Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Ryan Rix]

On Wed 24 June 2009 12:52:45 pm Bob Elzer wrote:
> How about "OT: Jay and Silent Bob fix global warming" aka "Ice Age 4"
>
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> smith
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>
> I'll keep that in mind if I decide to make a movie.  What would I call it?

There fixed it for you.

Ryan
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Bob Elzer]

How about "Jay and Silent Bob fix global warming" aka "Ice Age 4" 

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I'll keep that in mind if I decide to make a movie.  What would I call it?



Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Bob Elzer  wrote:

> From: Bob Elzer 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "'Main PLUG discussion list'" 
> 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:44 PM I'd rather see a Kevin Smith
> movie.   LOL
>  
> 
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> On Behalf Of keith
> smith
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:19 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Craig,
> 
> You make a good point.  I'm going on all I know of him over the years.
> Maybe one of these days I'll view his movie.
> 
> 
> --------
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Craig White 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Craig White 
> > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > 
> > Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:00 AM On Tue,
> 2009-06-23 at 21:31
> > -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have not.  No need to I do not beleive
> him.
> > 
> > > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Craig White 
> > > > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > > > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > > > 
> > > > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM On
> Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06
> > > > -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I would say Al Gore is Mr.
> > Mis-Information.  All
> > > > he does is try to tell us there is Global
> Warming
> > while
> > > > there is no real proof.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > just out of curiosity...have you watched
> his
> > movie?
> > > > 
> > > > Craig
> > 
> > I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore 'Mr.
> > Mis-Information' and
> > suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you have
> not seen his
> > movie you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he
> offers.
> > 
> > Sometimes to understand people you have to be willing
> to suspend your
> > own assumptions...sort of like what was necessary for
> me to read the
> > crap by Ayn Rand. I am not a Christian but I have read
> the New
> > Testament. I am not a Mormon but I have read the Book
> of Moroni.
> > 
> > I think I am not afraid to read other people with whom
> I do not agree
> > and am not afraid to challenge what I believe to be
> true.
> > Knowledge and
> > information is not about only listening to people and
> reading things
> > that you believe are true.
> > 
> > I think this conversation is finished.
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

I'll keep that in mind if I decide to make a movie.  What would I call it?



Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Bob Elzer  wrote:

> From: Bob Elzer 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "'Main PLUG discussion list'" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:44 PM
> I'd rather see a Kevin Smith
> movie.   LOL
>  
> 
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> On Behalf Of keith
> smith
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:19 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Craig,
> 
> You make a good point.  I'm going on all I know of him
> over the years.
> Maybe one of these days I'll view his movie.
> 
> 
> ------------
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Craig White 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Craig White 
> > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > 
> > Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:00 AM On Tue,
> 2009-06-23 at 21:31 
> > -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have not.  No need to I do not beleive
> him.
> > 
> > > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Craig White 
> > > > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > > > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > > > 
> > > > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM On
> Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 
> > > > -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I would say Al Gore is Mr.
> > Mis-Information.  All
> > > > he does is try to tell us there is Global
> Warming
> > while
> > > > there is no real proof.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > just out of curiosity...have you watched
> his
> > movie?
> > > > 
> > > > Craig
> > 
> > I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore 'Mr.
> > Mis-Information' and
> > suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you have
> not seen his 
> > movie you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he
> offers.
> > 
> > Sometimes to understand people you have to be willing
> to suspend your 
> > own assumptions...sort of like what was necessary for
> me to read the 
> > crap by Ayn Rand. I am not a Christian but I have read
> the New 
> > Testament. I am not a Mormon but I have read the Book
> of Moroni.
> > 
> > I think I am not afraid to read other people with whom
> I do not agree 
> > and am not afraid to challenge what I believe to be
> true.
> > Knowledge and
> > information is not about only listening to people and
> reading things 
> > that you believe are true.
> > 
> > I think this conversation is finished.
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Bob Elzer]

I'd rather see a Kevin Smith movie.   LOL
 

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Hi Craig,

You make a good point.  I'm going on all I know of him over the years.
Maybe one of these days I'll view his movie.



Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:00 AM On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:31 
> -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > 
> > I have not.  No need to I do not beleive him.
> 
> > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Craig White 
> > > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > > 
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 
> > > -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I would say Al Gore is Mr.
> Mis-Information.  All
> > > he does is try to tell us there is Global Warming
> while
> > > there is no real proof.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > just out of curiosity...have you watched his
> movie?
> > > 
> > > Craig
> 
> I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore 'Mr.
> Mis-Information' and
> suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you have not seen his 
> movie you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he offers.
> 
> Sometimes to understand people you have to be willing to suspend your 
> own assumptions...sort of like what was necessary for me to read the 
> crap by Ayn Rand. I am not a Christian but I have read the New 
> Testament. I am not a Mormon but I have read the Book of Moroni.
> 
> I think I am not afraid to read other people with whom I do not agree 
> and am not afraid to challenge what I believe to be true.
> Knowledge and
> information is not about only listening to people and reading things 
> that you believe are true.
> 
> I think this conversation is finished.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

Well said!

Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Bob Elzer  wrote:

> From: Bob Elzer 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "'Main PLUG discussion list'" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 10:22 AM
> I (me) have created a monster.
> Sorry.
> 
> Everybody missed the little  "lol" after it.
> 
> As for Al Gore and his FUD on global warming.
> 
> It's amazing to me how in 100 or so years, Scientists have
> figured out
> exactly how the climate works.  
> 
> I remember the  Nuclear Winter like conditions that
> happened when Mt Saint
> Helens blew. Oh wait, 
> that's just what the scientists said would happen. In real
> life it didn't.
> 
> Yes cutting emissions is good, but creating a committee or
> a climate Tsar to
> dictate how the climate should work
> is like trying to fix an empty bank account by charging
> more on my credit
> card. Oh wait, that might work
> The government is doing that right now. They always know
> best. Oh wait...
> 
> This could be never ending, kinda like this thread...
> 
> Augg !!!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]
> On Behalf Of Ryan Rix
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:08 AM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: OT: ICANN and NRO
> 
> Bob Elzer wrote:
> > We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
> > 
> > lol
> >  
> 
> :o Look what you did, Bob! *shakes head and walks away
> ashamed8
> 
> You should know better than to mention anything even
> remotely political.
> 
> Ryan
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Alex Dean]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 2:25 PM, keith smith wrote:




If you give up they win.



The future of the free world depends on winning an argument on a  
mailing list!


sincerely,
they


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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

I'm all for profit if it brings a value.  I see no value in cap and trade and 
the carbon tax.




Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 7:59 AM
> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:20 -0700,
> Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> > At 09:00 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:54 -0700, der.hans
> wrote: > Am 23. Jun,
> > > 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so: > > moin
> moin, > > > We didn't create
> > > it.  Al Gore did. > > Apprently he
> didn't make that claim. > >
> > > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
> >  I think that anyone
> > > who repeats that theory of Al Gore doesn't really
> care anyway. The
> > > sad truth is that our elected representatives
> whether in the House
> > > or Senate are almost all poorly informed about
> all technology
> > > matters and even worse, it is the corporate
> interests that lobby and
> > > get their measure. Can someone say clean coal? Al
> Gore was one of
> > > the most informed Senators
> > 
> > Then why is he pushing global warming -- why did he
> get off the global
> > cooling bandwagon of the 70's?  Why is the ice
> increasing?
> > 
> > Carbon offsets???  Who makes money from
> them?  
> > 
> > Curious people want to know.
> > 
> > Curious lyle
> 
> I think you are asking these questions of the list not
> because you wish
> answers but because you think that there is a political
> point to be
> made.
> 
> Does it matter if someone makes money off carbon offsets?
> Isn't the
> point of capitalism for someone to make a profit? Isn't
> that why we have
> insurance companies smack dab in the middle of health care?
> Do you
> honestly believe that insurance companies add value to the
> health care
> equation?
> 
> The polar ice caps are melting at a record pace. Where is
> it you believe
> ice is increasing?
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Jon M. Hanson]

Can you guys practice some common mailing list courtesy and take this  
discussion to private e-mail since this is way off topic and has gone  
on for days now?


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Lyle Tuttle  wrote:


At 07:59 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:20 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote: > At 09:00 PM  
6/23/2009, you wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:54 -0700,  
der.hans wrote: > Am 23. Jun, > > 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer  
so: > > moin moin, > > > We didn't create > > it.  Al Gore did. >  
> Apprently he didn't make that claim. > > > > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp 
 >  I think that anyone > > who repeats that theory of Al Gore 
 doesn't really care anyway. The > > sad truth is that our elected 
 representatives whether in the House > > or Senate are almost all 
 poorly informed about all technology > > matters and even worse,  
it is the corporate interests that lobby and > > get their measure 
. Can someone say clean coal? Al Gore was one of > > the most info 
rmed Senators > > Then why is he pushing global warming -- why did 
 he get off the global > cooling bandwagon of the 70's?  Why is th 
e ice increasing? > > Carbon offsets???  Who makes money from them 
?  > > Curious people want to know. > > Curious lyle  I th 
ink you are asking these questions of the list not because you wis 
h answers but because you think that there is a political point to 
 be made.


No, just follow the money and see where it takes US.ALL OF US.   
I think the $29 Billion (interest only) per month is a heavy load,  
and that does not count the additional $3000 - $4000 per year energy  
costs per household we will see with cap & trade..



Does it matter if someone makes money off carbon offsets?


It does if it is a scam...no matter who is making the  
money.



Isn't the point of capitalism for someone to make a profit?


Yes, for a legitimate product or serviceis it a scam or not?   
Seems to me that the first guy to call for it has changed his mind  
about it..but we are still following a 'political icon' as our  
guru.why?  Is he making money on it?


 Isn't that why we have insurance companies smack dab in the middle  
of health care? Do you honestly believe that insurance companies  
add value to the health care equation? The polar ice caps are  
melting at a record pace.


Sorry, I respectfully disagree


Where is it you believe ice is increasing?


South pole..for one.look again.al all areas, not just  
those sections where is has decreased..look at the totals -  
do not pick and choose...


lyle
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

The interesting this is that some will say we are losing ice while others say 
we are gaining ice.  Still others say this is a normal fluctuation.

When I look at who stands to gain if global warming is accepted and carbon tax 
and cap and trade are put into law it makes me wonder if there is any such 
problem.




Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 7:24 AM
> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:23 -0700,
> Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> > At 09:14 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700, keith smith
> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I would say Al Gore is Mr.
> Mis-Information.  All he does is try to
> > > tell us there is Global Warming while there is no
> real proof.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > just out of curiosity...have you watched his
> movie?
> > > 
> > > Craig
> > 
> > 
> > And have you researched any differing opinions, or
> just took his as
> > gospel?
> > 
> > There are ALWAYS two sides to any position...look
> 'em over, and
> > make in INFORMED decision.
> > 
> > Curious lyle
> 
> I personally do not claim to have made any hard decisions
> about global
> climate change but obviously the glaciers and the polar ice
> caps are
> melting at a record pace. There also was some clear
> concerns about the
> effects of Freon, acid rain from the sulphurs and
> particulates released
> from burning coal so there are some things that are
> understood to be
> true about man's impact on the environment. This has
> absolutely nothing
> to do with whatever I may think about 'An Inconvenient
> Truth'.
> 
> I think that in my lifetime, there is probably little that
> can or will
> be done to reverse the impact of man on the earth's
> environment but I
> think of us as stewards for the generations that follow.
> 
> I think that even after Columbus returned to the Old World,
> there were
> many who still clung to the belief that the earth was still
> flat and
> Galileo was deemed a heretic by the Catholic church because
> of his
> belief that the planets revolved around the sun. I think
> that history
> has demonstrated that will be some who profess to be
> knowledgeable but
> will deny the truth of their own environment.
> 
> I don't think that this is the proper forum for a debate on
> global
> climate change and I am sure I am not well enough informed
> to have an
> intellectual debate on the topic so I think it is better to
> just let it
> pass.
> 
> Craig
> 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

If you give up they win.


Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 7:05 AM
> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:31 -0700,
> Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> > > I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore
> 'Mr. Mis-Information'
> > > and
> > > suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you
> have not seen his
> > > movie
> > > you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he
> offers.
> > 
> > Question:  Have you watched Fox News? 
> Listened to Rush Limbaugh?
> > 
> > It is a two-way street, you know.
> > 
> > Curious lyle
> 
> of course I have. I personally dislike Sean Hannity because
> he is a
> character assassin and I think O'Reilly is about as
> dishonest as they
> come. I am of the opinion that Limbaugh doesn't actually
> believe
> everything that he says and is working a formula that has
> made him rich.
> 
> But I am not afraid to listen to people that I don't agree
> with
> (exception is Hannity...I cannot stomach him).
> 
> These days, I am a bit tired of politics and that corporate
> control over
> our government is now a forgone conclusion.
> 
> Craig
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

Hi Craig,

You make a good point.  I'm going on all I know of him over the years.  Maybe 
one of these days I'll view his movie.



Keith Smith


--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:00 AM
> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:31 -0700,
> keith smith wrote:
> > 
> > I have not.  No need to I do not beleive him.
> 
> > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Craig White 
> > > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM
> > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700,
> > > keith smith wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I would say Al Gore is Mr.
> Mis-Information.  All
> > > he does is try to tell us there is Global Warming
> while
> > > there is no real proof.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > just out of curiosity...have you watched his
> movie?
> > > 
> > > Craig
> 
> I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore 'Mr.
> Mis-Information' and
> suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you have not
> seen his movie
> you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he offers.
> 
> Sometimes to understand people you have to be willing to
> suspend your
> own assumptions...sort of like what was necessary for me to
> read the
> crap by Ayn Rand. I am not a Christian but I have read the
> New
> Testament. I am not a Mormon but I have read the Book of
> Moroni.
> 
> I think I am not afraid to read other people with whom I do
> not agree
> and am not afraid to challenge what I believe to be true.
> Knowledge and
> information is not about only listening to people and
> reading things
> that you believe are true.
> 
> I think this conversation is finished.
> 
> Craig
> 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

At 10:22 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:

I (me) have created a monster. Sorry.

Everybody missed the little  "lol" after it.

As for Al Gore and his FUD on global warming.

It's amazing to me how in 100 or so years, Scientists have figured out
exactly how the climate works.

I remember the  Nuclear Winter like conditions that happened when Mt Saint
Helens blew. Oh wait,
that's just what the scientists said would happen. In real life it didn't.

Yes cutting emissions is good, but creating a committee or a climate Tsar to
dictate how the climate should work
is like trying to fix an empty bank account by charging more on my credit
card. Oh wait, that might work
The government is doing that right now. They always know best. Oh wait...

This could be never ending, kinda like this thread...


No, I'm done...

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

At 08:10 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:


On Jun 24, 2009, at 5:31 AM, Lyle Tuttle wrote:

> Question:  Have you watched Fox News?  Listened to Rush Limbaugh?

It's interesting to google for 'average age of fox news viewer'.


May I ask what that has to do with the content or accuracy?  Or are 
you a "sheeple"?  



I've checked out both enough to know that their principal product is
reassurance to their aging audience that the world hasn't changed that
much since they were middle aged.


Wow!  Are you smoking something??

 Fox News also provides soft core porn but the selection is better 
on the internet.


???



There is a market for what these people provide and just because I
don't need their product doesn't mean I begrudge it to those who find
it valuable.


Now that's a relief!!


What I don't get is the obsession with Fox on the part of
the mainstream.


Maybe they just want some "straight news"

It's not as if the dittoheads were actually persuaded by Fox or 
Limbaugh. Their outlook ossified years ago.


Just keep thinking that...better yet, print it out, and open it 
in about 25 years..see what you think then.by then, 
your monthly interest-only payments for what is going on now should 
be down to $29 Billion per dayw/inflation...


Peace my friend.this is America, and we can all think and espouse 
our feelings without recourse...at least for now...and if we're not a 
talk show host



lyle

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

At 07:59 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:20 -0700, Lyle Tuttle 
wrote: > At 09:00 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote: > > 
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:54 -0700, der.hans 
wrote: > Am 23. Jun, > > 2009 schwätzte Bob 
Elzer so: > > moin moin, > > > We didn't 
create > > it.  Al Gore did. > > Apprently he 
didn't make that claim. > > > > 
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp >  
I think that anyone > > who repeats that theory 
of Al Gore doesn't really care anyway. The > > 
sad truth is that our elected representatives 
whether in the House > > or Senate are almost 
all poorly informed about all technology > > 
matters and even worse, it is the corporate 
interests that lobby and > > get their measure. 
Can someone say clean coal? Al Gore was one 
of > > the most informed Senators > > Then why 
is he pushing global warming -- why did he get 
off the global > cooling bandwagon of the 
70's?  Why is the ice increasing? > > Carbon 
offsets???  Who makes money from them?  > > 
Curious people want to know. > > Curious 
lyle  I think you are asking these questions 
of the list not because you wish answers but 
because you think that there is a political point to be made.


