Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-22 Thread CT

CT wrote:

Noel Jones wrote:

On 4/18/2010 4:40 PM, groups wrote:

Noel Jones wrote, On 04/18/2010 04:20 PM:

On 4/18/2010 4:16 PM, groups wrote:


Postfix logs help you know what happened to a particular message. 
Look
in your logs for bounces (sender=<>) arriving from your 
relayhost, and

see what postfix does with it. No need to wonder where they went.


-- Noel Jones


A lot of the send only hosts have only an IP (not in DNS)


Look in the logs for the IP to find associated QUEUEIDs.



Apr 18 16:01:24 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 5BE9956799: from=<>,
size=89424, nrcpt=1 (queue active)



Look in the logs for other entries with that same QUEUEID 5BE9956799
to see other information associated with that transaction.



only 1 entry per transaction ID..
notthing in
/var/spool/postfix ...

ok.. and found something interesting..

Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 04C2A56799: from=<>,
size=83199, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 2B54756799: from=<>,
size=83614, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 4D99856799: from=<>,
size=84029, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 7B1F756799: from=<>,
size=8, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 9BD4456799: from=<>,
size=84859, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: BF6DC56799: from=<>,
size=85274, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: E147056799: from=<>,
size=85689, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

All have the same invalid recipient..


These show the sender and number of recipients = 1; the recipient 
address is listed in a different log line.


That seems like an awful lot of bounces in a short period of time.  
Sending lots of mail to undeliverable addresses is a red flag that 
something is wrong -- such as a badly outdated mail list, or a 
compromised machine spewing spam.


One of your tasks is to investigate why there are so many bounces, 
and find a way to reduce them.  Sending large amounts of 
undeliverable mail will have a bad effect on your server's reputation 
and may eventually lead to blacklisting.




Almost looks like it is "ping-ponging" back and forth between the
*master-relay* and my relay..


Messages with the null sender "<>" are never bounced, they must be 
delivered or discarded.


Bounces are always sent with the null sender.
This prevents bounces from ever looping (except in rare cases of 
stupid user tricks such as a .forward that rewrites <> to something 
else -- don't do that).


Further information about those messages can be found in the logs.



I have seen this invalid recipient on the old Sendmail box.. and
it ended up in my queue then expires.. (the sender host has been out of
the office when I tried to contact them)

so it looks like I have something not right..
there is nothing in mailq..

Charles


You need to examine the log further.  If there's a problem, postfix 
will likely tell you what it is, or at least give you a better idea 
of where to look.


Postfix generates several log lines for each message.  You need to 
look at *all* the lines with the same QUEUEID to see what happened to 
a message.


Logs for a single message look something like this below (with my 
comments).  Because postfix can process many messages in parallel, 
logs for a single message may be separated by a considerable number 
of unrelated log entries.  There may be more or fewer entries 
depending on what happens with a transaction, but this is fairly 
typical.



Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: connect from 
private.webmail.example.org[192.168.70.47] to smtpd

(client connected; the hostname and IP are logged)

Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: 1A2C779788F: 
client=private.webmail.example.org[192.168.70.47]
(the QUEUEID "1A2C779788F" is assigned. That means there was at least 
one recipient accepted and a queue file was created.  Future lines 
pertaining to this specific message will include this same QUEUEID)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/cleanup[92028]: 1A2C779788F: 
message-id=<1100418.aa11...@example.org>
(the Message-id: header is logged. This is a helpful unique message 
identifier when searching the logs for a specific message.)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/qmgr[95868]: 1A2C779788F: from=<>, 
size=382, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
(envelope sender, size, number of recipients, which queue it's 
assigned to)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: disconnect from 
private.webmail.vbhcs.org[192.168.70.47]
(postfix has disconnected from the client.  This line can be related 
to the "connect" line above by the smtpd process id, in this case 
"91955")


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/local[94393]: 1A2C779788F: 
to=, relay=local, delay=0.11, delays=0.05

/0.03/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
(the mail was delivered to a local user)

Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/qmgr[95868]: 1A2C779788F: removed
(postfix co

Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-19 Thread CT

Noel Jones wrote:

On 4/18/2010 4:40 PM, groups wrote:

Noel Jones wrote, On 04/18/2010 04:20 PM:

On 4/18/2010 4:16 PM, groups wrote:


Postfix logs help you know what happened to a particular message. 
Look
in your logs for bounces (sender=<>) arriving from your relayhost, 
and

see what postfix does with it. No need to wonder where they went.


