 
youtube-dl man page it should be -v but it does not work.  It reacts as if you 
have provided wrong or insufficient parameters.  I would say maybe look for a 
different package to download youtube videos which have better or more uptodate 
maintenance.  Another option is to volunteer to help with the maintenance 
and/or documentation.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

i just tried apt-get and it says my version is current. As for the version I'm 
not sure how to look that up. I did 'locate youtube-dl' and the only thing that 
might tell me is:

 

   /usr/share/doc/youtube-dl/copyright

 

This is what that file says:

 

This package was debianized by Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org on

Sun,  3 Sep 2006 19:43:27 -0400.

 

The current maintainer is Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 

It was downloaded from:

 

http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/raw/2010.04.04/youtube-dl

 

Authors:

 

* Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez: program core, YouTube.com InfoExtractor,

  metacafe.com InfoExtractor and YouTube playlist InfoExtractor.

* Danny Colligan: YouTube search InfoExtractor, ideas and patches.

* Many other people contributing patches, code, ideas and kind messages.

  Too many to be listed here. You know who you are. Thank you very much.

 

Copyright © 2006-2010 Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez

 

License:

 

The program is in the Public Domain.

 

The packaging is licensed under the GNU GPL License:

 

Copyright © 2006, Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org.

Copyright © 2009-2012, Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 

For the text of the GPL License in a Debian system, please see

`/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.

 

 

:-)~MIKE~(-:





On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

Mike - what version of youtube-dl are you using?

Lisa - same question.

 

That's my guess as to why it works for her and not for you.  I'm assuming 
neither of you have anything 'weird' in your network setup...

 

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Michael 
Havens
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:25 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: youtube-dl

 

Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version too!

regardless... why can't i download it?
:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:

Great channel!

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

What is wrong with this command?

 

   youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY;

 

It keeps telling me:

 

   [youtube] Setting language

   [youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage

   [youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage

   [youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

 

   ERROR: unable to download video

 

I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting rid of 
the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space  after the 
'-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

 

 

Works for me! 

 

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Re: youtube-dl

2012-11-14 Thread Dazed_75

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 First, unless you update your packages list (if using synaptic its ‘reload
 db’ or something) you will NEVER know if a newer package is out there.

Done, frequently (including this morning).

 

 ** **

 Second, I use those firefox (and mumble mumble (seamonkey? And other))
 browser plugins.  DTA (down them all), ant, and something else.  They’ve
 worked fine for me..

No comment as I was simply answering Michael's question.

 

 ** **

 Third, 2006 seems REALLY old for something like this.  Indeed, if you go
 to http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ you’ll see in the download section
 2012.10.09. (which is also the only version, which seems mildly
 incongruous. Of course, the thing you download seems to be a binary file
 interpreted by python, which launches me into a ‘huh?  Gotta go figure THAT
 out sometime’ mode ;-)

Don't understand the 2006 reference other than as un un-updated reference
in a text file.  The package downloaded from the ubuntu repositories we are
all reporting as stating itself in the code and file names to be from
2012.02.27.

And finally, the file being executed is python code, not compiled.  Sounds
like you are running something later which is compiled python which has not
been accepted to the repositories yet.  Though it may be what you get from
whatever package you get/compile from git.  And, yes, that may well be the
real answer to the different experiences here.

 

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 * *

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Dazed_75
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:04 PM

 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: youtube-dl

 ** **

 Mine shows the same copyright test although the package I got this am from
 the ubuntu software center installed
 /var/cache/apt/archives/youtube-dl_2012.02.27-1_all.deb.  I get the same
 result as Michael although I can certainly play the video directly from the
 link included in the command line.

 Mike, most programs have an option to display the version.  According to
 the youtube-dl man page it should be -v but it does not work.  It reacts as
 if you have provided wrong or insufficient parameters.  I would say maybe
 look for a different package to download youtube videos which have better
 or more uptodate maintenance.  Another option is to volunteer to help with
 the maintenance and/or documentation.

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:*
 ***

 i just tried apt-get and it says my version is current. As for the version
 I'm not sure how to look that up. I did 'locate youtube-dl' and the only
 thing that might tell me is:

 ** **

/usr/share/doc/youtube-dl/copyright

 ** **

 This is what that file says:

 ** **

 This package was debianized by Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org on**
 **

 Sun,  3 Sep 2006 19:43:27 -0400.

 ** **

 The current maintainer is Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 ** **

 It was downloaded from:

 ** **

 http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/raw/2010.04.04/youtube-dl

 ** **

 Authors:

 ** **

 * Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez: program core, YouTube.com InfoExtractor,***
 *

   metacafe.com InfoExtractor and YouTube playlist InfoExtractor.

 * Danny Colligan: YouTube search InfoExtractor, ideas and patches.

