Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Music & Artist Information plugin

2021-12-10 Thread Michael Herger

Greetings - I was wondering if there is any way to display a random
album cover for an artist image if no match can be found on-line. Or
better yet, the option to switch between a random album cover by a
particular artist, rather than the image that was found on line?


I don't understand the latter, as I use the pictures to recognize what 
I'm looking for. When that picture changes all the time, then this 
becomes useless?


As for the static picture: if you define a folder for the artist picture 
you can put in there whatever you want.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: LMS Connect - streaming Tidal/Qobuz to LMS via native Android apps

2021-12-10 Thread SamY


chicks wrote: 
> There is, I use it all the time.
> 
> Click "..." on a track playing from Qobuz.
> Click "more..."
> Scroll down and click "On Qobuz"
> Click "Manage Favorites"
> Save to Qobuz favorites as desired.
> 

Thanks for the tip! I hadn't been following the thread and so missed it
until just now. My Qobuz joy is now complete. :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: LMS Connect - streaming Tidal/Qobuz to LMS via native Android apps

2021-12-10 Thread RCST

Dmitry© wrote: 
> Works fine, thank you!

gvh wrote: 
> Thank you for this great app. It works perfectly.
> I did notice that the player has to be on for it to work.
> I don't know if its possible for this to tell the player to switch on,
> but that might be an LMS setting.

Thanks for the feedback!

I guess there must a command to turn the player on, so will see if I can
have an update to do this soon.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Denon AVP Control Plugin

2021-12-10 Thread SamY


MarSOnEarth wrote: 
> Yes, that will do, Sam. Thanks. And, no problems at all. I know what I'm
> potentially up to. Let me know if you'd need more than just the debug
> log from the plugin.

Okay. I see where the problem is happening and it seems to be specific
to Windows, which is why it didn't occur during my testing. The plugin
is basically going into a loop at a certain point. The place where it
occurs is in a non-critical housekeeping routine that was introduced in
this release and that can be eliminated completely if needed. If you're
willing, however, I'd like you to test with a syntax change that MIGHT
take care of the problem. If it still occurs, then I will disable the
subroutine for the time being until I can do further testing on a
Windows platform. In either case, a new release will need to be created.
If you could run a test with the attached replacement module, I would be
grateful. You can just copy it over the existing module in the plugin
directory since you will not need the old one again. If the problem
still happens, let me know and I will send another copy with the problem
subroutine disabled. Thanks for your help.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Music & Artist Information plugin

2021-12-10 Thread mondo


Greetings - I was wondering if there is any way to display a random
album cover for an artist image if no match can be found on-line. Or
better yet, the option to switch between a random album cover by a
particular artist, rather than the image that was found on line?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Denon AVP Control Plugin

2021-12-10 Thread MarSOnEarth


SamY wrote: 
> Sorry for your problems. As usual, I will need a debug log of the
> problem to see what is happening. If I don't see anything obvious, I'll
> get you a zip file of v4.3 to use in the meantime.

Yes, that will do, Sam. Thanks. And, no problems at all. I know what I'm
potentially up to. Let me know if you'd need more than just the debug
log from the plugin.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Denon AVP Control Plugin

2021-12-10 Thread SamY


MarSOnEarth wrote: 
> Sam, please re-enable the previous version.
> 
> Thanks

Sorry for your problems. As usual, I will need a debug log of the
problem to see what is happening. If I don't see anything obvious, I'll
get you a zip file of v4.3 to use in the meantime.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Denon AVP Control Plugin

2021-12-10 Thread MarSOnEarth


MarSOnEarth wrote: 
> ...
> Here, with this version, LMS playback through Denon is no longer
> possible in my system.  BTW, my configuration has changed. Now LMS is
> going into the main zone, preset 2, but that part (power-on and setup)
> works well, FWIW

Sam, please re-enable the previous version.

Thanks



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Denon AVP Control Plugin

2021-12-10 Thread MarSOnEarth


SamY wrote: 
> V4.3.2 is now available. Please report any problems or questions here.
> Thanks.

Sorry for the long delay.

