Re: test

[Derek Trotter]

Only for the next 60 seconds as this is only a test.

On 10/08/2012 07:24 PM, Alan Dayley wrote:

Making it through what?

;-)

Alan

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Wayne Davis <mailto:wayda...@centurylink.net>> wrote:


is this making it through?
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Re: test

[Nadim Hoque]

Yes
On Oct 8, 2012 7:22 PM, "Wayne Davis"  wrote:

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Re: test

[Lisa Kachold]

Beware the scrum mentality!

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Alan Dayley  wrote:

> Making it through what?
>
> ;-)
>
> Alan
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Re: test

[Alan Dayley]

Making it through what?

;-)

Alan

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test

[Wayne Davis]

is this making it through?
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Re: Valve looking for Linux Gamers to beta-test?

[Michael Butash]

Tried pulling that up as it appeals greatly to me, but seems the link 
(or their server) is dead...  It's about damn time, and hopefully Valve 
can force vendors (and linux where necessary) to fix their drivers 
finally to do it, much as they already did Intel and Nvidia for linux.


I game quite a bit now under linux, and find it quite suitable (after 
killing compiz permanently and getting adequate hardware).  I've been 
anxiously waiting as steam4linux I'd love to play left4dead 2 across 5-6 
screens on my desktop - minecraft is great full-screen across them all 
for peripheral vision.  Creepers can't creep, but does induce nausea 
with long falls.


-mb


On 09/08/2012 07:57 AM, Stephen wrote:

http://steamforlinux.com/?q=en/node/99

not sure how many of you are gamers, but for those that are heads up!


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Valve looking for Linux Gamers to beta-test?

[Stephen]

http://steamforlinux.com/?q=en/node/99

not sure how many of you are gamers, but for those that are heads up!

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Re: Test Driven Dev for CI?

[Carl Parrish]

I also use Jenkins + phing to run my tests.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Eric Cope  wrote:

> I second using Jenkins to run your tests.
>
> Eric
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Alex Dean  wrote:
> > If I remember correctly Cucumber will make HTTP requests to your test
> server. So there's no reason you couldn't write your tests in Ruby even if
> the server code is PHP.  You can use  CI server like Jenkins to run your
> PHPUnit tests.
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Eric Cope wrote:
> >
> >> I use the light weight unit test library coupled with PHPUnit's code
> coverage tool. If you google PHPUnit and CodeIgniter, someone already has
> integrated them. I've tried to use Selenium's web driver, but PHP is not an
> officially supported language. I never could get them to play nicely.
> >>
> >> Let me know your results.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Vimal Shah  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for an equivalent to the following RubyOnRails tools;
> Cucumber, Capybara and Rspec, for CodeIgnitor (CI)?
> >>>
> >>> Yii recommends PHPUnit and Selenium Remote Control. I don't see why
> these can't be used in CI? Any experience with these and/or Toast(X) for
> CI? I've been pushing TDD away but it seems like I can't run away from it
> anymore.
> >>>
> >>> -Thank you all in advance for your insights!
> >>> Vimal
> >>>
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Re: Test Driven Dev for CI?

[Eric Cope]

I second using Jenkins to run your tests.

Eric

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Alex Dean  wrote:
> If I remember correctly Cucumber will make HTTP requests to your test server. 
> So there's no reason you couldn't write your tests in Ruby even if the server 
> code is PHP.  You can use  CI server like Jenkins to run your PHPUnit tests.
>
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Eric Cope wrote:
>
>> I use the light weight unit test library coupled with PHPUnit's code 
>> coverage tool. If you google PHPUnit and CodeIgniter, someone already has 
>> integrated them. I've tried to use Selenium's web driver, but PHP is not an 
>> officially supported language. I never could get them to play nicely.
>>
>> Let me know your results.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Vimal Shah  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for an equivalent to the following RubyOnRails tools; Cucumber, 
>>> Capybara and Rspec, for CodeIgnitor (CI)?
>>>
>>> Yii recommends PHPUnit and Selenium Remote Control. I don't see why these 
>>> can't be used in CI? Any experience with these and/or Toast(X) for CI? I've 
>>> been pushing TDD away but it seems like I can't run away from it anymore.
>>>
>>> -Thank you all in advance for your insights!
>>> Vimal
>>>
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Re: Test Driven Dev for CI?

[Alex Dean]

If I remember correctly Cucumber will make HTTP requests to your test server. 
So there's no reason you couldn't write your tests in Ruby even if the server 
code is PHP.  You can use  CI server like Jenkins to run your PHPUnit tests.

On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> I use the light weight unit test library coupled with PHPUnit's code coverage 
> tool. If you google PHPUnit and CodeIgniter, someone already has integrated 
> them. I've tried to use Selenium's web driver, but PHP is not an officially 
> supported language. I never could get them to play nicely. 
> 
> Let me know your results. 
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Vimal Shah  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I'm looking for an equivalent to the following RubyOnRails tools; Cucumber, 
>> Capybara and Rspec, for CodeIgnitor (CI)?
>> 
>> Yii recommends PHPUnit and Selenium Remote Control. I don't see why these 
>> can't be used in CI? Any experience with these and/or Toast(X) for CI? I've 
>> been pushing TDD away but it seems like I can't run away from it anymore.
>> 
>> -Thank you all in advance for your insights!
>> Vimal
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Re: Test Driven Dev for CI?

[Eric Cope]

I use the light weight unit test library coupled with PHPUnit's code coverage 
tool. If you google PHPUnit and CodeIgniter, someone already has integrated 
them. I've tried to use Selenium's web driver, but PHP is not an officially 
supported language. I never could get them to play nicely. 

Let me know your results. 

Eric

On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Vimal Shah  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm looking for an equivalent to the following RubyOnRails tools; Cucumber, 
> Capybara and Rspec, for CodeIgnitor (CI)?
> 
> Yii recommends PHPUnit and Selenium Remote Control. I don't see why these 
> can't be used in CI? Any experience with these and/or Toast(X) for CI? I've 
> been pushing TDD away but it seems like I can't run away from it anymore.
> 
> -Thank you all in advance for your insights!
> Vimal
> 
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Test Driven Dev for CI?

[Vimal Shah]

Hello all,

I'm looking for an equivalent to the following RubyOnRails tools; Cucumber,
Capybara and Rspec, for CodeIgnitor (CI)?

Yii recommends PHPUnit and Selenium Remote Control. I don't see why these
can't be used in CI? Any experience with these and/or Toast(X) for CI? I've
been pushing TDD away but it seems like I can't run away from it anymore.

-Thank you all in advance for your insights!
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Re: test a sed command?

[Kevin Fries]

On 09/14/2011 12:41 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:
Thank you all.  Apparently I was not clear that I was talking about 
doing this for a number of files and in potentially several 
directories in a hierarchy.  Since sed seems also to have no recursive 
directory option either, it seems I have to just know which direcories 
have eligable files in them and do it a directory at a time.  I was 
trying to avoid copying all the material to a test directory, but that 
seemed the best course.  Putting Joseph's solution and Kevin's 
suggestion together with globbed file names for a test showed me I 
would feel pretty safe even doing this in the live directories since 
the substitution is of IP addresses which are very definitive in form.


Thanks again!


From your top directory:

   # find . -exec sed -i.bak 's/old/new/g' {} \;

Good Luck
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Re: test a sed command?

[der.hans]

Am 14. Sep, 2011 schwätzte Dazed_75 so:

moin moin,


Thank you all.  Apparently I was not clear that I was talking about doing
this for a number of files and in potentially several directories in a
hierarchy.  Since sed seems also to have no recursive directory option
either, it seems I have to just know which direcories have eligable files in


sed --sedgoo $( find $directories -type f )


them and do it a directory at a time.  I was trying to avoid copying all the
material to a test directory, but that seemed the best course.  Putting


If you do the test directories you can follow previous advice and just
watch the output or you can use a recursive diff.


Joseph's solution and Kevin's suggestion together with globbed file names
for a test showed me I would feel pretty safe even doing this in the live
directories since the substitution is of IP addresses which are very
definitive in form.


A regex to recognize IPv4 addresses: ([12]?[0-9]{1,2}\.){3}[12]?[0-9]{1,2}

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Re: test a sed command?

[Dazed_75]

Thank you all.  Apparently I was not clear that I was talking about doing
this for a number of files and in potentially several directories in a
hierarchy.  Since sed seems also to have no recursive directory option
either, it seems I have to just know which direcories have eligable files in
them and do it a directory at a time.  I was trying to avoid copying all the
material to a test directory, but that seemed the best course.  Putting
Joseph's solution and Kevin's suggestion together with globbed file names
for a test showed me I would feel pretty safe even doing this in the live
directories since the substitution is of IP addresses which are very
definitive in form.

Thanks again!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:

> -i.bak (no space) to keep a backup of the original in case you need to
> revert the changes.
>
> Kevin
> On Sep 13, 2011 10:00 PM, "Dazed_75"  wrote:
> > How do people test sed replacements on something consequential? I thought
> I
> > remembered sed having an option to just report what changes it WOULD HAVE
> > made without actually making the changes. But I can't find anything like
> > that.
> >
> > Best I can think of is to make a test directory [hierarchy], copy your
> files
> > into it, run the sed command and then look at all the files for intended
> and
> > unintended changes (or diff them from the originals). That would seem to
> > suck!
> >
> > --
> > Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
> >
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> occasions,
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> > - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: test a sed command?

[Kevin Fries]

-i.bak (no space) to keep a backup of the original in case you need to
revert the changes.

Kevin
On Sep 13, 2011 10:00 PM, "Dazed_75"  wrote:
> How do people test sed replacements on something consequential? I thought
I
> remembered sed having an option to just report what changes it WOULD HAVE
> made without actually making the changes. But I can't find anything like
> that.
>
> Best I can think of is to make a test directory [hierarchy], copy your
files
> into it, run the sed command and then look at all the files for intended
and
> unintended changes (or diff them from the originals). That would seem to
> suck!
>
> --
> Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
>
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occasions,
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Re: test a sed command?

[Joseph Sinclair]

The default for sed is to output the results to stdout.
If you just leave out the option to write back to the original file, wouldn't 
that work as a test?
Alternatively you could pipe the sed output into diff against the original file
Something like this:
"sed -e '' infile | diff infile -"


On 09/13/2011 09:00 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:
> How do people test sed replacements on something consequential?  I thought I
> remembered sed having an option to just report what changes it WOULD HAVE
> made without actually making the changes.  But I can't find anything like
> that.
> 
> Best I can think of is to make a test directory [hierarchy], copy your files
> into it, run the sed command and then look at all the files for intended and
> unintended changes (or diff them from the originals).  That would seem to
> suck!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: test a sed command?

