Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
Cheers bpa. The Listen by Genre is exactly what I have created in my favourites! The search is very useful too. But the best thing is it's made me aware of what I can create in the BBC menus. Thanks. If I come across the right person or can get access to a right person in the BBC I might attempt to see if the organisation would be interested in providing a useful menu structure for the use of third party players like the SB3. It can't be hard for them can it? Or is there some factor I'm not aware of or am missing? I don't suppose by any small chance you might at some time have sketched out the top levels of a proposed useful BBC radio menu? MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
bpa;271092 Wrote: Basically the AlienBBC menus are a copy of the BBC web page menus because they are built on the fly. Thanks for this. Have you seen the Reciva BBC menus? It'd be interesting to see how they were arranged. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
I haven't seen the Reciva menu but from the Reciva posting I've read they are created centrally and seem to be updated about once a day. They are using a similar process of web walking and I guess looking for text heading to start their menus. However every so often bits of the menu fall off as a result of unexpected web layout changes and typically takes 1-2 days before the menus are accessible to users again. So this method requires staff to daily check and as necessary fix the problem. Reciva have staff to maintain the whole Reciva web site 24x7 and ensure if URLs of station change that they are updated, answer user requests to add URLs and presumably update the BBC menus as their USP is RealAudio support BBC Listen Again. A year ago I did a test and wrote a program to walk the complete BBC website to get an index to all programs so that a user could search for a program name. It generated a large amount of traffic and to do this daily would require permission from BBC but also continuous checking maintenance as every so often few days I had to change the code to ensure all menus were found. I didn't see the benefits outweighting the effort to maintain. I now have added the Search facility to AlienBBC and it gives me enough searching for my needs. There is an undocumented tweak which enables me to have preprogrammed searches so for example, I can have a menu of all shows On Radio 4 with the word comedy in Title or description. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
Triode;271096 Wrote: I suggest you raise an enhancement request for this and we can discuss with Michael how easy it will be to do with the new skin. Enhancement raised: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7236 Was intrigued by the line Access to bugs in the Ray product at the botom of the bug report. Is it new and what's does it mean? MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
As the Receive is taking off (and presumbly does not have the border line legality concerning mplayer?) I can't imagine it will be long before they pressure the BBC to produce an XML feed of their programmes so they don't have to continually manually check for consistency. Hopefully sooner rather than later and it is something AlienBBC can use. Or.. there must be someone from BBC management of technical department using a SlimDevices/Logitech product who will be aware of the problem organising the Listen Again menus. Or perhaps there are even current AlienBBC users who have the correct contacts within the organisation? I live in hope. The new SC7 favourites functionality is enabling me to sort it out in my own way though. I am beginning to create my own personalised player navigation system under favourites (which is why fully implemented drag and drop would be very handy!). That undocumented search tweak also sounds vey handy. Is it something I might be able to use (i.e. non-technical to implement)? MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
The tweak is an edit to the OPML file Alien/Addons/BBCAZAddon.opml. If you are using Windows edit with Wordpad. The following is edit file to add 3 entries to show entries with Book, Quiz and Comedy. It require deleting the type parameter and adding the lookfor. The code only looks for the first word just alpha chars and not case sensitive. I also editing the text part to reflect the change. Restart SC to pick up the new OPML - as a result of update the Search A-Z menu item will be bottom of AlienBBC menu. Code: outline text=Search Radio 4 A-Z URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml; type=search parser=Plugins::Alien::Addons::Radio4AZFilterParser/ outline text=Search Radio 4 Book URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml; lookfor=Book parser=Plugins::Alien::Addons::Radio4AZFilterParser/ outline text=Search Radio 4 Comedy URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml; lookfor=Comedy parser=Plugins::Alien::Addons::Radio4AZFilterParser/ outline text=Search Radio 4 Quiz URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml; lookfor=Quiz parser=Plugins::Alien::Addons::Radio4AZFilterParser/ outline text=Search Five Live A-Z URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes;type=search parser=Plugins::Alien::Addons::FiveLiveAZFilterParser/ outline text=Search 6 Music A-ZURL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows; type=search parser=Plugins::Alien::Addons::SixMusicAZFilterParser/ outline text=Search BBC 7 A-Z URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/programmes;type=search parser=Plugins::Alien::Addons::BBC7AZFilterParser/ You will be able to move these entries to other -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
The BBC have many similar menu to present similar information. Before I had the search I created an Addon for the Listen by Genre menu on BBC Radio front. I couldn't find these by navigating the Listen Again menus. IMO They still have too many entries to browse easily on SB - hence the search. Unzip the attached file and put the BBCListenByGenre.opml file into the AlienAddons and then restart Slimservers. You will now have a BBC Listen by Genre menu. +---+ |Filename: BBCListenByGenre.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4341| +---+ -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
