Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread Ken Norris (dialup)

 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:46:29 -0400
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 Subject: Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

 Does anyone know of a PCMCIA USB 2.0 card that would work with my =93new=
 =94
 PowerBook 1400c. It=92s running Mac OS 8.6.
 
 I want to hook up an external USB HD.
 
 
 How about  an external SCSI to USB converter ?
 
 Or serial to USB ?
=
Sorry, but the 1400 is a NuBus architecture machine, therefore USB was not a
possibility, and never will be. I see it could be bridged with special PCI
chipsets with their own memory, if you could stuff it all in there, but no
one is going to build such a highly specialized animal for a legacy machine,
which also has serious memory limitations, because there is simply no future
whatsoever in doing so.

I used mine daily, in fact I'm typing this on my 1400 right now. But I have
no illusions about its limitations. I use it for creating and storing files,
a little SuperCard work, and some internet stuff, but that's about it. I use
a 128mb flashcard for Virtual Memory to prevent some programs from crashing.

It's very reliable, though. I'll miss it when it's gone, but it keeps
truckin' along, albeit it operates like pouring molasses outdoors in winter.

Ken N. 


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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread Mark Benson
 
On Friday, July 23, 2004, at 10:12AM, Ken Norris (dialup) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry, but the 1400 is a NuBus architecture machine, therefore USB was not a
possibility, and never will be. I see it could be bridged with special PCI
chipsets with their own memory, if you could stuff it all in there, but no
one is going to build such a highly specialized animal for a legacy machine,
which also has serious memory limitations, because there is simply no future
whatsoever in doing so.

I beleive it is remotely possible on a 3400c, as the PCMCIA controller on that is 
CardBus compliant (I think you have to swap the card cage over for a CardBus one). The 
1400 isn't however and thus doesn't support CarBus interface cards at all, finito, 
period. I am not sure it has anything to do with the 'NuBus' architecture...

In short it won't work becuase the PCMCIA controller is not compatible with new-age 
High Speed CardBus cards, which include (to the best of my knowledge) all USB, USB 
2.0, FireWire and 100Mbit ethernet adapters, as well as others I have likely missed.

If you want to get technical CardBus entails 2 things - 1 is the increase in bus speed 
(controlled by the controller chip) and the other is a card cage that has the 
grounding strip in it to ground the cards sufficiently as to avoid interference on 
what is a much more sensetive high speed signal. Or at least that's what I worked it 
out to be

It's very reliable, though. I'll miss it when it's gone, but it keeps
truckin' along, albeit it operates like pouring molasses outdoors in winter.

I've seen my friend get overtaken by a sloth browsing the web on his 1400cs 117 ;)

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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread Roger Adams
Yes,

VST had a CD-ROM option for the 5300 series PBs.  I have one on my
5300ce.

HTH

Roger



 I'm here at Kfest and the question came up:  was there a CD-ROM option 
 for 
 the 5300/190 that can be swapped for the disk drive module?  
 
 Thanks!
 
 Later.Howard
 
 
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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread Jacob Hunter
But it won't fit, it can't, is it external? I'll just try fitting a CD 
into the empty drive bay of mine...nope, the bay is too narrow. A full 
size CD cannot possibly fit without destroying half the case.

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On 23 Jul 2004, at 14:46, Roger Adams wrote:
Yes,
VST had a CD-ROM option for the 5300 series PBs.  I have one on my
5300ce.
HTH
Roger

I'm here at Kfest and the question came up:  was there a CD-ROM option
for
the 5300/190 that can be swapped for the disk drive module?
Thanks!
Later.Howard

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Fwd: Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread Roger Adams
I take my email below back, silly idiot that I am.  It is so long since
I used my 5300ce that I forgot that I had to buy an external CD-ROM to
use it.  Sorry all.   My CD-ROM was with my Wallstreet 1 and my Pismo
500.   Now that I am using a beautiful G4/17 inch 1.5 gHz PowerBook I
got carried away with myself.

Incidentally, the 5300ce is in beautiful condition and works extremely
well on OS 8.2, albeit a little slow.   Please don't ask if I want to
sell it.  I live in Thailand and the shipping costs to the US or Europe
alone would render the price you would be willing to pay unaffordable.

Cheers

Roger


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Yes,

VST had a CD-ROM option for the 5300 series PBs.  I have one on my
5300ce.