[Eric Cope]

Can you copy the file to /tmp and run it there?
Eric Cope

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> How do people test sed replacements on something consequential?  I thought
> I remembered sed having an option to just report what changes it WOULD HAVE
> made without actually making the changes.  But I can't find anything like
> that.
>
> Best I can think of is to make a test directory [hierarchy], copy your
> files into it, run the sed command and then look at all the files for
> intended and unintended changes (or diff them from the originals).  That
> would seem to suck!
>
> --
> Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
>
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> that I wish it always to be kept alive.
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test a sed command?

[Dazed_75]

How do people test sed replacements on something consequential?  I thought I
remembered sed having an option to just report what changes it WOULD HAVE
made without actually making the changes.  But I can't find anything like
that.

Best I can think of is to make a test directory [hierarchy], copy your files
into it, run the sed command and then look at all the files for intended and
unintended changes (or diff them from the originals).  That would seem to
suck!

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Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[Lisa Kachold]

Also turn up logs noise and see if the query is at least denied?

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> Ok, firewall involved blocking outbound dns queries?  Something upstream
> blocking dns queries?
>
> Quick test is resolve against 68.2.16.30 (cox's dns server I think is still
> open) or any general dns server outside.  Make sure you can actually perform
> a dns looking outside (allow tcp/udp port 53 traffic to dst of *).  Unless
> you have a managed firewall with anal security, typically cheap little
> bugger firewalls won't block this by default.
>
> Other than that, all I can say is send me all your named.conf files offlist
> and I can try and load it up on one of my working systems to see what's up
> with that.
>
> I'm grasping at straws now unless your version is just plain broken...
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On 08/14/2011 08:53 PM, David Demland wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> It is version 9.3.2 because that is the version I found on the internet
>> that
>> allowed for the DNS poison example to work. The rndc status shows there
>> are
>> 6/1000 recursive clients, but other than that everything is 0. The host
>> command shows very similar to your examples, which is what I expected. I
>> have added the -d 10 to the options, yet I see nothing in the log files.
>> What is the next step?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> David
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.**plug.phoenix.az.us
>> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]
>> On Behalf Of Michael
>> Butash
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:18 PM
>> To: 
>> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us
>> Subject: Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test
>>
>> What version of named?  Maybe different versions...
>>
>> user@idns01:~$ named -v
>> BIND 9.4.2-P2.1
>>
>> Did rndc give any reply?  Do you get *any* response from the server
>> querying it?
>>
>> Usually /var/log/daemon will give you some kind of growling if it's not
>> allowing you to query, see how clean it loads:
>>
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: starting BIND 9.4.2-P2.1 -u bind
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: found 2 CPUs, using 2 worker threads
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: loading configuration from
>> '/etc/bind/named.conf'
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface lo,
>> 127.0.0.1#53
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface eth0,
>> 10.xx.xx.y#53
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone:
>> 254.169.IN-ADDR.ARPA
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone:
>> 2.0.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone:
>> 255.255.255.255.IN-ADDR.ARPA
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: command channel listening on
>> 127.0.0.1#953
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 0.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded serial
>> 1
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded
>> serial 1
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 255.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded
>> serial 1
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone localhost/IN: loaded serial 1
>> Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: running
>>
>> Check using "sudo netstat -anp | grep named" that it's actually
>> *running* right:
>>
>> user@idns01:~$ sudo netstat -anp | grep named
>> tcp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
>>   4763/named
>> tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:*
>> LISTEN  4763/named
>> tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:953   0.0.0.0:*
>> LISTEN  4763/named
>> udp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:*
>>4763/named
>> udp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:*
>>  4763/named
>>
>> Should at least get response for localhost:
>>
>> user@idns01:~$ host 127.0.0.1 10.xx.xx.y
>> Using domain server:
>> Name: 10.xx.xx.y
>> Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
>> Aliases:
>>
>> 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer localhost.
>>
>> You'll know it works when:
>>
>> user@idns01:~$ host yahoo.com 10.xx.xx.y
>> Using domain server:
>> Name: 10.xx.xx.y
>> Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
>> Aliases:
>>
>> yahoo.com has address 209.191.122.70
>> yahoo.com has address 67.195.160.76
>> yahoo.com has address 69.147.125.65
>> yahoo.com has address 72.30.2.43
>> yahoo.com has

Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[Michael Butash]

Ok, firewall involved blocking outbound dns queries?  Something upstream 
blocking dns queries?


Quick test is resolve against 68.2.16.30 (cox's dns server I think is 
still open) or any general dns server outside.  Make sure you can 
actually perform a dns looking outside (allow tcp/udp port 53 traffic to 
dst of *).  Unless you have a managed firewall with anal security, 
typically cheap little bugger firewalls won't block this by default.


Other than that, all I can say is send me all your named.conf files 
offlist and I can try and load it up on one of my working systems to see 
what's up with that.


I'm grasping at straws now unless your version is just plain broken...

-mb


On 08/14/2011 08:53 PM, David Demland wrote:

Michael,

It is version 9.3.2 because that is the version I found on the internet that
allowed for the DNS poison example to work. The rndc status shows there are
6/1000 recursive clients, but other than that everything is 0. The host
command shows very similar to your examples, which is what I expected. I
have added the -d 10 to the options, yet I see nothing in the log files.
What is the next step?

Thank You,

David

-Original Message-
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Michael
Butash
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:18 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

What version of named?  Maybe different versions...

user@idns01:~$ named -v
BIND 9.4.2-P2.1

Did rndc give any reply?  Do you get *any* response from the server
querying it?

Usually /var/log/daemon will give you some kind of growling if it's not
allowing you to query, see how clean it loads:

Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: starting BIND 9.4.2-P2.1 -u bind
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: found 2 CPUs, using 2 worker threads
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: loading configuration from
'/etc/bind/named.conf'
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface lo,
127.0.0.1#53
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface eth0,
10.xx.xx.y#53
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone:
254.169.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone:
2.0.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone:
255.255.255.255.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: command channel listening on
127.0.0.1#953
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 0.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded
serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 255.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded
serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone localhost/IN: loaded serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: running

Check using "sudo netstat -anp | grep named" that it's actually
*running* right:

user@idns01:~$ sudo netstat -anp | grep named
tcp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
   4763/named
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:*
LISTEN  4763/named
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:953   0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN  4763/named
udp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:*
4763/named
udp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:*
  4763/named

Should at least get response for localhost:

user@idns01:~$ host 127.0.0.1 10.xx.xx.y
Using domain server:
Name: 10.xx.xx.y
Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
Aliases:

1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer localhost.

You'll know it works when:

user@idns01:~$ host yahoo.com 10.xx.xx.y
Using domain server:
Name: 10.xx.xx.y
Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
Aliases:

yahoo.com has address 209.191.122.70
yahoo.com has address 67.195.160.76
yahoo.com has address 69.147.125.65
yahoo.com has address 72.30.2.43
yahoo.com has address 98.137.149.56


If still nada, launch named with "-d 10" flag adding to named daemon
launch options, modifying the init script or default options files for
respective distro.

Should shed some light on it, otherwise there's tons of docs a google away.

HTH


On 08/14/2011 07:52 PM, David Demland wrote:

Lisa and Michael,

Thank you for your input. I did not think about the rndc so I reloaded
just for the heck of it. Yet I am still not getting Metasploit to show
the recursive call working. Here is the named.conf.options file:

options {

  directory "/var/cache/bind";

  dump-file "/var/cache/bind/data/cache_dump.db";

  statistics-file "/var/cache/bind/data/named_stats.txt";

  recursion yes;

  auth-nxdomain no;# conform to RFC1035

  allow-recursion { any; };

  allow-query { any; };

  //  allow-query-cache { any; };

  listen-on port 53 { any; };

};

I was unable to get the allow-

RE: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[David Demland]

Michael,

It is version 9.3.2 because that is the version I found on the internet that
allowed for the DNS poison example to work. The rndc status shows there are
6/1000 recursive clients, but other than that everything is 0. The host
command shows very similar to your examples, which is what I expected. I
have added the -d 10 to the options, yet I see nothing in the log files.
What is the next step?

Thank You,

David

-Original Message-
From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Michael
Butash
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:18 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

What version of named?  Maybe different versions...

user@idns01:~$ named -v
BIND 9.4.2-P2.1

Did rndc give any reply?  Do you get *any* response from the server 
querying it?

Usually /var/log/daemon will give you some kind of growling if it's not 
allowing you to query, see how clean it loads:

Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: starting BIND 9.4.2-P2.1 -u bind
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: found 2 CPUs, using 2 worker threads
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: loading configuration from 
'/etc/bind/named.conf'
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface lo, 
127.0.0.1#53
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface eth0, 
10.xx.xx.y#53
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone: 
254.169.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone: 
2.0.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone: 
255.255.255.255.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: command channel listening on 
127.0.0.1#953
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 0.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded 
serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 255.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded 
serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone localhost/IN: loaded serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: running

Check using "sudo netstat -anp | grep named" that it's actually 
*running* right:

user@idns01:~$ sudo netstat -anp | grep named
tcp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN 
  4763/named
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:* 
LISTEN  4763/named
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:953   0.0.0.0:* 
LISTEN  4763/named
udp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:* 
   4763/named
udp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:* 
 4763/named

Should at least get response for localhost:

user@idns01:~$ host 127.0.0.1 10.xx.xx.y
Using domain server:
Name: 10.xx.xx.y
Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
Aliases:

1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer localhost.

You'll know it works when:

user@idns01:~$ host yahoo.com 10.xx.xx.y
Using domain server:
Name: 10.xx.xx.y
Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
Aliases:

yahoo.com has address 209.191.122.70
yahoo.com has address 67.195.160.76
yahoo.com has address 69.147.125.65
yahoo.com has address 72.30.2.43
yahoo.com has address 98.137.149.56


If still nada, launch named with "-d 10" flag adding to named daemon 
launch options, modifying the init script or default options files for 
respective distro.

Should shed some light on it, otherwise there's tons of docs a google away.

HTH


On 08/14/2011 07:52 PM, David Demland wrote:
> Lisa and Michael,
>
> Thank you for your input. I did not think about the rndc so I reloaded
> just for the heck of it. Yet I am still not getting Metasploit to show
> the recursive call working. Here is the named.conf.options file:
>
> options {
>
>  directory "/var/cache/bind";
>
>  dump-file "/var/cache/bind/data/cache_dump.db";
>
>  statistics-file "/var/cache/bind/data/named_stats.txt";
>
>  recursion yes;
>
>  auth-nxdomain no;# conform to RFC1035
>
>  allow-recursion { any; };
>
>  allow-query { any; };
>
>  //  allow-query-cache { any; };
>
>  listen-on port 53 { any; };
>
> };
>
> I was unable to get the allow-query-cache line to load, I am not sure
> what I did wrong.
>
> I did find the same pages and I have been through them, but I do not see
> what I am missing. What else am I missing?
>
> Thank You,
>
> David
>
> P.S.
>
> Lisa - thank you so much for yesterday. You have really given my class a
> lot to talk about. I am looking forward to class this week with them to
> see what else is said.
>
> *From:*plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of
> *Lisa Kachold
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 14

Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[Michael Butash]

What version of named?  Maybe different versions...

user@idns01:~$ named -v
BIND 9.4.2-P2.1

Did rndc give any reply?  Do you get *any* response from the server 
querying it?