-- Noel Jones


A lot of the send only hosts have only an IP (not in DNS)


Look in the logs for the IP to find associated QUEUEIDs.



Apr 18 16:01:24 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 5BE9956799: from=<>,
size=89424, nrcpt=1 (queue active)



Look in the logs for other entries with that same QUEUEID 5BE9956799
to see other information associated with that transaction.



only 1 entry per transaction ID..
notthing in
/var/spool/postfix ...

ok.. and found something interesting..

Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 04C2A56799: from=<>,
size=83199, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 2B54756799: from=<>,
size=83614, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 4D99856799: from=<>,
size=84029, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 7B1F756799: from=<>,
size=8, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 9BD4456799: from=<>,
size=84859, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: BF6DC56799: from=<>,
size=85274, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: E147056799: from=<>,
size=85689, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

All have the same invalid recipient..


These show the sender and number of recipients = 1; the recipient 
address is listed in a different log line.


That seems like an awful lot of bounces in a short period of time.  
Sending lots of mail to undeliverable addresses is a red flag that 
something is wrong -- such as a badly outdated mail list, or a 
compromised machine spewing spam.


One of your tasks is to investigate why there are so many bounces, and 
find a way to reduce them.  Sending large amounts of undeliverable 
mail will have a bad effect on your server's reputation and may 
eventually lead to blacklisting.




Almost looks like it is "ping-ponging" back and forth between the
*master-relay* and my relay..


Messages with the null sender "<>" are never bounced, they must be 
delivered or discarded.


Bounces are always sent with the null sender.
This prevents bounces from ever looping (except in rare cases of 
stupid user tricks such as a .forward that rewrites <> to something 
else -- don't do that).


Further information about those messages can be found in the logs.



I have seen this invalid recipient on the old Sendmail box.. and
it ended up in my queue then expires.. (the sender host has been out of
the office when I tried to contact them)

so it looks like I have something not right..
there is nothing in mailq..

Charles


You need to examine the log further.  If there's a problem, postfix 
will likely tell you what it is, or at least give you a better idea of 
where to look.


Postfix generates several log lines for each message.  You need to 
look at *all* the lines with the same QUEUEID to see what happened to 
a message.


Logs for a single message look something like this below (with my 
comments).  Because postfix can process many messages in parallel, 
logs for a single message may be separated by a considerable number of 
unrelated log entries.  There may be more or fewer entries depending 
on what happens with a transaction, but this is fairly typical.



Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: connect from 
private.webmail.example.org[192.168.70.47] to smtpd

(client connected; the hostname and IP are logged)

Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: 1A2C779788F: 
client=private.webmail.example.org[192.168.70.47]
(the QUEUEID "1A2C779788F" is assigned. That means there was at least 
one recipient accepted and a queue file was created.  Future lines 
pertaining to this specific message will include this same QUEUEID)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/cleanup[92028]: 1A2C779788F: 
message-id=<1100418.aa11...@example.org>
(the Message-id: header is logged. This is a helpful unique message 
identifier when searching the logs for a specific message.)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/qmgr[95868]: 1A2C779788F: from=<>, 
size=382, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
(envelope sender, size, number of recipients, which queue it's 
assigned to)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: disconnect from 
private.webmail.vbhcs.org[192.168.70.47]
(postfix has disconnected from the client.  This line can be related 
to the "connect" line above by the smtpd process id, in this case 
"91955")


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/local[94393]: 1A2C779788F: 
to=, relay=local, delay=0.11, delays=0.05

/0.03/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
(the mail was delivered to a local user)

Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/qmgr[95868]: 1A2C779788F: removed
(postfix completed this

Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread Noel Jones

On 4/18/2010 4:40 PM, groups wrote:

Noel Jones wrote, On 04/18/2010 04:20 PM:

On 4/18/2010 4:16 PM, groups wrote:


Postfix logs help you know what happened to a particular message. Look
in your logs for bounces (sender=<>) arriving from your relayhost, and
see what postfix does with it. No need to wonder where they went.


-- Noel Jones


A lot of the send only hosts have only an IP (not in DNS)


Look in the logs for the IP to find associated QUEUEIDs.



