Re: opera 10 beta with unite build 4458
another week, another build. -f -- programmers don't repeat themselves, they loop. opera10.tgz Description: application/tar-gz
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
Hi, On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 06:13:13PM -0400, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: You are probably right there, but on the other hand, someone suggested that perhaps getting Opera distributed by default with the Operating System would be enough motivation for them to make a port of it. I don't know. I think that both goals should be pursued, but I don't know how and in which order. I doubt that OpenBSD would replace Firefox with Opera on the CD-ROMs, but, hehe, I bet that would make Opera take notice. Maybe not? I have bugged Opera about this before, maybe of interest. And no, NDA's are not ideal, but could have perhaps atleast lead to a build. http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=272203 It just will not happen. I would reccommend putting efforts into some of the new webkit based browsers instead. Thanks -- Best Regards Edd Barrett (Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer) http://students.dec.bmth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
Aaron W. Hsu arcf...@sacrideo.us wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:39:58 -0400, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: i wonder how many people use opera on openbsd... I wonder how many people would use it if there were a native build with a proper license that would permit redistribution of the packages and such on CD-ROM. Would these packages be distributed with the CDs? Aaron W. Hsu What are you talking about? Opera is a proprietary close source software. It would take a lot more than change of license for Opera to be available on CD. It has to be Open Source project. My crystal ball is telling me Opera is not going open source any time soon. I would be happy to sign your petition for the native build of Opera for OpenBSD. I do fell little bit claustrophobic having only choice of Firefox and Konqueror. I hope by 1st of November Midori gets better but WebKit is the most insecure of four search engines. I am also really curious how would native build work on bsd.mp kernel. Did anybody try to use tiny-proxy+Opera on bsd.mp? Does tiny-proxy solve the problem of locking? In my experience that seems to be the issue with bsd.mp and linux comp rather than with Opera per say. Is it possible to use native aspell with Opera? I didn't see the Linux version of aspell available among ports but installing Linux version of aspell shouldn't be too difficult. Cheers, Predrag
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
--- On Sat, 6/27/09, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: i wonder how many people use opera on openbsd... I use Opera more instances (xauth). I read it very sorry, that Linux compat and so Opera in this form has not future. Can i receive a little bit more technical reason behind this? I have not found other useable browser, just Opera. From that matter i tried 4440 and 4449 also. Port is good. Opera is broadly speaking works. Old RSS feed list is right, but with _old_ RSS messages I not thriven eighter with export/import, nor with copy mail/ directory. Thanks for the work.
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
On 2009/06/27 04:39, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 06:02:12PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell said that It would be nice to have Opera without the Linux baggage. Who would I nag at Opera for this to be accomplished? now before the release probably nobody :] last thing on their mind is to support more builds when they just finished with gcc2.95 as well. i'll be writing some people after the release is done. i wonder how many people use opera on openbsd... Fewer than the number of people who would use it if worked on amd64 and MP machines running OpenBSD. Last time I used Opera I quite liked it but I'm not going to switch browsers when I switch OS arch (e.g. between my i386 laptop and my main machine which runs amd64), I just don't see enough benefits to do this for a web browser. (textmaker/planmaker is a different story though :-) On 2009/06/27 02:40, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: I wonder how many people would use it if there were a native build with a proper license that would permit redistribution of the packages and such on CD-ROM. Would these packages be distributed with the CDs? Asking them to change license while also asking to provide binaries for another OS is far too much in one go. Besides, adding a new OS is just a technical and support issue, changing license is a very pervasive legal issue, often involving contracts with other companies etc. Usually a much more difficult thing to get changed. On 2009/06/27 03:16, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Aaron W. Hsu arcf...@sacrideo.us wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:39:58 -0400, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: i wonder how many people use opera on openbsd... I wonder how many people would use it if there were a native build with a proper license that would permit redistribution of the packages and such on CD-ROM. Would these packages be distributed with the CDs? Aaron W. Hsu What are you talking about? Opera is a proprietary close source software. It would take a lot more than change of license for Opera to be available on CD. It has to be Open Source project. It is up to the people building CDs to decide what they want to include. I think we may have some things in tools/ without source, though it's such a fiddle to find a working cdrom drive (I net-boot everything) that I can't check that easily. :-)
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
it's raining builds... build 4453 is here. i have kept the other build numbers in the makefile so it's easy to back if necessary. regarding the comments: opera is commercial software. there is no point in asking for a change of license or to go open source. if that is a showstopper for you, then opera is not for you. it is nobody's business telling others what license/development model they should use. hell, even their bug database isn't public. take it or leave it. yes, a native build would be nice, but with all the architectures openbsd supports i dont see it happening soon... i think the best case scenario would be opera-i386 only, if ever. there are freebsd builds, but there are no netbsd builds either -- maybe because the license explicitly forbids running opera on anything else than a pc... oh, btw the new line uses hunspell instead of aspell iirc. after they get back their lives after the release, i plan to write to the unix department to get their take on the matter. so why bother with opera at all? because i am on i386 most of the time. because even as a linux binay it beats the hell out of firefox 3.* (3.5 pending). because it's a brilliant piece of program for power users. where the 10 line will end up remains to be seen. opera has a history of rushed releases as well, and it might take until 10.50 to get a polished product like 9.64. -f -- i'm here to question all your answers. opera10.tgz Description: application/tar-gz
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
It would take a lot more than change of license for Opera to be available on CD. It has to be Open Source project. Where does it say that the packages on CD must only be open-source? I say so. Is that enough?
