[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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bpa Wrote: 
> atlslim,
> Had you modified RWIN to optimise download before the Bandwidth problem
> 

Yes - I think :) Sorry I can't be more definitive. I have multiple PCs
on my network and I use a TCP optimizer program on each for PPoE DSL
broadband - pretty sure my RWIN values were 'tweaked' prior to
SlimServer install


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

SadGamerGeek,
I'll write up a longer explanation but I think what I have said is not
at odds with what you have experienced.  First, I want to do a few
experiments to try to get a better understanding of what is happening
and be able to give proper advice.

atlslim,
Had you modified RWIN to optimise download before the Bandwidth problem
in other words, did the problem occur with a vanilla windows
installation ?


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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bpa Wrote: 
> Interesting to know the the bandwidth parameter also affect Linux
> installations.
Yeah, a *big *difference.


bpa Wrote: 
> I think the stuttering is a known bug if you are streaming in FLAC to
> SB.  I get it on my system and if you stream MP3 it will goes away. I've just 
> re-tested with the config file back to defaults. I definately
don't get any "stuttering" when the *-bandwidth* 
param is there (using FLAC). The visualisation & clock on the
squeezebox are both smooth, and so is the console info from mplayer. 

bpa Wrote: 
> I think the buffer is always low on broadcast because the BBC server
> will only send fragments at a time which are not enough to fill SB
> buffer.I'm afraid that's not what I'm seeing, as there's a massive difference
for me depending on the absence/presence of the *-bandwidth* setting.
This is with the default settings:
Code:

< 10 :0 :  0% 
  < 20 :0 :  0% 
  < 30 :0 :  0% 
  < 40 :0 :  0% 
  < 50 :0 :  0% 
  < 60 :0 :  0% 
  < 70 :0 :  0% 
  < 80 :0 :  0% 
  < 90 :0 :  0% 
  < 100 :  253 :100% ##
  >=100 :0 :  0% 
  max  : 99.36
  min  : 99.841213
  avg  : 99.932811



This is my buffer when playing with *-bandwidth* removed:
Code:

< 10 :  254 :100% ##
  < 20 :0 :  0% 
  < 30 :0 :  0% 
  < 40 :0 :  0% 
  < 50 :0 :  0% 
  < 60 :0 :  0% 
  < 70 :0 :  0% 
  < 80 :0 :  0% 
  < 90 :0 :  0% 
  < 100 :0 :  0% 
  >=100 :0 :  0% 
  max  : 3.239155
  min  : 0.00
  avg  : 0.303629



bpa Wrote: 
> atlslim tried bandwidth with smaller values - however I think you could
> also try with large ones as well.I'll give it a go...


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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Current TCP properties:MTU = 1492 MSS = 1452
Default TCP Receive Window (RWIN) = 261360
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 2 bits (scale factor of 4)
Unscaled TCP Receive Window = 65340

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other RWIN values that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
511104 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
22 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
127776 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63888 (MSS x 44)

w/ the default -bandwidth setting I was only able to use the unscaled
RWIN value (63888) and not receive the error


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

Odd that bigger and smaller still cause an RDT error - makes me wonder
whether the bandwidth option processing code is in fact corrupting
something.

I may try to provoke the error on my system - can you tell me the
following
1. What value of RWIN causes the RDT error ? What value makes the RDT
error go away
2. By default RWIN is set to 4*Max packet size. What is the Max packet
size on your network (MTU I think ) ?


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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bpa Wrote: 
> atlslim tried bandwidth with smaller values - however I think you could
> also try with large ones as well.

bryan - tested a -bandwidth value of 20Mbits this am - same RDT error


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

Interesting to know the the bandwidth parameter also affect Linux
installations.

I think the stuttering is a known bug if you are streaming in FLAC to
SB.  I get it on my system and if you stream MP3 it will goes away. 

I think the buffer is always low on broadcast because the BBC server
will only send fragments at a time which are not enough to fill SB
buffer.

atlslim tried bandwidth with smaller values - however I think you could
also try with large ones as well.

