Re: Why still obsolete Java install? thread v.2
Hi Marco, Sorry for this meanwhile, I am full time working on many targets at once. It was pbrowser on 4.3 release that gave me all this information: Only oldies javas were available. See below. Now I am trying 4.4 mp current. And pbrowser yes offers me the option to install the jdk-1.7.0.00b24p2 package. I am trying first to build the port, (I got an error, 2nd try now, wait till tomorrow to see). If an error again, I will try the jdk-1.7.0.00b24p2 package. Thanks for your post telling your comments. Anyway here are below some short answers to your past remarks: Marco Peereboom wrote: huh? yes huh. I have used java since the day it came out for OpenBSD and it works equally well today as it it did then. I am confused about what obsolete means to you. Obsolete to me is what I write in my post, read it and don't ask as I have already explained my experience, that is using old ... latest >> port seems jre-1.4.2p15, it requires 2004? (out)dated distfiles as >> *** j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip >> *** j2sdk-1_4_2-bin-scsl.zip Note: As per pbrowser. To use your words: java is buggy and unsafe, that is inherent to it. You should use something that isn't stuck on stupid if you don't like that. So what is your actual question? I dislike java arrogancy and buggyness, it recalls me MS style. You never know if you are running safe or if you have opened backdoors to your bedroom to java hackers. Please note that this is my feeling and opinion. BUT many software that we have to use at work is only written for java, or uses webstart remote apps servers system, etc. Oh and javascript != java; they aren't even on the same planet. Why do you mention them in the same email? I can (yet) distinguish an apple from a football balloon, thanks. I don't know how you can read about me confusing javascript with java. Anyway, javascript is evil. Most of its usually used features can be performed by other healthy means. It's dangerous, and people must know about this asap. Noscript Firefox addon (millions downloads, top awards) is #1 one because it address or makes this risks more under user control. You do know that gentoo has --funrolloops and -O3 speed right? I don't know gentoo (I'm debian) nor what you are talking about, I'm a newbie ex MS trying to deal with an OpenBSD Desktop project that never ends to born. Marco, thanks for your comments, I am happy to meet Java experts on OpenBSD, I will need many help next months about this. Mac. -- On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:07:06PM -0600, macintoshzoom wrote: On OpenBSD 4.3, to build Java to run, say, Jondos anonymizer, latest port seems jre-1.4.2p15, it requires 2004? (out)dated distfiles as *** j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip *** j2sdk-1_4_2-bin-scsl.zip .. Is this sane when everybody knows how buggy and unsafe is Java (see Secunia.com ) ? Can I go ahead for a top secure Java or may I have to forget Java on OpenBSD (by the moment)??? Lots of years playing with OpenBSD, and sometimes I still feel as the latest idiot on earth when trying to install Java: Obsolete, No port, no package, distfiles nearly impossible to find at sun.com sites, (try to search j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip at the searchbox from sun.com, no results), bsd-jdk14-patches-8.tar.gz from http://www.eyesbeyond.com requires to leave your fingerprints because it uses javascript, really, really an exasperating experience. Why not a simple script to install, opening a simple lynx browser w??hen required (license notifications and the like), as everyone (0S) else does (that fails also in the non redistributable trick), is this so difficult? And after all that shit, I am ending with an obsolete and buggy unsafe java, that I want to run ultrasecure software! Sorry guys, some days I hate OpenBSD. Cab anyone give me some consolation words? (or any tip to compile latest java)
Re: Why still obsolete Java install?
huh? I have used java since the day it came out for OpenBSD and it works equally well today as it it did then. I am confused about what obsolete means to you. To use your words: java is buggy and unsafe, that is inherent to it. You should use something that isn't stuck on stupid if you don't like that. So what is your actual question? Oh and javascript != java; they aren't even on the same planet. Why do you mention them in the same email? You do know that gentoo has --funrolloops and -O3 speed right? On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:07:06PM -0600, macintoshzoom wrote: > On OpenBSD 4.3, to build Java to run, say, Jondos anonymizer, latest > port seems jre-1.4.2p15, it requires 2004? (out)dated distfiles as > *** j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip > *** j2sdk-1_4_2-bin-scsl.zip > .. > > Is this sane when everybody knows how buggy and unsafe is Java (see > Secunia.com ) ? > > Can I go ahead for a top secure Java or may I have to forget Java on > OpenBSD (by the moment)??? > > Lots of years playing with OpenBSD, and sometimes I still feel as the > latest idiot on earth when trying to install Java: Obsolete, No port, no > package, distfiles nearly impossible to find at sun.com sites, (try to > search j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip at the searchbox from sun.com, no > results), bsd-jdk14-patches-8.tar.gz from http://www.eyesbeyond.com > requires to leave your fingerprints because it uses javascript, really, > really an exasperating experience. > Why not a simple script to install, opening a simple lynx browser w??hen > required (license notifications and the like), as everyone (0S) else > does (that fails also in the non redistributable trick), is this so > difficult? > > And after all that shit, I am ending with an obsolete and buggy unsafe > java, that I want to run ultrasecure software! > > Sorry guys, some days I hate OpenBSD. > > Cab anyone give me some consolation words? (or any tip to compile latest > java) >
Re: Why still obsolete Java install?