HTH

Roger



 I'm here at Kfest and the question came up:  was there a CD-ROM option 
 for 
 the 5300/190 that can be swapped for the disk drive module?  
 
 Thanks!
 
 Later.Howard
 
 
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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread ACFX44501
I beleive it is remotely possible on a 3400c, as the PCMCIA controller on 
that is CardBus compliant (I think you have to swap the card cage over for 
a CardBus one). The 1400 isn't however and thus doesn't support CarBus 
interface cards at all, finito, period. I am not sure it has anything to 
do with the 'NuBus' architecture...

NuBus-based PBs use one bridge chip, a NuBus-to-PCMCIA bridge chip; 
PCI-based PBs use another bridge chip, a PCI-to-Cardbus bridge chip. TI 
definitely made the second. Although NuBus was a TI development, used by 
Apple under license, I don't believe TI made that NuBus-to-PCMCIA bridge 
chip.

The former supports 16 bit transfers only, and is PCMCIA compliant.

The latter supports 32 bit (and is backward compliant for 16 bit 
transfers), and is Cardbus compliant (as well as being backward compliant 
with PCMCIA).

All USB and Firewire cards are Cardbus cards, and will not operate in a 
PCMCIA slot.

Not just because of the card key which prevents their insertion onto a 
PCMCIA cage, but because of the additional control and data lines which 
such cards depend upon.


In short it won't work becuase the PCMCIA controller is not compatible 
with new-age High Speed CardBus cards, which include (to the best of my 
knowledge) all USB, USB 2.0, FireWire and 100Mbit ethernet adapters, as 
well as others I have likely missed.

There are 10/100 ethernet cards which were 16 bit, and hence were PCMCIA, 
but no Mac drivers were ever released for these cards.

All USB 1.1 cards, were Cardbus from the git go. USB 2.0, too. Firewire, 
too.

Only a very few 10/100 ethernet cards were PCMCIA, and these were soon 
dropped in favor of 10/100 Cardbus cards.

There were a few Cardbus cards which did not include the copper grounding 
strip usually found on Cardbus cards, but these cards were still keyed as 
Cardbus cards.

3Com made an X-Jack 802.11b WiFi card which appeared to be a PCMCIA 
card because of the absence of the copper grounding strip, but it was 
really a Cardbus card, and it was keyed as such.

It was also 3Com which made the 10/100 ethernet cards which were PCMCIA, 
but had no Mac driver available.


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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread Charles Burns
You can get an PCMCIA Ethernet card for the 1400.  I have one  use 
it to hook my 1400 to the ethernet port on an airport base station, 
and hence to a broadband connection.  Result, super fast internet, 
much better than other Macs in the house which rely on old style 
Airport cards!

Incidentally this also gives me access to all the hard drives on 
those other computers, which may be another way of the solving the 
original questioners problem?

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In short it won't work becuase the PCMCIA controller is not 
compatible with new-age High Speed CardBus cards, which include (to 
the best of my knowledge) all USB, USB 2.0, FireWire and 100Mbit 
ethernet adapters, as well as others I have likely missed.
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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread ACFX44501
You can get an PCMCIA Ethernet card for the 1400.

The best of these is probably the 3Com EtherLink III, model 3C589C.

These are useless without the dongle, however, and there were several 
dongle styles, from the short RJ-45 female to the long RJ-45 male.

Early 3C589 cards took a special dongle, which is no longer available.

Late 3C589 cards, whether identified as 10BaseT or coaxial, or both, were 
really the same card, and all accepted the same set of dongles.

A kludged Farallon driver is the best way to get a 3C589 to work in a PB.

(If you're also trying to get a WiFi card, say, a Proxim SkyLine, to work 
in the same PB, you may have to install the Farallon driver, anyway, just 
to get the WiFI card to work).

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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread ACFX44501
VST had a CD-ROM option for the 5300 series PBs.  I have one on my
5300ce.

The media bay of the 5300, and the similarly sized 190, is not expandable 
to accept a CD-ROM.

The later 3400 (and Kanga), which uses many of the same case parts as the 
5300, has an expandable media bay, and will accept 5300 media (floppy and 
Zip drives) as well as the later 3400 media (CD-ROM drives).

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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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There are 10/100 ethernet cards which were 16 bit, and hence were PCMCIA, 
but no Mac drivers were ever released for these cards.

All USB 1.1 cards, were Cardbus from the git go. USB 2.0, too. Firewire, 
too.

