Re: 3400c questions
I dont know why you would partition a 40gb hard drive into 8gb chunks. Have been following this thread with a view to doing something similar on our hugely upgraded pet 5300C - so today I partitioned the drive and installed OS 8.5 on one 1.5gb partition and OS 9 on one 2gb partition, leaving the spare 3.5gb on a spare partition - I know it sounds stupid but OS 9.0 definitely seems MUCH faster than when it was the sole OS on the 6 GB drive , and it gives access to some programmes that work on OS 8.5 but need a different version for OS.9 and vice versa Maybe its a trend? Am seriously thinking of putting Real PC on the surplus partition to get the best of all worlds. (Note of caution - we think anyone else attempting this may need the maximum 60mb RAM that we have on this machine) Gerald Jennings -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
--- The Calypso Organization [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know why you would partition a 40gb hard drive into 8gb chunks. Have been following this thread with a view to doing something similar on our hugely upgraded pet 5300C - so today I partitioned the drive and installed OS 8.5 on one 1.5gb partition and OS 9 on one 2gb partition, leaving the spare 3.5gb on a spare partition - I know it sounds stupid but OS 9.0 definitely seems MUCH faster than when it was the sole OS on the 6 GB drive , and it gives access to some programmes that work on OS 8.5 but need a different version for OS.9 and vice versa. [snip] (Note of caution - we think anyone else attempting this may need the maximum 60mb RAM that we have on this machine) Gerald Jennings Gerald, Same drive, just partitioned differently? What did you use to partion it (Apple's SW or something else)? Do you have Speed Doubler installed on each (or any) partition? Any difference in speed with the MacOS 8.5 side? Any chance of running MacBench or Norton tests to check if your feelings are quantifiable? I guess this would be a pain as you'd have to go back to a single partition, install each OS and run the tests, then re-partition. Sorry I asked ... I also assume you mean 64MB RAM, and not 60MB. As a 5300cs owner, this is very interesting. It makes me reconsider putting in a lager HD. I've been reluctant to spend any more on it, as I paid too much for it initially ($280) - although I've already bought: 32MB RAM ($40?) an external battery charger ($20) a Proxim Skyline WiFi card ($30) a CF/PCMCIA adapter ($13) and a Panasonic CD ROM drive ($20) But I wouldn't be adverse to a *good* deal on a 5300c display. :-) (I'd probably be better off buying a 5300c outright - or even a 3400!) I know, it's a sickness. :-) Regards, Bob Eye Dallas, TX -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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(I'd probably be better off buying a 5300c outright - or even a 3400!) You probably would. 3400s and even Kangas are going for what I consider dirt cheap prices lately. I saw a Kanga for $160 on eBay last night. That's a heck of a price for a G3 PowerBook. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
I dont know why you would partition a 40gb hard drive into 8gb chunks. Mine worked fine with the full 40gb in one partition. I was about to ask that. But perhaps something to do with wanting to run 7.6? Didn't it have a limit? And, FYI, I think my 3400 feels about 10% faster with the new 20G drive compared to the original one . Perhaps easier than changing the clock chip! Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: illustrated catalogue at http://www.vidaverde.co.uk -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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7.6.1 ran fine on my single partition On Mar 27, 2004, at 5:02 AM, VidaVerde wrote: I was about to ask that. But perhaps something to do with wanting to run 7.6? Didn't it have a limit? And, FYI, I think my 3400 feels about 10% faster with the new 20G drive compared to the original one . Perhaps easier than changing the clock chip! -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Here is my page with firewire and 40gb hard drive as well as overclocking and etc... I dont know why you would partition a 40gb hard drive into 8gb chunks. Mine worked fine with the full 40gb in one partition. http://www.palkasoft.com/hooper/ also on that page is pictures of the overclocking of the 3400c for whoever it was that asked for them I also so far believe my 275mhz 3400c to be the fastest ever attained, unless somebody can show me another example on the internet which I cannot find! I read results from a 300mhz 3400c, but it had zero info just a bar that was 25% longer than another bar and no explanation, text, testimony, or anything. Just two bars, on marked 240mhz, and the other 300mhz. I dont believe these to be real since my 3400c wouldnt boot at 300mhz. