Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
Marie on Beefheart... There is a difference between noise and music, right? CK: Actually, according to Zappa when recording those LPs, the point was to answer that question, "No." Well, I think they answered that question with a *yes*. There is a difference between noise and music. Beefheart falls on the noise side to these ears. marie Let's face it - Beefheart is now and always has been a "guy thang" A seventies male bonding, rite-of-passage grunt; an incomprehensible po' boys answer of an imitation of Frank Zappa imitating Lowell George in a fit of garbled humor as rage and longing and a testament to "if it's totally incomprehensible, then it must be good" theory of music journalism. Marie is right...AND she didn't have to say so by using profanity to get her point across (sorry, Lance - g ) Tera
Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
Marie on Beefheart... There is a difference between noise and music, right? one man's noise...
Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:18:42 -0400 vgs399 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, I think that was "eight octane" range g Actually, Van Vliet's stuff always went right over my head, sorry to say. My husband loves "Trout Mask Replica" to this day; still goes over my head though. I just put "Moonlight on Vermont" on a mixed tape and damn if it didn't work perfectly. Some of the most whacked out skronky shit ever recorded. I still can't listen to all of TMR in one sitting, though. Too whacked out skronky for too long. William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My husband loves Trout Mask Replica to this day; still goes over my head though. William Cocke wrote: I just put Moonlight on Vermont on a mixed tape and damn if it didn't work perfectly. Some of the most whacked out skronky shit ever recorded. I still can't listen to all of TMR in one sitting, though. Too whacked out skronky for too long. A Captain Beefheart subject heading on P2. I've been hoping that this day wouldn't arrive. It must be some kind of sign. And not a good one. Man, I can't even find the words to express how much I hate Beefheart. I know hate is a strong word, but it's really not strong enough. I'd rather be forced to listen to Dave Matthews for all eternity through earphones super-glued to my head then listen to 3 more minutes of Beefheart in my lifetime. And I've *really* listened to Beefheart. All of his lps (oh yeah, on scratchy vinyl) over and over again until my head was about to explode. I'm aware that the man is supposed to be a musical genius (and we know this because he stopped making music years ago and he dropped out of society to live in the desert in a trailer). I've been told repeatedly that I just don't 'get Beefheart'. Well, I maintain that there is nothing to get. He's had some interesting things to say over the years. (Arguably, there might be more to *get* in his writings and paintings.) But, just because he might have something interesting to say, doesn't necessarily mean that he's capable of making music. There is a difference between noise and music, right? Maybe the wailing smoke detector is actually music. I just need to understand the subtext of pain, danger, and fear in its plaintive, insistent cry. marie
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A Captain Beefheart subject heading on P2. I've been hoping that this day wouldn't arrive. It must be some kind of sign. And not a good one. [Matt Benz] And Marie wins the best Dave Purcell rant award, tho we could've used a few more profanities, ma'am.
RE: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
A Captain Beefheart subject heading on P2. I've been hoping that this day wouldn't arrive. It must be some kind of sign. And not a good one. [Matt Benz] tho we could've used a few more profanities, ma'am. Well, I'm a lady, damnit. Cut me some slack. g marie
Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
Sorry to disagree with Marie, but Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band rocked my little part of the world in their own peculiar way. One of the first CDs I bought was "Trout Mask Replica", mostly to replace the LP that had grown scratched and worn. I do agree that most of his later output was crap. His two classics were "Trout Mask Replica" and "Lick My Decals Off Baby". LMDOB unfortunately still isn't available on CD, or I'd have that too. You can get MP3s of the songs from LMDOB via the Captain Beefheart Radar Station (http://www.beefheart.com/filtered/filtered.htm). I just dug the humor behind his music. In 1969, when everybody else was singing about peace and/or drugs, the Captain was singing about Big Joan, whose hands were too small to go out in the daylight. His sound was dense, loud and cluttered, definitely not for everyone. Maybe it appealed to me because I grew up on Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention (my first LP was "We're Only In It For the Money"; my second was "Sgt. Peppers". I thought the Beatles were doing a parody of the Mothers). Maybe it's just the vibrations he set off resonated my geeky side. Anyway, I thought he was tapped into something outside of himself. Through him I got into Albert Ayler and Howlin' Wolf. I got to see the Magic Band at the Whiskey A Go Go around 1981. It was a great show, one of the best I saw that year. Captain Beefheart was and is a unique character. np: Danny Gatton, Portraits
Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:28:18 -0500 Marie Arsenault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, I can't even find the words to express how much I hate Beefheart. I know hate is a strong word, but it's really not strong enough. I'd rather be forced to listen to Dave Matthews for all eternity through earphones super-glued to my head then listen to 3 more minutes of Beefheart in my lifetime. Yowch. That hurts to even think about. Marie, I think you just expressed the pain. From the Land of Dave... William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
Hey there, Marie on Beefheart... There is a difference between noise and music, right? Actually, according to Zappa when recording those LPs, the point was to answer that question, "No." Later... CK It's a common failing of the listening public that they listen to old Rhythm and Blues records and miss the fact that this is folk music. Frank Zappa ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
Marie on Beefheart... There is a difference between noise and music, right? CK: Actually, according to Zappa when recording those LPs, the point was to answer that question, "No." Well, I think they answered that question with a *yes*. There is a difference between noise and music. Beefheart falls on the noise side to these ears. marie
RE: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music)
Suggested Beefheart twang content: those decals that he invited his baby to lick off may just have been the flag decals that wouldn't get John Prine into heaven anymore. Richard, interpreting the signs (or maybe just being a smartass) -Original Message- From: Marie Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 4:28 PM To: passenger side Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart (re:Welfare Music) A Captain Beefheart subject heading on P2. I've been hoping that this day wouldn't arrive. It must be some kind of sign. And not a good one.