Interesting two "Listen Again" stopping problems with different
symptoms depending on OS - look like to be the same problem. I wonder
if I can provoke on my system.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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I've removed the -bandwidth parameter from the config file & tried
again.

It played all the way though PM (1 hour) with no problems! This is the
first time I've ever been able to play any "listen again" program
longer than about 20 minutes without problems.

This does seem to have a side effect though. The squeezebox display is
very "stuttering" in updating the visualisation & time when it is
playing this. It seems to only manage to refresh the display about
every second or so. The mplayer info update was also very sporadic.

Also, the squeezebox buffer seemed to be permanently almmost empty
(<10) while playing.

Still - seems like an improvement!

I guess the next thing is to put -bandwidth back in with different
values.

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

Mplayer behaved as I feared - it looks like there really is a signal 13
coming from somewhere.

The configure switch "--enable-debug=3" builds in debug info so that
Mplayer can be debugged or give a trace-back if it crashes but signal
isn't really a crash so I don't think it will help. 

Similarly "--enable-crash-debug" will only be useful if you can get
Mplayer to crash on a command line.

I think some of Mplayer needs to be modified to get more info to
determine the "write" call that is failing.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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bpa Wrote: 
> Since you have built your own system - can you try the  
> "--disable-sighandler" option to Mplayer configure and then rebuild -
> don't forget to do a "make distclean" first.  This should disable the
> signal 13 handler - it would be interesting to see what happens then !
> 
> I'll have a look at the enable_cache module to see what is happening.

I hope I understood this correctly... I did the following:

make distclean
./configure --disable-sighandler
make
make install

This time I didn't get any error message at all. The streaming stopped
& my log just froze at this point:


Code:

Streaming: Launching /usr/local/bin/mplayer -vc null -vo null -bandwidth 
1000 -cache 128 -af volume=0,resample=44100:0:1,channels=2 -ao 
pcm:nowaveheader:file=/dev/fd/3 rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  MPlayer 1.0pre8-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
  CPU: VIA Nehemiah (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 1)
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
  Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE
  
  Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
  Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system 
startup scripts.
  
  Playing rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra.
  STREAM_RTSP, URL: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: rmv8.bbc.net.uk
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server rmv8.bbc.net.uk[212.58.224.64]: 554...
  librtsp: server responds: '$'
  Cache size set to 128 KBytes
  Cache fill: 18.75% (24576 bytes)
  REAL file format detected.
  Stream description: audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio logical stream
  Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio
  Clip info:
  name: PM Saturday
  author: BBC Radio 4
  copyright: (C) British Broadcasting Corporation 2006
  ==
  Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
  AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 44.1 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 5512->176400)
  Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder)
  ==
  [AO PCM] File: /dev/fd/3 (RAW PCM)
  PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
  [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast
  [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
  AO: [pcm] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
  Video: no video
  Starting playback...
  A: 854.5 (14:14.4) of 1800.0 (30:00.0)  3.7% 4%
  




Are there any useful debug flags I can turn on to get more info ...?

Thanks for the help so far!


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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When the pipe from Mplayer to Slimserver is closed Mplayer produces this
error

Code:


  MPlayer interrupted by signal 13 in module: play_audio
  


Your error comes from module: enable_cache which is a child process to
read from network and store data in shared memory cache. The main
Mplayer process then reads the cache. 

AFAICT there are no pipes used in this and hence should be no Signal 13
unless possibly sent by another process.  The mplayer code indicates
that some GUI managers send signal 13 which is why this handler was
implemented.  This could be a red herring.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

Mplayer on Linux is very easy to build and having your own build usually
fixes odd problems.  

The Mplayer maintainers do very little in the way of fixing bugs unless
it is very reproducible on other systems. At the moment it is really
only on your system.

Since you have built your own system - can you try the  
"--disable-sighandler" option to Mplayer configure and then rebuild -
don't forget to do a "make distclean" first.  This should disable the
signal 13 handler - it would be interesting to see what happens then !

I'll have a look at the enable_cache module to see what is happening.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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Triode Wrote: 
> I think you would be better off building your own mplayer for your
> hardware.

Well, I've just done my first ever build from source on Linux! It was a
great deal easier than I expected...

