Re: 5300's

[Dan K]

nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked:
>I have a 5300ce on the way from ebay that I got for a great price..
>But my question is this.. Is there a noticeable difference between the
>100mhz and 117mhz boards?
>Can I upgrade to an active matrix screen without a mobo swap?
> And are there any other real advantages to upgrading a 117mhz board?
I haven't a clue if it's _really_ worthwhile having 117mHz over 100Mhz, 
but on the theory that _every_ speedbump is worthwhile, I've bumped all 
my several 5300s to 117mHz. Easy-peasy, and amazingly they all still work.

Wheee!

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5300's

[nathan]

Listers,

I have a 5300ce on the way from ebay that I got for a great price..
But my question is this.. Is there a noticeable difference between the
100mhz and 117mhz boards? Can I upgrade to an active matrix screen without a
mobo swap? And are there any other real advantages to upgrading a 117mhz
board?

TIA
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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Robert Eye]

Card compatability has to do with making a boot disk from the card, as opposed to 
using it for Virtual Memory (the card is used more as a solid-state HD than RAM).  I 
don't recall that anyone ever posted a problem with any brand of Compact Flash card 
for VM, but I and others posted some problems with certain brands for using as boot 
disks on 5300's.

You can also get a large enough card to use part of it as VM and part of it for 
browser cache.

Regards,

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-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Powerbook 5300 's
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:03:19 -0500

> 3 can I use a compact flash card in a pcmcia card as virtual ram for the
> system

It generally works, although there are reports of incompatibilities with certain flash 
memory cards, and it's really not that much faster than virtual memory, anyway. The 
bottleneck becomes the 16-bit PC Card bus
instead of the hard drive. What it does do is allow you to save power because the hard 
drive isn't being written to constantly for virtual memory.



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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[John Cate]

> 3 can I use a compact flash card in a pcmcia card as virtual ram for the
> system

It generally works, although there are reports of incompatibilities with
certain flash memory cards, and it's really not that much faster than
virtual memory, anyway. The bottleneck becomes the 16-bit PC Card bus
instead of the hard drive. What it does do is allow you to save power
because the hard drive isn't being written to constantly for virtual memory.

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2003-03-04 19:20, "Andrew Kershaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Hey, they're cute. And, as far as I know, the only laptop to set a lap on
>> fire. :-D
> 
> Ha ha ha.
> 
> But really...  THIS IS NOT TRUE!

Indeed. The real lap-burner was the Wallstreet series of PowerBooks. And
more recently, the 12" PowerBook (or so I am told, haven't ordered mine,
yet).

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Andrew Kershaw]

>
>  While on the subject...was anything ever made to plug into the expansion
>bay where the Floppy drive goes?
>
>Other than the floppy, that is.

Yes.

There were magneto-optical drives, expansion bay hard drives, power 
supplies, and zip drives.  There were probably other devices too, but 
I never bothered to learn more.  An MO drive would be pretty neat. 
I've only ever seen 1 on eBay and the seller wanted $150 for it!

The bay will take any 3.5"-type drive that will fit in the 3400 (by 
3.5" I mean only as wide as the floppy module, not as wide as the 
CD-ROM module!).  About the only substantial differences between the 
expansion bay in the 5300 and the 3400 is that the 5300 will only 
take devices of the smaller variety, and the 5300 does not support 
DMA (so accelerated hard drives from VST that use direct memory 
access in the 3400 will not use DMA in the 5300 - they will work the 
same otherwise).

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Bruce Johnson]

While on the subject...was anything ever made to plug into the expansion
bay where the Floppy drive goes?

Other than the floppy, that is.

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Symbol Representative]

 
> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 09:13:52 -0500
> Subject: Powerbook 5300 's
> From: John Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 2 I will need a power supply for the computer- or a good source for one. I
> haven't seen any on ebay in the last couple of days, or on the mac swap list

Vary your searches in eBay a bit and you'll find listings like the following:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403730321&category=25436

Also, if you are willing to spend more you can buy a BTI model that is very compact.  
Try Outpost.com, Amazon, plenty of places should have it.

> 3 can I use a compact flash card in a pcmcia card as virtual ram for the
> system

Yes, but it won't be much faster than the hard drive.  Would be much much better to 
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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Donn Haven Lathrop]

>>If you are going to harp on the 5300, at least get it right.<<

I really don't think I'm harping when I say that I have two of them.

Just at a BTW the Focus/Lapis card in the latest 5300 works just
fine--both ethernet & video.  It's running the LCD and another monitor
for my son at the moment.  Really handy when you're checking out web
pages on a browser on one monitor, with the html editor on the other
monitor.

