[SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
I've recently been contemplating alternative ways of visualising music collections, in particular using 3D and other aesthetic approaches that forego extensive functionality in favour of being slick and easy-to-use. Also of interest to me is a ten-foot interface for SqueezeCenter; something that could be displayed on the TV and used at parties etc. So, here is a proof-of-concept for a 3D album browser. The visualisation I've used is "inspired by" (read: ripped off from) Apple's CoverFlow interface. I chose this to get people thinking of the general approach (probably being comfortable with the metaphor) rather than getting hung up on something more exotic. What do I mean by proof-of-concept? Well the idea is to understand the technical feasibility and generate discussion on the benefits (if any) of such an approach to the SD community. I'm hoping people will have other ideas on how music collections could be visualised (not just the old favourite album art). This PoC has just enough functionality to get the point across and inspire - it is by no means intended to exhaustive (or *ahem* stable). If it generates enough interest then I may develop it further. So, please give it a go if you're interested. I've attached some screenshots below. Please make sure you read the readme.txt file and peruse the config.ini file before starting it up, and let me know if you have any issues. 'Download Squeeze3D (938kb) ' (http://www.mediafire.com/?nl9dxx1ydxz) +---+ |Filename: Squeeze3D-2.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4656| +---+ -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Windows Vista I tried to just copy the files in the ZIP to a desktop folder and run it. I did change the host to where SC is running (not the box I'm running this from). Looks like I'm missing something - I got an error message: -- See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ** Exception Text ** System.IO.FileNotFoundException: The specified module could not be found. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x8007007E) at Squeeze3D.Program.Initialise(frmMain canvas) at Squeeze3D.frmMain.frmMain_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl() at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl() at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) ** Loaded Assemblies ** mscorlib Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.312 (rtmLHS.050727-3100) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll Squeeze3D Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Users/Doug/Desktop/Squeeze3D/Squeeze3D.exe System.Windows.Forms Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.312 (rtmLHS.050727-3100) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll System Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.312 (rtmLHS.050727-3100) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll System.Drawing Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.312 (rtmLHS.050727-3100) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll ** JIT Debugging ** To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this application or computer (machine.config) must have the jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section. The application must also be compiled with debugging enabled. For example: When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer rather than be handled by this dialog box. -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
dwilliams01;282473 Wrote: > I tried to just copy the files in the ZIP to a desktop folder and run > it. I did change the host to where SC is running (not the box I'm > running this from). Looks like I'm missing something - I got an error > message I suspect this is caused by an out-of-date DirectX component - can you try installing the DirectX updates? The URL is in the readme.txt file. Let me know if this resolves it (or if not!). -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
VERY interested in this! Unfortunately, even after updating DX9 via the provided URL, the program says it cannot connect to SC, and to make sure the CLI port is correct and open, both of which it is. :( The screenshots look awesome, tho. Have fun developing! Derek -- oddquad Squeezebox Controller* > Squeezebox 3 > Garden Hose > Sunbeam Model 5 Mixmaster > Free-Range Chicken > Kazoo *A boy can dream, can't he? ;) oddquad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15539 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
oddquad;282497 Wrote: > Unfortunately, even after updating DX9 via the provided URL, the program > says it cannot connect to SC, and to make sure the CLI port is correct > and open, both of which it is. :( Hmm... I added the CLI port comment because I found that port 9090 hadn't been automatically opened on the server by SC (even though port 9000 was). I can't remember if the CLI plugin is enabled by default - it would fail if it wasn't. Assuming you've checked that, let's wait and see if others have problems connecting. Thanks for letting me know. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
I've got DirectX 10 installed. I'm not sure if it is "later" than 9.0c or not, though. I've been unable to install 9.0c (both web and full) throughout the day. Many internet searches. All I get is a dxupdate.cpp is not trusted error. Any advice? Thanks -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
FINALLY managed to get DirectX 9.0c installed... so it runs!!! I tried about 100 things so I have no idea what combination finally did it, though. Now, to the point... Looks Great! 1) The scroll wheel movement works really nice. 2) It seems to respond even when it doesn't have focus - a bit of a problem when I started typing this note... 3) Would be nice if it had a "Now Playing" screen/mode as well. That would be nice to for when people are over (party, etc.). SC is OK, but I see other people with Windows Media Center showing on the Big Screen for everyone to see. Excellent POC!!! -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Was looking really much forward to test it,but I can't get passed the error below. I would love to see this to be a MCE 2005 or Vista MCE application. It would be the perfect complement to any media center. Have you considered opening the source so that more people could help you implementing it? Anyway back to my error. Below is the error I get. I have .net 2.0 and DX10 so what is causing the trouble? Thanks ** Dump of the bug: See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ** Exception Text ** System.IO.FileNotFoundException: The specified module could not be found. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x8007007E) at Squeeze3D.Program.Initialise(frmMain canvas) at Squeeze3D.frmMain.frmMain_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl() at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl() at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) ** Loaded Assemblies ** mscorlib Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll Squeeze3D Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Users/aguida/Desktop/Squeeze3d/Squeeze3D.exe System.Windows.Forms Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll System Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll System.Drawing Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll ** JIT Debugging ** To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this application or computer (machine.config) must have the jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section. The application must also be compiled with debugging enabled. For example: When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer rather than be handled by this dialog box. -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
dwilliams01 Wrote: > 1) The scroll wheel movement works really nice. > 2) It seems to respond even when it doesn't have focus - a bit of a > problem when I started typing this note... > 3) Would be nice if it had a "Now Playing" screen/mode as well. That > would be nice to for when people are over (party, etc.). SC is OK, but > I see other people with Windows Media Center showing on the Big Screen > for everyone to see. Thanks for the feedback. If this gets developed further then a "Now Playing" mode would be mandatory. My thinking is to use different visualisations for each mode but in a way that's intuitive. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida Wrote: > I would love to see this to be a MCE 2005 or Vista MCE application. It > would be the perfect complement to any media center. Agreed, I run MCE myself, which is why I'm aiming towards a ten-foot interface. Aguida Wrote: > Have you considered opening the source so that more people could help > you implementing it? Good suggestion; possibly, in the future. At the moment I just want to get some discussion going on the idea and its benefits. OS projects have a habit of "jumping in the deep end" without a clear understanding of the goals. Usability-focused applications are even more sensitive to this. Aguida Wrote: > Anyway back to my error. Below is the error I get. I have .net 2.0 and > DX10 so what is causing the trouble? Have you tried installing the DirectX updates anyway? Having DX10 does not guarantee that DX9 applications work. From my own testing I believe that errors in Program.Initialise() are caused by outdated DX components. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
I finally did manage to get DirectX 9.0c installed. Of course, the next day it wouldn't boot... I'm not sure that it is related, though - although I did have to pull out my Vista CD and restore back to prior to that install to be able to boot again. -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
dwilliams01;282780 Wrote: > I finally did manage to get DirectX 9.0c installed. Of course, the next > day it wouldn't boot... I'm not sure that it is related, though - > although I did have to pull out my Vista CD and restore back to prior > to that install to be able to boot again. Yikes! I didn't have any issues after running the DX update on my Vista installation, but then again I didn't have those dxupdate.cpp issues you were having. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Is there any reason why SC7.0 is required? I am happily using Slimserver 6.5 and have no plan to change since it works flawlessly :-(. -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
This is just way cool! I have really liked this view in the itunes app; having it available for Squeeze is just unbelievable. I can see all kinds of opportunities for you to spend 28 hours a day on this! ;-) At this level of PoC, is it supposed to be able to actually play the music? I couldn't quite get that to happen. Are you reading artwork from the settings in squeezecenter 7.x? By that I mean I have set to use multiple different file names for the artwork. A nice approach would be to have a choice in how your albums sort/display. for me, I like to see by artist, by year, then by album name. Should be just a different query against the db. As I think of more things, I'll give more feedback. Thanks for this, I think it has many possibilities. Would be nice if we could get it to work with the remote! ;-) -- mkgolden1 mkgolden1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida Wrote: > Is there any reason why SC7.0 is required? I am happily using Slimserver > 6.5 and have no plan to change since it works flawlessly :-(. I haven't tested it on 6.5, the only v7 feature I'm using is to request album artist when getting albums. You could always try it on 6.5 and see what happens. mkgolden1 Wrote: > Are you reading artwork from the settings in squeezecenter 7.x? By that > I mean I have set to use multiple different file names for the artwork. Thanks for the feedback! I'm using the SC's URL approach (/music/id/cover.png) to get back the artwork. > At this level of PoC, is it supposed to be able to actually play the > music? I couldn't quite get that to happen. Yeah it's supposed to - highlighting a track and hitting space should do it... but you saw my stability disclaimer, right? ;-) It will only control the first player known to your SqueezeCenter, could this be it? > I like to see by artist, by year, then by album name. If there's enough interest I'll be developing further, but I'm interested in exploring other visualisations for other views - for example using pictures of artists for the group-by-artist view, and using metaphors other than the iTunes one. I'd like to get some opinions on this. > Would be nice if we could get it to work with the remote! ;-) My intention was to make it work with media-centre-style remotes (in keeping with the 10ft UI approach)... I'd never even considered making it work with the SB remote! Could be an idea, if it's possible to send such messages back to the client from SC. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