Unfortunately the version I built bombs out earlier (12:39) than the
pre-built one had done for me...


Code:

MPlayer 1.0pre8-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
  CPU: VIA Nehemiah (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 1)
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
  Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE
  
  Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
  Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system 
startup scripts.
  
  Playing rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra.
  STREAM_RTSP, URL: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: rmv8.bbc.net.uk
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server rmv8.bbc.net.uk[212.58.224.133]: 554...
  Cache size set to 128 KBytes
  Cache fill: 18.75% (24576 bytes)
  REAL file format detected.
  Stream description: audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio logical stream
  Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio
  Clip info:
  name: PM Saturday
  author: BBC Radio 4
  copyright: (C) British Broadcasting Corporation 2006
  ==
  Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
  AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 44.1 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 5512->176400)
  Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder)
  ==
  [AO PCM] File: /dev/fd/3 (RAW PCM)
  PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
  [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast
  [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
  AO: [pcm] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
  Video: no video
  Starting playback...
  A: 750.5 (12:30.4) of 1800.0 (30:00.0)  3.7% 32%
  
  MPlayer interrupted by signal 13 in module: enable_cache
  - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
  It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
  gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
  DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
  won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
  A: 759.8 (12:39.7) of 1800.0 (30:00.0)  3.7% 0%
  



Maybe I should submit a bug report to the mplayer site?

Cheers,

Richard


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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SadGamerGeek Wrote: 
> > 
Code:

  >   > MPlayer interrupted by signal 13 in module: enable_cache
  > - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
  > It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
  > gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
  > DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
  > won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible 
bug.

> > 
Doesn't look very health.  It indicates the problem is with mplayer and
probably with the build you are running not liking your hardware.  I
think you would be better off building your own mplayer for your
hardware.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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bpa Wrote: 
> What format are you streaming BBC to the SB3 - Flac, WAV or MP3 ?

Squeezebox reports it as FLAC. I haven't made any config changes to
that, so I assume it is the default.

bpa Wrote: 
> Can you repeat the run with d_source flag set. Hopefully this will
> provide info on why stream was stopped.

Done that now.

Unfortunately I'm not sure it helps:


Code:

Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
  Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system 
startup scripts.
  
  Playing rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra.
  STREAM_RTSP, URL: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: rmv8.bbc.net.uk
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server rmv8.bbc.net.uk[212.58.224.132]: 554...
  librtsp: server responds: '$'
  Cache size set to 128 KBytes
  Cache fill: 12.50% (16384 bytes)
  REAL file format detected.
  Stream description: audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio logical stream
  Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio
  Clip info:
  name: PM Saturday
  author: BBC Radio 4
  copyright: (C) British Broadcasting Corporation 2006
  ==
  Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
  AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 44.1 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 5512->176400)
  Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder)
  ==
  [AO PCM] File: /dev/fd/3 (RAW PCM)
  PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
  [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast
  [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
  AO: [pcm] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
  Video: no video
  Starting playback...
  2006-07-23 18:39:29.5792 Got a track starting event
  2006-07-23 18:39:29.5798 Song 0 has now started playing
  2006-07-23 18:39:29.5813 Song queue is now 0
  2006-07-23 18:39:41.3409 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  
  (about 80 lines like the one above)
  
  2006-07-23 18:58:53.0015 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  A:1214.9 (20:14.8) of 1800.0 (30:00.0)  3.8% 35%
  
  MPlayer interrupted by signal 13 in module: enable_cache
  - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
  It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
  gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
  DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
  won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
  2006-07-23 18:59:23.2859 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  2006-07-23 18:59:23.2873 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  2006-07-23 18:59:53.6089 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  2006-07-23 18:59:53.6102 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  2006-07-23 19:00:23.9052 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  2006-07-23 19:00:23.9064 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  2006-07-23 19:00:54.1950 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  2006-07-23 19:00:54.1962 Setting maxBitRate for Kitchen to: 0
  



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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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The RTC error is not significant - if you want add a -nortc to the
mplayer command line to get rid of it.