On 2008/07/07 13:07, macintoshzoom wrote: > On OpenBSD 4.3, to build Java to run, say, Jondos anonymizer, latest > port seems jre-1.4.2p15, it requires 2004? (out)dated distfiles as > *** j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip > *** j2sdk-1_4_2-bin-scsl.zip > .. huh? 4.3 has 1.5.0.14 and 1.6.0.03 (and 1.7.0b19; now that enough free code is available binary packages of 1.7 are provided for -current users and will be in 4.4 - no browser plugin yet though, AIUI it hasn't yet been freed). > Lots of years playing with OpenBSD, and sometimes I still feel as the > latest idiot on earth when trying to install Java: Obsolete, No port, Of course there are ports, they work well. Even if you don't count PLISTs, the files that make up the Java ports (patches, Makefiles etc) are more than *20,000* lines. > no package, distfiles nearly impossible to find at sun.com sites, This is hardly OpenBSD's fault... > results), bsd-jdk14-patches-8.tar.gz from http://www.eyesbeyond.com > requires to leave your fingerprints because it uses javascript, really, > really an exasperating experience. lynx http://www.eyesbeyond.com/freebsddom/java/jdk14.html D)ownload, or C)ancel
Re: Why still obsolete Java install?
Yeah, Install a snapshot and put in a newer jdk. I'm using 1.7 with netbeans. Don't hate the OpenBSD, Love the OpenBSD. Brandon On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, macintoshzoom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On OpenBSD 4.3, to build Java to run, say, Jondos anonymizer, latest > port seems jre-1.4.2p15, it requires 2004? (out)dated distfiles as > *** j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip > *** j2sdk-1_4_2-bin-scsl.zip > .. > > Is this sane when everybody knows how buggy and unsafe is Java (see > Secunia.com ) ? > > Can I go ahead for a top secure Java or may I have to forget Java on > OpenBSD (by the moment)??? > > Lots of years playing with OpenBSD, and sometimes I still feel as the > latest idiot on earth when trying to install Java: Obsolete, No port, no > package, distfiles nearly impossible to find at sun.com sites, (try to > search j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip at the searchbox from sun.com, no > results), bsd-jdk14-patches-8.tar.gz from http://www.eyesbeyond.com > requires to leave your fingerprints because it uses javascript, really, > really an exasperating experience. > Why not a simple script to install, opening a simple lynx browser w¡hen > required (license notifications and the like), as everyone (0S) else > does (that fails also in the non redistributable trick), is this so > difficult? > > And after all that shit, I am ending with an obsolete and buggy unsafe > java, that I want to run ultrasecure software! > > Sorry guys, some days I hate OpenBSD. > > Cab anyone give me some consolation words? (or any tip to compile latest > java) > >
Why still obsolete Java install?
On OpenBSD 4.3, to build Java to run, say, Jondos anonymizer, latest port seems jre-1.4.2p15, it requires 2004? (out)dated distfiles as *** j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip *** j2sdk-1_4_2-bin-scsl.zip .. Is this sane when everybody knows how buggy and unsafe is Java (see Secunia.com ) ? Can I go ahead for a top secure Java or may I have to forget Java on OpenBSD (by the moment)??? Lots of years playing with OpenBSD, and sometimes I still feel as the latest idiot on earth when trying to install Java: Obsolete, No port, no package, distfiles nearly impossible to find at sun.com sites, (try to search j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip at the searchbox from sun.com, no results), bsd-jdk14-patches-8.tar.gz from http://www.eyesbeyond.com requires to leave your fingerprints because it uses javascript, really, really an exasperating experience. Why not a simple script to install, opening a simple lynx browser w¡hen required (license notifications and the like), as everyone (0S) else does (that fails also in the non redistributable trick), is this so difficult? And after all that shit, I am ending with an obsolete and buggy unsafe java, that I want to run ultrasecure software! Sorry guys, some days I hate OpenBSD. Cab anyone give me some consolation words? (or any tip to compile latest java)
