Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
There may also be a way of getting it via appletalk. Go to the InfoMac archives at http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive.html there is a tool, I probably got it there, that maps Appletalk networks...I think it reports the MAC address. Way back when they routed Appletalk on campus I had to use it to find all the macs and turn 'em off when we restarted the router, so it properly became the seed router. Beyond this, all I can think of is that somehow, this is a weird bug in the router... I've found a few useful applications following your link, they all report the identical MAC address for the hardware. I'm resigned to think that the problem is inherent to the router then. Unfortunately I can't check by connecting the 520 directly to the DSL modem as I would need 8.5 at least for PPPoE. I just archive the problem for the moment, but I guess that following the suggestions I've gone great lengths in cornering the problem. I'll wait for a chance to try out another router. cheers, gianfranco -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
The logic boards are identical between the 520/540 series. Certainly swapping in known-good LB is an excellent test. However, I'd try some easier things first (one thing at a time of course), swapping the HD, the ram, the processor, etc. I also forget the exact problem - did you say Appletalk _does_ work, but that TCP/IP does not? Or am I confused at usual. :-) _If_ that is the case (not the my-being-confused part! :-), it's almost certainly a software issue. OK, I did all the swapping possible according to the suggestions of Dan and Bruce, the problem still persists. (Problem: one out of three 520/540 PBs, same OS 8.1, same settings, does not get an IP address correctly from a D-Link DI-624+ router set to distribute static IP address. It connects however OK to other machines in the WLAN from the chooser) Last steps I've done: - swapped HD, RAM, daughtercard with parts from one of the working PBs (one part at at time and also all the parts together) - replaced the motherboard with another one known to be working (at least a couple of years ago): same symptoms - downgraded to OS 7.5.5 to replicate the original settings that made the original PowerBook work fine some years ago: no luck - checked a million times that no typos exist in the router setup of static DHCP: no typos that I can see - still the faulty machine can be pinged and accessed by another machine in the WLAN and responds ok, but does not respond to a ping from the router - changed the router to operate as dynamic DHCP server: the one PowerBook does NOT get an IP address, all others do. So, either I have 2 slightly faulty motherboards with the same subtle problem (I deem this as higly improbable, considering that one of them has been working correctly for many years before being shelved) or an abscure problem of different nature (software?) hinders the communication between the router and the Ethernet hardware in these cases. Thinking about obscurities, perhaps a problem when entering some carachters of a MAC address in the router configuration iof the web interface, or that the MAC address of the machine is reported corrupted when reading it from TCP/IP control panel - Get Info. Any other way to get this address? 0S 8.1 system profiler does not report it. Other than this, I'm ready to give up on the issue, but would try out any other suggestions, if any! cheers, gianfranco -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 06:17 AM, gf sciacca wrote: Thinking about obscurities, perhaps a problem when entering some carachters of a MAC address in the router configuration iof the web interface, or that the MAC address of the machine is reported corrupted when reading it from TCP/IP control panel - Get Info. Any other way to get this address? 0S 8.1 system profiler does not report it. OTTool, from Neon Software should be able to do this, it also includes a bunch of useful utilities. There may also be a way of getting it via appletalk. Go to the InfoMac archives at http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive.html there is a tool, I probably got it there, that maps Appletalk networks...I think it reports the MAC address. Way back when they routed Appletalk on campus I had to use it to find all the macs and turn 'em off when we restarted the router, so it properly became the seed router. Beyond this, all I can think of is that somehow, this is a weird bug in the router... -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
You have several PB500s IIRC. Have you tried swapping the HD from one of the working 'Books to the naughty, misbehaving 'Book? I did not replace the HD, but for my latter try I erased the HD of the bad book and copied over in SCSI mode the HD content from another working one. Also, I cannot recall the details of your various PBs 500, do all have the same amount of RAM? I currently have 3 complete units: 540c 68040 33 MHz, 36 MB RAM 520c 68LC040 33 MHz, 20 MB RAM the misbehaving is a former 540c (unknown condition, missing parts), that I have equipped with a known good 68LC040 25 MHz daughtercard (it won't boot with the original daughtercard), a 130 MB HD, 32 MB RAM card and the modem, all pulled from a working 520c. Now that I think of it, could it be a mismatch between the 540 motherboard and the 520 daughtercard? It was stated in the past in this list that all parts are interchangable between 520 and 540. Maybe this is not true? I'll try replacing the motherboard with the one from the spare 520 I have and will report. While disassembling, I will try a simple HD substitution as well. By the way, anything else works fine in the 520/540 hybrid... cheers, gianfranco -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