You really have to wonder what the Dell owner was smoking when he got
his 2nd degree burns...

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[victoria brandon]

on 3/4/03 6:13 AM, John Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 1 can anybody recommend a good ethernet card or have one for sale

I got a Global Village combined ethernet-modem card on eBay (NOS) for
something like $12 -- both parts work immaculately on a 5300c.  But *do*
follow Drew's advice and put a WTB on the Swap List.

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Andrew Kershaw]

>Hey, they're cute. And, as far as I know, the only laptop to set a lap
>on fire. :-D

Ha ha ha.

But really...  THIS IS NOT TRUE!  let me dispel this myth right now.

The 5300 did not burn anyone's lap (there's a Dell, though, that 
recently got a lot of coverage for causing 2nd degree burns on a 
man's genitals).

Read this article:  

Two original Sony-made Lithium Ion batteries for the 5300 melted, 
burst, and one caught fire.  This happened on the Apple campus and 
was caught by Apple.  This never happened to consumers!  All those 
PowerBooks & batteries were recalled (only about 1000 had been 
shipped, and only about 100 were actually in customers' possession). 
NiMH batteries were substituted across the line.

If you are going to harp on the 5300, at least get it right.

The 5300 has had some PR disasters (notably this battery issue as it 
occurred right as the machine was being released).  The ones that 
affect the end user should not cause bodily injury, though.  They 
consist of case plastics breaking, hinges failing, the power 
connector disconnecting from the logic board, a flaw that caused 
issues with crashing while in sleep, failure to sleep, and crashing 
on wake from sleep, a motherboard flaw that caused crashes with 
certain system 7.5 versions, and a motherboard flaw that causes 
startup times on some machines to be about 2x longer when running off 
AC power as opposed to battery power.

All these issues were dealt with in a class action lawsuit that 
forced Apple to provide service and support for 7 years since the 
date of last production.  Hence, the REA program exists.

The performance of the 5300 seemed poor because of the perceived 
speed difference between running 68k software on the 68k and 68k 
software emulated on the PPC.  When the 5300 was released, it was 
often slower than it's 68k brethren.  Additionally, it has a slow bus 
and no cache, which further serve to hamper the speed of the 100MHz 
603e.

If you only PPC native software on the 5300, it's quite capable.  All 
the workmanship defects can be repaired free of charge by Apple.  I 
understand why it is called a "Road Apple" by some, but it is still 
quite capable.  If kept in good shape, it can be a strong, steady, 
and crash-free workhorse!  Heh, mine only crashes occasionally when 
waking from sleep... ;-)

Seriously, don't be a "hater!" ;-)

Honestly, though, my Wallstreet is much hotter than my 5300.

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Donn Haven Lathrop]

>>It seems everyone is getting a 5300.<<

Hey, they're cute.  And, as far as I know, the only laptop to set a lap
on fire.  :-D

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Re: Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[Andrew Kershaw]

>1 can anybody recommend a good ethernet card or have one for sale
>2 I will need a power supply for the computer- or a good source for one. I
>haven't seen any on ebay in the last couple of days, or on the mac swap list
>3 can I use a compact flash card in a pcmcia card as virtual ram for the
>system
>Thanks in advance
>John

1) The Focus/Lapis internal combination ethernet/video card is pretty 
handy.  The video has never worked for me (causes the 5300 to crash). 
Actually, these cards can be pretty buggy (mine is), but the ethernet 
usually works just fine.  Video is supposed to work flawlessly on 
7.5.x, but it got borked after 7.6 I think.  Otherwise, go with the 
3com 589 series PC card, as it's dirt cheap.  For wireless, go with 
the Orinoco WaveLAN.  If they ever get their drivers working with the 
5300, it will be a pretty slick solution (the older drivers DO work 
with the 5300, but the new fancy interface ones don't).

- My own question: Has anyone gotten the WaveLAN version 7.x drivers 
to work on a 5300 or 1400?  I downloaded the 7.2 version from 
 which was supposed to fix the bug associated with 
the 1400 & 5300, but the software still doesn't recognize my card (an 
old school original Lucent brand WaveLAN).

2) I dunno.  Hold out on the swap list or eBay, that's probably your 
best bet.  Put up a "Want to Buy (WTB)" on the swap list and I'm sure 
you'll get some responses.

3) Yes.