Signal 13 handler (i.e. crash report and tidy up) was introduced at the
end of January. So for many people it is part of pre8 as they would have
last made Mplayer with the official "Garbled audio" fix which was mid
Jan or earlier if it was a pre-built RPM.

Signal 13 is "broken pipe" error.  The only pipe is from Mplayer to
Flac/Lame or Slimserver.  This means Flac, Lame or Slimserver have not
just stopped reading from Mplayer but also closed the pipe.  

What format are you streaming BBC to the SB3 - Flac, WAV or MP3 ?

Can you repeat the run with d_source flag set. Hopefully this will
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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

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bpa Wrote: 
> SadGamerGeek,
> I think you mis-understood - run Slimserver from a command line not
> Mplayer.  The /dev/fd/3 should be in the standard AlienBBC
> slimserver-convert.conf  file.

I certainly did misunderstand! Thanks for pointing that out!

I have now run Slimserver from the command line, edited the config file
to removed the -really-quiet tag, then selected the same PM show. It
failed at 23:41. Here's the last part of the log:
Code:

Streaming: Launching mplayer -vc null -vo null -bandwidth 1000 -cache 
128 -af volume=0,resample=44100:0:1,channels=2 -ao 
pcm:nowaveheader:file=/dev/fd/3 rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  MPlayer 1.0pre8-Fedora-GS-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
  CPU: VIA Nehemiah (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 1)
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
  Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
  
  
  Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
  Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system 
startup scripts.
  
  Playing rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra.
  STREAM_RTSP, URL: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: rmv8.bbc.net.uk
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server rmv8.bbc.net.uk[212.58.224.53]: 554...
  librtsp: server responds: '$'
  Cache size set to 128 KBytes
  Cache fill: 12.50% (16384 bytes)
  REAL file format detected.
  Stream description: audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio logical stream
  Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio
  Clip info:
  name: PM Saturday
  author: BBC Radio 4
  copyright: (C) British Broadcasting Corporation 2006
  ==
  Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
  AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 44.1 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 5512->176400)
  Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder)
  ==
  [AO PCM] File: /dev/fd/3 (RAW PCM)
  PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
  [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast
  [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
  AO: [pcm] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
  Video: no video
  Starting playback...
  A:1411.8 (23:31.7) of 1800.0 (30:00.0)  3.6% 35%
  
  MPlayer interrupted by signal 13 in module: enable_cache
  - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
  It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
  gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
  DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
  won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
  A:1421.1 (23:41.0) of 1800.0 (30:00.0)  3.6% 3%
  



Could the "Linux RTC init error" be significant?

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

Trevtu,
Altering RWIN cures a problem - did you ever find out what the
underlying problem was - timeouts ? lost packet ? connection reset ? It
is possible the Mplayer cache is too big and so Windows times-out the
TCP connections before contents of buffer have been played and hence
not acked.

AFAIK Altering RWIN is not as easy on Linux systems and rarely done on
Linux.  


SadGamerGeek,
I think you mis-understood - run Slimserver from a command line not
Mplayer.  The /dev/fd/3 should be in the standard AlienBBC
slimserver-convert.conf  file.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[SadGamerGeek]

bpa Wrote: 
> The fact that it played through indicates that it is not the content
> that is stopping Mplayer but somehow the interaction with Slimserver is
> causing the problem.
> 
> Now can you run slimserver from a command prompt and leave
> file=/dev/fd/3. Omit the really-quiet and you'll see the mplayer
> message on the terminal window as well as any slimserver log messages.

Ah - I should have said... I did try leaving the /dev/fd/3, but it
fails immediately:


Code:

mplayer  -vc null -vo null -bandwidth 1000 -cache 128 -af 
volume=0,resample=44100:0:1,channels=2 -ao pcm:nowaveheader:file=/dev/fd/3 
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  MPlayer 1.0pre8-Fedora-GS-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
  CPU: VIA Nehemiah (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 1)
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
  Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
  
  
  