No, just follow the money and see where it takes 
US.ALL OF US.  I think the $29 Billion 
(interest only) per month is a heavy load, and 
that does not count the additional $3000 - $4000 
per year energy costs per household we will see with cap & trade..



Does it matter if someone makes money off carbon offsets?


It does if it is a scam...no matter who is making the money.


Isn't the point of capitalism for someone to make a profit?


Yes, for a legitimate product or serviceis it 
a scam or not?  Seems to me that the first guy to 
call for it has changed his mind about 
it..but we are still following a 'political 
icon' as our guru.why?  Is he making money on it?


 Isn't that why we have insurance companies 
smack dab in the middle of health care? Do you 
honestly believe that insurance companies add 
value to the health care equation? The polar 
ice caps are melting at a record pace.


Sorry, I respectfully disagree


Where is it you believe ice is increasing?


South pole..for one.look again.al all 
areas, not just those sections where is has 
decreased..look at the totals - do not pick and choose...


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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Chris Gehlker]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Lyle Tuttle wrote:

> At 07:24 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:23 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
>> > At 09:14 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700, keith smith wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All he does is  
>> try to
>> > > tell us there is Global Warming while there is no real proof.
>> > > >
>> > > 
>> > > just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?
>> > >
>> > > Craig
>> >
>> >
>> > And have you researched any differing opinions, or just took his as
>> > gospel?
>> >
>> > There are ALWAYS two sides to any position...look 'em over, and
>> > make in INFORMED decision.
>> >
>> > Curious lyle
>> 
>> I personally do not claim to have made any hard decisions about  
>> global
>> climate change but obviously the glaciers and the polar ice caps are
>> melting at a record pace.
>
> Really?   I think it depends on who you are listening to.

Here is some hard data:


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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

At 07:24 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:

On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:23 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 09:14 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > >
> > > I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All he does is try to
> > tell us there is Global Warming while there is no real proof.
> > >
> > 
> > just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?
> >
> > Craig
>
>
> And have you researched any differing opinions, or just took his as
> gospel?
>
> There are ALWAYS two sides to any position...look 'em over, and
> make in INFORMED decision.
>
> Curious lyle

I personally do not claim to have made any hard decisions about global
climate change but obviously the glaciers and the polar ice caps are
melting at a record pace.


Really?   I think it depends on who you are listening to.


I think that in my lifetime, there is probably little that can or will
be done to reverse the impact of man on the earth's environment but I
think of us as stewards for the generations that follow.

I think that even after Columbus returned to the Old World,


Are you aware that we actually have MORE forests in the USA now than 
we did then?



I don't think that this is the proper forum for a debate on global
climate change and I am sure I am not well enough informed to have an
intellectual debate on the topic so I think it is better to just let it
pass.


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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Chris Gehlker]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

> I did. The fact that the site is sponsored by Conoco-Phillips would
> indicate that it deserves extra scrutiny, to be sure. So be sure to  
> give
> the content extra scrutiny. I think it'd be foolish though to  
> disregard
> it entirely because of the source or affiliation.

It's a tough issue. I certainly agree that the facts are more  
important than the sponsorship. If the authors of the site had been up  
front about who they were representing, I wouldn't have bothered to  
comment. But my own take is that there are enough sites out there  
which are up front about their sponsorship that I don't have time for  
those that aren't. If a site obscures it's affiliation I think it is   
reasonable to assume that it is deliberately misleading about other  
things.
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Eric Shubert]

Chris Gehlker wrote:
> On Jun 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
> 
>> If anyone is really interested in or would like to ponder some
>> meaningful information regarding global warming, please see
>> http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
>> Of course, people believe what they choose to believe.
> 
> Or you could start with Google rather than a site run by a coal company.
> 
> --
> It is an ironic habit of human beings to run faster when we have lost  
> our way.
> -Rollo May
> 
> 
> 

I did. The fact that the site is sponsored by Conoco-Phillips would 
indicate that it deserves extra scrutiny, to be sure. So be sure to give 
the content extra scrutiny. I think it'd be foolish though to disregard 
it entirely because of the source or affiliation.

I met a Norwegian geologist who had extensive experience with the 
subject when I visited Norway back in '98. He came to many of the same 
conclusions as what are on this page. I thought I had some of his 
(independent) material, but can't locate it at the moment.

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Bob Elzer]

I (me) have created a monster. Sorry.

Everybody missed the little  "lol" after it.

As for Al Gore and his FUD on global warming.

It's amazing to me how in 100 or so years, Scientists have figured out
exactly how the climate works.  

I remember the  Nuclear Winter like conditions that happened when Mt Saint
Helens blew. Oh wait, 
that's just what the scientists said would happen. In real life it didn't.

Yes cutting emissions is good, but creating a committee or a climate Tsar to
dictate how the climate should work
is like trying to fix an empty bank account by charging more on my credit
card. Oh wait, that might work
The government is doing that right now. They always know best. Oh wait...

This could be never ending, kinda like this thread...

Augg !!!



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Bob Elzer wrote:
> We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
> 
> lol
>  

:o Look what you did, Bob! *shakes head and walks away ashamed8

You should know better than to mention anything even remotely political.

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Stephen]

Google would have the backend to support it.. and a business model
that would do well with it...