gianfranco wrote: ok, tried all snip You have several PB500s IIRC. Have you tried swapping the HD from one of the working 'Books to the naughty, misbehaving 'Book? Also, I cannot recall the details of your various PBs 500, do all have the same amount of RAM? Dan K . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
If you can connect to other machines on the local LAN, it can *not* be a hardware problem, since Appletalk uses the same hardware as TCP/IP. However, Appletalk works independently of TCP/IP, so it could be a TCP/IP problem. The errors you are getting are due to the 540 not being able to find it's gateway and DNS server(s). Make sure you haven't typoed the MAC address in the static DHCP configuration file. That's one that bites us regularly, since we use DHCP as well, with manually added MAC addresses; it's easy to transpose two numbers, mistake B's for 8's, etc. It REALLY sounds like the DCP server is not giving it what it needs. Try manually setting the IP, DNS, and Gateway address it's supposed to have assigned by the DHCP server. If all of this is correct, try a clean install of 8.1. Maybe your TCP/IP extensions are messed up. ok, tried all of the above and more with no success: - wiped disk and re-installed OS 8: no go. - wiped disk, copied over in Target mode the HD contents of another 540 which connects well: still nothing. - Played with the IP address, re-configured the router, etc. May be the TCP/IP control panel reports the MAC address of the Ethernet controller wrongly?? But: - Set the router to asssign dynamically IP address and set TCP/IP control panel accordingly: All other machines show the assigned IP address and connect fine, this particular one does not get the address. So the problem seems definitely between the router and the PB and not in software. Considering that the connecting cable+transceiver work with other machines, it must then be something in the PB. As you say, Appletalk uses the same hardware as TCP/IP, it might be possible though that the hardware is partially defective? (so that Appletalk goes through but TCP/IP has problems). I'm out of ideas... cheers, gianfranco -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
On Jul 21, 2004, at 4:04 PM, gf sciacca wrote: If you can connect to other machines on the local LAN, it can *not* be a hardware problem, since Appletalk uses the same hardware as TCP/IP. However, Appletalk works independently of TCP/IP, so it could be a TCP/IP problem. The errors you are getting are due to the 540 not being able to find it's gateway and DNS server(s). Make sure you haven't typoed the MAC address in the static DHCP configuration file. That's one that bites us regularly, since we use DHCP as well, with manually added MAC addresses; it's easy to transpose two numbers, mistake B's for 8's, etc. It REALLY sounds like the DCP server is not giving it what it needs. Try manually setting the IP, DNS, and Gateway address it's supposed to have assigned by the DHCP server. If all of this is correct, try a clean install of 8.1. Maybe your TCP/IP extensions are messed up. ok, tried all of the above and more with no success: - wiped disk and re-installed OS 8: no go. - wiped disk, copied over in Target mode the HD contents of another 540 which connects well: still nothing. - Played with the IP address, re-configured the router, etc. May be the TCP/IP control panel reports the MAC address of the Ethernet controller wrongly?? But: - Set the router to asssign dynamically IP address and set TCP/IP control panel accordingly: All other machines show the assigned IP address and connect fine, this particular one does not get the address. So the problem seems definitely between the router and the PB and not in software. Considering that the connecting cable+transceiver work with other machines, it must then be something in the PB. As you say, Appletalk uses the same hardware as TCP/IP, it might be possible though that the hardware is partially defective? (so that Appletalk goes through but TCP/IP has problems). I'm out of ideas... Have you tried it on a different port on the router? Clutching at straws here... I'm at the 'shake a rattle and some chicken feathers at it' stage myself. I don't know all the down and dirty hardware details of this particular ethernet adapter, but I'm hard pressed to see the difference between appletalk and TCP/IP down on that low hardware level... You're right, citing Holmes, 'after all the possible has been eliminated, only the impossible remains.' It's got to be the mobo and some demonically subtle hardware failure. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