Sam, there's no good news about this version on my system. Most of the
time the power-on sequence executes but no play is initiated. Most of
the times, when the "play" is pressed, the server becomes unavailable
(red icon), and only sometimes it recovers on its own. The connection to
the server gets restored when AVR is powered off manually, only to be
powered on by the plugin a few seconds later, and the whole loop repeats
itself. After some time, the LMS server gets trashed so badly that it
locks up and cannot be even restarted. Here, with this version, LMS
playback through Denon is no longer possible in my system.  BTW, my
configuration has changed. Now LMS is going into the main zone, preset
2, but that part (power-on and setup) works well, FWIW


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] ANNOUNCE: AirPlay Bridge = integrate AirPlay devices with LMS (squeeze2raop)

2021-12-10 Thread SteveShort

sf_logitech wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running LMS 8.2.1 on a RPi 3 and using AirPlay Bridge  v0.4.61.1. I
> have one device that uses AirPlay, an Audio Pro C10.
> 
> AirPlay bridge worked great for a long time, and was able to sync well
> with my Squeezebox Boom, but in the last couple weeks I noticed that it
> has stopped working correctly. When I play a track, it plays the first
> half second or so, and then stops. The track counter continues in the
> app, so it seems to be trying to play, but no more sound comes out of
> the C10. If I start a new track, it does the same thing. Plays for half
> a second, then stops. This is the same for streaming radio stations, as
> well as tracks playing off my NAS.
> 
> …
> 

I have exactly the same symptoms. I bought an Audio Pro C10 six weeks
ago and it worked with Airplay Bridge with all the default settings but
then sometime in the past few weeks it’s started doing what’s described
above. I wonder if Audio Pro have rolled out a firmware change?

After an evening of trying different settings in Airplay Bridge I’ve
found the solution. Changing the default Audio Buffer value from 1000ms
to 2000ms fixes the problem. Note that the settings UI allows you to set
override values for individual Airplay devices so you can do this just
for the C10 if you don’t want the change to apply to all Airplay
devices.

2000ms and higher values worked for me but this may be dependent on your
local network so if 2000ms doesn’t fix it try a higher value.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: LMS Connect - streaming Tidal/Qobuz to LMS via native Android apps

2021-12-10 Thread gvh


Thank you for this great app. It works perfectly.
I did notice that the player has to be on for it to work.
I don't know if its possible for this to tell the player to switch on,
but that might be an LMS setting.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: LMS Connect - streaming Tidal/Qobuz to LMS via native Android apps

2021-12-10 Thread Dmitry�

Works fine, thank you!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] ANNOUNCE: AirPlay Bridge = integrate AirPlay devices with LMS (squeeze2raop)

2021-12-10 Thread Paul Webster


Paul Webster wrote: 
> I'm seeing lots of output to the console

The solution is to turn on logging in AirPlay bridge ... and then it
sends the output to a file.
So - rather than having it going to a real file (and in pCP I guess this
would mean potentially running out of memory if file size limit is not
set) then I disabled logging in the plugin and instead added
-f /dev/null
in the additional parameters for startup of the bridge.
Seems to work well.
Of course, this means that I do not get logging to see but easy to
change if needed to diagnose something that is repeatable.



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planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc
australia and cbc/radio-canada
and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [Announce] Squeezelite-X

2021-12-10 Thread rgdawson


ralphy wrote: 
> Squeezelite stopping is likely related to the 'discussion in this
> thread'
> (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114661-Music-streaming-stops-intermittently).
> 
> I don't have a fix.

I should add, it just occurred to me, that I am seeing this with my
Logitech Duet, so it is not just Squeezelite.

R Greg Dawson



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2021-12-10 Thread cpd73


carsten_h wrote: 
> Today I saw a two disc Album which has a tag named "SETSUBTITLE". I
> don't know is this would be provided by LMS.

Its not part of the API, so cannot be used.