re art: using the SC's URL approach (/music/id/cover.png) explains: I grabbed a cover.jpg for an album whose art wasn't listed, BUT I didn't do a rescan in SC. I'll look for it to be picked up then. re: music control: couldn't get this going, watched the queue in the regular interface and didn't see it added, and the SB didn't queue it up. only 1 SB3 (for now) re: Group by: your explorations sounds interesting. My sort order "I like to see by artist, by year, then by album name." was not how I view in itunes (only used currently to load my wife's ipod) but rather how I view in the SC7 album interface. as i said, I definitely think this warrants further development. Coupled with the ability to print the library (from ACC) these have been my two greatest "like to haves". The simplicity of the user interface would allow anyone to use my library. -- mkgolden1 mkgolden1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
mkgolden1;283090 Wrote: > re: music control: > couldn't get this going, watched the queue in the regular interface and > didn't see it added, and the SB didn't queue it up. only 1 SB3 (for > now) Out of interest, can you see the currently-playing track in the bottom left of the screen? Thanks. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
no. I noticed in your screen shots that you had a graphic there of some sort. Not in mine. Environment is sc7.01 latest daily build, on Win2003 server, with the files on a remote share (soon to be DFS). Reads the db for the graphics but the music won't start. Before you go too far with it, I also have issues with using any browser other than one that is local, includes FF and IE. Permissions are all granted, but the new default skin won't display readily. This occurs from multiple computers. So, perhaps there is an issue on my side. -- mkgolden1 mkgolden1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
You do need to have DirectX 9.0c installed - 10 won't work. I would suggest getting the redistribution one instead of the SDK one, though. Also expand the download into a directory that is not in "program files" or some other "protected" area to actually install it from. I used c:\temp. Also run the real install (dxsetup.exe) "as administrator". This was for Windows Vista. If my experience is anything to go by I'd also make sure that you create a restore point prior to starting - just in case... -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Ok, I don't have any clue why I can't get it to work. I tried on 3 different computers and always get the same error (as I posted before, something with a module not loaded). PC1: Windows XP (DK), .net 2.0, Dx 9.0c PC2: Windows Vista (US), .net 3.5, Dx 10 (note when trying to install .net 2.0 it says that is already installed) PC3: Windows XP MCE (DK), .net 2.0, DX 9.0c The only thing I haven't tried is the combination Vista + DX9.0c. However it seems strange to require this combination since Vista comes directly with Dx 10. All in all seems a pretty unstable platform you trying to build your PoC on. This will probably cause you to use more time on debugging people's configuration problems than visualization concepts. I would consider using something like: www.microsoft.com/silverlight. It will shield you from all those problems. Thanks so far for trying. I still hope you will keep working on it, and I am available to help if you need it. Regards. -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida;283274 Wrote: > Ok, I don't have any clue why I can't get it to work. I tried on 3 > different computers and always get the same error (as I posted before, > something with a module not loaded). > > PC1: Windows XP (DK), .net 2.0, Dx 9.0c > PC2: Windows Vista (US), .net 3.5, Dx 10 (note when trying to install > .net 2.0 it says that is already installed) > PC3: Windows XP MCE (DK), .net 2.0, DX 9.0c > > The only thing I haven't tried is the combination Vista + DX9.0c. > However it seems strange to require this combination since Vista comes > directly with Dx 10. If you're willing to try, you could install the TV3D SDK (6.5 Full Setup) 'from here' (http://www.truevision3d.com/downloads.php) and see if the demos work. At least then we'd know if its my code or not! > All in all seems a pretty unstable platform you trying to build your PoC > on. This will probably cause you to use more time on debugging people's > configuration problems than visualization concepts. I chose the TrueVision3D library because it's one of the more stable out there, but the truth is we're in the realm of 3D accelerated graphics, which means drivers and the like come into play. I can't disagree with you that these debugging posts are moving the topic away from the visualisation discussion. On hindsight, I may have been better off posting mock-ups but I wanted a little wow-factor to get people motivated. The best laid plans... > I would consider using something like: www.microsoft.com/silverlight. It > will shield you from all those problems. I originally thought about Silverlight - in fact I started building on it, however 3D in Silverlight is still quite immature and slow (and doesn't use hardware acceleration) and I wanted to use 3D in the PoC to get people thinking if the extra dimension gives the interface another... erm... dimension. I'm not saying a 10ft UI for SC7 -has- to be 3D, but the point of a PoC is to find the boundaries. > Thanks so far for trying. I still hope you will keep working on it, and > I am available to help if you need it. Thanks for your candid opinions, I'm sorry you haven't been able to get it working yet. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
simbo;283284 Wrote: > If you're willing to try, you could install the TV3D SDK (6.5 Full > Setup) 'from here' (http://www.truevision3d.com/downloads.php) and see > if the demos work. At least then we'd know if its my code or not! > Good news! :-) I downloaded the demo it works perfectly. After that your PoC worked too! Did I miss some instructions about installing something? I had just unpacked your zip file in a folder and run from there. Anyway the great news is that it works in all the configurations (also with DX10) as long as I have run the demo first. It looks great! -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida;283329 Wrote: > Good news! :-) > > I downloaded the demo it works perfectly. After that your PoC worked > too! Did I miss some instructions about installing something? I had > just unpacked your zip file in a folder and run from there. > > Anyway the great news is that it works in all the configurations (also > with DX10) as long as I have run the demo first. It looks great! It's more likely I missed something - maybe another TV3D component is needed in the distro. I'm glad it's working for you now. Your initial observations still stand though - I'll think about some way to get the UI discussion going - maybe I'll start a separate thread focusing on the approach with a link to this one for the PoC. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida;283274 Wrote: > Ok, I don't have any clue why I can't get it to work. I tried on 3 > different computers and always get the same error (as I posted before, > something with a module not loaded). > > PC1: Windows XP (DK), .net 2.0, Dx 9.0c > PC2: Windows Vista (US), .net 3.5, Dx 10 (note when trying to install > .net 2.0 it says that is already installed) > PC3: Windows XP MCE (DK), .net 2.0, DX 9.0c > > The only thing I haven't tried is the combination Vista + DX9.0c. > However it seems strange to require this combination since Vista comes > directly with Dx 10. > > All in all seems a pretty unstable platform you trying to build your > PoC on. This will probably cause you to use more time on debugging > people's configuration problems than visualization concepts. > > I would consider using something like: www.microsoft.com/silverlight. > It will shield you from all those problems. > > Thanks so far for trying. I still hope you will keep working on it, and > I am available to help if you need it. > > Regards. On Vista, you still need to install 9.0c. Looks like 10 isn't just the latest version so you have to install it. It worked on my Vista box after I installed 9.0c (yes, 10 was already present for me as well). -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
No no need to install 9.0c. My Vista installation is as it came from the DVD with Dx10 and nothing else. After installing the sdk and running the demo it just worked. I don't believe the sdk installs any other version of Dx. This is also consistent with my other 2 PCs that already had 9.0c installed and still experienced the exception. Both worked after installing the sdk and running the demo. -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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By the way 9.0c was released on 8/4/2004 so I believe it is older than 10. -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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Certainly very intested in this - I think that the POC was a complete success from that point of view... :) Yes, sorting options would be needed. I prefer artist/album, myself. I, for one, probably wouldn't take the time to find all of the artists pictures to use. A VERY interesting idea, though. I could see that some would like it. Genre would be another one that pictures could be used to scroll through, but again, coming up with the artwork would be a challenge. I wouldn't mind the ability to optionally attach a picture to those, or playlists for that matter, though. For now playing I was thinking that the same UI method could be used. The album art flowing in/out with the current song's album in the center would be nice. The song title underneath the artwork. The current song would have to have some sort of highlight, though so you would know when you were "back". Another look would be the tiled approach - a big grid of album art that you can move up/down/left/right through. Kind of boring, but maybe quicker??? I keep wanting to grab an album with the mouse and drag it left/right to scroll through the list. Is that possible? It seems more natural than the scroll wheel method. The ability to "add" to the end or next of the current playlist would be essential in a party-type situation. Everyone wants to scroll around a pick something, etc. For this reason I'd love the ability to "lock out" the current "clear playlist and play this song/album" feature. It seems that everyone hits the play button at least once when using any of the other interfaces (web, SB3 remote, new controller) and wiping out everyone's previous selections is both common and unwelcome. Basically a "jukebox mode". Any thoughts on deployment platform choices? I'd think that I would potentially setup one of those "quiet" boxes to put on the rack by the AVR/TV, etc. I could see it being easily combined with something like MythTV, etc. (even though I use Tivo) so any thoughts on a non-Windows version (I think that MythTV, etc. is linux based)? Also, for this I'd like to have as little mgt. as possible so an install-n-forget linux vesion might be very popular (and cheaper since it saves the cost of a Windows license). Are you done yet??? :) -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida;283350 Wrote: > By the way 9.0c was released on 8/4/2004 so I believe it is older than > 10. Agree - it certainly is. I was thinking that it was more of a "parallel" type of thing where some apps need one version and others, another. You can have both 9 and 10 installed at the same time, anyway, so that certainly seems to be the case. All I did to get it to work on my Vista box was installing the 9.0c redeployement. Of course, that took a bit of work for me for some reason but even the second time around it didn't work, installed 9.0c, then it did. I wouldn't wonder if the SDK installs some other pieces, though, so that it can work in different environments with different versions, etc. No idea and now there are 2 ways to get it to work, I guess. Great!! -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
I was thinking it would be nice to use an old laptop (it would fit nicely in my current setup) and have this app for a party. One danger we have here is in rebuilding the whole interface. But ;-): It would be important to have the ability to queue songs rather than replace as already noted by dwilliams1. I too have the same problem, press 'play' when I meant 'add'. That said, then we also need the ability to clear the queue when someone selects sweet child o' mine when it is a miles davis night. Perhaps a queue screen where we can select an album/song and choose delete? I like the option of keys or mouse for scrolling around. some ability to switch between 'now playing' and 'select' so folks can see what is playing and then add. genre would be a nice option somehow, haven't thought that through. That almost gets to creating a playlist that people can play from. So, perhaps assigning/selecting a playlist that is where the selections come from? That needs further thought. more as I think about it... -- mkgolden1 mkgolden1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