Usually /var/log/daemon will give you some kind of growling if it's not 
allowing you to query, see how clean it loads:


Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: starting BIND 9.4.2-P2.1 -u bind
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: found 2 CPUs, using 2 worker threads
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: loading configuration from 
'/etc/bind/named.conf'
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface lo, 
127.0.0.1#53
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: listening on IPv4 interface eth0, 
10.xx.xx.y#53
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone: 
254.169.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone: 
2.0.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: automatic empty zone: 
255.255.255.255.IN-ADDR.ARPA
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: command channel listening on 
127.0.0.1#953

Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 0.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded 
serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone 255.in-addr.arpa/IN: loaded 
serial 1

Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: zone localhost/IN: loaded serial 1
Aug 14 20:03:32 idns01 named[17031]: running

Check using "sudo netstat -anp | grep named" that it's actually 
*running* right:


user@idns01:~$ sudo netstat -anp | grep named
tcp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN 
 4763/named
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:* 
LISTEN  4763/named
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:953   0.0.0.0:* 
LISTEN  4763/named
udp0  0 10.xx.xx.y:53 0.0.0.0:* 
  4763/named
udp0  0 127.0.0.1:530.0.0.0:* 
4763/named


Should at least get response for localhost:

user@idns01:~$ host 127.0.0.1 10.xx.xx.y
Using domain server:
Name: 10.xx.xx.y
Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
Aliases:

1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer localhost.

You'll know it works when:

user@idns01:~$ host yahoo.com 10.xx.xx.y
Using domain server:
Name: 10.xx.xx.y
Address: 10.xx.xx.y#53
Aliases:

yahoo.com has address 209.191.122.70
yahoo.com has address 67.195.160.76
yahoo.com has address 69.147.125.65
yahoo.com has address 72.30.2.43
yahoo.com has address 98.137.149.56


If still nada, launch named with "-d 10" flag adding to named daemon 
launch options, modifying the init script or default options files for 
respective distro.


Should shed some light on it, otherwise there's tons of docs a google away.

HTH


On 08/14/2011 07:52 PM, David Demland wrote:

Lisa and Michael,

Thank you for your input. I did not think about the rndc so I reloaded
just for the heck of it. Yet I am still not getting Metasploit to show
the recursive call working. Here is the named.conf.options file:

options {

 directory "/var/cache/bind";

 dump-file "/var/cache/bind/data/cache_dump.db";

 statistics-file "/var/cache/bind/data/named_stats.txt";

 recursion yes;

 auth-nxdomain no;# conform to RFC1035

 allow-recursion { any; };

 allow-query { any; };

 //  allow-query-cache { any; };

 listen-on port 53 { any; };

};

I was unable to get the allow-query-cache line to load, I am not sure
what I did wrong.

I did find the same pages and I have been through them, but I do not see
what I am missing. What else am I missing?

Thank You,

David

P.S.

Lisa – thank you so much for yesterday. You have really given my class a
lot to talk about. I am looking forward to class this week with them to
see what else is said.

*From:*plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of
*Lisa Kachold
*Sent:* Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:48 PM
*To:* Main PLUG discussion list
*Subject:* Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

Hi David!

Nice to see you on Saturday!

Bind9 can be fussy (rndc controls everything).

You ARE changing the right item to turn recursion on.
http://www.eukhost.com/forums/f15/turning-off-dns-recursion-bind-2283/

But you can also do this in a Bind9 ACL using the "Views" feature:
http://www.bind9.net/manual/bind/9.3.1/Bv9ARM.ch07.html
http://oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/networking/news/views_0501.html

Are you restarting named after a change? "/etc/init.d/named restart"
If you have rndc are you reloading? "rdnc reload"

Do you have logging turned on, so you can see what is happening?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto

Are you editing the right file? There's a chroot? "locate named.conf"

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Demland mailto:deml...@cox.net>&g

RE: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[David Demland]

Lisa and Michael,

 

Thank you for your input. I did not think about the rndc so I reloaded just for 
the heck of it. Yet I am still not getting Metasploit to show the recursive 
call working. Here is the named.conf.options file:

 

options {

directory "/var/cache/bind";

dump-file "/var/cache/bind/data/cache_dump.db";

statistics-file "/var/cache/bind/data/named_stats.txt";

recursion yes;

auth-nxdomain no;# conform to RFC1035

allow-recursion { any; };

allow-query { any; };

//  allow-query-cache { any; };

listen-on port 53 { any; };

};

 

I was unable to get the allow-query-cache line to load, I am not sure what I 
did wrong.

 

I did find the same pages and I have been through them, but I do not see what I 
am missing. What else am I missing?

 

Thank You,

 

David

 

P.S.

 

Lisa – thank you so much for yesterday. You have really given my class a lot to 
talk about. I am looking forward to class this week with them to see what else 
is said.

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:48 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

 

Hi David!

Nice to see you on Saturday!  

Bind9 can be fussy (rndc controls everything).

You ARE changing the right item to turn recursion on. 
http://www.eukhost.com/forums/f15/turning-off-dns-recursion-bind-2283/

But you can also do this in a Bind9 ACL using the "Views" feature:
http://www.bind9.net/manual/bind/9.3.1/Bv9ARM.ch07.html
http://oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/networking/news/views_0501.html

Are you restarting named after a change? "/etc/init.d/named restart"
If you have rndc are you reloading?  "rdnc reload"

Do you have logging turned on, so you can see what is happening?  
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto

Are you editing the right file?  There's a chroot?  "locate named.conf"



On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Demland  wrote:

I am trying to set up a DNS poisoning test as an example for my class. I have 
setup both an Ubuntu 6.10 and 10.10 server. When I use my Backtrack system to 
check the DNS server I get a message “This server is not replying to recursive 
requests”. I have added “allow-recursion { any; };” to my configuration file. 
Yet the Backtrack system still fails. What do I have to do to allow on the DNS 
server for the Backtrack system to do the recursive request?

 

Thank you for your help,

 

David


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Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[Michael Butash]

Make sure you're listening on the right interface (not just 127.0.0.1) 
and you allow-query any as well as recursion.


options {
directory "/var/cache/bind";
pid-file "/var/run/bind/run/named.pid";
statistics-file "/var/run/named.stats";
auth-nxdomain no;# conform to RFC1035
// listen-on-v6 { any; };
listen-on port 53 { any; };
allow-recursion { 10.0.0.0/8; };
allow-query { any; };
allow-query-cache { any; };
};

-mb


On 08/14/2011 10:27 AM, David Demland wrote:

I am trying to set up a DNS poisoning test as an example for my class. I
have setup both an Ubuntu 6.10 and 10.10 server. When I use my Backtrack
system to check the DNS server I get a message “This server is not
replying to recursive requests”. I have added “allow-recursion { any;
};” to my configuration file. Yet the Backtrack system still fails. What
do I have to do to allow on the DNS server for the Backtrack system to
do the recursive request?

Thank you for your help,

David



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Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[Lisa Kachold]

Hi David!

Nice to see you on Saturday!

Bind9 can be fussy (rndc controls everything).

You ARE changing the right item to turn recursion on.
http://www.eukhost.com/forums/f15/turning-off-dns-recursion-bind-2283/

But you can also do this in a Bind9 ACL using the "Views" feature:
http://www.bind9.net/manual/bind/9.3.1/Bv9ARM.ch07.html
http://oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/networking/news/views_0501.html

Are you restarting named after a change? "/etc/init.d/named restart"
If you have rndc are you reloading?  "rdnc reload"

Do you have logging turned on, so you can see what is happening?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto

Are you editing the right file?  There's a chroot?  "locate named.conf"


On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Demland  wrote:

> I am trying to set up a DNS poisoning test as an example for my class. I
> have setup both an Ubuntu 6.10 and 10.10 server. When I use my Backtrack
> system to check the DNS server I get a message “This server is not replying
> to recursive requests”. I have added “allow-recursion { any; };” to my
> configuration file. Yet the Backtrack system still fails. What do I have to
> do to allow on the DNS server for the Backtrack system to do the recursive
> request?
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you for your help,
>
> ** **
>
> David
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Setting Up Bind9 Test

[David Demland]

I am trying to set up a DNS poisoning test as an example for my class. I
have setup both an Ubuntu 6.10 and 10.10 server. When I use my Backtrack
system to check the DNS server I get a message "This server is not replying
to recursive requests". I have added "allow-recursion { any; };" to my
configuration file. Yet the Backtrack system still fails. What do I have to
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RE: Ot hard drive stress test

[ChasM Marshall]

Hiya,

  I'm gonna fourth (or fifth) it for the WDC hard drives.
The best recommendation is the "Raptor" line. They are 10,000 rpm discs.

  For crazy fun I got two of these, back when 70Gb was the biggest size.
I used mobo-based firmware and made them into a single RAID-Zero stripe set.  
Performance stripe.  Like, crazy-wow load and startup times.  Through-put, put 
through!
  I did a Win XP pro installation and the MS software didn't even notice.
'Twas all a giant C: of 140Gb.  That was years ago, and the installation is 
still fine.
Now, the big size for Raptors is 'round 170Gb each, I haven't checked lately.

  All sytems, Linux or MS or Mac are limited by the HD speed bottleneck.
It's nice to see how easy it is to almost DOUBLE their throughput.

  Also, Hitachi drives are a good second choice.  These guys bought all the IBM 
patents
and research and took over all the IBM production sites.  Personally I feel the
technological advantage that the U.S. held, has left the building. 
Asian production will eventually (maybe already!) outstrip even the WDC 
products.

  I too have seen misery from Maxtor.  They just don't have production quality 
control.
Fujitsu is the same way.  I'm saddened every time I see a PC with these 
installed.
Future misery in these brands.

  (-:  Chas.M.  :-)

> From: cryptwo...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:24:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: Ot hard drive stress test
> To: nadimho...@gmail.com; plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> 
> I have been preferential with WD and Hitachi HDD's from when i ran
> support for a whitebox vendor (server and desktop) the lowest number
> of issues/RMA's were these drives.
> 
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Nadim Hoque  wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering what are 
> > some good hard drive stress test and how long should I let it run for. I 
> > also do not mind what platform (windows, mac, or linux) it will run on. 
> > Speaking of hard drives, which brand do u guys recommend?
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Stephen]

I have been preferential with WD and Hitachi HDD's from when i ran
support for a whitebox vendor (server and desktop) the lowest number
of issues/RMA's were these drives.

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Nadim Hoque  wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering what are 
> some good hard drive stress test and how long should I let it run for. I also 
> do not mind what platform (windows, mac, or linux) it will run on. Speaking 
> of hard drives, which brand do u guys recommend?
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Stephen]

For long term stress I have used Bart's Stuff Test for Linux bonnie
can be done in such a way as to loop for a given number of passes.
bart's was easier.