  Playing rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra.
  STREAM_RTSP, URL: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: rmv8.bbc.net.uk
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server rmv8.bbc.net.uk[212.58.224.52]: 554...
  librtsp: server responds: '$'
  Cache size set to 128 KBytes
  Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)
  REAL file format detected.
  Stream description: audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio logical stream
  Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio
  Clip info:
  name: PM Saturday
  author: BBC Radio 4
  copyright: (C) British Broadcasting Corporation 2006
  ==
  Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
  AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 44.1 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 5512->176400)
  Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder)
  ==
  [AO PCM] File: /dev/fd/3 (RAW PCM)
  PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
  [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast
  [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
  [AO PCM] Failed to open /dev/fd/3 for writing!
  Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
  Audio: no sound
  Video: no video
  
  
  Exiting... (End of file)
  



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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[trevtu]

I had this problem with the 'Listen Again' streams after upgrading my
internet connection to ADSL MAX, live streams were ok. I tried various
versions of mplayer, to no avail, the stream just kept cutting out
around every 5 min(Listening to the same program with Real Player never
cut out).

The only thing that I had changed when switching over to ADSL MAX was
Windows XP's RWIN setting, in order to optimise my download speed. I
had increased this to 260912. As an experiment I reduced this by half
to 130456, rebooted and tested again, I now found that mplayer would
hold the stream for around 20min's before once again it would cut out.
AS this appeared to be working I reduced my RWIN to 99260  and
retested, this time it ran through the whole program with no cutouts. 

Since then I have listened to many programs and my system has never
once cut out again.

Trevor.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[Ian Whalley]

>>4. Is is reproducible on your system e.g. if you play the
>>same PM program at different times of the day - does the
>>crash happen at exactly the same time ?
>I will do some experiments on this and let you know.

I just played "The Now Show" from Radio 4 Listen Again three
times, and it stopped at 21:20, 16:37, and 17:29.  So, at
least for me, it does not stop at the same time for the same
stream each time.

>>3. Output from the console when "stop" happens. There can
>>be many reasons why Mplayer will stop and the console
>>output usually gives a hint - for example an Mplayer crash,
>>network error (e.g. RDT error as seen by others) , network
>>congestion or EOF on the stream ?

I don't see any output on the console, so presumably it's
somewhere else.  Do you have suggestions as to how to
capture it (which --d_ option will get it?).

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[Ian Whalley]

>1. Spec of your systems h/w, s/w & OS - - pre8 is a lot
>bigger and I think processor hungry in some instances.

AMD Athlon 2600+, 1GB RAM, Fedora Core 5.

Whilst this isn't the fastest machine in the world, mplayer
never uses more than 4% CPU when invoked by slimserver.


>2. Did you build Mplayer or use a pre-built RPM. If it is
>pre-built where did you get it ?

I got mine from .

Here's the header when one runs it:
  MPlayer 1.0pre8-Fedora-GS-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
  CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ (Family: 6, Model: 10, Stepping: 0)
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
  Compiled with runtime CPU detection.


>3. Output from the console when "stop" happens. There can
>be many reasons why Mplayer will stop and the console
>output usually gives a hint - for example an Mplayer crash,
>network error (e.g. RDT error as seen by others) , network
>congestion or EOF on the stream ?
>4. Is is reproducible on your system e.g. if you play the
>same PM program at different times of the day - does the
>crash happen at exactly the same time ?

I will do some experiments on this and let you know.

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

The upper limit of playback speed of any non-live stream is governed by
the how fast the data can be taken from Mplayer.  In your case it is
going to a file which will be faster than the network so your network
download would be limiting factor.

The fact that it played through indicates that it is not the content
that is stopping Mplayer but somehow the interaction with Slimserver is
causing the problem.

Now can you run slimserver from a command prompt and leave
file=/dev/fd/3. Omit the really-quiet and you'll see the mplayer
message on the terminal window as well as any slimserver log messages.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[SadGamerGeek]

Thanks for the info.

I replaced file=/dev/fd/3 with a /tmp/ file and removed the
-really-quiet tag.