So am I (very inetrested). As said my original wish was just to have something similar to the Vista Media Center music browser but controlling the slimserver instead of the local music. I think that the your way of scrolling albums is better than Vista's, so I am really looking forward to something running on media center and controllable with the remote. Please make sure to support MCE 2005 as well as many are still using it since Vista's MC UI is not in everybody's taste ;-) (certainly not mine) Just having what you have implemented today would be a dream. Additional views (by artist, by genre, etc) as well as searching could be added in future versions. Keeping this thread on top of my feeds newsreader :-) Thanks. -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Hi, In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, simbo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, please give it a go if you're interested. I've attached some > screenshots below. Please make sure you read the readme.txt file and > peruse the config.ini file before starting it up, and let me know if > you have any issues. Looks very interesting. Not sure how relevant my comment are as it's a Proof od Concept, but I had a number of crashes and error messages once I got it working. I suspect a lot of these are due to the way you request the album info? I set the limit to zero in the .ini file, and immediately got a huge error box that seemed to include a truncated CLI command response. I'd suggest you retrieve the albums (say) 10 at a time until you get them all to get around this. Also, while browsing through the albums, the title displayed was often incorrect for the artwork that was currently selected. Apart from that, a very interesting concept, and one that I'd definitely like to see taken further. The ability to retrieve a full library is obviously a good start, as is selecting between the players in a system. >From then, adding in different browse options as others have said would definitely be a plus. I'd love to be able to run something like this 'full screen' on a laptop for selecting music, with the ability to build up a playlist and use the mouse to move tracks around. I was in the process of implementing a utility (in Python) to allow for the entire library to be printed out (after retrieving details via the CLI) so if there's anything I can help with in that regard I'd be happy to help. Look forward to seeing any future progress. Andy ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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Thanks for the ideas and feedback, guys! adhawkins Wrote: > I set the limit to zero in the .ini file, and immediately got a huge > error box that seemed to include a truncated CLI command response. I'd > suggest you retrieve the albums (say) 10 at a time until you get them > all to get around this. I agree it needs to be more scaleable if it becomes a real project, and I think your approach is the best way to achieve that. In the meantime, you could try increasing the SocketDelay value (try 200+) in config.ini to see if that helps. If not, please could you PM me the error (just out of curiosity)? > Also, while browsing through the albums, the title displayed was often > incorrect for the artwork that was currently selected. Could be related to above. I'll probably add some diagnostic stuff to root out these issues. > I'd love to be able to run something like this 'full screen' on a laptop > for selecting music, with the ability to build up a playlist and use the > mouse to move tracks around. Full screen would be a necessity for the 10ft UI to work. I only disabled it in the PoC so I wouldn't have to code resizing and positioning procedures! :-) > I was in the process of implementing a utility (in Python) to allow for > the entire library to be printed out (after retrieving details via the > CLI) so if there's anything I can help with in that regard I'd be happy > to help. Thanks, I had a few issues with IP packet management via the CLI (which probably explains your first issue and is why the SocketDelay hack exists). If I develop this further I might come back to you to see what you did. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Hi, In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, simbo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree it needs to be more scaleable if it becomes a real project, and > I think your approach is the best way to achieve that. In the meantime, > you could try increasing the SocketDelay value (try 200+) in config.ini > to see if that helps. If not, please could you PM me the error (just out > of curiosity)? I'm not sure that SocketDelay would help, and to be honest I'm not too concerned just yet as it's obviously a quick Proof of Concept and not a final release. Not sure I could get the error, but given my knowledge of the CLI it looked like the remainder of a response asking for albums. I suspect you gave it a buffer, and the response was actually longer than that, which got your parsing code confused as it tried to process the result of the next 'read' from the socket. > Could be related to above. I'll probably add some diagnostic stuff to > root out these issues. Quite possibly. I think I dropped the album count down to something more sensible (200 if memory serves) so that I could have a play with the rest of the stuff without running into problems retrieving the album list. > Full screen would be a necessity for the 10ft UI to work. I only > disabled it in the PoC so I wouldn't have to code resizing and > positioning procedures! :-) Understood! > Thanks, I had a few issues with IP packet management via the CLI (which > probably explains your first issue and is why the SocketDelay hack > exists). If I develop this further I might come back to you to see what > you did. No problem. Basically (if memory serves) you can tell the CLI commands how many results you want them to return, and at what 'offset' to start returning results from. I set this to something relatively small so that I didn't run into any issue with split responses. First of all, I did: info total albums ? to retrieve the number of albums in the system, then kept doing: albums 0 10 tags:lyjiqwa albums 10 10 tags:lyjiqwa albums 20 10 tags:lyjiqwa ... until I'd retrieved them all. Bet of luck, definitely interested to see how this progresses. Any chance of a PDA version? :D Andy ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
dwilliams01;283354 Wrote:
> I, for one, probably wouldn't take the time to find all of the artists
> pictures to use. A VERY interesting idea, though. I could see that
> some would like it. Genre would be another one that pictures could be
> used to scroll through, but again, coming up with the artwork would be
> a challenge. I wouldn't mind the ability to optionally attach a
> picture to those, or playlists for that matter, though.
I've been pondering on this. How about if it was possible to share a
library of images (from Creative Commons etc), maybe just URLs to the
images?
- Artists would be straightforward (but probably the hardest to
collect).
- For Years; how about a significant event from that year ('69:
Armstrong on the moon; '89: Berlin Wall dismantling, etc).