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> Hey,
>
> I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering what are 
> some good hard drive stress test and how long should I let it run for. I also 
> do not mind what platform (windows, mac, or linux) it will run on. Speaking 
> of hard drives, which brand do u guys recommend?
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Eric Shubert]

It should be mentioned that, while reliability differences between 
server and consumer lines are negligible, server lines typically have a 
longer warranty period (WD Black is 5 yr), while consumer lines are 
usually 1-3 years, depending on mfr and model.


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Joseph Sinclair wrote:

A statistical analysis was published on a variety of disk drive lines a few 
years ago with a sample size of well over 100,000 drives[1].
Other studies have shown negligible actual reliability differences between 
server and consumer lines across large populations.
Quality on consumer drives tends to be more variable, but no lower overall.

I've seen all of the major brands work and fail at similar rates across large 
numbers of drives.  Sometimes a batch will be bad, and age-in-store has a huge 
impact on reliability.

Overall, run load as heavy as your main application will do for the first 3 
months, as many drive failures seem to happen then (and it'll be in warranty).
After that, the next spike in failure happens at around 2 years and failure 
rates remain high thereafter.

MTBF numbers seem to be largely irrelevant.

Interestingly, SMART data seem to also be largely useless as well.


[1] http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

Brian Cluff wrote:

I'll third on western digital, seagates are also pretty good, but
whatever you do don't even start to consider Maxtor.  They seem to have
a near 100% failure rate.  It's not if they are going to fail, but when.

Also don't go with any hard drive manufacturers budget line or low end
drive, try and go for drives that are made for server.  They aren't all
that much more, but seem to have much lower failure rates.

Brian Cluff

On 05/19/2010 03:14 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:

+2 on Bonnie++

I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives. I have
had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well for me.



On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean mailto:a...@crackpot.org>> wrote:


On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:

Hey,

I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering
what are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I
let it run for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac,
or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand
do u guys recommend?


Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress
testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if
it works on OSX or windows.

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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[keith smith]

Okay, Thanks!


Keith Smith

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From: Eric Shubert 
Subject: Re: Ot hard drive stress test
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 5:43 PM

They're the more expensive ones. ;)
Seriously though, for WD they're the Black labeled ones. I don't know for the 
other manufacturers.

keith smith wrote:
> 
> 
> If I go to a place like 
> http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=15&name=Hard-Drives  How 
> do I know which drives are made for servers?
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
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> 
> 
>     From: Brian Cluff 
>     Subject: Re: Ot hard drive stress test
>     To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>     Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 5:20 PM
> 
>     I'll third on western digital, seagates are also pretty good, but
>     whatever you do don't even start to consider Maxtor.  They seem to have
>     a near 100% failure rate.  It's not if they are going to fail, but when.
> 
>     Also don't go with any hard drive manufacturers budget line or low end
>     drive, try and go for drives that are made for server.  They aren't all
>     that much more, but seem to have much lower failure rates.
> 
>     Brian Cluff
> 
>     On 05/19/2010 03:14 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
>      > +2 on Bonnie++
>      >
>      > I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives.
>     I have
>      > had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well
>     for me.
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean      
>      > <mailto:a...@crackpot.org >> wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      >     On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:
>      >
>      >         Hey,
>      >
>      >         I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was
>     wondering
>      >         what are some good hard drive stress test and how long
>     should I
>      >         let it run for. I also do not mind what platform
>     (windows, mac,
>      >         or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which
>     brand
>      >         do u guys recommend?
>      >
>      >
>      >     Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for
>     stress
>      >     testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not
>     sure if
>      >     it works on OSX or windows.
>      >
>      >     alex
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Brian Cluff]

Unfortunately, I don't have any hard numbers, but my experience comes 
from the Desktop environment and the "server grade" drives seemed to do 
a little bit better than when I used consumer grade drives.  Perhaps 
that handle power cycling better.


I do wish I had kept really good notes though since I had at least 
10,000 drives go though my hands, and it would be interesting.


Brian

On 05/19/2010 06:58 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:

A statistical analysis was published on a variety of disk drive lines a few 
years ago with a sample size of well over 100,000 drives[1].
Other studies have shown negligible actual reliability differences between 
server and consumer lines across large populations.
Quality on consumer drives tends to be more variable, but no lower overall.

I've seen all of the major brands work and fail at similar rates across large 
numbers of drives.  Sometimes a batch will be bad, and age-in-store has a huge 
impact on reliability.

Overall, run load as heavy as your main application will do for the first 3 
months, as many drive failures seem to happen then (and it'll be in warranty).
After that, the next spike in failure happens at around 2 years and failure 
rates remain high thereafter.

MTBF numbers seem to be largely irrelevant.

Interestingly, SMART data seem to also be largely useless as well.


[1] http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

Brian Cluff wrote:

I'll third on western digital, seagates are also pretty good, but
whatever you do don't even start to consider Maxtor.  They seem to have
a near 100% failure rate.  It's not if they are going to fail, but when.

Also don't go with any hard drive manufacturers budget line or low end
drive, try and go for drives that are made for server.  They aren't all
that much more, but seem to have much lower failure rates.

Brian Cluff

On 05/19/2010 03:14 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:

+2 on Bonnie++

I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives. I have
had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well for me.



On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Deanmailto:a...@crackpot.org>>  wrote:


 On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:

 Hey,

 I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering
 what are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I
 let it run for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac,
 or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand
 do u guys recommend?


 Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress
 testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Joseph Sinclair]

A statistical analysis was published on a variety of disk drive lines a few 
years ago with a sample size of well over 100,000 drives[1].
Other studies have shown negligible actual reliability differences between 
server and consumer lines across large populations.
Quality on consumer drives tends to be more variable, but no lower overall.

I've seen all of the major brands work and fail at similar rates across large 
numbers of drives.  Sometimes a batch will be bad, and age-in-store has a huge 
impact on reliability.

Overall, run load as heavy as your main application will do for the first 3 
months, as many drive failures seem to happen then (and it'll be in warranty).
After that, the next spike in failure happens at around 2 years and failure 
rates remain high thereafter.

MTBF numbers seem to be largely irrelevant.

Interestingly, SMART data seem to also be largely useless as well.


[1] http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

Brian Cluff wrote:
> I'll third on western digital, seagates are also pretty good, but
> whatever you do don't even start to consider Maxtor.  They seem to have
> a near 100% failure rate.  It's not if they are going to fail, but when.
> 
> Also don't go with any hard drive manufacturers budget line or low end
> drive, try and go for drives that are made for server.  They aren't all
> that much more, but seem to have much lower failure rates.
> 
> Brian Cluff
> 
> On 05/19/2010 03:14 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
>> +2 on Bonnie++
>>
>> I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives. I have
>> had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean > <mailto:a...@crackpot.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering
>> what are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I
>> let it run for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac,
>> or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand
>> do u guys recommend?
>>
>>
>> Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress
>> testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if
>> it works on OSX or windows.
>>
>> alex
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Eric Shubert]

They're the more expensive ones. ;)
Seriously though, for WD they're the Black labeled ones. I don't know 
for the other manufacturers.


keith smith wrote:



If I go to a place like 
http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=15&name=Hard-Drives  
How do I know which drives are made for servers?



Keith Smith

--- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Brian Cluff //* wrote:


From: Brian Cluff 
Subject: Re: Ot hard drive stress test
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 5:20 PM

I'll third on western digital, seagates are also pretty good, but
whatever you do don't even start to consider Maxtor.  They seem to have
a near 100% failure rate.  It's not if they are going to fail, but when.

Also don't go with any hard drive manufacturers budget line or low end
drive, try and go for drives that are made for server.  They aren't all
that much more, but seem to have much lower failure rates.

Brian Cluff

On 05/19/2010 03:14 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
 > +2 on Bonnie++
 >
 > I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives.
I have
 > had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well
for me.
 >
 >
 >
 > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean 
 > <mailto:a...@crackpot.org >> wrote:
 >
 >
 > On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:
 >
 > Hey,
 >
 > I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was
wondering
 > what are some good hard drive stress test and how long
should I
 > let it run for. I also do not mind what platform
(windows, mac,
 > or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which
brand
 > do u guys recommend?
 >
 >
 > Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for
stress
 > testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not
sure if
 > it works on OSX or windows.
 >
 > alex
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[keith smith]

If I go to a place like 
http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=15&name=Hard-Drives  How do 
I know which drives are made for servers?



Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Brian Cluff  wrote:

From: Brian Cluff 
Subject: Re: Ot hard drive stress test
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 5:20 PM

I'll third on western digital, seagates are also pretty good, but 
whatever you do don't even start to consider Maxtor.  They seem to have 
a near 100% failure rate.  It's not if they are going to fail, but when.

Also don't go with any hard drive manufacturers budget line or low end 
drive, try and go for drives that are made for server.  They aren't all 
that much more, but seem to have much lower failure rates.

Brian Cluff

On 05/19/2010 03:14 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
> +2 on Bonnie++
>
> I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives. I have
> had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well for me.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean  <mailto:a...@crackpot.org>> wrote:
>
>
>     On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:
>
>         Hey,
>
>         I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering
>         what are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I
>         let it run for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac,
>         or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand
>         do u guys recommend?
>
>
>     Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress
>     testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if
>     it works on OSX or windows.
>
>     alex
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Brian Cluff]

I'll third on western digital, seagates are also pretty good, but 
whatever you do don't even start to consider Maxtor.  They seem to have 
a near 100% failure rate.  It's not if they are going to fail, but when.


Also don't go with any hard drive manufacturers budget line or low end 
drive, try and go for drives that are made for server.  They aren't all 
that much more, but seem to have much lower failure rates.


Brian Cluff

On 05/19/2010 03:14 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:

+2 on Bonnie++

I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives. I have
had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well for me.



On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean mailto:a...@crackpot.org>> wrote:


On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:

Hey,

I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering
what are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I
let it run for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac,
or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand
do u guys recommend?


Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress
testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if
it works on OSX or windows.

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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Eric Shubert]

The badblocks command is what the mkfs.ext3 command uses when given 2 -c 
flags. Not quite the same flags overall, but it gets the job done. Just 
be sure to use it before/when you create the filesystem. ;)


Technomage wrote:

badblocks in linux is an excellent stress test

code:
badblocks -f -t random -w -p 10 -s -v /dev/

this will do 10 passes of a random pattern in destructive read/write 
mode, indicate
which blocks its writing and print any addition debug info. I have used 
this on all
new drives to force the drive to map bad clusters into its on-board 
firmware.


On 5/19/10 3:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:

Hey,

I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering what 
are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I let it run 
for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac, or linux) it will 
run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand do u guys recommend?


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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Technomage]

badblocks in linux is an excellent stress test

code:
badblocks -f -t random -w -p 10 -s -v /dev/

this will do 10 passes of a random pattern in destructive read/write 
mode, indicate
which blocks its writing and print any addition debug info. I have used 
this on all
new drives to force the drive to map bad clusters into its on-board 
firmware.