Apr 18 16:01:24 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 5BE9956799: from=<>,
size=89424, nrcpt=1 (queue active)



Look in the logs for other entries with that same QUEUEID 5BE9956799
to see other information associated with that transaction.



only 1 entry per transaction ID..
notthing in
/var/spool/postfix ...

ok.. and found something interesting..

Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 04C2A56799: from=<>,
size=83199, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 2B54756799: from=<>,
size=83614, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 4D99856799: from=<>,
size=84029, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 7B1F756799: from=<>,
size=8, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 9BD4456799: from=<>,
size=84859, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: BF6DC56799: from=<>,
size=85274, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: E147056799: from=<>,
size=85689, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

All have the same invalid recipient..


These show the sender and number of recipients = 1; the 
recipient address is listed in a different log line.


That seems like an awful lot of bounces in a short period of 
time.  Sending lots of mail to undeliverable addresses is a 
red flag that something is wrong -- such as a badly outdated 
mail list, or a compromised machine spewing spam.


One of your tasks is to investigate why there are so many 
bounces, and find a way to reduce them.  Sending large amounts 
of undeliverable mail will have a bad effect on your server's 
reputation and may eventually lead to blacklisting.




Almost looks like it is "ping-ponging" back and forth between the
*master-relay* and my relay..


Messages with the null sender "<>" are never bounced, they 
must be delivered or discarded.


Bounces are always sent with the null sender.
This prevents bounces from ever looping (except in rare cases 
of stupid user tricks such as a .forward that rewrites <> to 
something else -- don't do that).


Further information about those messages can be found in the logs.



I have seen this invalid recipient on the old Sendmail box.. and
it ended up in my queue then expires.. (the sender host has been out of
the office when I tried to contact them)

so it looks like I have something not right..
there is nothing in mailq..

Charles


You need to examine the log further.  If there's a problem, 
postfix will likely tell you what it is, or at least give you 
a better idea of where to look.


Postfix generates several log lines for each message.  You 
need to look at *all* the lines with the same QUEUEID to see 
what happened to a message.


Logs for a single message look something like this below (with 
my comments).  Because postfix can process many messages in 
parallel, logs for a single message may be separated by a 
considerable number of unrelated log entries.  There may be 
more or fewer entries depending on what happens with a 
transaction, but this is fairly typical.



Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: connect from 
private.webmail.example.org[192.168.70.47] to smtpd

(client connected; the hostname and IP are logged)

Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: 1A2C779788F: 
client=private.webmail.example.org[192.168.70.47]
(the QUEUEID "1A2C779788F" is assigned. That means there was 
at least one recipient accepted and a queue file was created. 
 Future lines pertaining to this specific message will 
include this same QUEUEID)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/cleanup[92028]: 1A2C779788F: 
message-id=<1100418.aa11...@example.org>
(the Message-id: header is logged. This is a helpful unique 
message identifier when searching the logs for a specific 
message.)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/qmgr[95868]: 1A2C779788F: 
from=<>, size=382, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
(envelope sender, size, number of recipients, which queue it's 
assigned to)


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/smtpd[91955]: disconnect from 
private.webmail.vbhcs.org[192.168.70.47]
(postfix has disconnected from the client.  This line can be 
related to the "connect" line above by the smtpd process id, 
in this case "91955")


Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/local[94393]: 1A2C779788F: 
to=, relay=local, delay=0.11, delays=0.05

/0.03/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
(the mail was delivered to a local user)

Apr 18 00:00:20 mgate2 postfix/qmgr[95868]: 1A2C779788F: removed
(postfix completed this message, and remov

Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread groups

Noel Jones wrote, On 04/18/2010 04:20 PM:

On 4/18/2010 4:16 PM, groups wrote:


Postfix logs help you know what happened to a particular message. Look
in your logs for bounces (sender=<>) arriving from your relayhost, and
see what postfix does with it. No need to wonder where they went.


-- Noel Jones


A lot of the send only hosts have only an IP (not in DNS)


Look in the logs for the IP to find associated QUEUEIDs.



Apr 18 16:01:24 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 5BE9956799: from=<>,
size=89424, nrcpt=1 (queue active)



Look in the logs for other entries with that same QUEUEID 5BE9956799 to 
see other information associated with that transaction.




only 1 entry per transaction ID..
notthing in
/var/spool/postfix ...

ok.. and found something interesting..

Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 04C2A56799: from=<>, 
size=83199, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 2B54756799: from=<>, 
size=83614, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 4D99856799: from=<>, 
size=84029, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 7B1F756799: from=<>, 
size=8, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 9BD4456799: from=<>, 
size=84859, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: BF6DC56799: from=<>, 
size=85274, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 18 16:01:22 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: E147056799: from=<>, 
size=85689, nrcpt=1 (queue active)


All have the same invalid recipient..

Almost looks like it is "ping-ponging" back and forth between the 
*master-relay* and my relay..


I have seen this invalid recipient on the old Sendmail box.. and
it ended up in my queue then expires.. (the sender host has been out of 
the office when I tried to contact them)


so it looks like I have something not right..
there is nothing in mailq..

Charles


Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread Noel Jones

On 4/18/2010 4:16 PM, groups wrote:


Postfix logs help you know what happened to a particular message. Look
in your logs for bounces (sender=<>) arriving from your relayhost, and
see what postfix does with it. No need to wonder where they went.


-- Noel Jones


A lot of the send only hosts have only an IP (not in DNS)


Look in the logs for the IP to find associated QUEUEIDs.



Apr 18 16:01:24 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 5BE9956799: from=<>,
size=89424, nrcpt=1 (queue active)



Look in the logs for other entries with that same QUEUEID 
5BE9956799 to see other information associated with that 
transaction.





Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread groups



Following the firewall/smtp relay page

http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#firewall

Process
- internal servers *send* through *my-relay*
- *my-relay* forwards to *master-relay*
- valid email is passing through for all the clients as expected.

- *master-relay* kicks back any undeliverable emails to *my-relay*
I want the undeliverable email to be sent and received on *my-relay*
and not my work account.
- I work with end users to "fix" their undeliverable issue.

-- Bounce messages are *not* being received back from the 
*master-relay*

to *my-relay*.


Sorry, your question isn't entirely clear to me.

Bounces are always sent to the envelope sender.

If a downstream relay isn't returning bounces to the envelope sender,
you need to take that up with the operators of the downstream relay.

If you need to control which user receives the bounce, adjust the
envelope sender on OUTGOING mail.

If this doesn't cover your question, please try to rephrase or show
logs of what occurs vs. what you expect to happen.


-- Noel Jones



Noel,
Thanks for the reply..

I *guess* I was wanting to know that the configuration I *do* have
is configured correctly to receive an invalid message sent *through* my
relay..
This relay is replacing the old Sendmail relay ..

Some clarification.
[send only host] => [*my-relay*] => [*master-relay*] => Final-Recipient
in the case that the Final-Recipient is invalid for whatever reason..
the *master-relay* returns the message back to *my-relay* ..
since the send only host can't receive "their invalid" message it ends
up in my queue and then times out..

This worked without incident on the old Sendmail relay.. so I am sure
that the
(downstream relay) configuration is correct... and the issue is with my
new relay..
btw
(I will be talking to the downstream relay admin tomorrow to see if they
can give me any ideas)

I am thinking that I might just need to remove this line
local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled


If the envelope sender (bounce recipient) domain is listed in 
$mydestination, then yes, you should remove this line OR arrange for 
that recipient to be delivered elsewhere OR use a different envelope 
sender that is deliverable.





Hope this clarifies the issue..


Postfix logs help you know what happened to a particular message.  Look 
in your logs for bounces (sender=<>) arriving from your relayhost, and 
see what postfix does with it.  No need to wonder where they went.



  -- Noel Jones


A lot of the send only hosts have only an IP (not in DNS)

Apr 18 16:01:24 mailhost postfix/qmgr[3283]: 5BE9956799: from=<>, 
size=89424, nrcpt=1 (queue active)


but nothing is in the active queue..

Will keep looking..
Thx again..
Charles


But there is nothing in /var/


Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread Noel Jones

On 4/18/2010 3:38 PM, Charles wrote:

Following the firewall/smtp relay page

http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#firewall

Process
- internal servers *send* through *my-relay*
- *my-relay* forwards to *master-relay*
- valid email is passing through for all the clients as expected.

- *master-relay* kicks back any undeliverable emails to *my-relay*
I want the undeliverable email to be sent and received on *my-relay*
and not my work account.
- I work with end users to "fix" their undeliverable issue.