- Genres; an instrument that epitomises that genre (could get messy
with subgenres - Jazz Rock Fusion anyone?)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Love those ideas and how they could look. Would be interesting to try it out and see how it looks. >From a pure usability point of view I guess I would be more interested in filtering my collection by artist, genre, etc. and then browse the albums using your 3d visulaization. In this respect it would not be very important whether artists or genres are represented by pictures or just names as much as that it should be easy and fast to include or exclude them in the filter. Eventually including multiple selections in the filter could be a great addition. Exciting to see what you will come up with. :-) -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida;284240 Wrote: > In this respect it would not be very important whether artists or genres > are represented by pictures or just names as much as that it should be > easy and fast to include or exclude them in the filter. You're absolutely right; ease-of-use and seek-time are primary factors in a music-browsing interface. My explorations in using 3D visualisations are to understand what could enhance these factors (or at the very least not compromise them). If a traditional 2D list works best for certain views then that's fine, we could even decide that a MCE 2005 clone (screenshots 'here' (http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/mce-2005/mce-2005-main-menu-screen2.jpg) and 'here' (http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/mce-2005/mce-2005-my-music2.jpg) for those who haven't seen it) is all that's needed, but it's nice to explore alternatives. For what it's worth, I find the MCE album art browser difficult to work with via the MCE remote because it requires you to use navigation buttons on both axes. Personally I think any browsing interface should stick to one axis. I should mention that I'm a usability fanatic (certified, no less) and take things like affordance and time-on-task to heart. Here's my take of the situation, based on my own experiences and the comments in this post so far:- - There is a potential space in the Squeezebox setup for a simplified UI focused on being easy to use (particularly for non-owners such as house guests) and non-destructive (e.g. cannot accidentally wipe out the current playlist). - There is a perceived demand for a "10ft UI", one that can be displayed on a TV and controlled via a remote control. Integration with Media Center would be nice. - A UI that has a certain "wow-factor" (i.e. impress-ya-friends) could be beneficial, especially with the emergence of highly stylised products such as 'Sooloos' (http://www.sooloos.com). I would love to hear what other people's opinions are on this, especially around the validity and demand for these requirements. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Simbo,just a suggestion. Have you had a look at Silverlight 2? The beta is quite stable and there are tools and lots of docs out there. Your app looks promising! -- mattias mattias's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13568 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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mattias;284807 Wrote: > Simbo,just a suggestion. > Have you had a look at Silverlight 2? > The beta is quite stable and there are tools and lots of docs out > there. > > Your app looks promising! Thanks. I have looked at Silverlight 2 but it doesn't support hardware acceleration so limited 3D use. However, if it's decided that only a 2D interface is needed then it's very likely I'd be developing in Silverlight 2. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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Oh, 3D seems worth it from a coolness factor alone - at least in my book... -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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simbo;284812 Wrote: > Thanks. I have looked at Silverlight 2 but it doesn't support hardware > acceleration so limited 3D use. However, if it's decided that only a 2D > interface is needed then it's very likely I'd be developing in > Silverlight 2. I just thought this looked quite ok. http://labs.componentone.com/Sapphire/?demo=tunes Anyways, keep up the good work, it looks promising. -- mattias mattias's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13568 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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simbo;282436 Wrote: > I've recently been contemplating alternative ways of visualising music > collections, in particular using 3D and other aesthetic approaches that > forego extensive functionality in favour of being slick and easy-to-use. > Also of interest to me is a ten-foot interface for SqueezeCenter; > something that could be displayed on the TV and used at parties etc. Nice idea. Please bear in mind that SqueezeCenter is a cross-platform product, however. Do you have any plans to support non-Windows platforms in a final version? Max -- max.spicer What do we want? Smoother Analog VU with FLAC! When do we want it? At the soonest possible convenience to the hard-working yet undervalued Slim Developers. ;-) max.spicer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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max.spicer;286509 Wrote: > Nice idea. Please bear in mind that SqueezeCenter is a cross-platform > product, however. Do you have any plans to support non-Windows > platforms in a final version? > > Max The cross-platform conundrum has crossed my mind. :-) A purely 2D interface is relatively straightforward using a technology like Silverlight or Flash. Hardware-accelerated 3D is a different story; the only cross-platform 3D API is OpenGL and that's still problematic with the sheer variation in OSes and hardware (not all GPU manufacturers offer decent support for OpenGL). I think this is something that needs to be considered if this becomes a fully-fledged project. Is it better to target a subset of the user base and then possibly open the code so others could port to other platforms? To develop in OpenGL accepting the additional development time and potential issues? To dismiss the 3D approach and stick to 2D? I'm open to suggestions. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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In case anybody wonders what this looks like on the TV, in full-screen... well wonder no more... (P.S. Sorry about the smears - kids *tut*) +---+ |Filename: IMG_3572.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4766| +---+ -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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simbo;287342 Wrote: > In case anybody wonders what this looks like on the TV, in > full-screen... well wonder no more... > > (P.S. Sorry about the smears - kids *tut*) Is this a new version you want to share with us? ;-) -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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Aguida;287352 Wrote: > Is this a new version you want to share with us? ;-) Sorry, no. :-( I hacked the TV version by hardcoding the positions for HD (720) resolution; just wanted to see how it looked. I've recently been toying with ideas for visualising the "Now Playing" playlist to understand if there are benefits in having a 3D visualisation (like the one below) rather than a standard list. I'll let you know what I come up with. +---+ |Filename: Squeeze3D-3.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4770| +---+ -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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Has anyone noticed the new Amazon.com 3D album scrolling? This MIGHT be another way to implement... +---+ |Filename: pscrn.