On 5/19/10 3:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:

Hey,

I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering what are some 
good hard drive stress test and how long should I let it run for. I also do not 
mind what platform (windows, mac, or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard 
drives, which brand do u guys recommend?

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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Eric Shubert]

I like WD as well. Their warranty exchange process is a breeze, and they 
also have a nice customer loyalty program that saves some $$ when 
replacing a drive that is out of warranty.


AFA testing goes, I simply use mkfs.ext3 and use 2 -c flags. This does 4 
complete cycles (1010, 0101, , ) of writes and reads to the 
partition. I do this especially on used drives, but have begun doing it 
on new ones as well. Not exactly a stress test, but I'm more interested 
in finding existing problems than causing new ones. ;)


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Shawn Badger wrote:

+2 on Bonnie++

I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives. I have 
had a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well for me.




On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean <mailto:a...@crackpot.org>> wrote:



On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:

Hey,

I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering
what are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I
let it run for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac,
or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand
do u guys recommend?


Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress
testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if
it works on OSX or windows.

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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Shawn Badger]

+2 on Bonnie++

I also tend to like the Western digital line for IDE/SATA drives. I have had
a few bad ones (out of hundreds), but they tend to run well for me.



On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alex Dean  wrote:

>
> On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:
>
>  Hey,
>>
>> I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering what are
>> some good hard drive stress test and how long should I let it run for. I
>> also do not mind what platform (windows, mac, or linux) it will run on.
>> Speaking of hard drives, which brand do u guys recommend?
>>
>
> Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress testing
> as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if it works on OSX
> or windows.
>
> alex
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Re: Ot hard drive stress test

[Alex Dean]

On May 19, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote:


Hey,

I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering  
what are some good hard drive stress test and how long should I let  
it run for. I also do not mind what platform (windows, mac, or  
linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard drives, which brand do u  
guys recommend?


Bonnie++ is a disk benchmarking tool, but you can use it for stress  
testing as well.  Pretty easy to compile on Linux.  I'm not sure if it  
works on OSX or windows.


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Ot hard drive stress test

[Nadim Hoque]

Hey,

I am buying a new hard drive for my computer and I was wondering what are some 
good hard drive stress test and how long should I let it run for. I also do not 
mind what platform (windows, mac, or linux) it will run on. Speaking of hard 
drives, which brand do u guys recommend?

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Re: RHCE test dates?

[blake gonterman]

I just signed up for the May boot camp with Unitek. Anyone else want to
study for it?

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>  Tempe
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>
>   I am attending that RHCE class as well  what part of town are in?
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Taylor, Kaia wrote:
>
>>  To my surprise, I just got management approval to attend the RHCE class
>> + exam which starts a week from today, March 15-19 with the exam on the
>> 19th.  So I enrolled, of course!
>> Is anyone else from PLUG attending the full week?  Anyone who can help me
>> study?
>>
>> I asked my Redhat contact how many were enrolled and as of about 30
>> minutes ago, there were 8 out of a maximum 14 in the class.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
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>> Phariss
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:39 PM
>>
>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>> *Subject:* Re: RHCE test dates?
>>
>>   did the march 15 one fill up?  I signed up on monday.
>> .
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:56 PM, blake gonterman wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I was looking into just doing the full 5day bootcamp and exam. I
>>> was surprised to see it wasnt till mid-May though :(
>>>
>>>   On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones <
>>> charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just to get the
>>>> exam over with!
>>>>
>>>> -Charles
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I
>>>>> checked.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
>>>>> > I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the
>>>>> RedHat site
>>>>> > ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it
>>>>> seems to
>>>>> > indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May
>>>>> 14th...the
>>>>> > spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing
>>>>> dates for
>>>>> > just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Note that I checked both locations:
>>>>> > "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central
>>>>> Avenue, and
>>>>> > "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
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RE: RHCE test dates?

[Taylor, Kaia]

Tempe
 
 
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From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: RHCE test dates?


I am attending that RHCE class as well  what part of town are in?



On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Taylor, Kaia 
wrote:


To my surprise, I just got management approval to attend the
RHCE class + exam which starts a week from today, March 15-19 with the
exam on the 19th.  So I enrolled, of course!  
Is anyone else from PLUG attending the full week?  Anyone who
can help me study?
 
I asked my Redhat contact how many were enrolled and as of about
30 minutes ago, there were 8 out of a maximum 14 in the class.
 
 
Regards,
Kaia Taylor
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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:39 PM 

To: Main PLUG discussion list

    Subject: Re: RHCE test dates?


did the march 15 one fill up?  I signed up on monday.
.


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:56 PM, blake gonterman
 wrote:


Yeah, I was looking into just doing the full 5day
bootcamp and exam. I was surprised to see it wasnt till mid-May though
:(


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones
 wrote:


Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of
state just to get the exam over with! 

-Charles


On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold
 wrote:


No, actually they occur here at most
once a year, or did last I checked.




On 2/9/10, Charles Jones
 wrote:
> I thought the RHCE exams were given
monthly. I just checked the RedHat site
> (
https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems to
> indicate that the next available RHCE
exam date is not until May 14th...the
> spacing on that seems pretty far?  I
did notice that the testing dates for
> just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>
> Note that I checked both locations:
> "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical
Training 3110 N. Central Avenue, and
> "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix
101 N. 1st Ave.
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Re: RHCE test dates?

[Steve Phariss]

I am attending that RHCE class as well  what part of town are in?


On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Taylor, Kaia wrote:

>  To my surprise, I just got management approval to attend the RHCE class +
> exam which starts a week from today, March 15-19 with the exam on the 19th.
> So I enrolled, of course!
> Is anyone else from PLUG attending the full week?  Anyone who can help me
> study?
>
> I asked my Redhat contact how many were enrolled and as of about 30 minutes
> ago, there were 8 out of a maximum 14 in the class.
>
>
> Regards,
> Kaia Taylor
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> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Phariss
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:39 PM
>
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: RHCE test dates?
>
> did the march 15 one fill up?  I signed up on monday.
> .
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:56 PM, blake gonterman wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I was looking into just doing the full 5day bootcamp and exam. I was
>> surprised to see it wasnt till mid-May though :(
>>
>>   On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones <
>> charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just to get the exam
>>> over with!
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
>>>> > I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat
>>>> site
>>>> > ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it
>>>> seems to
>>>> > indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May
>>>> 14th...the
>>>> > spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing dates
>>>> for
>>>> > just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>>>> >
>>>> > Note that I checked both locations:
>>>> > "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central
>>>> Avenue, and
>>>> > "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: RHCE test dates?

[Taylor, Kaia]

To my surprise, I just got management approval to attend the RHCE class
+ exam which starts a week from today, March 15-19 with the exam on the
19th.  So I enrolled, of course!  
Is anyone else from PLUG attending the full week?  Anyone who can help
me study?
 
I asked my Redhat contact how many were enrolled and as of about 30
minutes ago, there were 8 out of a maximum 14 in the class.
 
 
Regards,
Kaia Taylor
DevSA  group  --  tis-dco-devsa - jumpword devsa
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To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: RHCE test dates?


did the march 15 one fill up?  I signed up on monday.
.


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:56 PM, blake gonterman 
wrote:


Yeah, I was looking into just doing the full 5day bootcamp and
exam. I was surprised to see it wasnt till mid-May though :(


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones
 wrote:


Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just
to get the exam over with! 

-Charles


On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold
 wrote:


No, actually they occur here at most once a
year, or did last I checked.




On 2/9/10, Charles Jones
 wrote:
> I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I
just checked the RedHat site
> (
https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems to
> indicate that the next available RHCE exam
date is not until May 14th...the
> spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did
notice that the testing dates for
> just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>
> Note that I checked both locations:
> "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical
Training 3110 N. Central Avenue, and
> "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N.
1st Ave.
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Re: RHCE test dates?

[Steve Phariss]

did the march 15 one fill up?  I signed up on monday.
.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:56 PM, blake gonterman wrote:

> Yeah, I was looking into just doing the full 5day bootcamp and exam. I was
> surprised to see it wasnt till mid-May though :(
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones <
> charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org> wrote:
>
>> Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just to get the exam
>> over with!
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>
>>> No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
>>> > I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat
>>> site
>>> > ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems
>>> to
>>> > indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May
>>> 14th...the
>>> > spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing dates
>>> for
>>> > just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>>> >
>>> > Note that I checked both locations:
>>> > "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central Avenue,
>>> and
>>> > "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
>>> >
>>>
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Re: RHCE test dates?

[blake gonterman]

Yeah, I was looking into just doing the full 5day bootcamp and exam. I was
surprised to see it wasnt till mid-May though :(

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones <
charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org> wrote:

> Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just to get the exam
> over with!
>
> -Charles
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>> No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
>> > I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat
>> site
>> > ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems
>> to
>> > indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May
>> 14th...the
>> > spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing dates
>> for
>> > just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>> >
>> > Note that I checked both locations:
>> > "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central Avenue,
>> and
>> > "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
>> >
>>
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RE: RHCE test dates?

[Taylor, Kaia]

So... who might actually be writing RHCE on May 14 in Phoenix?  

I'm thinking about it.  I would be willing to set up a few VMs in a little 
practice area with anyone who is studying (servers like "this server doesn't 
boot right", "new server", "bad guy", "good guy", "rpm supply")


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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold
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Subject: Re: RHCE test dates?

I would actually study a few more months and take it here when you are rested 
and in your element.

It will make a difference, unless you are superman!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones 
 wrote:
> Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just to get the 
> exam over with!
> -Charles
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold 
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
>> > I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the 
>> > RedHat site ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix 
>> > )  and it seems to indicate that the next available RHCE exam date 
>> > is not until May 14th...the spacing on that seems pretty far?  I 
>> > did notice that the testing dates for just the RHCT seem to be 
>> > monthly.
>> >
>> > Note that I checked both locations:
>> > "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central 
>> > Avenue, and "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
>> >
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Re: RHCE test dates?

[Lisa Kachold]

I would actually study a few more months and take it here when you are
rested and in your element.

It will make a difference, unless you are superman!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Charles Jones
 wrote:
> Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just to get the exam over
> with!
> -Charles
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold 
> wrote:
>>
>> No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
>> > I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat
>> > site
>> > ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems
>> > to
>> > indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May
>> > 14th...the
>> > spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing dates
>> > for
>> > just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>> >
>> > Note that I checked both locations:
>> > "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central Avenue,
>> > and
>> > "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
>> >
>>
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Re: RHCE test dates?

[Charles Jones]

Wow...looks like I may have to travel out of state just to get the exam over
with!

-Charles

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked.
>
>
>
> On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
> > I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat
> site
> > ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems
> to
> > indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May
> 14th...the
> > spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing dates
> for
> > just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
> >
> > Note that I checked both locations:
> > "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central Avenue,
> and
> > "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
> >
>
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Re: RHCE test dates?

