Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] How hide/remove stuff from MusicIP?
Thanks Louis... in the end I made the pragmatic solution of renaming my old music folders, then using the MusicIP GUI to scan the new drive. I didn't remove the existing cache, but the song counts etc. reported by MIP tally with what I'd expect. After another scan or two in SS, all *seems* to be OK! (Or at least as OK as it's ever been with MusicIP; I still have issues with MIP-generated mixlists in both iPeng and the Controller; but that's a separate issue.) I had already modified my playlists; with all my music now under one folder, it was easy (I used the excellent PSPad text editor to make a few global changes to them all at once). -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81653 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] How hide/remove stuff from MusicIP?
As the two drives I use for music (one internal, one USB) were getting pretty full, I've added a 2TB USB drive to replace them. I've copied my music onto it, and tried repointing SqueezeCenter (sorry, Squeezebox Server) at the new location with a wipe-and-rescan. I want to make sure that the new setup really works before I commit to it completely. Unfortunately, the MusicIP import has added many duplicate albums, seemingly copies from the old locations. I opened the MIP GUI to try to change its behaviour, but though I can add more drives for it to watch/scan, I can't find a way to tell it to forget the old ones, even though they can be removed from the watch list. (And now it's finding multiple copies of tracks by itself, so I dread to think what the next import into SS will do!) I don't want to remove my files from the old drives until I'm happy that the new drive is OK. (Also, I'm fairly sure that removing or hiding the old files will only make MIP complain.) So how can I remove the details from MusicIP, and only include details from files in the new drive? Is there a "wipe MusicIP cache" option somewhere? I'm saving the analysis to tags, so hopefully MIP won't spend years re-analysing everything. -- Brian Details, schmetails: Win XP; SS 7.5.0; MusicIP Mixer 1.8.1b -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81653 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Quirky MusicIP behaviour with Controller and iPeng
Hmmm, could be; I have moved stuff around occasionally (my music being split over two drives). Curious though that I've never had missing tracks when using MIP under the SS webiface, but often do (or can't even view the whole playlist, yet some tracks do play) on the Controller and iPeng. I've always archived the MIP analysis to the files, so maybe it'd be OK to wipe the MIP cache and start over... ? (But it would take a lng time if I'm wrong...) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80137 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Quirky MusicIP behaviour with Controller and iPeng
I seem to be able to generate MusicIP mixes just fine, and play them too. What doesn't seem to work well is that on both iPeng and the Controller, I can't get to see the playlist; it's just blank. (And just to confound me, when I tried to recreate this situation just now, it didn't happen - I can see the generated playlist just fine. NO idea what I did that might have been different from the times when I can't see the playlist. In both cases today (didn't work / worked) I created the mix from the device itself.) Also, there seems to be the occasional disharmony between MusicIP and SqueezeServer, in that MIP seems to choose tracks that SS can't find. Yet I run the MIP GUI fairly frequently to analyse newly-added tracks, then quit that, visit the MusicIP control web page and reload the cache, which then *seems* to get picked up the next time I do a scan in SS. This almost sounds like I should wipe either or both of MIP / SS's caches, but I'm fearful that if I do that I might never get MusicIP to work again! Does anyone know what's going wrong? Has anyone else seen these problems? Know how to fix them? -- Brian Vaguely pertinent stuff: SS 7.5.0; Win XP -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80137 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Custom Browse survey, why do you use it ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58894 Question: Why do you use Custom Browse ? - I need to be able to browse multiple libraries - I need to be able to browse composers or conductors separately - I need it to be able to filter the contents of albums, artists or genres menus - I need an itermediate A-Z menu before showing artists or albums for a specific letter - I need to be able to browse custom tags - The standard browse menus can't be configured as I like them - I need to be able to browse decades - I need more flexible browse menus to browse classical or jazz music - I use it because it exists but the standard browse menus works good enough - Some other reason I voted for several options, but to be honest the only way I use CB at the moment is for the A-Z artist menu. Most of the other ways I'd *like* to use it (browse by custom tags, esp. for classical / jazz) require more set-up effort by me that I just haven't got round to... yet! (Heck, I still have "Martyn, John" as the Artist rather than using Artistsort properly...) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58894 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] New version of OtherPlayers for 7.3