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4776| +---+ -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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dwilliams01;287802 Wrote: > Has anyone noticed the new Amazon.com 3D album scrolling? This MIGHT be > another way to implement... Ineresting, thanks for pointing it out. I was looking at a similar approach for a Silverlight implementation because it doesn't really do any heavy 3D stuff, just resizing and moving the images (no rotating, which is one of the more processor-intensive tasks). The issue is when you try to blow these things up to an HD resolution - the framerate would be low and the lack of anisotropic filtering may be distracting on a big screen. Having said that, if it's decided that "real" (hardware accelerated) 3D is overkill for this UI then I'll definitely be looking that this kind of approach. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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Just gave it a try and it ran fine after updating files. (thanks for the link) I was playing with the alpha a-z keys and must have gone too fast and lost artwork in it. But other than that it looked very good. Please keep it up. -- Nonreality *-If the rule you followed brought you to this, what good is the rule.-* Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
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Thanks for all the feedback, it's really appreciated. Quite a few people have downloaded the PoC which suggests some interest. I'm interested in feedback from the silent majority; those who have downloaded the PoC but haven't commented. For this reason I've 'posted a poll' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46157) on the General forum to get some general (anonymous!) feedback on the demand. Apologies if this looks like a cross-post, but I can't retrospectively add a poll to this topic. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Hi This plug-in sounds extremely interesting - I'd love to have something like this running on an old laptop for parties etc. I tried running it on Vista and received the exception error as listed at the start of the thread. I installed DirectX as per the readme URL and that error went away - to be replaced by "Cannot connect to SC ... check config & CLI port is open" etc. I disabled the firewall temporarily with no luck. Otherwise I've no idea what else to edit in the config.ini. (I'm running SC on the local PC) -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
mr-b;290490 Wrote: > I'm running SC on the local PC If you're running the album browser on the same PC as SC, I take it you're specifying the server as "localhost"? If you are, you could try using the PC name/IP address, or even 127.0.0.1. There are some issues with Vista recognising localhost applications. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Yes I tried the actual servername and 127.0.0.1 with no difference even with the firewall disabled. I even tried "Run as administrator". Maybe the app could log which exact step of the connection is failing? What is the CLI Port exactly? I ran 'netstat' and couldn't see anything listening on port 9090. -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
It is the command line interface port. If SC is running it should be listening to this port (see attachment): +---+ |Filename: cover.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4804| +---+ -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Tx - my SC is configured the same - however 9090 still doesn't show up as a listener port in "netstat". -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
If you read the whole thread (always a good idea ;-) ) you will see I had the same problem. The solution for me was as I wrote. Aguida;283329 Wrote: > Good news! :-) > > I downloaded the demo it works perfectly. After that your PoC worked > too! Did I miss some instructions about installing something? I had > just unpacked your zip file in a folder and run from there. > > Anyway the great news is that it works in all the configurations (also > with DX10) as long as I have run the demo first. It looks great! Do as Simbo wrote in his post and check if that works for you too. simbo;283284 Wrote: > If you're willing to try, you could install the TV3D SDK (6.5 Full > Setup) 'from here' (http://www.truevision3d.com/downloads.php) and see > if the demos work. At least then we'd know if its my code or not! > -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Actually I did read the whole thread - but your error concerned the missing module exception, and as I mentioned: "I tried running it on Vista and received the exception error as listed at the start of the thread. I installed DirectX as per the readme URL and that error went away" The demos run fine but I still see the connection error when running 3D Browser on the Vista/SC box. I did manage to borrow an XP client and after installing DirectX, 3D Browser seems to work fine on that (to my SC server) - and it looks great! (But I really need it to work on the Vista/SC box ...) -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Oops, spoke too soon - the XP client crashed with: EventType : clr20r3 P1 : squeeze3d.exe P2 : 1.0.0.0 P3 : 47e52f50 P4 : mscorlib P5 : 2.0.0.0 P6 : 471ebc5b P7 : 15c P8 : 51 P9 : system.argumentoutofrange I think this might have been triggered by doing a SC "clear & rescan". -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
mr-b Wrote: > I really need it to work on the Vista/SC box You could try increasing the SocketDelay value in config.ini to something like 200. mr-b Wrote: > I think this might have been triggered by doing a SC "clear & rescan". Did you switch on the Persistent Cache? If so, yes it's probably the rescan, switching it off again should resolve it. If you didn't switch on the Cache, the SocketDelay change may help. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
mr-b;291196 Wrote: > Actually I did read the whole thread - but your error concerned the > missing module exception, and as I mentioned: > > "I tried running it on Vista and received the exception error as listed > at the start of the thread. I installed DirectX as per the readme URL > and that error went away" > > The demos run fine but I still see the connection error when running 3D > Browser on the Vista/SC box. > > I did manage to borrow an XP client and after installing DirectX, 3D > Browser seems to work fine on that (to my SC server) - and it looks > great! > (But I really need it to work on the Vista/SC box ...) Ups. My apologies MR-B, that was me who should have read better your posting :-(. I see your probelm is different and unfritunately have no clue about it. Hope you'll work out. -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
First, of course, great idea/product - am seeing large touch screens and
all sorts of browsing excitement!
Secondly I have a couple of practical glitches which I feel are worth
mentioning:
{Winxp Home, SC7)
For me at least if I set maxalbums to 17 or over it errors out, saying
length cannot be less than zero or some such. Between 1 and 16 (incl.)
'tis fine and when set to 0 also works perfectly (displaying art for
first 100 albums as per your limit). Not sure what might be causing
this.
It takes a long time (couple of minutes) to load all albums which makes
sense on the first time but if I have caching on then I would
expect/want it to load more quickly on subsequent attempts using the
cached data.
I love the fact that you can jump to the beginning of a letter range
with the keyboard - this makes browsing far more practical (of course
other search methods would be needed in a final product), but whilst
the art skips to the right point, the title and artist do not (a left
or right nudge is needed to correct) and if you hit space to access
album then the album and artist are still wrong but the right tracks do
appear. Just thought I'd point that out.