 * Many other people contributing patches, code, ideas and kind
 messages.

   Too many to be listed here. You know who you are. Thank you very
 much.

 ** **

 Copyright © 2006-2010 Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez

 ** **

 License:

 ** **

 The program is in the Public Domain.

 ** **

 The packaging is licensed under the GNU GPL License:

 ** **

 Copyright © 2006, Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org.

 Copyright © 2009-2012, Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 ** **

 For the text of the GPL License in a Debian system, please see

 `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.

 ** **

 ** **

 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Mike - what version of youtube-dl are you using?

 Lisa - same question.

  

 That’s my guess as to why it works for her and not for you.  I’m assuming
 neither of you have anything ‘weird’ in your network setup…

  

  

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Michael
 Havens
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:25 AM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: youtube-dl

  

 Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version
 too!

 regardless... why can't i download it?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote

Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-14 Thread Stephen

Thanks no. And I find this inappropriate for this list.
On Nov 14, 2012 4:17 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.

 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
 very clear that this is no joke.

 Click the link below to sign the petition:

 - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


 Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
 petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
 At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
 initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard.





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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-14 Thread Wayne Davis


On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
Government.

Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
very clear that this is no joke.

Click the link below to sign the petition:

- - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard.





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 You /do/ realize there is really NO provision for states to break away 
right?   This whole petition thing is bogus.
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Re: virus

2012-11-14 Thread Ryan Rix

Maybe keep spamming the list like this and someone will send you another 
game...

I really need to re-institute my email killfile, but you really just provide 
too much popcorn, I cannot fathom losing such entertaining posts as these.

r.

On Fri 9 November 2012 10:17:29 Michael Havens wrote:
 Well... back in 96 (before I ran linux) someone sent me a 'game'. I opened
 the 'game' and my computer locked up and had to be restored. That is
 actually what I wanted :) Also, I would never send it to a US based 
scammer.
 
 How do I discover where 'phx.gbl'. traceroute gets to 10 hops then gives 
me:
 
* * *
 
 the last 'real' return I get is:
 
10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.peer1.net (216.187.124.129)  153.151 ms
  153.577 ms
   154.080 ms
 
 :-)~MIKE~(-:
 On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Kevin Fries ke...@fries-biro.com wrote:
  Michael,
  
  You are thinking far too one dimensionally.  What you really need is the
  routing and account numbers for an account owned by Alcida.  Then let 
them
  steal away.  Let the jerks explain how they illegally obtained this
  information to Homeland Security.   Ha ha ha ha
  
  I got your humor, guys ease up and stop taking thing so seriously.
  
  Kevin
  
  On Nov 9, 2012 5:54 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
  that try to scam me?
  
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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.



I've been watching this and a number of other issues unfold over that last 4 or 
5 days.  We definitely live in interesting times.  

I whole heatedly agree we need to fix our relationship with the federal 
government, and believe me I would love to secede, however I think it might be 
destructive in the end.

My main concern is the US may be what is keeping the world from self 
destructing.  If we break into 50 different countries, we lose that strength.  
For instance what happens to all the nukes we have all over the planet?  What 
about our navy what happens to it?

I propose the 50 states create an alliance to nullify anything the federal 
government does that is not constitutional.  This is lawful and we have the 
right under the 10th Amendment.  

We can start by requiring all taxes sent to the federal government go through 
the states.  The states should hold back 80% of it.

I would guess everyone thinks the federal government is out of control.  If we 
stand together we can do this.  Remember the states created the federal 
government not the other way around.    

The 10th Amendment:  The powers not delegated to the United States by the 
Constitution, nor 
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
 or to the people.
    



Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 11/14/12, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote:

From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com
Subject: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 4:10 PM


The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
Government.

Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
very clear that this is no joke.

Click the link below to sign the petition:

- - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. 
At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard.





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Re: youtube-dl

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mine shows the same copyright test although the package I got this am from
 the ubuntu software center installed
 /var/cache/apt/archives/youtube-dl_2012.02.27-1_all.deb.  I get the same
 result as Michael although I can certainly play the video directly from the
 link included in the command line.

 Mike, most programs have an option to display the version.  According to
 the youtube-dl man page it should be -v but it does not work.  It reacts as
 if you have provided wrong or insufficient parameters.  I would say maybe
 look for a different package to download youtube videos which have better
 or more uptodate maintenance.  Another option is to volunteer to help with
 the maintenance and/or documentation.


 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 i just tried apt-get and it says my version is current. As for the
 version I'm not sure how to look that up. I did 'locate youtube-dl' and the
 only thing that might tell me is:

/usr/share/doc/youtube-dl/copyright

 This is what that file says:

 This package was debianized by Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org on
 Sun,  3 Sep 2006 19:43:27 -0400.