I agree; sounds promising, and fairly comprehensive! Terminology is harder. For me, "sync with" has always been too ambiguous, though I'm coming round to thinking of "A sync-with B" to mean that A should pick up whatever B is playing. I suppose that if you have "A sync-to B" (where B picks up A's playlist), then the other direction could be "A sync-from B"; but "sync with" is 7.3's nomenclature. I like the word "release," though I guess "unsyc B" (without the "from") is probably clear enough. Heh, the opposite of "release" could be "imprison" or even "enslave" (the latter would make it clear that A is the master!) So, if I'm listening to A, and want to sync what it's playing to both B and C, then with the Controller on A, would I do something like this: OtherPlayers -> SyncTo -> B -> <- [to SyncTo player list] C -> (Using "->" and "<-" for left/right arrows, followed by scrolls)? I think that'd make sync'ing with multiple players pretty easy (perhaps only choosing a Synchronizer pre-prepared sync group would be simpler). (Probably don't even need that left arrow, if going right to select B doesn't actually leave the list of players.) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57617 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] New version of OtherPlayers for 7.3
kolding;380866 Wrote: > Which version of SC and The Synchronizer? 7.3.1, 0.9.1; but anyway: kolding;380866 Wrote: > Try turning mid-track sync off, especially if you're on 7.3. I seem to > remember something about having bad interactions between SyncOptions > and the Synchronizer. 7.3.x really has the mid-track sync by default, > but you'll need the latest version of The Synchronizer to go with it. Bingo: setting SyncOptions' wait behaviour to Default did the trick (neither "attempt mid-track sync" nor "wait for next track" worked). Now, the players sync with just a brief mid-track glitch, which I can live with. I could probably disable SyncOptions completely now. Thanks! This should make sync much easier for me now! -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57617 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] New version of OtherPlayers for 7.3
kolding;380802 Wrote: > Shouldn't have to be stopped. You should just pick up what's on the > master player for each sync set. If the master is playing, the whole > sync set should begin playing. Is that not so? Tried it just now: with Living Room unsync'd (which may or may not have left Kitchen + Upstairs sync'd) and playing, tried Synchronizer / Sync all to Living Room, whilst watching Kitchen. Nothing happened - Kitchen and Upstairs remained silent. Nor did either of my pre-cooked groups (both with LR as master) work. The built-in Sync i/f shows Living Room is still unsync'd (and no sign of a Kichen / Upstairs sync group). I'm not in a position to try anything else right now (actually listening to music!) but my previous experiences are that even pausing the master doesn't work, it has to be Stopped. Until now, I assumed that's just the way it was. So there's hope! I have SyncOptions on, with mid-track sync set. Wonder if that could be interfering somehow? -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57617 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] New version of OtherPlayers for 7.3
radish;379788 Wrote: > There's nothing stopping OtherPlayers from doing a sync in the opposite > direction as well (same as push/pull playlist, which I use a lot more > often than sync). Can you clarify exactly the scenario you're thinking > of? (I have to admit to not being sure which was A/B in your > description). I'll try... I'm listening to player A, and not surprisingly that's the currently-chosen player on the Controller. I decide that I'd like to play the same thing on players B and C (ideally without interrupting the music on A). So I try what worked under 7.2. I go to Other Players, choose B, then "Sync with B". But now, A stops playing (or starts playing whatever B was playing), because sync now runs in the other direction. Player A now has acquired B's playlist. If I now go back to Other Players, choose C and then "Sync with C", a now acquires C's playlist; and (crucially) sync between A and B is broken, so I can't even try to recreate A's old playlist on A, B and C, because they're still not all sync'd. Presumably, to get A synced as master with both B and C (I hope my language is clear here), I have to choose one of B or C first. This is bad enough, as switching between players on the Controller is pretty slow (at least, it's always been that way for me); this was what I loved about Other Players before 7.3. If, as I fear, I have to "visit" all three, then that's just too