[Lisa Kachold]

No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked.



On 2/9/10, Charles Jones  wrote:
> I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat site
> ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems to
> indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May 14th...the
> spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing dates for
> just the RHCT seem to be monthly.
>
> Note that I checked both locations:
> "Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central Avenue, and
> "JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
>


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RHCE test dates?

[Charles Jones]

I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat site
( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix )  and it seems to
indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May 14th...the
spacing on that seems pretty far?  I did notice that the testing dates for
just the RHCT seem to be monthly.

Note that I checked both locations:
"Arizona Facility" Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central Avenue, and
"JBoss Facility" ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave.
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Test - disregard

[joe]

This is a test. Please disregard.


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This is a test message - disregard

[joe]

This is a test message - disregard


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Re: configure a test SSL

[Eric Shubert]

keith smith wrote:
> Here it is.  Thanks!
> 
> Also log shows this about 10 times
> 
> [Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) 
> `newcart.dev' does NOT match server name!?

What CommonName (CN) did you use when you generated the certificate request?

What does the
# host --fqdn
command show you on your server?

The CN name you use on the certificate request should match the result 
of "host --fqdn" on your server. Change whichever so that they match.

> 
> 
>DocumentRoot "/work/dev/newcart.dev"
>ServerName newcart.dev:443
>ErrorLog logs/ssl_error_log
>TransferLog logs/ssl_access_log
>##LogLevel warn
> 
>LogLevel debug
> 
>##SSLEngine on
>##SSLProtocol all -SSLv2
>##SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT:!SSLv2:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW
>##SSLCertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/localhost.crt
>##SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/pki/tls/private/localhost.key
>#SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/server-chain.crt
>#SSLCACertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
> 
>##
>##SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
>##
>##
>##SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
>##
> 
>##SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" \
>##  nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown \
>##  downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0
> 
>##CustomLog logs/ssl_request_log \
>##   "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean  wrote:
> 
>> From: Alex Dean 
>> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:07 PM
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:
>>
>>> openssl s_client -showcerts
>>>
>>> returns
>>>
>>> connect: Connection refused
>>> connect:errno=29
>>>
>> no idea on that one.
>>
>>> and when I try to access the site with https I get
>>>
>>>
>>> Secure Connection Failed
>>>
>>> An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.
>>>
>>> SSL received a record with an unknown content type.
>>>
>>> (Error code: ssl_error_rx_unknown_record_type)
>>>
>>> The page you are trying to view can not be shown
>> because the authenticity of the received data could not be
>> verified.
>>> * Please contact the web site owners to
>> inform them of this problem.
>>> ---
>>> Any ideas much appreciated.
>> It's normal to see the 'authenticity could not be verified'
>> error with a self-signed cert.  If you want to get rid
>> of that error, you have to get your certificate signed by a
>> recognized signing athority like Verisign or GoDaddy.
>>
>> The 'unknown content type' error may be another
>> issue.  Post your VirtualHost config for your SSL vhost
>> so we can troubleshoot.  Or, you can change LogLevel to
>> 'debug' in your Apache config and watch the error log while
>> you access the server with a browser.
>>
>> alex
>>
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Re: configure a test SSL

[keith smith]

Made those three changes and now FireFox says

Secure Connection Failed

newcart.dev uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because it is self signed.

(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)

---

I added an exception to FireFox and now it works!

Thanks to everyone who pushed me in the right direction!!


Keith Smith


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean  wrote:

> From: Alex Dean 
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 7:06 PM
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:50 PM, keith
> smith wrote:
> 
> > Here it is.  Thanks!
> > 
> > Also log shows this about 10 times
> > 
> > [Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server
> certificate CommonName (CN) `newcart.dev' does NOT match
> server name!?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   DocumentRoot "/work/dev/newcart.dev"
> >   ServerName newcart.dev:443
> >   ErrorLog logs/ssl_error_log
> >   TransferLog logs/ssl_access_log
> >   ##LogLevel warn
> > 
> >   LogLevel debug
> > 
> >   ##SSLEngine on
> >   ##SSLProtocol all -SSLv2
> >   ##SSLCipherSuite
> ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT:!SSLv2:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW
> >   ##SSLCertificateFile
> /etc/pki/tls/certs/localhost.crt
> >   ##SSLCertificateKeyFile
> /etc/pki/tls/private/localhost.key
> >   #SSLCertificateChainFile
> /etc/pki/tls/certs/server-chain.crt
> >   #SSLCACertificateFile
> /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
> > 
> >   ## "\.(cgi|shtml|phtml|php3?)$">
> >   ##    SSLOptions
> +StdEnvVars
> >   ##
> >   ## "/var/www/cgi-bin">
> >   ##    SSLOptions
> +StdEnvVars
> >   ##
> > 
> >   ##SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" \
> >   ##      nokeepalive
> ssl-unclean-shutdown \
> >   ##      downgrade-1.0
> force-response-1.0
> > 
> >   ##CustomLog logs/ssl_request_log \
> >   ##       "%t
> %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> ok, with all that stuff commented out, the browser sends
> you an ssl request, and you answer in plaintext.  Chaos
> ensues.  (The server doesn't 'know' that its supposed
> to speak ssl on port 443.  That's a common convention,
> but not a technical requirement.)
> 
> The only must-have directives are SSLEngine on,
> SSLCertificateFile, and SSLCertificateKeyFile (that file
> should only be readable by root, btw).  Everything else
> seems fine at a glance, but you can leave the rest commented
> out while you're debugging.
> 
> alex
> 
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Re: configure a test SSL

[Alex Dean]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:50 PM, keith smith wrote:


Here it is.  Thanks!

Also log shows this about 10 times

[Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName  
(CN) `newcart.dev' does NOT match server name!?





  DocumentRoot "/work/dev/newcart.dev"
  ServerName newcart.dev:443
  ErrorLog logs/ssl_error_log
  TransferLog logs/ssl_access_log
  ##LogLevel warn

  LogLevel debug

  ##SSLEngine on
  ##SSLProtocol all -SSLv2
  ##SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT:!SSLv2:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW
  ##SSLCertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/localhost.crt
  ##SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/pki/tls/private/localhost.key
  #SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/server-chain.crt
  #SSLCACertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt

  ##
  ##SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
  ##
  ##
  ##SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
  ##

  ##SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" \
  ##  nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown \
  ##  downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0

  ##CustomLog logs/ssl_request_log \
  ##   "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b"





ok, with all that stuff commented out, the browser sends you an ssl  
request, and you answer in plaintext.  Chaos ensues.  (The server  
doesn't 'know' that its supposed to speak ssl on port 443.  That's a  
common convention, but not a technical requirement.)


The only must-have directives are SSLEngine on, SSLCertificateFile,  
and SSLCertificateKeyFile (that file should only be readable by root,  
btw).  Everything else seems fine at a glance, but you can leave the  
rest commented out while you're debugging.


alex


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Re: configure a test SSL

[keith smith]

Here it is.  Thanks!

Also log shows this about 10 times

[Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) 
`newcart.dev' does NOT match server name!?




   DocumentRoot "/work/dev/newcart.dev"
   ServerName newcart.dev:443
   ErrorLog logs/ssl_error_log
   TransferLog logs/ssl_access_log
   ##LogLevel warn

   LogLevel debug

   ##SSLEngine on
   ##SSLProtocol all -SSLv2
   ##SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT:!SSLv2:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW
   ##SSLCertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/localhost.crt
   ##SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/pki/tls/private/localhost.key
   #SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/server-chain.crt
   #SSLCACertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt

   ##
   ##SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
   ##
   ##
   ##SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
   ##

   ##SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" \
   ##  nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown \
   ##  downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0

   ##CustomLog logs/ssl_request_log \
   ##   "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b"





Keith Smith


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean  wrote:

> From: Alex Dean 
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:07 PM
> 
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:
> 
> > openssl s_client -showcerts
> > 
> > returns
> > 
> > connect: Connection refused
> > connect:errno=29
> > 
> 
> no idea on that one.
> 
> > 
> > and when I try to access the site with https I get
> > 
> > 
> > Secure Connection Failed
> > 
> > An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.
> > 
> > SSL received a record with an unknown content type.
> > 
> > (Error code: ssl_error_rx_unknown_record_type)
> > 
> > The page you are trying to view can not be shown
> because the authenticity of the received data could not be
> verified.
> > 
> >    * Please contact the web site owners to
> inform them of this problem.
> > 
> > ---
> > Any ideas much appreciated.
> 
> It's normal to see the 'authenticity could not be verified'
> error with a self-signed cert.  If you want to get rid
> of that error, you have to get your certificate signed by a
> recognized signing athority like Verisign or GoDaddy.
> 
> The 'unknown content type' error may be another
> issue.  Post your VirtualHost config for your SSL vhost
> so we can troubleshoot.  Or, you can change LogLevel to
> 'debug' in your Apache config and watch the error log while
> you access the server with a browser.
> 
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Re: configure a test SSL

[Eric Shubert]

Alex Dean wrote:
> 
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:
> 
>> openssl s_client -showcerts
>>
>> returns
>>
>> connect: Connection refused
>> connect:errno=29
>>
> 
> no idea on that one.
> 
>>
>> and when I try to access the site with https I get
>>
>>
>> Secure Connection Failed
>>
>> An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.
>>
>> SSL received a record with an unknown content type.
>>
>> (Error code: ssl_error_rx_unknown_record_type)
>>
>> The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the 
>> authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
>>
>>* Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem.
>>
>> ---
>> Any ideas much appreciated.
> 
> It's normal to see the 'authenticity could not be verified' error with a 
> self-signed cert.  If you want to get rid of that error, you have to get 
> your certificate signed by a recognized signing athority like Verisign 
> or GoDaddy.

You could use a commercial service, or you can get a certificate request 
signed for free by someone (like me!) at CAcert.org, then add 
CAcert.org's root certificate to your ca-bundle.crt certificate chain. 
This is slightly better than a self signed cert.

> The 'unknown content type' error may be another issue.  Post your 
> VirtualHost config for your SSL vhost so we can troubleshoot.  Or, you 
> can change LogLevel to 'debug' in your Apache config and watch the error 
> log while you access the server with a browser.
> 
> alex
> 


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Re: configure a test SSL

[Alex Dean]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:


openssl s_client -showcerts

returns

connect: Connection refused
connect:errno=29



no idea on that one.



and when I try to access the site with https I get


Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.

SSL received a record with an unknown content type.

(Error code: ssl_error_rx_unknown_record_type)

The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the  
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.


   * Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this  
problem.


---
Any ideas much appreciated.


It's normal to see the 'authenticity could not be verified' error with  
a self-signed cert.  If you want to get rid of that error, you have to  
get your certificate signed by a recognized signing athority like  
Verisign or GoDaddy.