I hate to add fuel to the flame, BUT I did once hear of a USB 1.1 PCMCIA 
card, made for the early non-carbus PC laptops, like the Thunk-Pad... 

I keep my ears, mouth, nose and throat open for it; as I do for a rumored 
Newer G3 processor for the Powerbook 500-series, Bigfoot, world peace, etc., 
etc

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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread Howard R. Katz
We knew an external CD-ROM is possible (I've got a 1x one that I've used 
on both the 5300 and the 520c), but the discussion here had someone sure 
they had read that the internal one was possible.  We were trying to 
figure out how you'd fold that disk to make it fit.  :)

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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread ACFX44501
I hate to add fuel to the flame, BUT I did once hear of a USB 1.1 PCMCIA 
card, made for the early non-carbus PC laptops, like the Thunk-Pad... 

There were also reports of an IBM Firewire card which was PCMCIA, but 
when I got my hands on it, it was clearly Cardbus and not PCMCIA.

The main problem with all the reports of Mac PCMCIA USB and Firewire 
cards is the bridge.

The early ones all used the TI bridge, which is PCI only.

The later ones have the bridge built into the functional chip itself.

For there to have been a USB or Firewire PCMCIA card, there must have 
also been a NuBus-to-PCMCIA bridge chip ... but no one ever made one.


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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread Clark Martin
At 9:13 PM -0500 7/22/04, Howard R. Katz wrote:
I'm here at Kfest and the question came up:  was there a CD-ROM option for
the 5300/190 that can be swapped for the disk drive module?
No but there almost was.  The space is too small for a conventional 
CD-ROM drive.  Apple was promoting the idea of a mini-CD drive in the 
industry but found no interest.  I guess they didn't want to go it 
alone.   It would have been difficult if they had.  I doubt too many 
people would have published software or music on the smaller CDs. And 
when slot loaders came along it would have been a real mess.

There are floppy drives, ZIP drives and the weight saving device 
(empty box with room for PC Cards) that fit there.  I think someone 
produced an AC power supply that fit there but I might be thinking of 
a different model.
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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread Matt Crocker
I'm here at Kfest and the question came up:  was there a CD-ROM 
option for
the 5300/190 that can be swapped for the disk drive module?
No but there almost was.  The space is too small for a conventional 
CD-ROM drive.  Apple was promoting the idea of a mini-CD drive in the 
industry but found no interest.  I guess they didn't want to go it 
alone.   It would have been difficult if they had.  I doubt too many 
people would have published software or music on the smaller CDs. And 
when slot loaders came along it would have been a real mess.

There are floppy drives, ZIP drives and the weight saving device 
(empty box with room for PC Cards) that fit there.  I think someone 
produced an AC power supply that fit there but I might be thinking of 
a different model.
VST produced a magneto-optical drive which worked up until System 7, 
which wasn't really much use (I have one) as nobody else had a drive 
that was compatible with it, and nobody supported it after System 
7.something. It was quite handy for backups, though.

Matt
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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread Clark Martin
At 3:40 PM +0100 7/23/04, Charles Burns wrote:
You can get an PCMCIA Ethernet card for the 1400.  I have one  use 
it to hook my 1400 to the ethernet port on an airport base station, 
and hence to a broadband connection.  Result, super fast internet, 
much better than other Macs in the house which rely on old style 
Airport cards!

Incidentally this also gives me access to all the hard drives on 
those other computers, which may be another way of the solving the 
original questioners problem?

Charles
On Friday, July 23, 2004, at 10:12AM, Ken Norris (dialup) 
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In short it won't work becuase the PCMCIA controller is not 
compatible with new-age High Speed CardBus cards, which include (to 
the best of my knowledge) all USB, USB 2.0, FireWire and 100Mbit 
ethernet adapters, as well as others I have likely missed.

MacAlly had a 10/100 non-CardBus PC Card adapter.  But I tend to 
doubt there is much advantage to it.
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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread John Ruschmeyer
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 13:45, Clark Martin wrote:
 At 9:13 PM -0500 7/22/04, Howard R. Katz wrote:
 I'm here at Kfest and the question came up:  was there a CD-ROM option for
 the 5300/190 that can be swapped for the disk drive module?
 
 No but there almost was.  The space is too small for a conventional 
 CD-ROM drive.  Apple was promoting the idea of a mini-CD drive in the 
 industry but found no interest.  I guess they didn't want to go it 
 alone.   It would have been difficult if they had.  I doubt too many 
 people would have published software or music on the smaller CDs. And 
 when slot loaders came along it would have been a real mess.