-- Bounce messages are *not* being received back from the *master-relay*
to *my-relay*.


Sorry, your question isn't entirely clear to me.

Bounces are always sent to the envelope sender.

If a downstream relay isn't returning bounces to the envelope sender,
you need to take that up with the operators of the downstream relay.

If you need to control which user receives the bounce, adjust the
envelope sender on OUTGOING mail.

If this doesn't cover your question, please try to rephrase or show
logs of what occurs vs. what you expect to happen.


-- Noel Jones



Noel,
Thanks for the reply..

I *guess* I was wanting to know that the configuration I *do* have
is configured correctly to receive an invalid message sent *through* my
relay..
This relay is replacing the old Sendmail relay ..

Some clarification.
[send only host] => [*my-relay*] => [*master-relay*] => Final-Recipient
in the case that the Final-Recipient is invalid for whatever reason..
the *master-relay* returns the message back to *my-relay* ..
since the send only host can't receive "their invalid" message it ends
up in my queue and then times out..

This worked without incident on the old Sendmail relay.. so I am sure
that the
(downstream relay) configuration is correct... and the issue is with my
new relay..
btw
(I will be talking to the downstream relay admin tomorrow to see if they
can give me any ideas)

I am thinking that I might just need to remove this line
local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled


If the envelope sender (bounce recipient) domain is listed in 
$mydestination, then yes, you should remove this line OR 
arrange for that recipient to be delivered elsewhere OR use a 
different envelope sender that is deliverable.





Hope this clarifies the issue..


Postfix logs help you know what happened to a particular 
message.  Look in your logs for bounces (sender=<>) arriving 
from your relayhost, and see what postfix does with it.  No 
need to wonder where they went.



  -- Noel Jones


Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread Charles

Following the firewall/smtp relay page

http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#firewall

Process
- internal servers *send* through *my-relay*
- *my-relay* forwards to *master-relay*
- valid email is passing through for all the clients as expected.

- *master-relay* kicks back any undeliverable emails to *my-relay*
I want the undeliverable email to be sent and received on *my-relay*
and not my work account.
- I work with end users to "fix" their undeliverable issue.

-- Bounce messages are *not* being received back from the *master-relay*
to *my-relay*.


Sorry, your question isn't entirely clear to me.

Bounces are always sent to the envelope sender.

If a downstream relay isn't returning bounces to the envelope sender, 
you need to take that up with the operators of the downstream relay.


If you need to control which user receives the bounce, adjust the 
envelope sender on OUTGOING mail.


If this doesn't cover your question, please try to rephrase or show 
logs of what occurs vs. what you expect to happen.



  -- Noel Jones



Noel,
Thanks for the reply..

I *guess* I was wanting to know that the configuration I *do* have
is configured correctly to receive an invalid message sent  *through* my 
relay..

This relay is replacing the old Sendmail relay ..

Some clarification.
[send only host] => [*my-relay*] => [*master-relay*] => Final-Recipient
in the case that the Final-Recipient is invalid for whatever reason..
the *master-relay* returns the message back to *my-relay* ..
since the send only host can't receive "their invalid" message it ends
up in my queue and then times out..

This worked without incident on the old Sendmail relay.. so I am sure 
that the
(downstream relay) configuration is correct... and the issue is with my 
new relay..

btw
(I will be talking to the downstream relay admin tomorrow to see if they 
can give me any ideas)


I am thinking that I might just need to remove this line
local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled

Hope this clarifies the issue..

I really think I am missing something very basic.. and just can't see it..

Thx
Charles



Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread Noel Jones

On 4/18/2010 11:21 AM, CT wrote:

Following the firewall/smtp relay page
http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#firewall

Process
- internal servers *send* through *my-relay*
- *my-relay* forwards to *master-relay*
- valid email is passing through for all the clients as expected.

- *master-relay* kicks back any undeliverable emails to *my-relay*
I want the undeliverable email to be sent and received on *my-relay*
and not my work account.
- I work with end users to "fix" their undeliverable issue.

-- Bounce messages are *not* being received back from the *master-relay*
to *my-relay*.


Sorry, your question isn't entirely clear to me.

Bounces are always sent to the envelope sender.

If a downstream relay isn't returning bounces to the envelope 
sender, you need to take that up with the operators of the 
downstream relay.