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote:
>
> On Jun 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
>
>> If anyone is really interested in or would like to ponder some
>> meaningful information regarding global warming, please see
>> http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
>> Of course, people believe what they choose to believe.
>
> Or you could start with Google rather than a site run by a coal company.
>
> --
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> our way.
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>
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Chris Gehlker]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

> If anyone is really interested in or would like to ponder some
> meaningful information regarding global warming, please see
> http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
> Of course, people believe what they choose to believe.

Or you could start with Google rather than a site run by a coal company.

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Ryan Rix]

Bob Elzer wrote:
> We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
> 
> lol
>  

:o Look what you did, Bob! *shakes head and walks away ashamed8

You should know better than to mention anything even remotely political.

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Eric Shubert]

If anyone is really interested in or would like to ponder some 
meaningful information regarding global warming, please see
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
Of course, people believe what they choose to believe.

keith smith wrote:
> 
> I have not.  No need to I do not beleive him.
> 
> Check this out:
> 
> This site http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1849.html
> 
> says this
> 
> "Former Vice President Al Gore has a novel approach for dealing with global 
> warming: tax carbon dioxide emissions instead of"
> 
> Carbon dioxide? Why?  Because you and I emit carbon dioxide.  If they can tax 
> it you and I will be liable to pay tax on our very breath.  What about that 
> beef you eat.  More Carbon Tax  it just keeps going.
> 
> This site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis says
> 
> "Photosynthesis[α] is a process that converts carbon dioxide into organic 
> compounds, especially sugars, using the energy from sunlight.[1] 
> Photosynthesis occurs in plants, algae, and many species of Bacteria, but not 
> in Archaea. Photosynthetic organisms are called photoautotrophs, since it 
> allows them to create their own food. In plants, algae and cyanobacteria 
> photosynthesis uses carbon dioxide and water, releasing oxygen as a waste 
> product.".
> 
> Interestingly enough our planet takes care of this problem automatically. 
> 
> As long as someone stands to gain billions off of something they are trying 
> to convince me of I am suspicious of their motives.
> 
> There are scientist that will tell you there is no global warming. 
> 
> So who do you beleive?  They guy who has little to gain or the guy who will 
> hit the lottery many times over if he convinces you there is global warming?
>  
> ------------
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White  wrote:
> 
>> From: Craig White 
>> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM
>> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700,
>> keith smith wrote:
>>> I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All
>> he does is try to tell us there is Global Warming while
>> there is no real proof.
>> 
>> just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>


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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Chris Gehlker]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Craig White wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 08:15 -0700, Chris Gehlker wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>
>>> The polar ice caps are melting at a record pace. Where is it you
>>> believe
>>> ice is increasing?
>>
>> Maybe at the poles in the next few decades.
>> 
> 
> there is reality and there is theory.
>
> As Johnson clearly states, the reality is..."The pack ice has  
> thinned by
> about 40 percent in the last 30 years and may be nearly gone in a few
> decades, said Johnson."
>
> The theory is that the increased salinity MAY result in new ice sheet
> formations.
>
> Thank you for the lesson on reality vs. theory.

'Theory' doesn't mean what you think it means.


"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some  
aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been  
repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact- 
supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real  
world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a  
theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic  
theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of  
gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity,  
like evolution, is an accepted fact."

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 08:15 -0700, Chris Gehlker wrote:
> On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Craig White wrote:
> 
> > The polar ice caps are melting at a record pace. Where is it you  
> > believe
> > ice is increasing?
> 
> Maybe at the poles in the next few decades.
> 

there is reality and there is theory.

As Johnson clearly states, the reality is..."The pack ice has thinned by
about 40 percent in the last 30 years and may be nearly gone in a few
decades, said Johnson."

The theory is that the increased salinity MAY result in new ice sheet
formations. 

Thank you for the lesson on reality vs. theory.

Craig


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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Chris Gehlker]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Craig White wrote:

> The polar ice caps are melting at a record pace. Where is it you  
> believe
> ice is increasing?

Maybe at the poles in the next few decades.

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Chris Gehlker]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 5:31 AM, Lyle Tuttle wrote:

> Question:  Have you watched Fox News?  Listened to Rush Limbaugh?

It's interesting to google for 'average age of fox news viewer'. I've  
checked out both enough to know that their principal product is  
reassurance to their aging audience that the world hasn't changed that  
much since they were middle aged.  Fox News also provides soft core  
porn but the selection is better on the internet.

There is a market for what these people provide and just because I  
don't need their product doesn't mean I begrudge it to those who find  
it valuable. What I don't get is the obsession with Fox on the part of  
the mainstream. It's not as if the dittoheads were actually persuaded  
by Fox or Limbaugh. Their outlook ossified years ago.
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:20 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 09:00 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:54 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 23. Jun,
> > 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so: > > moin moin, > > > We didn't create
> > it.  Al Gore did. > > Apprently he didn't make that claim. > >
> > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp >  I think that anyone
> > who repeats that theory of Al Gore doesn't really care anyway. The
> > sad truth is that our elected representatives whether in the House
> > or Senate are almost all poorly informed about all technology
> > matters and even worse, it is the corporate interests that lobby and
> > get their measure. Can someone say clean coal? Al Gore was one of
> > the most informed Senators
> 
> Then why is he pushing global warming -- why did he get off the global
> cooling bandwagon of the 70's?  Why is the ice increasing?
> 
> Carbon offsets???  Who makes money from them?  
> 
> Curious people want to know.
> 
> Curious lyle

I think you are asking these questions of the list not because you wish
answers but because you think that there is a political point to be
made.

Does it matter if someone makes money off carbon offsets? Isn't the
point of capitalism for someone to make a profit? Isn't that why we have
insurance companies smack dab in the middle of health care? Do you
honestly believe that insurance companies add value to the health care
equation?

The polar ice caps are melting at a record pace. Where is it you believe
ice is increasing?