tedious for words. (I say "if", because I've never tried to sync all three this way.) Might as well just stop A (perhaps waiting for the current track to end), and use The Synchroniser. (Incidentally, right now my three players are sync'd; but with the controller looking at Living Room (which should be the master, but see later), Other Players shows it as sync'd with Upstairs, but not with Kitchen. I guess there's an explanation along the lines of "mumble mumble sync groups," but I can't be bothered to figure it out. Just to complete my day: though Living Room has Crossfade set (according to the controller), it ain't happening. Am I really going to have to turn it on for every player? Please, no!) I do use grab/send playlist occasionally, but really do need sync most of the time as I can hear more than one player from many parts of the house. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57617 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] New version of OtherPlayers for 7.3
Max, I was really pleased to see this appear for 7.3; I was hoping it would be an improvement on how tedious it is to sync three or more players together in 7.3. Unfortunately, the behaviour of "sync A with B" has changed: it now cancels any previous sync "from" A, and loads B's playlist into A. This is pretty much the opposite of what happened in 7.2, but it's in line with 7.3, I grudgingly admit. So it's still not possible to sync >2 players together without having to switch players. (Well, there's The Synchronizer, but it seems to require the master (at least) to be stopped.) I wonder how easy it would be to subvert the new 7.3 behaviour in order to provide the old behaviour? -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57617 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: Other Players plugin for Squeezebox/Controller
Excellent plugin! This suits my uses of my Duet/SB3 pair very well. I was getting mildly irritated by how often I found myself having to switch between players to do something, and then back again. The kitchen SBR usually gets killed by the microwave and if the living-room is sync'd it gets killed too. With the Other Players menu I can cancel the sync (without having to change player first); or I can just send/grab the playlist from the kitchen to the living-room. Also, I find it handy to be able to power-up/down a player without having to switch to it. (Aside: sometimes my SB3 gets into a strange state where it appears to be off (both on its display and on the SBC) and yet it's playing. Pressing the on button (on either remote) at this point can be risky; e.g. earlier today, Other Players showed the SB3's power as unchecked but sync was checked. When I checked the power box, it turned the SB3 off properly, which silenced it and cancelled its sync with the SBR. IIRC, the menu didn't update the sync status to off until I left it and returned. If I use the webiface or another remote to sync or unsync, would Other Players detect & reflect it immediately, or does it just check the status on entry?) It looks as though "sync with B" means "get B to play what I'm playing", which fits in with other SBC behaviour. Would it be possible to add a "sync from B" option as well (so that the current player starts singing to B's tune, as it were)? Many thanks for writing and sharing this plugin. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49490 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A couple of MusicIP questions.
cparker;315986 Wrote: > You should look at setting MIP to run in headless mode, then when you > have done your stuff in the MIP GUI, just reload the MIP headless page > and then a rescan with SC and should be job done! > > This is the strongest way of using MIP and SC together, otherwise if > you close the MIP GUI then MIP stops. Thanks - but I'm already running MIP headless. I only start the GUI to find and analyse any new stuff, or to create filters. > If you replace the original MIP interface with my improved MIP headless > interface you will get a filters button so you can check that the > filters are viewable. > > Then if you reload from SC they should appear. (should ;) > > See my site for further details. Yup, had already done all that - your site was instrumental in getting my headless MIP up and running (though for some reason for ages I could only make mixes from playlists in SC). The filters certainly appear from your interface. ... aha! And now they appear in SC as well! (Without any more new scans, btw; so would a rescan really be necessary?) What I *didn't* do before was visit the headless page after creating the filter. I still haven't quite sussed the relationship between the GUI and the headless server. Is it the case that the server needs to be "kicked" in order to pick up changes made by (or when using) the GUI? Unfortunately, this means my wife can now have prog-free mixes :-( But only if I tell her it's fixed :-) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48339 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] A couple of MusicIP questions.