And finally(!) it is reacting to inputs when it is not the program in
focus.
Great stuff and look forward to seeing further developments - time and
weather permitting!
Charlie
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
simbo;291212 Wrote: > You could try increasing the SocketDelay value in config.ini to > something like 200. > > > Did you switch on the Persistent Cache? If so, yes it's probably the > rescan, switching it off again should resolve it. If you didn't switch > on the Cache, the SocketDelay change may help. Increased SocketDelay to 200 - no difference. I think there's something fundamentally preventing communication to SC - prolly a Vista security feature! ;-) However I've disabled everything I can think of and run the app as admin etc. With the XP error I didn't enable the Persistent Cache. -- mr-b mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
I get the following error when loading albums... Is it perhaps not able to handle albums that have no cover? See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ** Exception Text ** System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Length cannot be less than zero. Parameter name: length at System.String.InternalSubStringWithChecks(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length, Boolean fAlwaysCopy) at Squeeze3D.Server.DecodeResponse(String rtn, String command, String[] fields) at Squeeze3D.Server.SendCommand(String command, String[] fields) at Squeeze3D.Server.GetAlbumList() at Squeeze3D.Program.Initialise(frmMain canvas) at Squeeze3D.frmMain.frmMain_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl() at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl() at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) ** Loaded Assemblies ** mscorlib Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll Squeeze3D Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0 CodeBase: file:///e:/incoming/Squeeze3D/Squeeze3D.exe System.Windows.Forms Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll System Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll System.Drawing Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll Accessibility Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Accessibility/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Accessibility.dll MTV3D65 Assembly Version: 6.5.2823.21213 Win32 Version: CodeBase: file:///e:/incoming/Squeeze3D/MTV3D65.DLL System.Configuration Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll System.Xml Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll ** JIT Debugging ** To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this application or computer (machine.config) must have the jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section. The application must also be compiled with debugging enabled. For example: When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer rather than be handled by this dialog box. -- SlimboJimbo SlimboJimbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13244 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
SlimboJimbo;292746 Wrote: > I get the following error when loading albums... > Is it perhaps not able to handle albums that have no cover? It can handle albums with no cover, it's more likely to be a IP packet handling issue (as adhawkins has pointed out, my current networking implementation needs some work ;-). Try increasing the SocketDelay value in config.ini to 200 or higher - that may help. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Just curious to know if this idea has been dropped or is still being developed? Thanks -- Aguida Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
I just tried out the PoC ... it's fabulous! Please continue to work on it! -- Jon Jon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2848 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Aguida;308496 Wrote: > Just curious to know if this idea has been dropped or is still being > developed? > > Thanks The feedback from the poll looked fairly favourable, but with a lot of people thinking a non-3D interface could suffice. In true PoC style, I've been looking at other ways of implementing (3D and non-3D) but I haven't had a lot of time to work on this recently. Hope to be getting back to it soon. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Still waiting to dazzle friends and family with this - hopefully you have some spare time coming up. Certainly be willing to help out testing. :) -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
i can not understand how to work with it..and use but its really very easy and i had done my self. its gives better functionality and reasy to use . -- allmywebsite1 'free internet tv' (http://www.craftytv.com/) allmywebsite1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
dwilliams01;325120 Wrote: > Still waiting to dazzle friends and family with this - hopefully you > have some spare time coming up. Certainly be willing to help out > testing. :) Good chase! :-) As you've probably guessed I haven't done a lot with this recently. With SqueezePlay just round the corner, hopefully meeting many of the original needs (i.e. a simplified UI), this may become redundant however it's to be seen if this is the case. I'm also interesting in seeing how feasible it would be to integrate a 3D view into SqueezePlay. If this isn't possible or is too slow, I might be picking this project back up again. I'm open to thoughts or opinions on this. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
What is SqueezePlay and where can I find info about it? Google came up with nothing audio related! BT -- BigTony We're Only In It For The Music! www.zappateers.com BigTony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10638 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
BigTony Wrote: > > What is SqueezePlay and where can I find info about it? > Google came up with nothing audio related! > here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezePlay -- pichonCalavera *rip* (eac) > *convert* (flac) > *tag* (musicbrainz/mp3tag) > *normalize* (replaygain/foobar2000) > *albumart* (www) > *transport* (winscp) > *store* (debian) > *rescan* (squeezecenter) > *play* (squeezebox) > *preamplify* (zpre2) > *amplify* (zampv3) > *listen* (axiomm2) > *scrooble* (last.fm) > *enjoy* (me :) pichonCalavera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13068 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
pichonCalavera;326117 Wrote: > here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezePlayI copied your sig once > but never told you how cool it was. It is. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] [PoC] 3D Album Browser (Windows)
Nonreality Wrote: > > I copied your sig once but never told you how cool it was. It is. > Hey thanks!, only trying to keep it basic. -- pichonCalavera *rip* (eac) > *convert* (flac) > *tag* (musicbrainz/mp3tag) > *normalize* (replaygain/foobar2000) > *albumart* (www) > *transport* (winscp) > *store* (debian) > *rescan* (squeezecenter) > *play* (squeezebox) > *preamplify* (zpre2) > *amplify* (zampv3) > *listen* (axiomm2) > *scrooble* (last.fm) > *enjoy* (me :) pichonCalavera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13068 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