Craig


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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:23 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 09:14 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> > > 
> > > I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All he does is try to
> > tell us there is Global Warming while there is no real proof.
> > > 
> > 
> > just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?
> > 
> > Craig
> 
> 
> And have you researched any differing opinions, or just took his as
> gospel?
> 
> There are ALWAYS two sides to any position...look 'em over, and
> make in INFORMED decision.
> 
> Curious lyle

I personally do not claim to have made any hard decisions about global
climate change but obviously the glaciers and the polar ice caps are
melting at a record pace. There also was some clear concerns about the
effects of Freon, acid rain from the sulphurs and particulates released
from burning coal so there are some things that are understood to be
true about man's impact on the environment. This has absolutely nothing
to do with whatever I may think about 'An Inconvenient Truth'.

I think that in my lifetime, there is probably little that can or will
be done to reverse the impact of man on the earth's environment but I
think of us as stewards for the generations that follow.

I think that even after Columbus returned to the Old World, there were
many who still clung to the belief that the earth was still flat and
Galileo was deemed a heretic by the Catholic church because of his
belief that the planets revolved around the sun. I think that history
has demonstrated that will be some who profess to be knowledgeable but
will deny the truth of their own environment.

I don't think that this is the proper forum for a debate on global
climate change and I am sure I am not well enough informed to have an
intellectual debate on the topic so I think it is better to just let it
pass.

Craig


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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 05:31 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> > I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore 'Mr. Mis-Information'
> > and
> > suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you have not seen his
> > movie
> > you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he offers.
> 
> Question:  Have you watched Fox News?  Listened to Rush Limbaugh?
> 
> It is a two-way street, you know.
> 
> Curious lyle

of course I have. I personally dislike Sean Hannity because he is a
character assassin and I think O'Reilly is about as dishonest as they
come. I am of the opinion that Limbaugh doesn't actually believe
everything that he says and is working a formula that has made him rich.

But I am not afraid to listen to people that I don't agree with
(exception is Hannity...I cannot stomach him).

These days, I am a bit tired of politics and that corporate control over
our government is now a forgone conclusion.

Craig


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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore 'Mr. Mis-Information' and
suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you have not seen his movie
you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he offers.


Question:  Have you watched Fox News?  Listened to Rush Limbaugh?

It is a two-way street, you know.

Curious lyle

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

At 09:55 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:54 PM, der.hans wrote:
> Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so:
>
> moin moin,
>
>> We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
>
> Apprently he didn't make that claim.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp



EXCUSE ME??

Perhaps we should check out the Snopes 
folks.who are they, and do they have an 
agenda?  Who IS Snopes, anyway -- a large group 
of folks who research questions, or one or two folks who have an agenda?


Compare with factcheck.org  truthorfiction and 
others.and the make up your own mind


Curious lyle

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

At 09:14 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:

On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700, keith smith wrote:
>
> I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All he does is try 
to tell us there is Global Warming while there is no real proof.

>

just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?

Craig



And have you researched any differing opinions, or just took his as gospel?

There are ALWAYS two sides to any position...look 'em over, and 
make in INFORMED decision.


Curious lyle

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lyle Tuttle]

At 09:00 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:54 -0700, der.hans 
wrote: > Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer 
so: > > moin moin, > > > We didn't create 
it.  Al Gore did. > > Apprently he didn't make 
that claim. > > 
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp >  
I think that anyone who repeats that theory of 
Al Gore doesn't really care anyway. The sad 
truth is that our elected representatives 
whether in the House or Senate are almost all 
poorly informed about all technology matters and 
even worse, it is the corporate interests that 
lobby and get their measure. Can someone say 
clean coal? Al Gore was one of the most informed Senators


Then why is he pushing global warming -- why did 
he get off the global cooling bandwagon of the 
70's?  Why is the ice increasing?


Carbon offsets???  Who makes money from them?

Curious people want to know.

Curious lyle

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:31 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> 
> I have not.  No need to I do not beleive him.

> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White  wrote:
> 
> > From: Craig White 
> > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM
> > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700,
> > keith smith wrote:
> > > 
> > > I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All
> > he does is try to tell us there is Global Warming while
> > there is no real proof.
> > > 
> > 
> > just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?
> > 
> > Craig

I think my point is clear. If you call Al Gore 'Mr. Mis-Information' and
suggest that there is no real proof and yet, you have not seen his movie
you aren't a bit interested in the proof that he offers.

Sometimes to understand people you have to be willing to suspend your
own assumptions...sort of like what was necessary for me to read the
crap by Ayn Rand. I am not a Christian but I have read the New
Testament. I am not a Mormon but I have read the Book of Moroni.

I think I am not afraid to read other people with whom I do not agree
and am not afraid to challenge what I believe to be true. Knowledge and
information is not about only listening to people and reading things
that you believe are true.

I think this conversation is finished.

Craig


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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Austin William Wright]

der.hans wrote:
> [...]
>
> BTW, I wasn't chastising Bob. I've known many people make that reference
> that don't realize it might not actually be what Gore implied. Some even
> heard playback of Gore making the statement, but were pre-disposed to see
> a particular meaning due to lead-in. I just wanted to point out that that
> particular viewpoint doesn't appear to be correct.
No one I know actually believes Gore said "I invented the Internet." At
the very worst they haven't heard the actual claim/poorly phrased answer
in an interview that he /created/ what is phased like the /entire/
Internet. No one in Washington, DC could actually be stupid enough to
mean something like that seriously. ... Wait, no, I take that back.