Siduhe;307254 Wrote: > You have to create the filter in the MusicIP GUI first. Right click in > the GUI, create filter, and then define your conditions. We have > filter Siduhe (all songs in my music folder) and Mr Siduhe (all songs > in his) so that we can generate mixes from only our own tracks if we > want. You may need to stop/start the API and/or do a full clear and > rescan to make them come up. After a series of surprises today, my wife has Ordered me to configure MusicIP so that it can be forbidden from adding Progressive Rock to its mixes. So I created a suitable named filter in the MIP GUI (once I realised that Library / List Custom Filter... didn't seem to do the trick). But I can't get the little sod to show up in the SqueezeCenter MIP plugin settings. I've tried stopping and restarting SC, both with and without stopping and restarting the MIP GUI. I've tried telling MIP to save the library cache (though I wouldn't expect to have to do this "just" for a new filter). I've tried a full rescan (luckily finding other things to do for the hour that this took, 30 minutes of which was thanks to MIP alone). No joy. The list of filters remains resolutely stuck at "(None)". So I'm posting this to register my frustration, because previous experience shows that this is exactly what I need to do before it will work. :-) I'm still finding MusicIP integration quirky. Several times today I created mixes in the SC web interface only to discover that selecting the Play icon did absolutely nothing; the only "solution" was to repeatedly generate mixes until one did actually work. (And then I managed to sync with another player in the wrong direction, and wiped the playlist anyway!) Even trying to play single items from the generated list did nothing. Later still, mix generation from the SC webface stopped working completely (all mixes were "empty"). No such problem with the Controller interface, but I was using the webface for other things that aren't available on the controller, and it's annoying to have to keep switching between control devices... When SC+MIP works, it's pretty good; but it just doesn't seem to be reliable, and I've yet to discover why it works sometimes but not others. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48339 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIPmix Crashing all the time
cparker;242901 Wrote: > Looks like you have something wierd going on! :) No disagreement from me there :-) > I do mean Reload cache.. see attached pictures, before and after. If > you dont see the Reload cache, then the GUI and webside (ie. mmm.ini > file) are not lined up. I don't have a "Reload cache" button. When I investigated a few minutes ago, I realised that the Prog Files copy of default.m3lib (to which mmm.ini pointed) was now older and smaller than the file I'd copied by hand to Docs-and-Settings, so *something* has been updating the latter. Both are several days old; I've been running the MIP service, but not the GUI, so I guess that it was the GUI that did the writing. Changed mmm.ini, restarted the MIP service (which also caused SS to restart). *Still* no "reload cache" button, still no change in SS. Did a clean scan in SS... still no change. (Just to confirm, test mixes from the MIP server page work fine.) > Ok back to basic :S > You do have "use MusicMagic" selected on the SS Server -> Basic > Settings pages. > Plugin is ticked on SS Server -> Plugins -> MusicMagic > > SS Server -> MusicMagic -> > MUSICMAGIC HTTP PORT > Check this is the same port as the webside of MusicIP as in the mmm.ini > file > > MUSICMAGIC RELOAD INTERVAL > For this I have mine at 6000, maybe if there is something clashing set > this to 0 to disable it. Yes to all of these, though my reload interval is 3613. I have tried setting it to zero in the past, but it didn't solve the thumbnails or no-mixes problems. Still no thumbnails. In earlier tests, I observed that if I selected "Don't use Music Magic" in SS and rescanned, I'd get thumbnails, but not if I rescan after selecting "use Music Magic". (If the option isn't there because SS can't see MIP, then I still get thumbnails as well.) I infer that *something* about the MIP/SS integration loses the thumbnails. > That would be a shame as its a great product :) So I keep hearing, and I've found the mixes it generates from the GUI "interesting"; though I don't always agree with the selection, there's usually a fair amount that I'd never have thought of including, but which strikes me as apt. I'm finding that the mixes on playlists are a bit weird, with a lot more far-flung choices. (For example, Blur included in a mix from an ECM Norwegian jazz playlist!!) But that was doing it from the SB remote, which seems to offer umpteen MIP mix settings (ah, and I do allow player-specific settings...) A mix from the same playlist made under Fishbone