The 5300, if you can live with some quirks, is a FANTASTIC laptop. 
Some might call it a road apple, but I love both of mine! :-)

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Powerbook 5300 ????'s

[John Ryan]

It seems everyone is getting a 5300.
I have a couple of questions
1 can anybody recommend a good ethernet card or have one for sale
2 I will need a power supply for the computer- or a good source for one. I
haven't seen any on ebay in the last couple of days, or on the mac swap list
3 can I use a compact flash card in a pcmcia card as virtual ram for the
system
Thanks in advance
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Re: 5300'S

[Malcolm Cornelius]

on 05/10/02 03:42, Fabian Fang at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>> I have just gotten a PowerBook 5300CS. I want to know about the
>>> battery issue (everymac.com says there was one),
>> 
>> IIRC a couple of pre-productions machines fitted with a li-on battery
>> overheated.
>> 
>> Not an issue on production machines AFAIK.
> 
> Not true.  PowerBook 5300's catching fire was a wide=spread problem with
> "production machines," and a serious issue, necessitating the Apple REA
> program, under which some folks to this day are still sending their units in
> for retro-fitting.

Not the case, the REA was to cover other specific problems, plastics, screen
cables, motherboard power socket.

And the REA is over.

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Re: 5300'S

[Andrew Kershaw]

> Apple extended the normal 1year warranty to a 7 year warranty to 
boost
> confidence in the mothership.

Right enough about the Li-Ion battery issue.  IIRC, the batteries were 
made by Sony, so we should all be blaming them, eh?

Also IIRC, Apple didn't create the 5300 REA program and 7 year 
warranty out of the kindness of their own hearts, nor for good PR.

Apple was sued in a class action and was forced by the state of 
California to provide support on the product for 7 years.

This is not the only such occurance - the 5xxx/6xxx series also had 
problems and are subject to a recall to get those issues fixed.  I'm 
not sure, but I'd bet that obligation has since expired as well.

There are a handful of other cases of Apple being forced to provide 
support, repairs, or replacements due to legal action taken by the end 
user community.

Do not mistake the PowerBook 5300/190 series' 7 year extended warranty 
as an example of the mothership being good to its customers.

Please, correct me if I am incorrect.

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Re: 5300'S

[DavidWedge]

Folks, when you publish info like this, please back any web-myth up with some 
real data.

There were TWO incidents in Apple's office, of TWO of Apple's units of the 
5300's in which 2 separate 5300 series machines (pre-production units) caught 
fire.   The ENTIRE problem was related to an issue with Lion batteries, NOT 
to the machines themselves. THe machines did NOT catch fire-the batteries 
did. For this reason the 5300 did not shipped with Lion batteries.  This was 
the SOLE reason for the early recall on the 5300 series..

There have never been any incidents of production machine catching fire that 
have been published to date, as far as I've been able to find. 

The REA problem was separate. It involved a casing problem on the 5300, due 
to a weakness in the LCD casing, and the power connector, which was poorly 
designed by the subcontractor. The AC power connector tended to fail 
prematurely, due to a weak plastic frame. 

Apple extended the normal 1year warranty to a 7 year warranty to boost 
confidence in the mothership. Apparently it didn't go over well enough, but 
Cupertino has been more than good in making right on problematic machines. 
Yes many machines were problematic, but has ANY other computer manufacturer 
ever made a seven year warranty on ANY laptop??  food for thought...

David

In a message dated 10/4/02 9:41:37 PM, you wrote:

>>IIRC a couple of pre-productions machines fitted with a li-on battery
>>overheated.
>>Not an issue on production machines AFAIK.
>
>Not true.  PowerBook 5300's catching fire was a wide=spread problem with 
"production
>machines," and a serious issue, necessitating the Apple REA program, under 
which
>some folks to this day are still sending their units in for retro-fitting. 
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Re: 5300'S

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On Friday, Oct 04, 2002, at 05:05PM, Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, the 
PowerBook Fanatic, wrote:

>>I have just gotten a PowerBook 5300CS. I want to know about the
>> battery issue (everymac.com says there was one),
>
>IIRC a couple of pre-productions machines fitted with a li-on battery
>overheated.
>
>Not an issue on production machines AFAIK.

Not true.  PowerBook 5300's catching fire was a wide=spread problem with "production 
machines," and a serious issue, necessitating the Apple REA program, under which some 
folks to this day are still sending their units in for retro-fitting. 

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Re: 5300 REA x3 (repair on PB 5300's)

[DavidWedge]

As this is an ongoing issue, I'll make an offer here..

For anyone needing the 5300 connector repair done, I'll do these repairs for 
a flat fee of $50, which covers 24hr turn around of your Powerbook.. It 
involves PCB level work, and is guaranteed..

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In a message dated 9/27/01 9:08:23 PM, you wrote:


>I'm also interested in hearing about strategies for fixing the problem 
>with the book (the classic power-connector-comes-loose syndrome).  I'm 
>thinking "cost effectiveness" here.  
>

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