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Hans Doeleman asks: --- MY question: did anyone succeed to add USB capabilities to his 3400? Or better: Firewire? Thank you for your answer(s)! FW works fine on my 3400s: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/macdan/3400cardbus.html and others have had success with USB cards VidaVerde [EMAIL PROTECTED] asks: Can you take a couple of photos as you do it? Just so the rest of us can find the clock crystal if we want to try this? My 3400 bus-multiplier resistors photo-mishmash, but the crystal is in there somewhere too: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/macdan/images/pb3400resistors.jpg Yikes, I really should re-do that pic, what a mess! (now that I'm taking a good look at it . . .) Dan K . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
Here is my page with firewire and 40gb hard drive as well as overclocking and etc... I dont know why you would partition a 40gb hard drive into 8gb chunks. Mine worked fine with the full 40gb in one partition. http://www.palkasoft.com/hooper/ also on that page is pictures of the overclocking of the 3400c for whoever it was that asked for them -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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From: victoria.duggan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did read a while back that the extensions can be mess about with to speed up the Mac but i do not really think that this is needed in most cases . Victoria. Can also get Conflict Catcher and winnow out unnecessary ext's. Also can disable startup extensions which slows startup so much. I never really understand why this Mac OS feature was necessary. -- Mike Amato -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, disbelieving, I installed 9.1 on my 5300ce last night. You guys were right and I was wrong (definitely wouldn't be the first time!) ;-) My 9.1 install was pretty typical. It took 30 - 36MB (out of 48) when I ran it without VM on, depending on which apps were running and which system libraries they accessed... 9.1 with VM took between 16-24MB. But good lord was it slow. Especially with VM. Booting took several minutes and some tasks took ages (opening folders with lots of icons and scrolling through long documents/windows was not fun). I didn't try browsing, because I didn't bother installing the drivers for my wireless card or ethernet card... Turning off VM helped, but not too much. Booting still took a long time. The Finder was responsive enough, but again, certain tasks took a while... I'll stick w/ 8.6 thanks! Not that it's much faster, but it's fast enough. Interesting. I wonder what the heck it does with the extra RAM on my Wallstreet and desktops... Peace, Drew Hey Drew Ok I'm convinced no on OS 9. Two questions though. First where can I downlaod a copy of 8.6. And second I want create applications what programming tools are available for 8.6? TNX Marty __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
on 12/5/02 3:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First where can I downlaod a copy of 8.6 You can't: you'll have to buy it. Try the LEM Swap List or (not as good) eBay. To be more precise, you don't have to buy 8.6 exactly; once you get a copy of 8.5 upgrades to 8.5.1 and 8.6 are available direct from Apple -- but the basic OS is *not*. Figure $20-$25 from the swap list (at least that's what it cost me). Sorry about that. Best, Victoria -- Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; and the end of the world is evidently approaching. -- Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Hey Drew Ok I'm convinced no on OS 9. Two questions though. First where can I downlaod a copy of 8.6. And second I want create applications what programming tools are available for 8.6? TNX Marty Well, Victoria already answered the first. As for the 2nd, there are plenty of programming tools available for 8.6... Most languages can be programmed and compiled on a Mac. Some of the ones I'm familiar with are MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop) free from Apple, MetroWerks CodeWarrior, and REALbasic. MPW is for hard-core programmers, and is a tough one to learn if you are just starting out. (Heck, I'm not exactly a novice, and MPW is still beyond me). The last time I looked, I couldn't