I'm afraid this still doesn't work for me (with latest nightly). It might be best if I describe exactly what I am doing. I am creating a folder in my favourites called BBC Radio (by category). I then go and add each of the categories I want from Home AlienBBC BBC Listen Again to my favourites using the heart burron on the item. Unfortunately it is not possible to add them directly into my new folder or drag and drop the items onto the folder, so I then either go to the favourites.opml and change the position of the new favourites so they appear under my folder or copy and paste the favourite URLs using the web interface into the correct position (i.e. recreate the favourites in the correct place). I've tried adding them as folder and also as direct links under my new folder. Neither appears to work. SC7 tries to play the URL (example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/musicdoc_promo.shtml). As an addition to this it would be really handy to be able to drag and drop a newly created favourite on to a favourite folder via the web interface. It would also be useful to be able to chose to create a favourite directly in a chosen folder when clicking the heart button for any item (but I imagine this is a lot more fiddly to implement). I hope this all makes sense. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
This would bee confirming but I think what is happening is Favorites is saving a menu item as an URL but not all BBC URLs are playable or OPML - they need a special parser and this parameter is being lost or perhaps it doesn't work when URL is played outside of AlienBBC menu. I don't think all the functionality you want can be provided but perhaps some of it could be. Could you accept that these categories be in a top level of AlienBBC rather than Favorites ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
But the Listen Again categories *do* work correctly if I add them to favourites. It's just that they appear to stop working if I then move them into a favourites folder of my own making. Try this: Navigate to Home AlienBBC BBC Listen Again. Add the category Comedy to your favourites using the favourite heart icon. Now go to favourites and click on the new Comedy item. You should be returned with a list of all the programmes under Comedy, and each one playable. So far so good. Now make a favourites folder called BBC Listen Again (by category) and move the new Comedy item to it (you can do this by looking at the URL in the web interface and manually recreating it in the new folder, or better still turn off SlimCenter and directly edit the OPML file... where you can see that the link code appears includes some sort of extra code). When your restart SlimServer and use favourites via the web interface you should find (mysteriously) that the the Comedy link doe now not return a listing of programmes but has become an (unplayable) item. Now the second thing you appear to infer from your post that the AlienBBC menus are configurable. If this is the case is it possible to lay them out more sensibly than they are now? I was under the impression that the current (rather strange) menu system was governed by the BBC. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
So you should be able to do the following (just worked for me), all from the web interface 1) navigate to an alien menu you like and press heart to add to favorites 2) go to favorites and select edit to move into editor mode (notice the alien menu you added should be at the root level) 3) select add new folder if you want to create a new folder 4) select the alien menu you added and delete it (this is really cut but the buttons is a cross for delete) 5) move into the new folder you added and select insert deleted this will paste the menu level you want into this folder Feedback on the UI would be appreciated (for post 7.0), but we should be able to store menu levels with the parser defination and then cut and past them inside favorites. If you manually edit the opml you would need to include all the extra code for parsers etc so I definately recommend you do the above using the web editor itself. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
Basically the AlienBBC menus are a copy of the BBC web page menus because they are built on the fly. In each BBC radio web pages there are many href URLs - a number of entries most are programs/shows but some are links to other menus. I can't remember the exact mechanism but there is some text (e.g. class, id ) associated with the href and AlienBBC uses this text to know if the the URL is playaable or another menu. AlienBBC opml file sets up a number of start points and the relevant Parser. This means the whole menu structure is available and it is low maintenance and always up to date. The BBC is quite good at being consistent across web pages especially within a station but there are some differences at program level (e.g. previous episodes/broadcast) between Stations. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
bpa. If you have a moment can you let me know what it is that determines the BBC menus/navigation within AlienBBC? MV -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
Cheers. That worked. However the method is not intuitive or *normal*. Drag and drop would be much better and fits. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
ModelCitizen;271084 Wrote: However the method is not intuitive or *normal*. Drag and drop would be much better and fits. MC I suggest you raise an enhancement request for this and we can discuss with Michael how easy it will be to do with the new skin. The original favorites code was written before drag add drop was added and hence the cut/paste approach was the main way to move things round. Looks like we need to extend the drag and drop capability so that it is not needed for this type of editting. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
This should work exactly as you described.. The main reason for the new favorites is so I can have Comedy and Quizzes as a favorite! You should be able to add any menu level from alien to your favorites. When you do this and then navigate to your favorites you see the submenu and anything below it from Alien. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
Looks like I need to update Alien to allow this again - bear with us. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC - adding categories to SC7 favourites?
I hope this will be fixed in the next server nightly. This should allow you to add alien menu levels from the web interface to favorites. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43558 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