looks much more reasonable. Looks as though the remote doesn't start from the server-set default settings. > I always update my library via the GUI, let it archive analysis into the > files, when its finished close it. > Bring up the MusicIP GUI, hit the reload cache button, then close that. > > Then bring up SS and hit the look for new and changed, or sometimes > clear and re do the lot option. > Then it just works :) I believe that analysis is essentially complete; I think that running analysis from the GUI again just slows the computer down whilst MIP tries the few tracks it can never analyse again - and fails again. Just a hunch, but you can see my figures in an earlier post. (Ha! I take that back: the figures for the "new" cache are slightly different: total 14,569 / mixable 14,517 / 0 to validate. The total hasn't changed, mixable has risen by all of 8, and to-validate has been wiped from 182.) > I'm assuming that SS is generally stable? It sounds from your comments > like you have corrupt databases?? Do you run it on a standalone > machine, or is this box up and down a lot? I have no problems with SS most of the time. The server gets shut down every night (usually hibernation). Because I'm using DNS, my SB3 sometimes has to play hunt-the-server when I turn it on, but that's easily done. During earlier attempts to get MIP+SS working, I wiped the SS cache completely. This didn't help, and I'm loathe to resort to it again "just" for MIP's sake. I'm not saying I'm going to do it yet, but if I do remove MIP, will I also have to undo the registry change that makes SS's startup depend on it? -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39687 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIPmix Crashing all the time
cparker;242444 Wrote: > Hi Brian > > Just a quick one as I've got to shoot.. But I would analysis your files > using the GUI. Once that has completed, do File-> Save Library Cache. > Then close it. Bring up the web part of MusicIP and click the Reload > cache. Scanning from the web side blows and I never use it! :S Did all this (by "Reload cache" I assume you mean "Refresh Songs"). Figures hardly changed: Total 14,569; Mixable: 14,509; to validate: 182. (I'm pretty sure that last figure hasn't changed in a long time. Maybe the "next" track to validate is very long, and I never leave MIP running long enough for it to get through it. When I ran the GUI this evening, the "to analyse" figure started off at about 150, then went down to 122 - then crept back up again! Hours later, the "to analyse" display had disappeared completely, so I assumed it had finished. But analysis != validation, I believe.) > Now if you can generate a mix with the web interface of MusicIP then > everything there "should" be working. This will then rule out the > problem is on the MusicIP side. (Mostly ;) Generating a mix from the web interface works fine, but that's always worked ever since I switched to your server page. > Therefore all that is left to check are the SS settings that the port > number is correct, ie. its NOT trying to talk with the GUI port number. > Server Settings -> MusicMagic -> Port No. should be the headless port > number. Check. > Then do a full library rescan on the SS side. (Server settings -> Clear > Library and Rescan everything) This will shake out any bad stuff in > the database. > > Hopefully that will help, let me know if you need more details. Alas, no change: still no "mm" icon for tracks, or much else - as I said, I only see it on Playlists. Other things have a blank where the "mm" icon might have been. Actually, one change, but for the worse: all the thumbnail images are now missing. This is what happens every time I do a clean rescan while the MIP service is running. (Similarly, thumbnails for new/changed music scans don't get picked up either.) I haven't checked this time, but when it happened before, it looked as though the scan process was bombing out at the last minute - so the songs are added, and even the artwork when individual albums are listed, but not the thumbnails. (I haven't been using the machine much tonight, so haven't noticed whether the scanner no longer runs so frequently; but it didn't seem to when I was using it for about 10 minutes just now. I'd read somewhere that SS's scanner might get triggered frequently when MIP is analysing, as it's continually changing the cache.) Ah well, thanks for the suggestions, but it looks as though MusicIP is just not for me! (Mind you, I haven't tried "1.8 stable" yet... but if the same thing still happens, I think I will have to give up, bin MIP and move on!) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39687 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIPmix Crashing all the time