 The current maintainer is Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 It was downloaded from:

 http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/raw/2010.04.04/youtube-dl

 Authors:

 * Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez: program core, YouTube.com InfoExtractor,
   metacafe.com InfoExtractor and YouTube playlist InfoExtractor.
 * Danny Colligan: YouTube search InfoExtractor, ideas and patches.
 * Many other people contributing patches, code, ideas and kind
 messages.
   Too many to be listed here. You know who you are. Thank you very
 much.

 Copyright © 2006-2010 Ricardo Garcia Gonzalez

 License:

 The program is in the Public Domain.

 The packaging is licensed under the GNU GPL License:

 Copyright © 2006, Robert S. Edmonds edmo...@debian.org.
 Copyright © 2009-2012, Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br.

 For the text of the GPL License in a Debian system, please see
 `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.


 :-)~MIKE~(-:



 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Mike - what version of youtube-dl are you using?

 Lisa - same question.


I have the git version:

[root@smash bin]# ./youtube-dl --version
2012.10.09
[root@smash bin]#





 ** **

 That’s my guess as to why it works for her and not for you.  I’m
 assuming neither of you have anything ‘weird’ in your network setup…

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Michael
 Havens
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:25 AM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: youtube-dl

 ** **

 Yeah I figured you guys would like it. It is the full uncut version
 too!

 regardless... why can't i download it?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:

 Great channel!

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What is wrong with this command?

 ** **

youtube-dl -o MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail.flv 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfI88NKRzY

 ** **

 It keeps telling me:

 ** **

[youtube] Setting language

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Downloading video info webpage

[youtube] eOfI88NKRzY: Extracting video information

 ** **

ERROR: unable to download video

 ** **

 I've never had problems downloading videos before. I've tried getting
 rid of the '-o ...', getting rid of the quotes, getting rid of the space
  after the '-o', but nothing works. What's wrong?

 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 ** **

 ** **

 Works for me! 

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.


Any contract can be broken.



Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 11/14/12, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.net wrote:

From: Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.net
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 4:30 PM


  


  
  
On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM,
  j...@actionline.com wrote:



  The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
Government.

Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
very clear that this is no joke.

Click the link below to sign the petition:

- - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. 
At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
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 You do realize there is really NO provision for states to
break away right?   This whole petition thing is bogus.

  


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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

Hi Joe,

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.

 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
 very clear that this is no joke.


I fear it's far too late.

In no current political party do we find that our idealogy actually pencils
out to actualization of our stated goals.

We are already enslaved.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_the_nature_of_government



 Click the link below to sign the petition:

 - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


 Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
 petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
 At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-14 Thread farli

I guess that a majority of the vote nationwide and a huge margin in the 
electoral college somehow does not indicate consent of the governed.  I 
wholeheartedly agree that this list is NOT the place for any discussion of 
politics.

 Original message intentionally omitted from my response

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.


Given that a county in Florida had a voter turn out of 141%.  That would be the 
district that Allen West is in.  

Also I would submit the vote for a president does not equate to consent.  

 



Keith Smith

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From: farli fa...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 5:03 PM

I guess that a majority of the vote nationwide and a huge margin in the 
electoral college somehow does not indicate consent of the governed.  I 
wholeheartedly agree that this list is NOT the place for any discussion of 
politics.

 Original message intentionally omitted from my response

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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-14 Thread JD Austin

AND once you sign ANY petition there (which has about as much weight as
an idea) they spam the heck out of you with more petitions to sign.. no
thanks!

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote:

  On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.

 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
 very clear that this is no joke.

 Click the link below to sign the petition:

 - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


 Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
 petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
 At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

2012-11-14 Thread Mark Phillips

And what does this thread have to do with LINUX?

Mark

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:

 AND once you sign ANY petition there (which has about as much weight
 as an idea) they spam the heck out of you with more petitions to sign.. no
 thanks!


 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote:

  On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.

 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
 very clear that this is no joke.

 Click the link below to sign the petition:

 - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


 Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
 petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
 At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
 initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard.





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Re: OT: Time for substantive change.

It's OT, discard it if you don't like it.

OT is an accepted format at PLUG, however, this is not a moderated list.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Mark Phillips
m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote:

 And what does this thread have to do with LINUX?

 Mark

 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:

 AND once you sign ANY petition there (which has about as much weight
 as an idea) they spam the heck out of you with more petitions to sign.. no
 thanks!


 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Wayne Davis wayda...@centurylink.netwrote:

  On 11/14/2012 04:10 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among
 men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
 whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
 the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
 Government.

 Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to
 secede from this now marxist-socialist union.

 The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it
 very clear that this is no joke.

 Click the link below to sign the petition:

 - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - -


 Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active
 petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state.
 At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last
 initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard.





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