find MPW on the ADC website, but you might have better luck - I wasn't looking too hard. ;-) CodeWarrior is basically THE compiler for MacOS. It does C, C++, Java (and more). The easiest to use is probably REALbasic. If you've used VisualBasic on a PC, you'll be in familiar territory. I've built a few home-grown apps using REALbasic, including one I've got listed on VersionTracker ;-) It's also on my website... ;-) There are also Fortran, Pascal, and other compilers available for Mac OS. If it runs on OS 8.0/8.1 or OS 9.x, it will almost certainly run on 8.6 - there are few apps that run on 9.x and don't run on 8.6. You can go here to learn more: http://developer.apple.com/ http://www.metrowerks.com/mw/default.htm http://www.realsoftware.com/ Apple's site is pretty darn helpful and has more information that I'll probably ever read. [Ok, just found MPW: http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/] Peace, Drew -- http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ There are of course many problems connected with life, of which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?' `Why do they die?' `Why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?' -- Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
MPW: http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/ Gary (Heck, I'm not exactly a novice, and MPW is still beyond me). The last time I looked, I couldn't find MPW on the ADC website, but you might have better luck - I wasn't looking too hard. ;-) -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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I know these questions have probably been answered before, Indeed they have. You should search the archive for answers, as these topics have been discussed repeatedly. The OS topic, for instance, was just discussed last week or the week before, at some length. 1. Is the best system to run on a powerbook 3400c 80/200 mhz system 8.6 or 9.2? Although some disagreed, IMNSHO 8.6 is the OS of choice for a 3400c, especially since 9.x takes ~60MB of RAM (You've only got 80, so that will get old fast). 2. Can I just plug in a pcmcia card which offers a usb connection to see if the laptop will give me a usb connection, Yes or will that cause harm to the pcmcia slot? Possibly yes. The 3400c uses the same PCMCIA controller that the cardbus complaint Wallstreets use, making the PC Card slots 32 bits wide (like cardbus). Notably, the card cage is NOT CardBus compliant. Some CardBus cards may have difficulty fitting in the cage, damaging them or your computer. Additionally, your system does not expect to have a CardBus card installed, so you may experience system wakiness like crashing, freezing, non-booting, and general PC Card voodoo. 3. Is it possible to use a Newer Technology pcmcia Firewire2Go card in a 3400 to add firewire? Yes, see above. Although I have heard from a friend that IBM makes a 16-bit PCMCIA (Not CardBus) IEEE 1394 card... I haven't looked into this, as I currently have no use for a FireWire card in my 5300ce, and my Wallstreet is CardBus. By the way, the FireWire2Go card does not provide bus power... Thanks. -- http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ There are of course many problems connected with life, of which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?' `Why do they die?' `Why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?' -- Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 8:01 AM -0700 12/4/2002, Andrew Kershaw wrote: I know these questions have probably been answered before, Indeed they have. You should search the archive for answers, as these topics have been discussed repeatedly. The OS topic, for instance, was just discussed last week or the week before, at some length. 1. Is the best system to run on a powerbook 3400c 80/200 mhz system 8.6 or 9.2? Although some disagreed, IMNSHO 8.6 is the OS of choice for a 3400c, especially since 9.x takes ~60MB of RAM (You've only got 80, so that will get old fast). OS 9.1 doesn't take 60Mb on my PB5300 (64Mb installed), more like 20Mb. I've heard that it uses an amount proportional to available RAM. I know this is true for the Disk Cache but my understanding is that it is for more than that. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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OS 9.1 doesn't take 60Mb on my PB5300 (64Mb installed), more like 20Mb. I've heard that it uses an amount proportional to available RAM. I know this is true for the Disk Cache but my understanding is that it is for more than that. Running 9.0.4 and 9.1 on my Wallstreet w/ 96MB RAM, I lost about 55MB of available memory to the system. Running 9.1 in 192MB RAM took about the same, not adjusting upwards after increasing my installed RAM. Running 9.2.2 in 192MB of RAM takes 60 - 70(!)MB. Hence, OS 9.x takes ~60MB. It is certainly possible to run OS 9 in 80MB of RAM, but in my experience, 9.x loves RAM and gobbles up all it can. With 80MB to chew on, it will inflate to 50-60MB, leaving very little for applications. Turning on VM may decrease the RAM alloted to the system, but on PowerBooks it has tradeoffs. (Slow HD speed, battery consumption, generally poor performance, etc.) Are you satisfied w/ the speed of your 5300? 9.1 is slow on that vintage (I know, I run it on my 2 6100s), and to get it down to 20MB, you must be using VM... I can't imagine what kind of performance hit you are taking A friend w/ a 333MHz iMac ran 9.0.4 in 64MB RAM w/ VM for the longest time, and it was dog slow. Still, I'm impressed that you can get 9.1 down to 20MB of RAM. I'd love to hear what you have installed in the way of system components... OS 9.0's minimum system requirements from http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60498 40 MB of RAM (32 MB of physical RAM, with virtual memory set to at least 40 MB). The minimum amount of RAM will let the computer perform only at minimum speeds. Installing additional RAM will increase the system performance. With virtual memory turned off there may be up to a 10 MB difference in RAM usage. This difference is normal and due to code-mapping. OS 9.1's minimum reqs http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106125 At least 32 MB of RAM with virtual memory set to 64 MB. The minimum amount of RAM will let the computer perform only at minimum speeds. Installing additional RAM will increase the system performance. With virtual memory turned off there may be up to a 10 MB difference in RAM usage. This difference is normal and due to code-mapping. Apple doesn't give a good feel for how much physical RAM is required to run OS 9 when not using VM. But if 40MB is required w/ VM, and it is decreased by 10MB, then about 50MB without VM should be right. Peace, Drew -- http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ There are of course many problems connected with life, of which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?' `Why do they die?' `Why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?' -- Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Still, I'm impressed that you can get 9.1 down to 20MB of RAM. I'd love to hear what you have installed in the way of system components... turn on VM :) 21 meg for system with VM on 34 megs for system with VM off 9.1 on 1400cs/G3/400, 60 real RAM I have tons of extensions installed (90 megs anyway); Office98, Photoshop, many tools for multimedia authoring (even though they don't look super on the 1400cs it's been handy to have Premiere, Sounedit16, etc on their for converting formats), many shareware tools, internet apps, fax software, tons-o-crap about sums it up. The big HD is a very nice upgrade. I don't think it's too hard to get the 9.1 system to close to 20 megs. I think I even have Appleguide and Speaktext/ Speech Recognition and other system RAM hogs enabled; sometimes I have turned those off though on other setups as they take up huge amounts of system RAM and they usually don't do much for you. I might have one or two turned off on my laptop but I know some are active. If I turned all of them off I think I usually run aroun 18 megs or so. I would have expected a battery life difference but it seems about the same- on my original battery, 1hr to 1hr 15 min or so whether VM is on or off. I do have a nice IBM drive in there though which is likely much more efficient than the stock drive was. Brian -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
Hi i think i must be in a different OS to all of you because my 3400c OS Z1-9.1 international english with 64mb real ram and vm set to 128 is currently using 15.7 mb ram for the os when i use my compact flash as ram it is still a quick and the system doe's not feel sluggish the mac is the 200mhz version and i have a larger hdd in than stock but apart than that the apps are the usual IE5.1.6 OE5.0.5 appleworks 6.2 and office 98 with adobe 5.0 and a few photo apps. I did read a while back that the extensions can be mess about with to speed up the Mac but i do not really think that this is needed in most cases . Victoria. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