*Material debug:* 1. Launch via http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json
(Use http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json,cometd to also see update
messages, e.g. play queue) 2. Open browser's developer tools 3. Open
console tab in developer tools 4. REQ/RESP messages sent to/from LMS
will be logged here.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2021-12-10 Thread carsten_h


cpd73 wrote: 
> I would use DISCSUBTITLE, but it is not provided by the LMS JSONRPC API
> that Material uses

Today I saw a two disc Album which has a tag named "SETSUBTITLE". I
don't know is this would be provided by LMS.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [Announce] Squeezelite-X

2021-12-10 Thread ralphy


rgdawson wrote: 
> I wish I knew.  I am seeing squeezelite "stop" playing and last night I
> noticed this after pausing for say, 20 minutes, then resuming.  It plays
> for a while (maybe what is left in buffer?), then stops for a while, but
> if I do nothing and wait awhile it starts again.  Of course, I can't
> make it happen at will.  This was while listening to Pandora.  As for
> log data, I presume you are capturing the squeezelite player log info
> that you can turn on in SLX advanced settings.  I've tried that to
> finding nothing interesting, so far.
> 
> Edit: On second thought, if it was a squeezelite crash, it would take
> SLX around 5-10 seconds to detect that, and then SLX would automatically
> restart squeezelite.  There would be a "Squeezelite aborted" message in
> that case.
> 
> Edit:  On third thought, I checked and SLX does not automatically
> restart.  It used to, but now it shows an error message.  So, if you are
> not seeing that, then I don't think it is an actual squeezelite crash.
> 
> R Greg Dawson

Squeezelite stopping is likely related to the 'discussion in this
thread'
(https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114661-Music-streaming-stops-intermittently).

I don't have a fix.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite and "player already active" messages

2021-12-10 Thread troffasky


Of course now I've restarted squeezlite a few times to get that debug
output, it's behaving itself again [apart from the progress bar in LMS
UI].

Previously I was trying to listen to an album and getting about 1m20s of
each track, then it jumps to the next one by itself [this finally pushed
me over the edge into posting about it]:

Code:


  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7724] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerReadyToStream (2218) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7726] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state IDLE
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7728] Slim::Player::StreamingController::nextsong (889) 
The next song is number 1, was 0
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7740] Slim::Player::Song::new (109) index 1 -> 
file:///home/stuff/mp3s/jazz/Esbjorn%20Svensson%20Trio/%20Esjborn%20Svensson%20Trio%20-%20Plays%20Monk/02%20-%20Criss%20Cross.flac
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7742] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state TRACKWAIT
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7745] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_nextTrackReady 
(744) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc: nextTrack will be index 1
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7746] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1210) 
Song queue is now 1,0
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7747] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1213) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: preparing to stream song index 1
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7864] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1282) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: stream
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7874] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1319) 
Song queue is now 1,0
  [21-12-10 10:04:44.7876] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state STREAMING
  [21-12-10 10:04:54.3051] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerTrackStarted (2200) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:04:54.3053] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2377) new playing state PLAYING
  [21-12-10 10:04:54.3055] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (362) 
Song 0 is not longer in the queue
  [21-12-10 10:04:54.3056] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (368) 
Song 1 has now started playing
  [21-12-10 10:04:54.3060] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (397) 
Song queue is now 1
  [21-12-10 10:06:02.4673] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerEndOfStream 
(2286) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:06:02.4676] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state STREAMOUT
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4031] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerReadyToStream (2218) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4032] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state IDLE
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4034] Slim::Player::StreamingController::nextsong (889) 
The next song is number 2, was 1
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4045] Slim::Player::Song::new (109) index 2 -> 
file:///home/stuff/mp3s/jazz/Esbjorn%20Svensson%20Trio/%20Esjborn%20Svensson%20Trio%20-%20Plays%20Monk/03%20-%20%27Round%20Midnight.flac
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4047] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state TRACKWAIT
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4050] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_nextTrackReady 
(744) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc: nextTrack will be index 2
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4051] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1210) 
Song queue is now 2,1
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4052] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1213) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: preparing to stream song index 2
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4185] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1282) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: stream
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4193] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1319) 
Song queue is now 2,1
  [21-12-10 10:06:26.4194] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state STREAMING
  [21-12-10 10:06:35.8499] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerTrackStarted (2200) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:06:35.8501] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2377) new playing state PLAYING
  [21-12-10 10:06:35.8502] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (362) 
Song 1 is not longer in the queue
  [21-12-10 10:06:35.8503] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (368) 
Song 2 has now started playing
  [21-12-10 10:06:35.8506] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (397) 
Song queue is now 2
  [21-12-10 10:07:28.3833] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerEndOfStream 
(2286) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:07:28.3834] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state STREAMOUT
  [21-12-10 10:07:49.6968] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerReadyToStream (2218) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:07:49.6971] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state IDLE
  [21-12-10 10:07:49.6974] Slim::Player::StreamingController::nextsong (889) 
The next song is number 3, was 2
  [21-12-10 10:07:49.6993] Slim::Player::Song::new (109) index 3 -> 

[SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite and "player already active" messages

2021-12-10 Thread troffasky


I joined in on this bug as I thought it was the same thing but I am not
so sure now:

https://github.com/ralph-irving/squeezelite/issues/155

LMS with a Slimp3, a piCorePlayer, a laptop and a desktop. The Slimp3
and the PCP work fine, the laptop and the desktop seem to be really
flaky. Laptop was only brought into the equation as a comparison with
desktop but it behaves similarly.

Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.1 - 1628483320 @ Mon Aug 9 06:43:27
CEST 2021
Perl Version: 5.32.1 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi

desktop: squeezelite v1.9.9-1392
boomBox: squeezelite v1.9.8-1287-pCP
laptop: squeezelite  v1.9.8-1317

On the server, I can see that this is logged repeatedly so long as
either laptop or desktop has Squeezelite running. I am not sure the
significance of it but boomBox doesn't cause these messages when it's
online, so I assume it's not good:


Code:


  [21-12-10 10:27:24.7339] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:27:24.8349] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-10 10:27:24.9359] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  
  



The progress bar in the web interface jumps around quite a lot. Some of
the time it is in what I reckon is the correct place, a lot of the time
the track progress is shown as 100% which definitely isn't true. 
Last night I was playing an internet stream and it just wouldn't stop
the stream - this is me mashing the Pause button repeatedly to no
avail:


Code:


  
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.2859] Slim::Player::StreamingController::pause (2136) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.2862] Slim::Player::Source::playmode (95) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: Current playmode: play
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.3370] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.4383] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.4886] Slim::Player::StreamingController::pause (2136) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.4889] Slim::Player::Source::playmode (95) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: Current playmode: play
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.5428] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.6444] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.6982] Slim::Player::StreamingController::pause (2136) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.6985] Slim::Player::Source::playmode (95) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: Current playmode: play
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.7457] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.8467] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.8973] Slim::Player::StreamingController::pause (2136) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.8976] Slim::Player::Source::playmode (95) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: Current playmode: play
  [21-12-09 22:46:10.9513] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.0526] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.0892] Slim::Player::StreamingController::pause (2136) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.0895] Slim::Player::Source::playmode (95) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: Current playmode: play
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.1537] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.2551] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.2733] Slim::Player::StreamingController::pause (2136) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.2736] Slim::Player::Source::playmode (95) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: Current playmode: play
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.3566] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.4575] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.4672] Slim::Player::StreamingController::pause (2136) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.4675] Slim::Player::Source::playmode (95) 
60:45:cb:70:28:bc: Current playmode: play
  [21-12-09 22:46:11.5583] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2013) 60:45:cb:70:28:bc player already active: 60:45:cb:70:28:bc
  

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2021-12-10 Thread mruddo


cpd73 wrote: 
> I would use DISCSUBTITLE, but it is not provided by the LMS JSONRPC API
> that Material uses - so cannot access this, if it was then this would
> (obviously) be the best solution. I am not going to write custom SQL
> code for this, and definitely do not want to rely on CustomScan/Browse
> (nothing against those though). LMS does provide access to the comment
> field, hence using that - which works fine for my use case.

However you do it, I thought your suggestion that you qualify the
comment, with something like "TITLE=Disc Title" was a good one. That
would allow for other tags to be embedded or preserved in the comments.
We could then separate the detail in there with a semi-colon, so you
could have a comment of "TITLE=Disc Title;ENERGY=7;BPM=132;KEY=3A
etc..." 

(As you're aware I've been experimenting in this space, albeit with no
significant furhter progress to date!) :)



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