I've now run PM and the Archers Omnibus a few times, and I can't seem
to get it to freeze

Here's an example:

Code:

 mplayer  -vc null -vo null -bandwidth 1000 -cache 128 -af 
volume=0,resample=44100:0:1,channels=2 -ao pcm:nowaveheader:file=/tmp/rh 
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/archers/archers_omnibus.ra
  MPlayer 1.0pre8-Fedora-GS-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
  CPU: VIA Nehemiah (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 1)
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
  Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
  
  
  
  Playing rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/archers/archers_omnibus.ra.
  STREAM_RTSP, URL: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/archers/archers_omnibus.ra
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: rmv8.bbc.net.uk
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server rmv8.bbc.net.uk[212.58.224.57]: 554...
  librtsp: server responds: '$'
  Cache size set to 128 KBytes
  Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)
  REAL file format detected.
  Stream description: audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio logical stream
  Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio
  Clip info:
  name: Archers Omnibus
  author: BBC Radio 4
  copyright: (C) British Broadcasting Corporation 2006
  ==
  Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
  AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 44.1 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 5512->176400)
  Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder)
  ==
  [AO PCM] File: /tmp/rh (RAW PCM)
  PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
  [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast
  [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
  AO: [pcm] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
  Video: no video
  Starting playback...
  Stream EOF detected1) of 4560.0 ( 1:16:00.0)  4.1% 31%
  A:4558.5 ( 1:15:58.5) of 4560.0 ( 1:16:00.0)  4.1% 0%
  
  Exiting... (End of file)
  



I did notice one or two pauses - not sure if they're significant. I
didn't realise that RealAudio streams were capable of being played
quite so fast though!

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[SadGamerGeek]

bpa Wrote: 
> 
> 1. Does this problem happen when you run Mplayer standalone ? use
> d_source to find the URL for the Listen Again PM - Sat.
> 
> 2. You will get Mplayer error message on the Terminal window  when
> slimserver is run from a shell / command prompt.  The mplayer message
> will not appear in Slimserver log.

The normal slimserver.log shows me the PM URL, so I tried running
mplayer on the command line as it shows in the log, but without the
-really-quiet flag. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to know where to send
the sound:


Code:

mplayer  -vc null -vo null -bandwidth 1000 -cache 128 -af 
volume=0,resample=44100:0:1,channels=2 -ao pcm:nowaveheader:file=/dev/fd/3 
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  MPlayer 1.0pre8-Fedora-GS-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
  CPU: VIA Nehemiah (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 1)
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
  Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
  
  
  
  Playing rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra.
  STREAM_RTSP, URL: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/pm/pm_sat.ra
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: rmv8.bbc.net.uk
  Resolving rmv8.bbc.net.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server rmv8.bbc.net.uk[212.58.224.141]: 554...
  librtsp: server responds: '$'
  Cache size set to 128 KBytes
  Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)
  REAL file format detected.
  Stream description: audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio logical stream
  Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio
  Clip info:
  name: PM Saturday
  author: BBC Radio 4
  copyright: (C) British Broadcasting Corporation 2006
  ==
  Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
  AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 44.1 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 5512->176400)
  Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder)
  ==
  [AO PCM] File: /dev/fd/3 (RAW PCM)
  PCM: Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
  [AO PCM] Info: Faster dumping is achieved with -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:fast
  [AO PCM] Info: To write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
  [AO PCM] Failed to open /dev/fd/3 for writing!
  Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
  Audio: no sound
  Video: no video
  
  
  Exiting... (End of file)
  




I've neen searching through the mplayer man pages for ideas but,
haven't had much luck. Am I missing something obvious?

Cheers,

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

Although Mplayer detects the right CPU, in some parts of the code it
misbehaves and uses instructions not available in older/lower power
CPU.  An own built Mplayer generally avoids this possibility. This is
very rare but if this or similar bug is the problem then it will appear
as an Mplayer crash. So ideally see why Mplayer stops.

1. Does this problem happen when you run Mplayer standalone ? use
d_source to find the URL for the Listen Again PM - Sat.

2. You will get Mplayer error message on the Terminal window  when
slimserver is run from a shell / command prompt.  The mplayer message
will not appear in Slimserver log.


