RE: autoclip: Sparklehorse/Varnaline

1999-04-16 Thread Richard Haslop

What about Terry Allen?  Well, maybe not the part about Ronald Reagan.

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 More broadly, though, I look at surveys and see how the vast
majority 
 of North Americans believe they have a personal relationship with 
 Jesus and still admire Ronald Reagan - and no offense to any P2er
who 
 does, at least not right now - but what shocks me is that I don't
know 
 anybody who answers to those descriptions. 
 




Re: autoclip: Sparklehorse/Varnaline

1999-04-15 Thread Ndubb

Nice work Carl. Meanwhile, this line:

 "So do you have any idea what they sound like" 

reminds me of my predicament before seeing them in SF. We were actually in SF 
to do some in-law stuff, and thus, were sharing a rental with my sister in 
law and her mucho macho hubby, they who reside in Boise and wouldn't know 
nuttin about new music whatsoever. For them, it's HNC and Adult contemporary, 
period, and Jeff Foxworthy, of course. And when we told them we were going to 
see Sparklehorse -- who they proceeded to inadvertently refer to as the 
Sparkle Boys from then on -- they asked, "what do they sound like?" Well, 
they might as well have been asking me to explain the theory of relativity. I 
can't, and there was no way in hell I could even begin to describe a band to 
someone who has zero knowledge of the terminology and reference points. Think 
about it. To them, "Alt" means nothing, nor does "edgy," "punk," "twisted 
guitar pop," "a la Flaming Lips" ... none of it would have made sense to 
them. I was completely befuddled. "Well, um, it's, kinda folk, but really 
loud, kinda like Neil Young... the lead guy's REALLY weird... A mad scientist 
type." Ugh.

The moral of this story: I forget that my circle of friends -- physical ones 
or those in e-mail form -- are a smidgen of a smidgen of the population. The 
real world doesn't think the way we do.

Neal Weiss
np - Delphonic Sounds Today!

A good lesson.




Re: autoclip: Sparklehorse/Varnaline

1999-04-15 Thread cwilson

 Neal wrote re: his attempt to explain "the Sparkle Boys":
 The moral of this story: I forget that my circle of friends -- 
 physical ones or those in e-mail form -- are a smidgen of a smidgen 
 of the population. The real world doesn't think the way we do.
 
 Mm-hmm. This is my biggest misgiving about having anything to do with 
 journalism, at least for the mass audience a daily newspaper (even one 
 with intellectual pretensions, like the one I work at) implies. I love 
 writing about music, but I don't want to have to start from scratch 
 each time - and yet I do want to aid in popularizing things I love, at 
 least some part of my little brain wants to. So what reference is too 
 obscure? I wrote the Sparklehorse piece assuming, for instance, that 
 nobody would get the Vic Chesnutt remarks without some explanation, 
 that the Flaming Lips explanation would be caught by some but was 
 ignorable by most, and that people would know who Tom Waits and 
 Roberto Benigni were, and probably what Down By Law is. That last 
 assumption seems seriously dubious, frankly - secretly, it 
 communicated that "if you don't know who Tom Waits is, go find that 
 out before you worry about Sparklehorse." Likewise the beggarly 
 description of the Varnaline set as Velvets-to-Huskers, a dead 
 giveaway of lack of space and one that, again, 10 percent of readers 
 would grasp.
 
 On the other hand, it's nice to be able to provide some media material 
 for that 10 percent to read, since mostly they're ignored by all but 
 the hip-music press and forced to endure endless Celine Dion and 
 Shania Twain tripe. (This spoken from a Canadian perspective.)
 
 Not that I'm so smart myself - I still have a hell of a lot to learn 
 about mainstream music history, since I ignored it growing up. I often 
 think of going and taking a year in popular-music studies at a 
 university to really give myself the background in straight rock, jazz 
 and country that I have in more off-beat stuff.
 
 Still, music is one area where I do actually have friends who don't 
 know the same things I do. And find myself required to explain things, 
 which (Neal's right) is a good and humbling exercise. 
 
 More broadly, though, I look at surveys and see how the vast majority 
 of North Americans believe they have a personal relationship with 
 Jesus and still admire Ronald Reagan - and no offense to any P2er who 
 does, at least not right now - but what shocks me is that I don't know 
 anybody who answers to those descriptions. Like, not a single soul. In 
 a sense I'm happy to live that way, since it means I'm surrounded by 
 people with whom I have some common ground, even those who aren't my 
 friends - but on the other hand, I fear that I'm not really 
 participating in society as such. This wouldn't bother/frighten me if 
 I could make a living writing the strange creative stuff I do, where 
 being "outside" is expected - but I can't.
 
 Even putting pragmatics aside, I also do feel some pull of citizenship 
 and compassion to make a better attempt to grasp where Other People 
 are coming from.
 
 That's one of the reasons I'm feeling more attracted to both 
 traditional country music and contemporary Pop Muzik these days, both 
 things of The Real World, while simultaneously getting more and more 
 fascinated by free-improv and other Outside stuff, methinks: A 
 soundtrack for the schizo schematics of my mental landscape.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the story and the stuff-to-chew-on, Neal.
 
 Carl W.