If you need to control which user receives the bounce, adjust 
the envelope sender on OUTGOING mail.


If this doesn't cover your question, please try to rephrase or 
show logs of what occurs vs. what you expect to happen.



  -- Noel Jones




Particulars
-- OS: CentOS 5.4
-- my-dom.TLD = my domain
-- SUB-DOM = my sub domain

Postfinger
--System Parameters--
mail_version = 2.5.1
hostname = mailhost.SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD
uname = Linux mailhost.SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD 2.6.18-164.15.1.el5 #1 SMP Wed
Mar 17 11:37:14 EDT 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

--Packaging information--
looks like this postfix comes from RPM package: postfix-2.5.1-1.rhel5

--main.cf non-default parameters--
alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.1-documentation/html
local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
mime_header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/mime_header_checks.regexp
mydestination =
mynetworks = ppp.pp.0.0/16, DDD.dd.0.0/16
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.1-documentation/readme
relay_domains = SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD, my-dom.TLD
relayhost = *master-relay*.my-dom.TLD
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining,permit_mynetworks
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

--master.cf--
smtp inet n - n - - smtpd
pickup fifo n - n 60 1 pickup
cleanup unix n - n - 0 cleanup
qmgr fifo n - n 300 1 qmgr
tlsmgr unix - - n 1000? 1 tlsmgr
rewrite unix - - n - - trivial-rewrite
bounce unix - - n - 0 bounce
defer unix - - n - 0 bounce
trace unix - - n - 0 bounce
verify unix - - n - 1 verify
flush unix n - n 1000? 0 flush
proxymap unix - - n - - proxymap
proxywrite unix - - n - 1 proxymap
smtp unix - - n - - smtp
relay unix - - n - - smtp
-o smtp_fallback_relay=
showq unix n - n - - showq
error unix - - n - - error
retry unix - - n - - error
discard unix - - n - - discard
local unix - n n - - local
virtual unix - n n - - virtual
lmtp unix - - n - - lmtp
anvil unix - - n - 1 anvil
scache unix - - n - 1 scache

-- end of postfinger output --
--
/etc/postfix/virtual
root r...@mailhost.sub-dom.my-dom.tld
me m...@mailhost.sub-dom.my-dom.tld
--
/etc/postfix/aliases
#root: m...@my-domain.tld
root: m...@localhost

Thx
CT




Re: Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread groups

Following the firewall/smtp relay page
http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#firewall

Process
- internal servers *send* through *my-relay*
- *my-relay* forwards to *master-relay*
- valid email is passing through for all the clients as expected.

- *master-relay* kicks back any undeliverable emails to *my-relay*
   I want the undeliverable email to be sent and received  on *my-relay*
and not my work account.
- I work with end users to "fix" their undeliverable issue.

-- Bounce messages are *not* being received back from the *master-relay* 
to *my-relay*.


Particulars
-- OS: CentOS 5.4
-- my-dom.TLD = my domain
-- SUB-DOM= my sub domain

Postfinger
--System Parameters--
mail_version = 2.5.1
hostname = mailhost.SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD
uname = Linux mailhost.SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD 2.6.18-164.15.1.el5 #1 SMP Wed 
Mar 17 11:37:14 EDT 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux


--Packaging information--
looks like this postfix comes from RPM package: postfix-2.5.1-1.rhel5

--main.cf non-default parameters--
alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.1-documentation/html
local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
mime_header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/mime_header_checks.regexp
mydestination =
mynetworks = ppp.pp.0.0/16, DDD.dd.0.0/16
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.1-documentation/readme
relay_domains = SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD, my-dom.TLD
relayhost = *master-relay*.my-dom.TLD
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining,permit_mynetworks
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

