Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[k]

Just a thought,

If you mostly go into OS9 for iTunes, there is an iTunes install out
there for 8.6:). I don't remember exactly where I got it (Something
like, "The Worm In The Apple"),  however 8.6 is the latest OS I
have, and I love it!
I don't know how updated it is, but it's the only version of iTunes
I've ever used and i LOVE it :D.
Regards,

Eagan Rackle:
´
it's not an installer it's a patch for the installer or the installed
program  and it works great, (even though I find iTunes clumsy and
messy, nothing yet can bet the simple playlist function in SoundApp,
it seems to match the music so that similair blends into similair
when you choose randome and dont give it too much memory, of course
this is all imagination, not so great lookin but very fast and can
play and convert (not to mp3 though) loads of fileformats, midi and
SD2 and also toastimages.But of course it has no screeneffects.)
http://www.wormintheapple.gr/downloads/index.html

kenta

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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Eagan Rackley]

Just a thought,

If you mostly go into OS9 for iTunes, there is an iTunes install out 
there for 8.6:). I don't remember exactly where I got it (Something 
like, "The Worm In The Apple"),  however 8.6 is the latest OS I have, 
and I love it!

I don't know how updated it is, but it's the only version of iTunes I've 
ever used and i LOVE it :D.

Regards,

Eagan Rackle:



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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Eric L. Strobel]

on 05/28/03 8:55 AM, David T. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> BUT, I use 8.6 a lot more often because it is compatable
> with the USB card support software so I can hook up my USB CDRW and
> printers.

AH HA!  This is the thing that was tickling the back of my brain re: why one
might prefer 8.6+upgraded components to 9.x.  Now, I recall reading this
somewhere in preparation for getting a USB card for my 3400, but is it true,
or 'urban legend'.  If so, then it's 8.6 forever for me, as I'm just about
to pick up a cheap QuickCam VC to modify for use on my telescope...

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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[David T.]

And, oh yes, what about
running with or without virtual memory?
Bill, I have a 240mhz 3400c w/144MB of RAM also.  I'm running a 32 gig HD 
with three partitions so I'm fortunant enough to have both 8.6 and 9.1 
installed on two of the three partitions.  I can tell you now, that I can't 
tell a difference in speed from what I do (Mosty web surfing and word 
processing :p )  BUT, I use 8.6 a lot more often because it is compatable 
with the USB card support software so I can hook up my USB CDRW and 
printers.  9.1 is nice when I'm in the mood to listen to music because 
iTunes runs terrific on this machine and I love the way iTunes operates.  I 
rarely ever use 9.1 unless software calls for it or if I want to play around 
with iTunes.  9.1 will use up a lot more RAM over 8.6 with or w/o VM and 
honestly, I can't tell a difference with VM on or off in speed either.

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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Bill Hatchell]

On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 02:47  PM, Eric Strobel wrote:

Bioweapons?  HA!  I laugh at them!!  *I've* cleaned the coffee urns
at work
Now, Eric, you've not only added to my erudition about VM (for which I 
am heartily appreciative) but you've also told me about the "sweet 
spot" the 3400c has for OS8.6!

Seriously, thanks to you and all the other input I've received re the 
best OS to run on a 3400 as well as re VM!

Bill

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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Eric Strobel]

on 5/27/03 4:10 PM, Bill Hatchell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> on 5/27/03 1:18 PM, Illovox Media at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> 9.1 w/o vm turned on is fast and best.  9.0 is a dog.  many bugs.
> Why turn VM off?  There seems to be some controversy re benefits of VM.
> 

With VM off, the OS loads all the app's executable code at once, which makes
application launch take longer.  This is done to ensure that there is enough
room remaining in RAM to support running the app.

With VM (or RAM Doubler) on, the OS only loads those portions of the
executable code that are immediately needed to support getting the app to
its initial running state.  This shortens the initial launch time because
the OS will page in additional code as needed.  If you've got an app with
LOTS of menu commands all having their own swatches of code, this should
result in a much slimmer RAM profile and a much faster load time.  One
'gotcha' is that the paging in of not-yet-loaded code can slow the app down
by varying degrees *as you're using it*.  The other 'gotcha', in the mobile
computing context, is that VM paging causes the HD to spin up.