I must address this movie which was let out of the bag earlier (sorry),
I can't find /any/ base to back it up. Not even the most liberal
(overestimated), doomsday of estimates suggest the sea levels could rise
ten feet (next highest is from the UN at sixty inches). And that
presumes this will continue and climate models are accurate, which they
are not, they don't account for pirate activity: Recent Somalian pirate
activity has been lowering the temperature (check for yourself). (On a
more serious note, other things unaccounted for include ocean currents
and microbes, desert soil, cloud cover and visible, non-greenhouse
particulates most of which lower the temperature, greenhouse gases,
and/or increase cloud cover. There was a massive temperature discrepancy
when the planes were grounded after 9/11, and that's just the tip of the
iceberg. Yea puns.)

Austin Wright.


 
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[der.hans]

Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so:


On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:54 PM, der.hans wrote:

Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so:

moin moin,


We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.


Apprently he didn't make that claim.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp


 maybe the Internet invented Al Gore?  -jmz


  :)

BTW, I wasn't chastising Bob. I've known many people make that reference
that don't realize it might not actually be what Gore implied. Some even
heard playback of Gore making the statement, but were pre-disposed to see
a particular meaning due to lead-in. I just wanted to point out that that
particular viewpoint doesn't appear to be correct.

If we keep repeating and ignoring misinformation it becomes cultural fact.

There are lots of reasons to dislike most any politition. No need to make
stuff up :).

ciao,

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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Joshua Zeidner]

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:54 PM, der.hans wrote:
> Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so:
>
> moin moin,
>
>> We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
>
> Apprently he didn't make that claim.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

  maybe the Internet invented Al Gore?  -jmz

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

Also I read someplace that The Speaker of the House Pelosi is heavily invested 
in windmill technology.

To me it is simple, just follow the money.


Keith Smith


--- On Tue, 6/23/09, keith smith  wrote:

> From: keith smith 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:31 PM
> 
> 
> I have not.  No need to I do not beleive him.
> 
> Check this out:
> 
> This site http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1849.html
> 
> says this
> 
> "Former Vice President Al Gore has a novel approach for
> dealing with global warming: tax carbon dioxide emissions
> instead of"
> 
> Carbon dioxide? Why?  Because you and I emit carbon
> dioxide.  If they can tax it you and I will be liable
> to pay tax on our very breath.  What about that beef
> you eat.  More Carbon Tax  it just keeps going.
> 
> This site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis says
> 
> "Photosynthesis[α] is a process that converts carbon
> dioxide into organic compounds, especially sugars, using the
> energy from sunlight.[1] Photosynthesis occurs in plants,
> algae, and many species of Bacteria, but not in Archaea.
> Photosynthetic organisms are called photoautotrophs, since
> it allows them to create their own food. In plants, algae
> and cyanobacteria photosynthesis uses carbon dioxide and
> water, releasing oxygen as a waste product.".
> 
> Interestingly enough our planet takes care of this problem
> automatically. 
> 
> As long as someone stands to gain billions off of something
> they are trying to convince me of I am suspicious of their
> motives.
> 
> There are scientist that will tell you there is no global
> warming. 
> 
> So who do you beleive?  They guy who has little to
> gain or the guy who will hit the lottery many times over if
> he convinces you there is global warming?
>  
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Craig White 
> > Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM
> > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700,
> > keith smith wrote:
> > > 
> > > I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information. 
> All
> > he does is try to tell us there is Global Warming
> while
> > there is no real proof.
> > > 
> > 
> > just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

I have not.  No need to I do not beleive him.

Check this out:

This site http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1849.html

says this

"Former Vice President Al Gore has a novel approach for dealing with global 
warming: tax carbon dioxide emissions instead of"

Carbon dioxide? Why?  Because you and I emit carbon dioxide.  If they can tax 
it you and I will be liable to pay tax on our very breath.  What about that 
beef you eat.  More Carbon Tax  it just keeps going.

This site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis says

"Photosynthesis[α] is a process that converts carbon dioxide into organic 
compounds, especially sugars, using the energy from sunlight.[1] Photosynthesis 
occurs in plants, algae, and many species of Bacteria, but not in Archaea. 
Photosynthetic organisms are called photoautotrophs, since it allows them to 
create their own food. In plants, algae and cyanobacteria photosynthesis uses 
carbon dioxide and water, releasing oxygen as a waste product.".

Interestingly enough our planet takes care of this problem automatically. 

As long as someone stands to gain billions off of something they are trying to 
convince me of I am suspicious of their motives.

There are scientist that will tell you there is no global warming. 

So who do you beleive?  They guy who has little to gain or the guy who will hit 
the lottery many times over if he convinces you there is global warming?
 

Keith Smith


--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:14 PM
> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700,
> keith smith wrote:
> > 
> > I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All
> he does is try to tell us there is Global Warming while
> there is no real proof.
> > 
> 
> just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?
> 
> Craig
> 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:06 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> 
> I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All he does is try to tell us 
> there is Global Warming while there is no real proof.
> 

just out of curiosity...have you watched his movie?

Craig


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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

I would say Al Gore is Mr. Mis-Information.  All he does is try to tell us 
there is Global Warming while there is no real proof.

The fact is that Al Gore either owns or is a major share holder in a carbon tax 
trading company.  If the carbon tax passes Al Gore will become a 
multi-billionaire.

If the Carbon Tax passes it is estimated that you and I will give the 
government between $300 a month and about $800 a month in additional taxes.  

What will that do to the economy? 