--master.cf--
smtp  inet  n   -   n   -   -   smtpd
pickupfifo  n   -   n   60  1   pickup
cleanup   unix  n   -   n   -   0   cleanup
qmgr  fifo  n   -   n   300 1   qmgr
tlsmgrunix  -   -   n   1000?   1   tlsmgr
rewrite   unix  -   -   n   -   -   trivial-rewrite
bounceunix  -   -   n   -   0   bounce
defer unix  -   -   n   -   0   bounce
trace unix  -   -   n   -   0   bounce
verifyunix  -   -   n   -   1   verify
flush unix  n   -   n   1000?   0   flush
proxymap  unix  -   -   n   -   -   proxymap
proxywrite unix -   -   n   -   1   proxymap
smtp  unix  -   -   n   -   -   smtp
relay unix  -   -   n   -   -   smtp
   -o smtp_fallback_relay=
showq unix  n   -   n   -   -   showq
error unix  -   -   n   -   -   error
retry unix  -   -   n   -   -   error
discard   unix  -   -   n   -   -   discard
local unix  -   n   n   -   -   local
virtual   unix  -   n   n   -   -   virtual
lmtp  unix  -   -   n   -   -   lmtp
anvil unix  -   -   n   -   1   anvil
scacheunix  -   -   n   -   1   scache

-- end of postfinger output --
--
/etc/postfix/virtual
rootr...@mailhost.sub-dom.my-dom.tld
mem...@mailhost.sub-dom.my-dom.tld
--
/etc/postfix/aliases
#root:m...@my-domain.tld
root:m...@localhost

Thx
CT


I had asked this about 2 weeks ago but could not test it until it was in 
  place..


I did try the
mydestination = $myhostname
and
mydestination = $my-SUB-DOMAIN..

Thx
Ct


Receiving bounce messages back to local-host

2010-04-18 Thread CT

Following the firewall/smtp relay page
http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#firewall

Process
- internal servers *send* through *my-relay*
- *my-relay* forwards to *master-relay*
- valid email is passing through for all the clients as expected.

- *master-relay* kicks back any undeliverable emails to *my-relay*
   I want the undeliverable email to be sent and received  on *my-relay*
and not my work account.
- I work with end users to "fix" their undeliverable issue.

-- Bounce messages are *not* being received back from the *master-relay* 
to *my-relay*.


Particulars
-- OS: CentOS 5.4
-- my-dom.TLD = my domain
-- SUB-DOM= my sub domain

Postfinger
--System Parameters--
mail_version = 2.5.1
hostname = mailhost.SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD
uname = Linux mailhost.SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD 2.6.18-164.15.1.el5 #1 SMP Wed 
Mar 17 11:37:14 EDT 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux


--Packaging information--
looks like this postfix comes from RPM package: postfix-2.5.1-1.rhel5

--main.cf non-default parameters--
alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.1-documentation/html
local_transport = error:local mail delivery is disabled
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
mime_header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/mime_header_checks.regexp
mydestination =
mynetworks = ppp.pp.0.0/16, DDD.dd.0.0/16
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.1-documentation/readme
relay_domains = SUB-DOM.my-dom.TLD, my-dom.TLD
relayhost = *master-relay*.my-dom.TLD
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining,permit_mynetworks
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

--master.cf--
smtp  inet  n   -   n   -   -   smtpd
pickupfifo  n   -   n   60  1   pickup
cleanup   unix  n   -   n   -   0   cleanup
qmgr  fifo  n   -   n   300 1   qmgr
tlsmgrunix  -   -   n   1000?   1   tlsmgr
rewrite   unix  -   -   n   -   -   trivial-rewrite
bounceunix  -   -   n   -   0   bounce
defer unix  -   -   n   -   0   bounce
trace unix  -   -   n   -   0   bounce
verifyunix  -   -   n   -   1   verify
flush unix  n   -   n   1000?   0   flush
proxymap  unix  -   -   n   -   -   proxymap
proxywrite unix -   -   n   -   1   proxymap
smtp  unix  -   -   n   -   -   smtp
relay unix  -   -   n   -   -   smtp
   -o smtp_fallback_relay=
showq unix  n   -   n   -   -   showq
error unix  -   -   n   -   -   error
retry unix  -   -   n   -   -   error
discard   unix  -   -   n   -   -   discard
local unix  -   n   n   -   -   local
virtual   unix  -   n   n   -   -   virtual
lmtp  unix  -   -   n   -   -   lmtp
anvil unix  -   -   n   -   1   anvil
scacheunix  -   -   n   -   1   scache

-- end of postfinger output --
--
/etc/postfix/virtual
rootr...@mailhost.sub-dom.my-dom.tld
mem...@mailhost.sub-dom.my-dom.tld
--
/etc/postfix/aliases
#root:m...@my-domain.tld
root:m...@localhost

Thx
CT