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:14:51 -0400, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I say so. Is that enough? Yep. -- Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. -- C. S. Lewis
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:00:48 -0400, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: opera is commercial software. there is no point in asking for a change of license or to go open source. I do not think it is unreasonable to ask and to let a company, which creates commercial software, to evaluate their licensing in order to make their products more attractive to consumers. I think that permitting distributions via packages and OpenBSD is not such a hard request, though there may be valid reasons for not allowing such. Asking them to go Open Source is another matter entirely. Sincerely, Aaron W. Hsu -- Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. -- C. S. Lewis
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
Hello Stuart, Thanks for your perspective. On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:39:51 -0400, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: Asking them to change license while also asking to provide binaries for another OS is far too much in one go. Besides, adding a new OS is just a technical and support issue, changing license is a very pervasive legal issue, often involving contracts with other companies etc. Usually a much more difficult thing to get changed. You are probably right there, but on the other hand, someone suggested that perhaps getting Opera distributed by default with the Operating System would be enough motivation for them to make a port of it. I don't know. I think that both goals should be pursued, but I don't know how and in which order. I doubt that OpenBSD would replace Firefox with Opera on the CD-ROMs, but, hehe, I bet that would make Opera take notice. Maybe not? Sincerely, Aaron W. Hsu -- Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. -- C. S. Lewis
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
hmm, on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 06:02:12PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell said that It would be nice to have Opera without the Linux baggage. Who would I nag at Opera for this to be accomplished? now before the release probably nobody :] last thing on their mind is to support more builds when they just finished with gcc2.95 as well. i'll be writing some people after the release is done. i wonder how many people use opera on openbsd... -f -- why do they call it a tv set when you only get one?
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
hmm, on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 06:53:14AM +0530, Amarendra Godbole said that Opera on smp locks-up, and this behavior seems to continue in v10 also. The archives has a lengthy discussion on this. have you tried using a local proxy like tinyproxy? -f -- oxymoron: american english.
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
It would be nice to have Opera without the Linux baggage. Who would I nag at Opera for this to be accomplished? Thanks, Dhu On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:12:48 +0200 frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hi there, the following is a (less then stellar) port of opera's 10b with unite. this port is _not_ an update for 9.64. it makes a separate package called opera10 (not opera-*) and installs everything mozilla style into /usr/local/opera10. it is possible to install it alongside 9.64. it does not install the system wide configs, the desktop file, the icons and the man page. it also has a modified startup script and automatically uses .opera10 as profile directory (as opposed to .opera) and leaves your other opera alone. if you want to move your prefs from 9.64, just copy them over. but some filenames/directories have changed, so beware (still, i have no problems running it with my 9.64 profile directory, but back it up, because downgrading is not so bump free) the point of this port is to let people play with unite and with the beta -- it is blindingly fast (esp with javascript heavy sites like gmail and facebook) -- i am not sending this so it gets committed. i have not tested the flash plugin and have no interest in it really. the only static version at the moment for linux is gcc4 compiled. if this is a step forward, remains to be seen. i hope there will be more choices for the final builds. start it with $ /usr/local/opera10/bin/opera have fun. -f -- synonym: a word you use when you can't spell the other.
opera 10 beta with unite
hi there, the following is a (less then stellar) port of opera's 10b with unite. this port is _not_ an update for 9.64. it makes a separate package called opera10 (not opera-*) and installs everything mozilla style into /usr/local/opera10. it is possible to install it alongside 9.64. it does not install the system wide configs, the desktop file, the icons and the man page. it also has a modified startup script and automatically uses .opera10 as profile directory (as opposed to .opera) and leaves your other opera alone. if you want to move your prefs from 9.64, just copy them over. but some filenames/directories have changed, so beware (still, i have no problems running it with my 9.64 profile directory, but back it up, because downgrading is not so bump free) the point of this port is to let people play with unite and with the beta -- it is blindingly fast (esp with javascript heavy sites like gmail and facebook) -- i am not sending this so it gets committed. i have not tested the flash plugin and have no interest in it really. the only static version at the moment for linux is gcc4 compiled. if this is a step forward, remains to be seen. i hope there will be more choices for the final builds. start it with $ /usr/local/opera10/bin/opera have fun. -f -- synonym: a word you use when you can't spell the other. opera10.tgz Description: application/tar-gz
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:12 AM, frantisek holopmin...@obiit.org wrote: hi there, the following is a (less then stellar) port of opera's 10b with unite. this port is _not_ an update for 9.64. it makes a separate package called opera10 (not opera-*) and installs everything mozilla style into /usr/local/opera10. it is possible to install it alongside 9.64. it does not install the system wide configs, the desktop file, the icons and the snip Port installs fine... same stupidity that opera 9 exibits on an smp machine. Tested on i386 only. Brandon
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
hmm, on Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:19:34PM -0500, Brandon Mercer said that Port installs fine... same stupidity that opera 9 exibits on an smp machine. Tested on i386 only. i am sorry, i dont use smp. what is that stupidity you are referring to? -f -- we must believe in free will. we have no choice.
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
hmm, on Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:12:48PM +0200, frantisek holop said that hi there, the following is a (less then stellar) port of opera's 10b with unite. build 4449, fresh from the owen. the only change with the port: the build number is included in the package name for easier identification. this can still coexist with 9.64 but not with the previous beta build of course. -f -- the worst form of failure is the failure to try. opera10.tgz Description: application/tar-gz
Re: opera 10 beta with unite
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:23 AM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:19:34PM -0500, Brandon Mercer said that Port installs fine... same stupidity that opera 9 exibits on an smp machine. Tested on i386 only. i am sorry, i dont use smp. what is that stupidity you are referring to? -f [...] Opera on smp locks-up, and this behavior seems to continue in v10 also. The archives has a lengthy discussion on this. -Amarendra