My experience...  On battery, VM = off (although you could use RAM Doubler
set to the 1.0x setting that enables the faster app loading and costs
completely negligible amount of time).  On AC power, VM = RAM size + 1 MB.
This gives the faster app loading and you essentially never will page an
entire app out to disk (i.e., when your RAM would be filling up anyway, you
still run out of VM, although theoretically you could launch just one more
really tiny app...).  I have never encountered a case where I could notice
any delay due to the OS paging in not-yet-loaded code.

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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Illovox Media]

on 5/27/03 1:10 PM, Bill Hatchell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> on 5/27/03 1:18 PM, Illovox Media at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> 9.1 w/o vm turned on is fast and best.  9.0 is a dog.  many bugs.
> Why turn VM off?  There seems to be some controversy re benefits of VM.
> 
> Bill
> 

I find it conflicts less with my av programs and is faster


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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Bill Hatchell]

on 5/27/03 1:18 PM, Illovox Media at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 9.1 w/o vm turned on is fast and best.  9.0 is a dog.  many bugs.
Why turn VM off?  There seems to be some controversy re benefits of VM.

Bill


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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Illovox Media]

on 5/27/03 12:52 PM, A.M.R. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> What about the 180MHz 3400c with 144MB of RAM? Would that be able to cope
> with 9.1?
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[A.M.R.]

What about the 180MHz 3400c with 144MB of RAM? Would that be able to cope
with 9.1?




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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Illovox Media]

on 5/27/03 5:58 AM, Bill Hatchell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just came by a great old 3400c running OS9.0.  The machine is relatively
> fast at 240 MHz and has a full shot of RAM installed at 144 MB.  I don't
> have anything prior to OS9 to run and would really like to try OS8.6 in
> it but alas cannot.  In lieu of that, is OS9.0 about the optimum MacOS to
> run on a machine of this vintage?  I'm leary of upgrading to OS9.1 for
> fear it will begin to bog down the otherwise snappy performance.  All you
> OS gurus out there on the list, please give me your best shot as to the
> most optimum MacOS to run on this little baby.  And, oh yes, what about
> running with or without virtual memory?  Thanks mucho!
> 
> Bill
> 

9.1 w/o vm turned on is fast and best.  9.0 is a dog.  many bugs.


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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[David]

I'm using 9.1 with 64MB RAM on my 3400c/240. Everything is fairly smooth.

David


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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Eric Strobel]

on 5/27/03 2:04 PM, k at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> 
>> 
>> I have a 3400/200/144 and had OS 9 installed and went back to 8.6, that's
>> my preference.
>> 
>> Roger
> 
> My frien runs 8.6 - I installed not the original PB disk, but from my
> own, and it is very smooth and fast  (perhaps90?mb ram)

Don't forget, I seem to recall that the original poster had mentioned not
having the 8.5/8.6 installer(s) available.  That indicated to me that the
debate was staying with the already existing 9.0 or updating to either 9.0.4
or 9.1.  Personally, I've not yet tried anything but 8.6 on my 3400/180s, as
I believe this is likely the OS 'sweet spot', especially if one keeps things
like CarbonLib, MRJ, and Quicktime updated.

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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[k]

I have a 3400/200/144 and had OS 9 installed and went back to 8.6, that's
my preference.
Roger
My frien runs 8.6 - I installed not the original PB disk, but from my 
own, and it is very smooth and fast  (perhaps90?mb ram)
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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Roger Volk]

Bill Hatchell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just came by a great old 3400c running OS9.0.  The machine is relatively
> fast at 240 MHz and has a full shot of RAM installed at 144 MB. Clip
>
> Bill
>
> Bill,

I have a 3400/200/144 and had OS 9 installed and went back to 8.6, that's
my preference.

Roger



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Re: Best MacOS for 3400c/240/144

[Dan Scanlan]

I have no problem running 9.1 on a 3400c with 80 megs ram. I don't 
use virtual memory because I mostly run ProTools, an audio recording 
and editing program that won't run under vm.

Dan

Just came by a great old 3400c running OS9.0.  The machine is relatively
fast at 240 MHz and has a full shot of RAM installed at 144 MB.  I don't
have anything prior to OS9 to run and would really like to try OS8.6 in
it but alas cannot.  In lieu of that, is OS9.0 about the optimum MacOS to
run on a machine of this vintage?  I'm leary of upgrading to OS9.1 for
fear it will begin to bog down the otherwise snappy performance.  All you
OS gurus out there on the list, please give me your best shot as to the
most optimum MacOS to run on this little baby.  And, oh yes, what about
running with or without virtual memory?  Thanks mucho!
Bill

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