The 'unknown content type' error may be another issue.  Post your  
VirtualHost config for your SSL vhost so we can troubleshoot.  Or, you  
can change LogLevel to 'debug' in your Apache config and watch the  
error log while you access the server with a browser.


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Re: configure a test SSL

[keith smith]

openssl s_client -showcerts

returns

connect: Connection refused
connect:errno=29


and when I try to access the site with https I get 


Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.

SSL received a record with an unknown content type.

(Error code: ssl_error_rx_unknown_record_type)

The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the authenticity of 
the received data could not be verified.

* Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem.

---
Any ideas much appreciated.



Keith Smith


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean  wrote:

> From: Alex Dean 
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:23 PM
> 
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:30 PM, keith smith wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Where do I want to put these files?
> > 
> > In /etc/httpd/conf.d ?
> > 
> > and then I will need to setup the virtual host to use
> port 443 in the ssl.conf ? Correct?
> 
> You can put them wherever you want.  Reference them
> with SSLCertificateKeyFile and SSLCertificateFile
> directives.
> 
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslcertificatekeyfile
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslcertificatefile
> 
> I think the RedHat/Fedora convention is /etc/ssl or
> /etc/httpd/cert or something like that.
> 
> Yes, you do need to set up a new VirtualHost listening on
> port 443.  Note that you can only have 1 SSL virtual
> host per IP address.
> 
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Re: configure a test SSL

[Eric Shubert]

You can do it the hard way with openssl commands.
Or you can simply:
# cd /etc/pki/tls/certs
# make mycert.pem
See the Makefile there for details.

Then point your apache configuration to use the cert you created.

keith smith wrote:
> Yes a self-signed certificate.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean  wrote:
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>> From: Alex Dean 
>> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:39 PM
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:37 PM, keith smith wrote:
>>
>>> Hi I am running
>>>
>>> Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
>>> Apache/2.2.0
>>>
>>> Local.
>>>
>>> I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is
>> on a private  
>>> IP and used for testing.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
>> You mean like a self-signed certificate?  
>> http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/openssl-how-to-create-self-signed-certificate/
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Re: configure a test SSL

[Alex Dean]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:30 PM, keith smith wrote:



Where do I want to put these files?

In /etc/httpd/conf.d ?

and then I will need to setup the virtual host to use port 443 in  
the ssl.conf ? Correct?


You can put them wherever you want.  Reference them with  
SSLCertificateKeyFile and SSLCertificateFile directives.


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslcertificatekeyfile
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslcertificatefile

I think the RedHat/Fedora convention is /etc/ssl or /etc/httpd/cert or  
something like that.


Yes, you do need to set up a new VirtualHost listening on port 443.   
Note that you can only have 1 SSL virtual host per IP address.


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RE: configure a test SSL

[Bob Elzer]

Here's another page  http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html

 

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Subject: configure a test SSL


Hi I am running 

Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old) Apache/2.2.0

Local.

I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private IP and
used for testing.

Is there a way to configure a test SSL?

Thanks in advance!


Keith Smith


  
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Re: configure a test SSL

[keith smith]

Where do I want to put these files? 

In /etc/httpd/conf.d ?

and then I will need to setup the virtual host to use port 443 in the ssl.conf 
? Correct?



Keith Smith


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> From: Alex Dean 
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:39 PM
> 
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:37 PM, keith smith wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi I am running
> >
> > Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
> > Apache/2.2.0
> >
> > Local.
> >
> > I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is
> on a private  
> > IP and used for testing.
> >
> > Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
> 
> You mean like a self-signed certificate?  
> http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/openssl-how-to-create-self-signed-certificate/
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Re: configure a test SSL

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--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Nathan England  wrote:

> From: Nathan England 
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Cc: "Keith Smith" 
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:47 PM
> On Monday 31 August 2009 01:37:03 pm
> keith smith wrote:
> > 
> > Hi I am running 
> > 
> > Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
> > Apache/2.2.0
> > 
> > Local.
> > 
> > I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is
> on a private IP and used for testing.
> > 
> > Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> > 
> > Keith Smith
> > 
> > 
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> 
> This may or may not work for you, give it a shot...
> 
> cd /etc/ssl
> openssl genrsa -des3 -out private/server.key 1024
> openssl req -new -key private/server.key -out
> private/server.csr
> mv private/server.key private/server.key.secure
> openssl rsa -in private/server.key.secure -out
> private/server.key.insecure
> # this one is split into two lines...
> openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in private/server.csr \
>   -signkey private/server.key.insecure -out
> certs/server.crt
> 
> This will create a key requiring a password -
> server.key.secure
> An exact key without a password so apache will start
> without requiring you to input your password -
> server.key.insecure
> A certificate signing request - server.crs
> A x509 signed cert using your new keys - server.crt
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> 
> -- 
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> nat...@paysonlinux.org
> http://www.paysonlinux.org/
> 
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I do not have an /etc/ssl

what I do have is 
/etc/httpd 

which contains:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 23 11:56 conf
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 31 13:58 conf.d
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   19 Jun  8  2007 logs -> ../../var/log/httpd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   27 Jun  8  2007 modules -> ../../usr/lib/httpd/modules
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   13 Jun  8  2007 run -> ../../var/run

config contains
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 60052 Aug 23 11:56 httpd.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 48760 Feb 23  2008 httpd.conf~
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12958 Feb 11  2006 magic

config.d contains
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  295 Feb 11  2006 manual.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1796 Apr 22  2005 perl.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  560 May  9  2007 php.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  566 Feb 11  2006 proxy_ajp.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1671 Feb 27  2006 python.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  392 Feb 11  2006 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  332 Feb 12  2006 squid.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9677 Feb 11  2006 ssl.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  352 Feb 12  2006 webalizer.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  299 Feb 11  2006 welcome.conf

Thanks for your help!


  
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Re: configure a test SSL

[Nathan England]

On Monday 31 August 2009 01:37:03 pm keith smith wrote:
> 
> Hi I am running 
> 
> Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
> Apache/2.2.0
> 
> Local.
> 
> I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private IP and 
> used for testing.
> 
> Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
> 
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This may or may not work for you, give it a shot...

cd /etc/ssl
openssl genrsa -des3 -out private/server.key 1024
openssl req -new -key private/server.key -out private/server.csr
mv private/server.key private/server.key.secure
openssl rsa -in private/server.key.secure -out private/server.key.insecure
# this one is split into two lines...
openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in private/server.csr \
  -signkey private/server.key.insecure -out certs/server.crt

This will create a key requiring a password - server.key.secure
An exact key without a password so apache will start without requiring you to 
input your password - server.key.insecure
A certificate signing request - server.crs
A x509 signed cert using your new keys - server.crt

Good luck!


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Re: configure a test SSL

[keith smith]

Yes a self-signed certificate.

Thank you!


Keith Smith


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> From: Alex Dean 
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:39 PM
> 
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:37 PM, keith smith wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi I am running
> >
> > Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
> > Apache/2.2.0
> >
> > Local.
> >
> > I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is
> on a private  
> > IP and used for testing.
> >
> > Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
> 
> You mean like a self-signed certificate?  
> http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/openssl-how-to-create-self-signed-certificate/
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Re: configure a test SSL

[Alex Dean]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:37 PM, keith smith wrote:



Hi I am running

Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
Apache/2.2.0

Local.

I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private  
IP and used for testing.


Is there a way to configure a test SSL?


You mean like a self-signed certificate?  
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/openssl-how-to-create-self-signed-certificate/


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configure a test SSL

[keith smith]

Hi I am running 

Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
Apache/2.2.0

Local.

I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private IP and used 
for testing.

Is there a way to configure a test SSL?

Thanks in advance!


Keith Smith


  
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Re: GPG test? Does this show up?

[Ryan Rix]

Dazed_75 wrote:
> yep mit does
> 

Thanks :)

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Re: GPG test? Does this show up?

[Dazed_75]

yep mit does

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ryan Rix  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Testing one two three?
>
> Ryan
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RE: YAGPGT (Yet another GPG test)

[Bob Elzer]

I checked the list, and your messages are intact, just not when I got them.

Guess I wasn't wearing my Captain Midnight decoder ring. 

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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry for crapping up the list. I've just uploaded a new key, 
> which should hopefully make it to the list. It's on 
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YAGPGT (Yet another GPG test)

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Hi,

Sorry for crapping up the list. I've just uploaded a new key, which should 
hopefully make it to the list. It's on wwwkeys.pgp.net so hopefully will 
propogate soon. Sorry for the confusion.
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Hi,

Testing one two three?

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RE: test

[Bob Elzer]

Had this been an actual message, you would have been instructed where to
tune in.
 

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Re: test

[Ryan Rix]

On Sat 25 July 2009 1:52:44 pm Jim wrote:
> test

Sorry, your message didn't make it to the mailing list.
 
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Re: PLUG Security TEST Team: Elance Alert

[Lisa Kachold]

They probably just traded pr0n on IRC too; never looking at a record.

Laugh!

On 7/18/09, David Munson  wrote:
> Nobody seems to know yet how many records were compromised, judging from
> what I can find online.
>
> At least it's not like the UC San Diego Cancer Center breach... 30,000
> people notified about a hack that gave access to names & addresses, date of
> birth, and medical records.
> http://datalossdb.org/incidents/2187-30-000-notified-about-names-birth-dates-and-diagnosis-and-treatment-dates-on-hacked-server
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Lisa Kachold
> wrote:
>
>> NOTE: To HackFesters, Elance is not a FLAG:
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Elance Trust and Safety 
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:39:59 -0500
>> Subject: Elance Alert
>> To: 
>>
>> To ensure you receive future emails, please add
>> re...@announce.elance.com to your Safe Sender list.
>> View as a Web Page:
>>
>> http://view.announce.elance.com/?j=fe8a1d747c64077476&m=feef10797c6d05&ls=fe0410737761017974147274&l=fe9a16717664077b73&s=fe2d10707066057b731678&jb=ffcf14&ju=
>>
>> Dear obnosis,
>>
>> We recently learned that certain Elance user information was accessed
>> without authorization, including potentially yours. The data accessed
>> was contact information -- specifically name, email address, telephone
>> number, city location and Elance login information (passwords were
>> protected with encryption). This incident did NOT involve any credit
>> card, bank account, social security or tax ID numbers.
>>
>> We have remedied the cause of the breach and are working with
>> appropriate authorities. We have also implemented additional security
>> measures and have strengthened password requirements to protect all of
>> our users.
>>
>> We sincerely regret any inconvenience or disruption this may cause.
>>
>> If you have any unanswered questions and for ongoing information about
>> this matter, please visit this page in our Trust & Safety center:
>> http://www.elance.com/p/trust/account_security.html
>>
>> For information on re-setting your password, visit:
>> http://help.elance.com/forums/30969/entries/47262
>>
>> Thank you for your understanding,
>>
>> Michael Culver
>> Vice President
>> Elance
>>
>> This email was sent to:  lisakach...@obnosis.com
>> ( obnosis )
>> Your username is included to show this message
>> originated from Elance.
>>
>>  We respect your right to privacy - visit the
>> following URL to view our policy.
>>( http://www.elance.com/p/help/tos/index.html#privacy )
>>
>>This email was sent by:
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Re: PLUG Security TEST Team: Elance Alert

[David Munson]

Nobody seems to know yet how many records were compromised, judging from
what I can find online.