It takes that on your machine with your particulars. on 12/4/02 8:24 AM, Andrew Kershaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OS 9.1 doesn't take 60Mb on my PB5300 (64Mb installed), more like 20Mb. I've heard that it uses an amount proportional to available RAM. I know this is true for the Disk Cache but my understanding is that it is for more than that. Running 9.0.4 and 9.1 on my Wallstreet w/ 96MB RAM, I lost about 55MB of available memory to the system. Running 9.1 in 192MB RAM took about the same, not adjusting upwards after increasing my installed RAM. Running 9.2.2 in 192MB of RAM takes 60 - 70(!)MB. Hence, OS 9.x takes ~60MB. It is certainly possible to run OS 9 in 80MB of RAM, but in my experience, 9.x loves RAM and gobbles up all it can. With 80MB to chew on, it will inflate to 50-60MB, leaving very little for applications. Turning on VM may decrease the RAM alloted to the system, but on PowerBooks it has tradeoffs. (Slow HD speed, battery consumption, generally poor performance, etc.) Are you satisfied w/ the speed of your 5300? 9.1 is slow on that vintage (I know, I run it on my 2 6100s), and to get it down to 20MB, you must be using VM... I can't imagine what kind of performance hit you are taking A friend w/ a 333MHz iMac ran 9.0.4 in 64MB RAM w/ VM for the longest time, and it was dog slow. Still, I'm impressed that you can get 9.1 down to 20MB of RAM. I'd love to hear what you have installed in the way of system components... OS 9.0's minimum system requirements from http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60498 40 MB of RAM (32 MB of physical RAM, with virtual memory set to at least 40 MB). The minimum amount of RAM will let the computer perform only at minimum speeds. Installing additional RAM will increase the system performance. With virtual memory turned off there may be up to a 10 MB difference in RAM usage. This difference is normal and due to code-mapping. OS 9.1's minimum reqs http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106125 At least 32 MB of RAM with virtual memory set to 64 MB. The minimum amount of RAM will let the computer perform only at minimum speeds. Installing additional RAM will increase the system performance. With virtual memory turned off there may be up to a 10 MB difference in RAM usage. This difference is normal and due to code-mapping. Apple doesn't give a good feel for how much physical RAM is required to run OS 9 when not using VM. But if 40MB is required w/ VM, and it is decreased by 10MB, then about 50MB without VM should be right. Peace, Drew -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
Still, I'm impressed that you can get 9.1 down to 20MB of RAM. I'd love to hear what you have installed in the way of system components... Again, 9 takes a proportion of resident RAM. On my 1400 with the maxed 64 MB, it takes about 17 MB. 8.6 took about 12 MB. On my iBook with 384 MB, it eats about 90 MB. I've never figured out what it does with it. As I've mentioned before, disabling little used extensions -- with the exception of the faxware -- does not significantly change how much RAM 9 devours. 8.6 one could trim down. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
3400c questions
I know these questions have probably been answered before, but until one has a 3400 powerbook... 1. Is the best system to run on a powerbook 3400c 80/200 mhz system 8.6 or 9.2? 2. Can I just plug in a pcmcia card which offers a usb connection to see if the laptop will give me a usb connection, or will that cause harm to the pcmcia slot? 3. Is it possible to use a Newer Technology pcmcia Firewire2Go card in a 3400 to add firewire? Thanks. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400c questions
PB 3400s are not G3s, so they cannot run beyond 9.1. It runs fine on mine w/ 144mb RAM. I'm pretty sure a USB/PCMCIA card will work fine as well as a Firewire2Go card. After I got my 3400 I read a lot of info on whether the slot (top slot) was cardbus compliant. MCE offers a cardbus conversion for $100, but from what I can tell it's not necessary. http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Cardbus/Cardbus.html Gary K wrote: I know these questions have probably been answered before, but until one has a 3400 powerbook... 1. Is the best system to run on a powerbook 3400c 80/200 mhz system 8.6 or 9.2? 2. Can I just plug in a pcmcia card which offers a usb connection to see if the laptop will give me a usb connection, or will that cause harm to the pcmcia slot? 3. Is it possible to use a Newer Technology pcmcia Firewire2Go card in a 3400 to add firewire? Thanks. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