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[SadGamerGeek]

Thanks for the response.

bpa Wrote: 
> 1. Spec of your systems h/w, s/w & OS - - pre8 is a lot bigger and I
> think processor hungry in some instances.
Via Epia M1000 board with 1Ghz C3 processor (Mplayer detects this
correctly). 512MB RAM. Software is Linux - Fedora FC5, with no
Xwindows, and no software or services that are not directly required
for SS/Alien. When using Alien/mplayer to stream "listen again" stuff
my CPU usage hovers at around 9-13%

> 2. Did you build Mplayer or use a pre-built RPM.  If it is pre-built
> where did you get it ?
I used a pre-built RPM. I'm afraid I can't remember where I got it
from! 

> 3. Output from the console when "stop" happens.  There can be many
> reasons why Mplayer will stop and the console output usually gives a
> hint - for example an Mplayer crash, network error (e.g. RDT error as
> seen by others) , network congestion or EOF on the stream ?
Sorry - not sure what you mean by this. I posted the log output above
(it always fails with the message above "mplayer: could not connect to
socket","mplayer: No such file or directory"). Should I be looking for
extra output somewhere else? Are there some suitable debug switches, or
a way I can get extra debug info out of mplayer?

> 4. Is is reproducible on your system e.g. if you play the same PM
> program at different times of the day - does the crash happen at
> exactly the same time ?
I can reproduce the crash, but it doesn't crash at the same point each
time. I've tried playing the latest PM from the beginning three times
this morning. They crashed at 17:48, 24:16 and 22:11.


> The Mplayer pre7 tar ball is available from MplayerHQ site
> (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre7.tar.bz2 ) so
> you can build your version of Mplayer.  Although you will have add my
> patch to listen to Live BBC.  Also startup for Listen Again will take
> 15-20 secs.

OK, thanks for that.


Cheers,

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[bpa]

Without more information, it is hard to reproduce this "stopping"
problem or even off advice.  Many people are using pre8 with no problem
on Windows and Linux for programs longer than 25 mins. I have tested
mine (pre8 SS 6.3 on SuSe 10.1) on PM program and it played Sat
(30mins) until the end.

1. Spec of your systems h/w, s/w & OS - - pre8 is a lot bigger and I
think processor hungry in some instances.
2. Did you build Mplayer or use a pre-built RPM.  If it is pre-built
where did you get it ?
3. Output from the console when "stop" happens.  There can be many
reasons why Mplayer will stop and the console output usually gives a
hint - for example an Mplayer crash, network error (e.g. RDT error as
seen by others) , network congestion or EOF on the stream  ?
4. Is is reproducible on your system e.g. if you play the same PM
program at different times of the day - does the crash happen at
exactly the same time ?

The Mplayer pre7 tar ball is available from MplayerHQ site
(http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre7.tar.bz2 ) so
you can build your version of Mplayer.  Although you will have add my
patch to listen to Live BBC.  Also startup for Listen Again will take
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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[Ian Whalley]

>At least I'm not alone! It's happened with today's PM again
>at 26 minutes and 50 minutes.
>It's interesting that (for me), the problems seems to
>happen after 20-25 minutes of streaming..

I'm pretty sure that this is an mplayer pre8 problem.
Unfortunately, I don't have, and haven't yet found, pre7
RPMs for Fedora Core 5, so I can't go back to that level to
verify this.

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[SadGamerGeek]

At least I'm not alone! It's happened with today's PM again at 26
minutes and 50 minutes.

It's interesting that (for me), the problems seems to happen after
20-25 minutes of streaming..


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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Re: AlienBBC - plays for a while then stops

[Ian Whalley]

>I've been having some problems with streaming BBC listen
>again programs. For instance, when playing "PM" today, it
>stopped at 23:13 and 39:50. When this happens I can get it
>going again by pressing play and fast forwarding, but I'd
>like to get to the bottom of the problem.

I see this same problem every day -- for me, "The World
Tonight" (played from Listen Again) typically stops between
10 and 20 minutes in.

Am running 6.3.0, AlienBBC 1.05, and mplayer:
  MPlayer 1.0pre8-Fedora-GS-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team

I have not had chance yet to turn on more logging and try to
capture a trace.

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