Keith Smith


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> From: Craig White 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:00 PM
> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:54 -0700,
> der.hans wrote:
> > Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so:
> > 
> > moin moin,
> > 
> > > We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
> > 
> > Apprently he didn't make that claim.
> > 
> > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
> > 
> 
> I think that anyone who repeats that theory of Al Gore
> doesn't really
> care anyway.
> 
> The sad truth is that our elected representatives whether
> in the House
> or Senate are almost all poorly informed about all
> technology matters
> and even worse, it is the corporate interests that lobby
> and get their
> measure. Can someone say clean coal? 
> 
> Al Gore was one of the most informed Senators and someone
> that ridicules
> him for something like this is really only interested in
> trying to score
> cheap political points at the cost of intellectual
> honesty.
> 
> I think the reason we get such crappy government is because
> we don't
> care enough to be informed ourselves so that we elect
> informed people to
> office.
> 
> Craig
> 
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:54 -0700, der.hans wrote:
> Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so:
> 
> moin moin,
> 
> > We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.
> 
> Apprently he didn't make that claim.
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
> 

I think that anyone who repeats that theory of Al Gore doesn't really
care anyway.

The sad truth is that our elected representatives whether in the House
or Senate are almost all poorly informed about all technology matters
and even worse, it is the corporate interests that lobby and get their
measure. Can someone say clean coal? 

Al Gore was one of the most informed Senators and someone that ridicules
him for something like this is really only interested in trying to score
cheap political points at the cost of intellectual honesty.

I think the reason we get such crappy government is because we don't
care enough to be informed ourselves so that we elect informed people to
office.

Craig


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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lisa Kachold]

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On 6/23/09, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> Gore did coin the term "information superhighway" and has managed to
> come out of public office relatively unscathed.  He does incredibly
> good works and makes intelligent movies while the rest of bask in
> misinformation and the 7 Deadly Sins (meaning to "miss the mark")
> hopelessly programmed by television.
>
> Most of "us" don't even realize the depth of the NSA's ability to
> intercept information or their use of "network protocols".  The rest
> can't even conceive of where this will all take up on the information
> super dirtway (arrogant with their grasp of limited current
> technology)"
>
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lisa Kachold]

Gore did coin the term "information superhighway" and has managed to
come out of public office relatively unscathed.  He does incredibly
good works and makes intelligent movies while the rest of bask in
misinformation and the 7 Deadly Sins (meaning to "miss the mark")
hopelessly programmed by television.

Most of "us" don't even realize the depth of the NSA's ability to
intercept information or their use of "network protocols".  The rest
can't even conceive of where this will all take up on the information
super dirtway (arrogant with their grasp of limited current
technology)"

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[der.hans]

Am 23. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so:

moin moin,


We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.


Apprently he didn't make that claim.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

And he was one of us...!!!  When Al Gore created the Internet he was working 
for us.


Keith Smith


--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Bob Elzer  wrote:

> From: Bob Elzer 
> Subject: RE: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "'Main PLUG discussion list'" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 6:02 PM
> We didn't create it.  Al Gore
> did.
> 
> lol
>  
> 
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> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
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> On Behalf Of keith
> smith
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: OT: ICANN and NRO
> 
> 
> 
> I seem to think that we created the Internet.  And now
> we want to give it to
> some global body?
> 
> A while back I seem to recall that there were some, for
> lack of a better
> word, sub-nets for sell for $100k.
> 
> I wonder if that is where we are headed.  Each country
> could have it's own
> sub-net and be part of the "Internet".
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Lisa Kachold 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Lisa Kachold 
> > Subject: OT: ICANN and NRO
> > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> > 
> > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:12 PM
> > Article on Siliconerepublic.com about
> > NRO and ICANN changes to come?
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/13257/comms/nro-tells-us-g
> > ovt-icann-is-no-longer-your-domain
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RE: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Bob Elzer]

We didn't create it.  Al Gore did.

lol
 

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I seem to think that we created the Internet.  And now we want to give it to
some global body?

A while back I seem to recall that there were some, for lack of a better
word, sub-nets for sell for $100k.

I wonder if that is where we are headed.  Each country could have it's own
sub-net and be part of the "Internet".


Keith Smith


--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Lisa Kachold  wrote:

> From: Lisa Kachold 
> Subject: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:12 PM
> Article on Siliconerepublic.com about
> NRO and ICANN changes to come?
> 
> 
> http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/13257/comms/nro-tells-us-g
> ovt-icann-is-no-longer-your-domain
> 
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[Lisa Kachold]

On 6/23/09, keith smith  wrote:
>
>
> I seem to think that we created the Internet.  And now we want to give it to
> some global body?

It's a numbers game, I believe?

> A while back I seem to recall that there were some, for lack of a better
> word, sub-nets for sell for $100k.

http://www.icann.org/

More information than you can shake an IPv6 stick at.

> I wonder if that is where we are headed.  Each country could have it's own
> sub-net and be part of the "Internet".

Oh, but that would not be FAIR - some have more need?

Perhaps another technical revolution is required to develop the
technological solutions (everywhere) before human interest takes over?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/nihilism.jpg

> 
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
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>> From: Lisa Kachold 
>> Subject: OT: ICANN and NRO
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:12 PM
>> Article on Siliconerepublic.com about
>> NRO and ICANN changes to come?
>>
>>
>> http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/13257/comms/nro-tells-us-govt-icann-is-no-longer-your-domain
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Re: OT: ICANN and NRO

[keith smith]

I seem to think that we created the Internet.  And now we want to give it to 
some global body?

A while back I seem to recall that there were some, for lack of a better word, 
sub-nets for sell for $100k.

I wonder if that is where we are headed.  Each country could have it's own 
sub-net and be part of the "Internet".


Keith Smith


--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Lisa Kachold  wrote:

> From: Lisa Kachold 
> Subject: OT: ICANN and NRO
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:12 PM
> Article on Siliconerepublic.com about
> NRO and ICANN changes to come?
> 
> 
> http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/13257/comms/nro-tells-us-govt-icann-is-no-longer-your-domain
> 
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