At least it's not like the UC San Diego Cancer Center breach... 30,000
people notified about a hack that gave access to names & addresses, date of
birth, and medical records.
http://datalossdb.org/incidents/2187-30-000-notified-about-names-birth-dates-and-diagnosis-and-treatment-dates-on-hacked-server

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> NOTE: To HackFesters, Elance is not a FLAG:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Elance Trust and Safety 
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:39:59 -0500
> Subject: Elance Alert
> To: 
>
> To ensure you receive future emails, please add
> re...@announce.elance.com to your Safe Sender list.
> View as a Web Page:
>
> http://view.announce.elance.com/?j=fe8a1d747c64077476&m=feef10797c6d05&ls=fe0410737761017974147274&l=fe9a16717664077b73&s=fe2d10707066057b731678&jb=ffcf14&ju=
>
> Dear obnosis,
>
> We recently learned that certain Elance user information was accessed
> without authorization, including potentially yours. The data accessed
> was contact information -- specifically name, email address, telephone
> number, city location and Elance login information (passwords were
> protected with encryption). This incident did NOT involve any credit
> card, bank account, social security or tax ID numbers.
>
> We have remedied the cause of the breach and are working with
> appropriate authorities. We have also implemented additional security
> measures and have strengthened password requirements to protect all of
> our users.
>
> We sincerely regret any inconvenience or disruption this may cause.
>
> If you have any unanswered questions and for ongoing information about
> this matter, please visit this page in our Trust & Safety center:
> http://www.elance.com/p/trust/account_security.html
>
> For information on re-setting your password, visit:
> http://help.elance.com/forums/30969/entries/47262
>
> Thank you for your understanding,
>
> Michael Culver
> Vice President
> Elance
>
> This email was sent to:  lisakach...@obnosis.com
> ( obnosis )
> Your username is included to show this message
> originated from Elance.
>
>  We respect your right to privacy - visit the
> following URL to view our policy.
>( http://www.elance.com/p/help/tos/index.html#privacy )
>
>This email was sent by:
>Elance, Inc.
>441 Logue Avenue, Suite 150
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PLUG Security TEST Team: Elance Alert

[Lisa Kachold]

NOTE: To HackFesters, Elance is not a FLAG:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Elance Trust and Safety 
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:39:59 -0500
Subject: Elance Alert
To: 

To ensure you receive future emails, please add
re...@announce.elance.com to your Safe Sender list.
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Dear obnosis,

We recently learned that certain Elance user information was accessed
without authorization, including potentially yours. The data accessed
was contact information -- specifically name, email address, telephone
number, city location and Elance login information (passwords were
protected with encryption). This incident did NOT involve any credit
card, bank account, social security or tax ID numbers.

We have remedied the cause of the breach and are working with
appropriate authorities. We have also implemented additional security
measures and have strengthened password requirements to protect all of
our users.

We sincerely regret any inconvenience or disruption this may cause.

If you have any unanswered questions and for ongoing information about
this matter, please visit this page in our Trust & Safety center:
http://www.elance.com/p/trust/account_security.html

For information on re-setting your password, visit:
http://help.elance.com/forums/30969/entries/47262

Thank you for your understanding,

Michael Culver
Vice President
Elance

 This email was sent to:  lisakach...@obnosis.com
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originated from Elance.

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Re: Phoenix Linux Security Test Team HackFest "FreeIPA" Presentation TODAY 7/11/09 satur...@noon - The Foundation for Blind Children

[Lisa Kachold]

Also, if we have time, I will show everyone how to pick a lock with a
metal tool made from a Energy Drink Can.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Join the Penguins of the Desert as we welcome Steven Kaplan, MSC,
> BSEE, CISSP for a quick tour through FreeIPA.
>
> Phoenix Linux User Group PLUG also builds systems for The Foundation
> for the Blind Children during fests.
> This month we will be setting up Fedora 11 and Knoppix 6.0 systems for
> the students at the school.
>
> Bring your media, USB keys, as we will have a burning/build station so
> you can make a pendrive toolkit or LiveCD/DVD:
>
> BackTrack4
> Knoppix 6.0
> Ubuntu 9.4
> DVL
> Samari
>
> http://plug.phoenix.az.us/node/658
>
> 1224 E. Northern, Phoenix, AZ - enter through the North doors from
> Noon until around 3PM.
>
> NOTE:  HackFests schedule is changing in August to the 2nd Saturday of
> every month from 10:00 - 1:00PM.
>
> Follow the signs.
>
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/plug-hackfest.jpeg
>
> August HackFest will be a Puppet Theatre - Bring your recipes!
> We will welcome a special guest Dennis Kibbe Adjunct Teacher Mesa
> Community College as a FLAG!
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June 24 at 11:57 am test from gmail to plug - disregard

[Josef Lowder]

June 24 at 11:57 am test from gmail to plug - disregard

I have sent several messages from two other web mail
at runbox and blue host that seem to have vanished.
So this is a test from gmail web mail.
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Test message June 24 at 11:40 am disregard.

[Josef Lowder]

This is a test message June 24 at 11:40 am 
Please disregard.
I sent two messages to plug a little while ago 
that seem to have vanished.

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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Ryan Rix]

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Tuna  wrote:
> That's where all my email are belong to there.

wtf?

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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Tuna]

No one else? REALLY? Fine, I'll say it.

This thread is OVER. Take it somewhere else purty-please.


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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Tuna]

Joe wrote:
> Once you know how to set up the keys via openGPG, everything else is
> cake. Enigma will "just work", as will the sweet firefox plugin FireGPG
> (which adds GPG to Gmail through the web interface).
>
> In fact, you really don't even have to know how to manage openGPG via
> the terminal anymore, there are a bunch of GUI apps for doing it. GnuPG
> is probably a good place to start though:
>
> http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/index.en.html
>
> -Joe
>
>   
But I like the command line! That's where all my email are belong to there.

> Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to learn about encription and signatures.  Is there a good how 
>> to 
>> for Enigma and openPGP.
>>
>> MatthewMPP
>>
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are looking for feedback... this may have worked, but you need to
>>> upload your public key (0xBB82437A) to one of the public servers or
>>> somehow make it available before people can validate it.
>>>
>>> -Joe
>>>
>>> Tuna wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P
 
 
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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Joshua Zeidner]

 also if you use Enigmail, I suggest using signature attachments as
the embedded signatures make reading difficult for many clients such
as Gmail.  Enigmail is very dependable.

  -jmz

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Joe  wrote:
> Once you know how to set up the keys via openGPG, everything else is
> cake. Enigma will "just work", as will the sweet firefox plugin FireGPG
> (which adds GPG to Gmail through the web interface).
>
> In fact, you really don't even have to know how to manage openGPG via
> the terminal anymore, there are a bunch of GUI apps for doing it. GnuPG
> is probably a good place to start though:
>
> http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/index.en.html
>
> -Joe
>
> Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to learn about encription and signatures.  Is there a good how 
>> to
>> for Enigma and openPGP.
>>
>> MatthewMPP
>>
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> If you are looking for feedback... this may have worked, but you need to
>>> upload your public key (0xBB82437A) to one of the public servers or
>>> somehow make it available before people can validate it.
>>>
>>> -Joe
>>>
>>> Tuna wrote:
>>>
 We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P

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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Joe]

Once you know how to set up the keys via openGPG, everything else is
cake. Enigma will "just work", as will the sweet firefox plugin FireGPG
(which adds GPG to Gmail through the web interface).

In fact, you really don't even have to know how to manage openGPG via
the terminal anymore, there are a bunch of GUI apps for doing it. GnuPG
is probably a good place to start though:

http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/index.en.html

-Joe

Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to learn about encription and signatures.  Is there a good how 
> to 
> for Enigma and openPGP.
> 
> MatthewMPP
> 
> 
> Joe wrote:
>> If you are looking for feedback... this may have worked, but you need to
>> upload your public key (0xBB82437A) to one of the public servers or
>> somehow make it available before people can validate it.
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> Tuna wrote:
>>   
>>> We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P
>>> 
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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Joseph Sinclair]

We can get your public key now (MIT server), but the signature doesn't match on 
this message.
The signature on the first message in this thread now checks out, however.

I'm guessing that the PGP/MIME system didn't sign quite correctly to pass 
through the PLUG server without invalidating the signature (when the mailman 
tail was added).

Take a look at the source for this message to see how my software signs to 
ensure the signature survives the trip through the mailing list server.

Tuna wrote:
> Excerpts from phrkonaleash's message of Thu May 14 10:20:36 -0700 2009:
>> fail.
>>
> K, how about this?
> 
>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Tuna  wrote:
>>
> We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P
>>>
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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Tuna]

Excerpts from phrkonaleash's message of Thu May 14 10:20:36 -0700 2009:
> fail.
>
K, how about this?

> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Tuna  wrote:
> 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
> >
> > iEYEARECAAYFAkoLrYwACgkQcfUSTruCQ3oNdACeLxMoorN0LO+bc6BTRd76lnvq
> > 0McAn1vcJNu7DoLzLmiOYHUUd/sGvEw5
> > =Ns/Y
> > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> >
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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Matthew A Coulliette]

Hi,

I would like to learn about encription and signatures.  Is there a good
how to for Enigma and openPGP.

MatthewMPP


Joe wrote:

  If you are looking for feedback... this may have worked, but you need to
upload your public key (0xBB82437A) to one of the public servers or
somehow make it available before people can validate it.

-Joe

Tuna wrote:
  
  
We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P

  
  
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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Joe]

If you are looking for feedback... this may have worked, but you need to
upload your public key (0xBB82437A) to one of the public servers or
somehow make it available before people can validate it.

-Joe

Tuna wrote:
> We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P

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Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

[Ryan Rix]

fail.

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Tuna  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAkoLrYwACgkQcfUSTruCQ3oNdACeLxMoorN0LO+bc6BTRd76lnvq
> 0McAn1vcJNu7DoLzLmiOYHUUd/sGvEw5
> =Ns/Y
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
>
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Yet Another PGP Test...

[Tuna]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

We should create a separate list for this. Like, plug-pgp. :P
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkoLrYwACgkQcfUSTruCQ3oNdACeLxMoorN0LO+bc6BTRd76lnvq
0McAn1vcJNu7DoLzLmiOYHUUd/sGvEw5
=Ns/Y
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

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Re: HackFest Series: Roo HoneyNet LiveCD [& Conflicter Infection Test from HoneyNet.org]

[Dazed_75]

Thanks Lisa, I totally missed connecting the honeynet reference and the url
you had.  I just knew I had seen the other reference.  DOH!  Sorry
-- 
Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
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