On Jul 19, 2004, at 4:17 PM, gf sciacca wrote: One additional detail: when trying to connect to a remote host or website using their TCP/IP address (rather than the hostname or url), it keeps trying for a while, then reports that the connection was refused by the remote host. If using the hostname or url, it says that cannot find a host with that name, no DNS entry, etc. If you can connect to other machines on the local LAN, it can *not* be a hardware problem, since Appletalk uses the same hardware as TCP/IP. However, Appletalk works independently of TCP/IP, so it could be a TCP/IP problem. The errors you are getting are due to the 540 not being able to find it's gateway and DNS server(s). Make sure you haven't typoed the MAC address in the static DHCP configuration file. That's one that bites us regularly, since we use DHCP as well, with manually added MAC addresses; it's easy to transpose two numbers, mistake B's for 8's, etc. It REALLY sounds like the DCP server is not giving it what it needs. Try manually setting the IP, DNS, and Gateway address it's supposed to have assigned by the DHCP server. If all of this is correct, try a clean install of 8.1. Maybe your TCP/IP extensions are messed up. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pha macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
I first thought the Ethernet port on the 520 would be bust, but local connectivity seems to indicate otherwise. Am I missing anything obvious??? How to proceed to troubleshoot this one?? If you're using static IP addresses it has to either be corrupted TCP/IP prefs on the failing machine *or* the gateway address and/or the network mask are set wrong. ISTR that they have to be set manually in 8.1; they won't get the addresses from the DHCP server. I'd wager on the latter, I'd bet, if you're using static addresses. If it's the latter, just trash the prefs file and set it up again. I've had that happen on occasion. I've tried over and over, checked the manual settings, trashed the TCP/IP prefs, done the manual settings again, I've also tried to trash TCP/IP prefs and the MacTCP DNR pane and replace them with copies from another machine that connects just fine. No success. I add a recap of the symptoms in the hope that someone might spot some potential cause. I'm back thinking of a possible hardware fault. - WLAN set with static IP address for each machine - 520 with OS 8.1 connects fine to other machines in the WLAN - 520 won't connect to remote hosts and websites (can't resolve names, made me think that it was problem of communication with the router which is also set as Name Server) - tried also to connect with NiftyTelnet SSH to a remote host using the remote host IP address and it won't connect either. Same trying to load websites using their IP address rather tnah the URL. - other similar machines with identical settings connect ok. anything else to try short of replacing the mobo? cheers, gianfranco -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
One additional detail: when trying to connect to a remote host or website using their TCP/IP address (rather than the hostname or url), it keeps trying for a while, then reports that the connection was refused by the remote host. If using the hostname or url, it says that cannot find a host with that name, no DNS entry, etc. cheers, gianfranco -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 520 / 540 networking enigma
On Friday, July 16, 2004, at 06:53 PM, gf sciacca wrote: This is one for the networking experts: I first thought the Ethernet port on the 520 would be bust, but local connectivity seems to indicate otherwise. Am I missing anything obvious??? How to proceed to troubleshoot this one?? If you're using static IP addresses it has to either be corrupted TCP/IP prefs on the failing machine *or* the gateway address and/or the network mask are set wrong. ISTR that they have to be set manually in 8.1; they won't get the addresses from the DHCP server. I'd wager on the latter, I'd bet, if you're using static addresses. If it's the latter, just trash the prefs file and set it up again. I've had that happen on occasion. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
520 / 540 networking enigma
This is one for the networking experts: I'm testing a few 520 / 540 powerbooks for connectivity to my WLAN. I have a D-link router set up to distribute a static IP address to each machine connecting. All but one of the 520/540 books connect to Ethernet fine. They all run OS 8.1 and I have configured them exactly the same way (except for the TCP/IP address) and I also use the same cable+transceiver to connect each of them to the router. The faulty one seems not to get the router to resolve the domains to connect to the Ethernet. Netscape reports The server does not have a DNS entry Otherwise, WLAN connectivuty seems ok: the same book connects fine to another PB G4 under Panther and OS 9.2 accessing the WLAN through Airport. Ping the 520 from G4 OS X Terminal is OK, but ping from the router setup pages (running on safai on the same G4) reports Time-out. I first thought the Ethernet port on the 520 would be bust, but local connectivity seems to indicate otherwise. Am I missing anything obvious??? How to proceed to troubleshoot this one?? thanks for any ideas! cheeers, gianfranco -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