FWIW, if you want to actually see one, check out the move ID4. Near the
beginning is a scene where Jeff Goldblum is in the car on his way to the
White House. He pulls out his PowerBook  (prototype 5300) and pops a
mini CD into the drive.

I'm curious... would this have been a regular CD-single size disk? If
so, I would imagine that it would have been fairly useful. I guess the
problem would be getting SW publishers to commit to the smaller format.

 There are floppy drives, ZIP drives and the weight saving device 
 (empty box with room for PC Cards) that fit there.  I think someone 
 produced an AC power supply that fit there but I might be thinking of 
 a different model.

VST, I think.
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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 7/23/2004 2:47:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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VST, I think.

Yes, VST. They made an ac adapter for the 3400c. I guess you could plug the 
machine in w/o having to lug around the normal brick AC adapter. It also 
allowed you to use the 190/5300 dual battery charger to charge 3400 Li-Ion 
batteries. 

I have one... I have yet to use it. The module itself has two ports for 
plugs; one in the rear (for the ac wall outlet plug) and one in the front (exposed) 
part that looks like the power jack in the 190/5300. I think I got cords with 
it also. Still am not sure how it charges the batteries, in or out of the 
powerbook.

It is too, too bad Apple did not go forward with the mini-cd adapter. 
Mini-cds would have been a cool option for PDAs, Palmtops... plus, these days there 
are alot of CD-R/RWs in the mini-cd format.

Craig W.
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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread Howard R. Katz
I bid on one of the VST power supplies on ebay last week, but got sniped 
at the last 5 seconds (or something like that).  The major drawback of 
course is if the power supply is in the side port, you can't use a disk 
drive in there at the same time.

Later.Howard


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Re: PB5300 question

2004-07-23 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 7/23/2004 5:01:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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 I bid on one of the VST power supplies on ebay last week, but got sniped 
  at the last 5 seconds (or something like that).  The major drawback of 
  course is if the power supply is in the side port, you can't use a disk 
  drive in there at the same time.

Okay, now that I see it, I had it bass ackwards...

The port for the AC cord is actually on the outside (of course!); the port 
next to the mobo connector looks like the one on the 190/5300 laptops...

Evidently some other cord is needed that I don't have, that would allow this 
device to charge 3400 (+Kanga?) batteries w/ a 190/3400 VST dual charger...

Craig W.
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5300cs won't wake up

2004-07-23 Thread Robert S. Rowan
Dear List,
Could a corrupted Power Manager cause the PB not to wake up after 
being put to sleep?

Robert R.
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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread KG
 I beleive it is remotely possible on a 3400c, as the PCMCIA controller on
that is CardBus compliant (I think you have to swap the  card cage over for
a CardBus one).

Or, failing that, modify a CardBus PCMCIA card to fit in the existing card
cage. This can be done on a 2400, 3400 or Kanga, none of which officially
support the CardBus spec.

 The 1400 isn't however and thus doesn't support CarBus interface cards at
all, finito, period. I am not sure it has anything to do with  the 'NuBus'
architecture...

It has a lot to do with the NuBus architecture. No one ever made a USB
chipset that talks to anything other than a PCI interface. If NuBus USB
chipsets existed, then there would have been quite a market in NuBus USB
add-on cards for first-generation Power Macs. (I know I would buy one!)
Creating the chipset just wasn't cost-effective.

 If you want to get technical CardBus entails 2 things - 1 is the increase
in bus speed (controlled by the controller chip) and the other  is a card
cage that has the grounding strip in it to ground the cards sufficiently as
to avoid interference on what is a much more
 sensetive high speed signal. Or at least that's what I worked it out to
be

Actually, the main difference is that CardBus controllers have their own DSP
which handles most of the processing needed to make the expansion card talk
to the system. On a 16-bit PCMCIA system, this work has to be done by the
CPU.

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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0 card for Powerbook 1400c?

2004-07-23 Thread Ken Norris (dialup)
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 It was also 3Com which made the 10/100 ethernet cards which were PCMCIA,
 but had no Mac driver available.

I'm using a GlobalVillage FaxModem. Its ethernet connection has been 100%
reliable on 10-100 lines, never had any problems so far.

I'm using it on my boat on the phone line side right now. I'm thinking about
getting a wireless modem. It will certainly help ole 14 go better online.

Ken N.


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