haunyack;241879 Wrote: > Hi cparker, > > I've just become your biggest fan! > Your simple, concise instructions are just the ticket. > [...] cparker's instructions - and haunyack's reaction - got my hopes up; there are details in there that I'd not seen before (e.g. changing the GUI port), and it is a nice concise description. Perhaps even worth losing many hours' working context and trying a reboot... Unfortunately, I don't seem to be any better off afterwards: now SS has finally started (it crashed on reboot, but manual start was OK), it does recognise MIP, but I still don't get the ability to build mixes from Artists, Albums or Songs. So far mixes from Playlists are the only things I've spotted; which is no better than I'd managed before. I must admit I didn't follow the instructions to the absolute letter. When I changed the cache location (to under Docs and Settings), the MIP web page's song count remained steadfastly at zero. When I looked, it's obvious that though I'm running MIP 1.8.1b, it's definitely updating the default.m3lib cache that's under Program Files, and there was no copy under Docs and Settings (for me or anyone/anything else). Restoring the cache setting in mmm.ini and restarting the MIP service did the trick: a nice full cache, with only a few songs unanalysed. Generating test mixes from cparker's new server page (much improved indeed) worked fine too. But no improvements in SS. (Actually, first I tried copying the cache file to under Docs and Settings; this worked too, but subsequently MIP modified the Prog Files copy, so that's why I think its still the active location.) Another niggle is that even running MIP headless, for some reason SS's scanner is kicking in frequently (once per minute, I think); I've tried setting the MIP reload interval in SS settings to something huge, but it makes no difference. (Perhaps setting it to zero (== disable) will help, but might that be a bit pointless?) Since I use my PC for other things, this can be a bit of a nuisance as it sometimes freezes whatever I'm using when this happens. (If, as someone has suggested, this is because MIP hasn't finished analysing my collection, then it probably never will - it *has* analysed the vast majority, but there are a few tracks that it never seems to finish analysing, and it never seems to give up trying either.) I've no idea why I have so much trouble getting MIP + SS to work. It's frustrating to be able to generate mixes from playlists (which I rarely want) but not from individual songs (which is what I'd really like). I can't see anything that I've done wrong. If I remove the MIP service, will I have to undo the registry setting before I can run SlimServer again? -- Brian Possibly pertinent details: SS last official 6.5 release MIP 1.8.1b Win XP SP2 -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39687 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIP mix icon not showing itself
haunyack;236708 Wrote: > I found the same happening with me. > Anyway...do you have MIP running as a windows service? > If so, uninstall it from Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Services. > Then use the MIP GUI and it should start the API automatically. > Once the port is opened, start SC. Well, against my better judgment to just give up, I tried this. No good: MIP GUI Test Connection says OK; but (restarted) SS doesn't spot MIP at all - no option to select it. I was getting fed up anyway: despite having set the SS refresh interval for MIP to something quite big, SS's scanner was running every minute or so. (I did add some more music yesterday, so maybe MIP's ponderous crunching was getting SS all worked up, but it seems totally inappropriate to the amount of change.) Maybe I'll try again next time I reboot. For now, MIP is not installed as a service, and I'm minded to keep things that way. If it doesn't work after the next reboot, I'll probably delete MIP completely. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39000 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIP mix icon not showing itself
Well, I made a half-hearted attempt at getting MIP + SS to work: - stopped both services; - rummaged around in various Temp dirs, but couldn't see anything relevant; - wiped SlimServer/server/Cache (actually, moved it away); I must admit I didn't reboot. I'd lose too much context on other stuff I'm doing on the machine right now. - started MIP GUI; under Prefs/Services, API was checked, but both Start and Show Services buttons were greyed-out; yet Server/Test Service said all was OK, so I left it at that; - started SS. The scan took about 25 minutes. My thumbnails reappeared - yippee! But no sign of MusicMagic at all. B*gger. Stopped SS. Started the MIP service (from Control Panel /.../ Services). Restarted SS. "mm" icon appears (in Fishbone), but only for playlists. On other items, there's definitely a blank space to the left of the TrackStat icon. So, no progress at all, just another waste of time. (Well, not really; hopefully wiping the cache will have removed lots of detritus. Have yet to discover whether anything important has gone as well!) I bet if I do a rescan now, my thumbnails will all disappear. So: I can only use MoodMixes created in the MIP GUI (which is a bit fiddly), or generate new mixes from playlists. Better than nothing, I suppose. But I also have to remember to stop the MIP service before doing a scan in SS, so thumbnails get generated. And that's how it's going to be until some upgrade of either MIP or SS fixes this, or I get fed up an remove MIP. I'm through with trying to fix it myself. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39000 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIP mix icon not showing itself
Thanks; but that's rather more radical than anything I've had to do with SlimServer so far. Still, right now I'm enjoying a mix derived from a playlist, so I might well have a go - but not until I've had a chance to actually listen to some music for a while! -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39000 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIP mix icon not showing itself
Well, some progress of a sort... after yet another round of checking that the MIP service was running, ensuring that mmm.ini existed (by changing something in the MIP server i/f page), stopping and restarting SS, then doing a wipe and rescan, I've discovered that I can generate MusicMagic mixes at last... but only from my playlists (and curiously, for Years). Still no joy for individual tracks; nor for artists, albums or genres. (I can't be sure I checked playlists previously; I only noticed by chance just now. It's possible they've been mixable for a while - it never occurred to me that playlists might be mixable but not much else!) And the rescan threw away all my thumbnails... again. Why? Maybe the scan is dying before it gets that far. Unlike haunyack, I don't feel like messing around trying to make sense of debug logs. The end of that tether is getting awfully near! -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39000 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIP mix icon not showing itself
erland;234557 Wrote: > TrackStat and MIP should work together, if both are installed they will > both provide a mixer. The result is that when you hold play down, you > will get a menu where you can choose if you like to launch the > TrackStat mixer or the MIP mixer. If it moves directly into the > TrackStat menu this means that MIP hasn't registered any mixer on that > item. In the player interface a mixer is indicated by the "m" icon, it > looks the same for both TrackStat and MIP. In the web interface > TrackStat will display its mixers with a "TS" button while MIP will > display it with a "mm" icon. Yes, thanks from me too. This describes pretty much what I experience, so it looks as though MusicIP isn't working with SS (or vice versa). At least, I've yet to find any artist, album or track with the "mm" icon, or where play-hold brings up a menu. Further, if I open the MusicIP Mixer, the vast majority of my tracks are green and can be used to generate mixes. SS knows MIP is there, and I can select MoodMixes. So I don't know why there's no "mm". I think I'm finding other side-effects of MusicIP that I don't like. The default settings seem to trigger the SS scanner every minute, even though I though MIP had finished analysis so shouldn't be changing anything. I've since changed the MM reload interval from 60 to 600; but I might turn it off completely, as I prefer to rescan manually. Particularly annoyingly, any scans (triggered by MIP, or initiated by me, incremental or wipe) don't set thumbnails in at least some of the gallery views. (At one point, the whole lot vanished and didn't come back until I switched to "don't use MusicMagic" before doing a scan.) It's a shame, but I'm on the point of ditching MusicIP again - I just don't want to waste much more time faffing around on it. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39000 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIP mix icon not showing itself
I've been mucking around with MusicIP on and off for several months (a large chunk of which time was spent just waiting for it to analyse my library). I've never managed to get it to work properly with SlimServer. At one point, I did manage to get the MusicIP Mixer to send an entire mix to my SB3; but next time I tried it, it would either send just the first track, or nothing at all. But I'd really rather drive it from SS / SB3, not the other way round. I could never get SlimServer to see the MIP server either... until I followed Siduhe's instructions above. Actually, I downloaded the latest version of MusicIP, installed that, installed the service from the command line, then started it from Control Panel /.../ Services. In fact, it started showing up in the SS Settings menus after I restarted SlimServer. (Honest, I had tried and tried starting the MIP service, making sure it was running, then (re)starting SlimServer, but with no joy whatsoever. Where did I go right? :-) Actually, probably in remembering to open the MIP API port in Windows Firewall on the server.) Now I can see my "MusicMagic Mood Mixes" in SlimServer. All three of them. Well, that's some success. But I cannot for the life of me work out how to do the thing I really, really wanted to do: to be able to create and play a new mix by choosing a "seed" track from either the SS web interface or from my SB remote. Any little "mm" symbol resolutely refuses to appear in either place. (I do sometimes see a little "m" with bars above/below it, but that's been there for ages, and I've forgotten why it's there - TrackStat?) Play+hold on a track on the SB3 doesn't create a new mix, but goes to TrackStat instead. I even wasted another half-an-hour doing a clean and full rescan in SS, but it made no effing difference. Could the problem be that TrackStat is interfering with MIP? I think I saw something about Play+Hold in the TS settings, but have ignored it so far. And that wouldn't explain why there's nothing in the web interface - unless of course there's nothing in the web interface anyway (which would be a pity). So thus far, all I know about MusicIP is that it consumes vast amounts of time and CPU for very little purpose. Come to think of it, the mixes that it's thrown up so far have been interesting rather than accurate. I find myself wondering why on earth it's made some choices. But it does also bring up things that I'd never have thought of myself, but which do work. Any ideas? (Preferably ones that don't involve complete rescans, multiple reboots, etc. :-)) Have I completely misunderstood the instructions on how to drive MIP from SS? -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39000 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MusicIP Setup
Siduhe;160679 Wrote: > You may find these instructions a bit more helpful if you want to create > mixes from within Slimserver - I am assuming you are using Windows ? > > http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?MusicMagicMixer > > Essentially, you need to enable MusicMagic in Slimserver - go to Server > Settings and Click Use MusicMagic at the bottom of the page. > > If you are going to use this regularly you will need to get it set up > so MusicMagic starts first, then Slimserver. Again, this should all be > covered in the Wiki or see here http://www.musicip.com/mixer/server.jsp > about running MusicMagic as a service. Post back if you have any > further problems. Well, I've tried following these instructions - and later posts about stopping / restarting SlimServer - and the little beggars still won't work together. No "use MusicMagic" button has ever appeared. (Should it be on the Server Settings / Basic Settings page?) I don't see any MM icon anywhere (and MusicIP scanned my library quite a long time ago, so almost everything is analysed). OTOH, I *do* see a little "m" with bars above/below it, on the top right of at least some Artists and Albums; but when I press and hold Play, Trackstat appears instead. Could it be that TrackStat and MusicIP are incompatible? Or do I need to change something in TrackStat's configuration? It would be nice to get this working. Sending mixes made with the MusicIP GUI to SS is only sporadically successful, can't be done using the remote (I need either to be sitting at the server, or using VNC from my laptop), and is very irritating when it doesn't work (because then if I really want the mix, I have to save it as an m3u file, then rescan playlists in SS... and wait...) (Argh! Frustration!! I *definitely* checked "API" in MIP's settings, and hit Start, which seemed to work. In both times I stopped SS, when I returned to MIP's settings, API was still checked, but Start was greyed-out. I assumed this meant it was already running. I also thought I'd set up MIP to run as a system service a while ago. But just now I checked Windoze/Sys Info/Services, and no sign of anything remotely like MusicIP listed. Open MIP's Settings dialog - and now "Start" isn't greyed out! So does that mean it *isn't* running after all? And was it really running when it *was* greyed-out? Feck it, I'm fed up stopping and restarting SlimServer for yet more tests. Yet again, I *just* *want* *to* *listen* *to* *my* *music*, not faff about for wasted hours with endless permutations of incomprehensible settings... well, I might have another go sometime - but only once I've actually listened to some nice soothing music!) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30406 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
